[00:29] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: i wonder what this is going to do to qt ..
[00:30] <cyberanger> same here
[00:30] <chibihogoshino> community maybe
[00:30] <chibihogoshino> its open source so that cant really change
[00:30] <vychune> o/
[00:31] <chibihogoshino> eh vychune
[00:31] <vychune> what were you guys talking about?
[00:32] <chibihogoshino> nokia and ms
[00:32] <cyberanger> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/oh-nokia-we-loved-you-so :-(
[00:35] <vychune> lol
[00:35] <vychune> thats messed up
[00:36] <chibihogoshino> the ceo of nokia was working at ms
[00:36] <chibihogoshino> i think he is the ceo
[00:38] <vychune> smh]
[00:38] <vychune> Money chanes people
[00:39] <chibihogoshino> i think it was planed
[00:42] <cyberanger> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20110116
[00:43] <cyberanger> explaining the css-decryption source code to the mpaa
[00:46] <vychune> hmm
[00:47] <vychune> lol
[00:50] <cyberanger> there's just something in that that appeals to me
[00:58] <vychune> lol
[00:59] <cyberanger> I don't think it's the thumb or wrist
[01:00] <cyberanger> of course I've been reading source code all day it seems, but I think it's one of the four fingers, just which one
[01:00] <vychune> ok stop it
[01:00] <cyberanger> ;-)
[01:03] <vychune> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPUgZlN6cdA&feature=fvw
[01:39] <chibihogoshino> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152242
[01:40] <wrst> nice chibihogoshino
[01:40] <wrst> 1TB laptop!
[01:40] <chibihogoshino> yepp
[01:40] <chibihogoshino> it would be nice
[01:41] <chibihogoshino> i could stick two in here
[01:41] <chibihogoshino> i would have 5 min of battery too
[01:41] <cyberanger> unfortunately the price hasn't dropped
[01:42] <cyberanger> I looked at it back in December, portable ubuntu mirror (still my current plan too)
[01:43] <chibihogoshino> hard drives ?
[01:45] <cyberanger> yeah, a 2.5' 1tb hdd drive
[01:45] <cyberanger> an atheros wifi card
[01:45] <cyberanger> and a usb ethernet nic
[01:46] <cyberanger> it'd be a nice upgrade for my laptop
[01:46] <cyberanger> portable router-server combo
[01:47] <cyberanger> great for an installfest
[01:48] <cyberanger> right now I'm only mirroring hardy and lucid
[01:48] <cyberanger> and that's 120GB right there
[01:49] <cyberanger> the full mirror is 320GB or so
[01:49] <cyberanger> and expanding
[01:49] <chibihogoshino> damn
[01:50] <cyberanger> the cd's are fairly consistant at 64GB
[01:51] <cyberanger> so  yeah, it'd be the perfect #swissknife-router testing kit
[01:51] <cyberanger> and when I'm done, host an nstallfest of it at a linux conf
[02:07] <chibihogoshino> that would be cool
[02:08] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: have you heard about UBB?
[02:08] <chibihogoshino> no
[02:08] <cyberanger> User Based Billing?
[02:08] <chibihogoshino> for who
[02:08] <cyberanger> http://www.security-camera-warehouse.com/blog/1300/from-the-guys-behind-canadiandownload-com-dont-stop-now
[02:09] <cyberanger> well, for everyon in Canada, getting the short end of the stick by their isp
[02:09] <cyberanger> and their isp's isp
[02:10] <cyberanger> one more reason I like this, is if stopping UBB fails, there's at least a backup mechnisim for getting around the caps
[02:10] <chibihogoshino> ahh. reading subtitles and articles is hard
[02:10] <cyberanger> basically, it's a license to get your wallet screwed
[02:11] <chibihogoshino> thats not good
[02:11] <cyberanger> well, think of if you just had a mirror on your laptop, and rsync'd the changes between other mirrors
[02:12] <cyberanger> to circumvent the cap
[02:12] <cyberanger> which is what'd have to happen
[02:12] <cyberanger> which is another reason large storage drives are good
[02:13] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[02:13] <chibihogoshino> so we couldnt download allot ?
[02:14] <cyberanger> (canada is an issue in pricing, africa and australia is one of technology)
[02:14] <cyberanger> 25GB a month
[02:14] <chibihogoshino> wow .. thats nothing
[02:14] <cyberanger> and after that, 2 dollars a GB (that's 1.80 Dollars of pure profit for the major isp who's collecting it)
[02:15] <chibihogoshino> nice
[02:15] <cyberanger> some areas that's bigger or smaller, I think that's avg.
[02:15] <cyberanger> no, not nice, a ripoff
[02:15] <chibihogoshino> everyone should just cancel their service and that would let them know how they feel
[02:16] <cyberanger> let's cancel the internet :-( not really an option
[02:17] <cyberanger> also, keep in mind some background reasons here
[02:17] <cyberanger> if we can's stream netflix and hulu, we're gonna pay charter for cbs and hbo
[02:17] <cyberanger> if we can't listen to pandora, we listen to the radio
[02:18] <cyberanger> it's not 1.80 dollars per gig they're trying to protect
[02:18] <cyberanger> it's their even more lucritave cable agreements
[02:18] <cyberanger> and advertising revenue
[02:22] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[02:23] <cyberanger> and at least it's easier to boycott the providers than boycotting china
[02:23] <cyberanger> "they even make the free tibet stickers"
[02:28] <chibihogoshino> i had one of those
[02:35] <chibihogoshino> the sites that need open bandwidth should all get together and say fuck you and start their own service
[02:35]  * cyberanger is working on just that
[02:36] <vychune> HAHAHAH
[02:36] <cyberanger> while I'm on it, I'm giving the MPAA the finger too http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20110116
[02:36] <chibihogoshino> haha,  vychune ?
[02:37] <vychune> yeah that was funny to me
[02:37] <chibihogoshino> i like how sony is goin after people for cracking the ps3 ..
[02:37] <chibihogoshino> they said who ever posts the key is going to get sued and the ceo re tweeted it
[02:39] <cyberanger> ouch
[02:39]  * cyberanger is glad for anonmyous methods
[02:39] <cyberanger> pastebin it from microsoft's wifi, watch hilarity insue
[02:39] <vychune> ikr
[02:40]  * cyberanger assumes that's "I know, really"
[02:41] <vychune> i know right
[02:41] <chibihogoshino> こにちわ
[02:42] <chibihogoshino> what does that look like ?
[02:42] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: my UTF-8 support letting my down again
[02:42] <vychune> japanese
[02:42] <cyberanger> hey linuxman410
[02:42] <vychune> o/
[02:42] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: text irc ?
[02:43] <linuxman410> no wander you can not get people to try ubuntu you go into ubuntu channel and get a bunch of smart buts
[02:43] <chibihogoshino> linuxman410: when you get asked the same thing 50 times a day it gets old
[02:44] <linuxman410> i ask it one time
[02:44] <chibihogoshino> you have a problem ?
[02:45] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: huh
[02:45] <linuxman410> has anyone installed linux on NetTop eBox-4300 that is what i ask and got a bunch of smart alliact answers
[02:46] <vychune> lol
[02:46] <chibihogoshino> then ask it again
[02:46] <cyberanger> linuxman410: there is points for trying first, but yeah lousy
[02:46] <cyberanger> that's why I'd like our loco to offer help too
[02:46] <cyberanger> since that mess is hard to fight
[02:47] <linuxman410> i told smarty pants by and i did not need him
[02:47] <chibihogoshino> Linux has also been adopted by some nettop manufacturers as it costs little to no money to install and supports a wide range of CPU architectures. Google's Android Linux distribution is another option. Although Google's Android was originally announced for smartphones, it has also taken a seat in the nettop market.
[02:48] <chibihogoshino> it seams like something a forum would be better asked in
[02:50] <linuxman410> well at least the people of linuxmint treat you like a person and so do the ones at crunchbang
[02:51] <chibihogoshino> did you say stop being a dick ?
[02:51] <vychune> hmm
[02:52] <vychune> why would he say that lol
[02:53] <cyberanger> vychune: sometimes it works :-(
[02:53] <cyberanger> linuxman410: yeah, and the loco's too
[02:54] <chibihogoshino> vychune: people were not being so nice ...
[02:54] <cyberanger> #ubuntu seems to be a trolling target now, unfortunately
[02:54] <vychune> oooooooh
[02:54] <cyberanger> linuxman410: what about here?
[02:54] <cyberanger> ;-)
[02:55] <linuxman410> this is the only ubuntu room where i get treated like a person
[02:55] <chibihogoshino> try #anime or #linuxoutlaws
[02:55] <vychune> lol
[02:56] <chibihogoshino> what
[02:56] <vychune> that akward moment we had in #anime
[02:56] <chibihogoshino> what one ?
[02:57] <vychune> the first one
[02:57] <chibihogoshino> sorry, i forget what it was about
[02:57] <chibihogoshino> or i cant remember right now
[02:57] <cyberanger> wait, there was more than one awkard moment, usually one's enought
[02:58] <vychune> yeah whats the other one?
[02:58] <chibihogoshino> was it awkward tho ?
[02:58] <linuxman410> back in a minute going down stairs
[02:58] <vychune> you said something, then i was "um hey"
[02:58] <chibihogoshino> what did we talk about ? or was it even we ?
[02:59] <chibihogoshino> animes ?
[02:59] <vychune> then you were like "oh uh hey vychune"
[02:59] <vychune> hold on
[03:00] <vychune> chibihogoshino> um
 uh
 eh
 hey fancy meeting you here
[03:02] <chibihogoshino> oh the person before than said they like bleach
[03:02] <chibihogoshino> i was all like .. uhhhh yeah
[03:02] <chibihogoshino> and they rejected everything i suggested they watch
[03:03] <cyberanger> ok fellas, this is a really bad inside joke, I don't get it
[03:06] <chibihogoshino> :-)
[03:06] <chibihogoshino> animes
[03:09] <techMiles> cyberanger: hey there
[03:09] <vychune> lol
[03:14] <cyberanger> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20110213
[03:14] <cyberanger> hey techMiles
[03:15] <techMiles> this chatper was about data acquisition
[03:15] <techMiles> this weeks' chapter in DF*
[03:16] <cyberanger> intresting
[03:16] <techMiles> yeah
[03:16] <techMiles> static, live, and network acquisitions/tools
[03:20] <techMiles> yeah. :D
[03:21] <techMiles> the forensics channels here are damn quiet. :P
[03:22] <linuxman410> not all channels are quiet
[03:23] <techMiles> the forensics channels are.
[03:23] <linuxman410> ubuntu takes forever to boot from cd
[03:23] <cyberanger> oh, network acquisiton, that's real fun
[03:23] <cyberanger> techMiles: unfortunate
[03:23] <techMiles> it is indeed, cyberanger.
[03:24] <cyberanger> but yeah, so quiet you can hear a ping drop
[03:25] <techMiles> ahaha.
[03:25] <techMiles> I like that.
[03:25] <techMiles> that's going in my fav quotes
[03:25] <techMiles> if I may, cyberanger ?
[03:27] <linuxman410> cyberanger how long does it usually take 10.10 to boot on a 1.6
[03:28] <cyberanger> techMiles: sure, I've worn it dead anyhow
[03:28] <cyberanger> linuxman410: 1.6 what?
[03:28] <cyberanger> GHZ?
[03:28] <cyberanger> processor?
[03:28] <linuxman410> processor
[03:29] <cyberanger> 1.6 Ghz, hrm, and how much ram
[03:29] <linuxman410> 2 gig
[03:30] <cyberanger> all stock, depends on hardware some, but I'd think 1-2 minutes
[03:30] <linuxman410> i started booting it 5 minutes ago and its still trying to boot
[03:30] <cyberanger> hrm, I've got one machine that does something like that, failing power supply
[03:30] <cyberanger> also another machine is under specs
[03:31] <linuxman410> this is a atom 1.6
[03:31] <cyberanger> linuxman410: any images on screen
[03:31] <linuxman410> yeahn ubuntu with  the little dot going across the bottom of it
[03:31] <cyberanger> my machine with a bad power supply is 2.0Ghz, 1GB ram, the other is 900mhz single core, with 256 ram I think
[03:32] <cyberanger> might be doing a check, perhaps an ext filesystem check and repair
[03:33] <linuxman410> i hit reset button to try it again
[03:37] <cyberanger> linuxman410: careful, I wonder on the underlying reason
[03:38] <cyberanger> (those numbers are a little guesswork, since all my systems are custom somehow, either with fde or stripped down and turned into a router, or fde and openbox instead of gnome)
[03:38] <cyberanger> but >5 minutes != reasonable boot time
[03:39] <linuxman410> i am going to use the alterative cd
[03:40] <cyberanger> cool
[03:40] <cyberanger> that's what I do
[03:46] <linuxman410> 'guess i got to stay out of ubuntu room for a while
[03:47] <vychune> lol
[03:47] <vychune> gtg folks
[03:55] <cyberanger> linuxman410: never a bad idea, if you can help it
[03:56] <techMiles> cyberanger: I'm running into a small issue.
[03:57] <techMiles> we had to take an image file provided for us with the book, and restore it to a device, preferably a small-ish flashdrive.
[03:57] <techMiles> I did so, and ran a hash on both the image file and the device to which the image file was restored, but they do NOT match..
[03:58] <techMiles> while this isn't required for the project in this chapter, I figured it'd be good to get into the habit.
[03:58] <linuxman410> cyberanger what is never a bad ideal
[03:58] <techMiles> don't they need to match?
[04:02] <techMiles> Meh. Will inquire with the prof about it later
[04:02] <linuxman410> cyberanger you still here
[04:03] <cyberanger> linuxman410: staying out of #ubuntu
[04:03] <cyberanger> techMiles: hrm, uh, let me think on that
[04:03] <cyberanger> restoring files for forensics seems like an oxymoron
[04:04] <techMiles> well, I think the idea is that if you capture an image, you can restore it to another of your own (clean) drives for analysis if you don't have the space on the system itself to keep it? I'm not entirely sure.
[04:04] <techMiles> it doesn't really explain the logical application of -that-.
[04:04] <linuxman410> i may  go back later it was probably a youngster i was probably using linux while he was in his diaper
[04:57] <techMiles> HAHHHH
[04:57] <techMiles> just used FTK to do my work for me.
[04:58] <techMiles> however, will have to nix the exporting of all the deleted files. Too large to submit.
[04:58] <techMiles> for courseowkr
[12:53] <wrst> Good morning tennessee
[16:28] <orias> o/
[16:29] <Svpernova09> >.>
[19:24] <wrst> cyberanger: i hate to be a pain, but our staus could stand to be changed :)
[19:35] <techMiles> hey wrst
[19:35] <wrst> hey techMiles
[19:35] <wrst> what's up?
[19:35] <techMiles> lol. I was about to ask you the same thing.
[19:36] <techMiles> Not much.
[19:36] <techMiles> just got up a bit ago.. around 12:30.
[19:36] <wrst> monday monday monday techMiles
[19:36] <techMiles> have eaten, and am chilling before hitting homework
[19:36] <wrst> oh the life techMiles
[19:36] <techMiles> maybe not THE life, but MY life.
[19:36] <techMiles> I'm having a career path crisis again. sorta.
[19:37] <wrst> ha ha well if you can get up at noon that's good in my book
[19:37] <techMiles> at first, I wanted to do networking stuff, then networking and security, then/now kinda wanna do security and forensics.
[19:37] <techMiles> and now I'm considering adding webdesign somewhere in the mix. or maybe just webdesign.
[19:37] <pace_t_zulu> all of those could overlap
[19:37] <pace_t_zulu> i'd imagine web design would be the lowest stress job
[19:37] <techMiles> pace_t_zulu: eh, maybe. lol.
[19:37] <pace_t_zulu> ^ unsolicited opinion
[19:38] <techMiles> it kinda depends.
[19:38] <wrst> techMiles, low stress is great
[19:38] <techMiles> I'd think the security stuff would be. Because, you'll be guaranteed to have a boss that knows what the heck is up when it comes to reprimanding you.
[19:38] <techMiles> SO chances are, if you know what you're doing, and follow policy, you'll be fine.
[19:38] <techMiles> with webdesign, you've got people who have no idea working over you, and telling you what needs doing.
[19:39] <pace_t_zulu> techMiles: i wouldn't assume the boss is guaranteed to know what the heck is up...
[19:39] <techMiles> and ridiculous deadlines so you have to scrape stuff together to make them in time. and then a hundred problems on day1.
[19:39] <techMiles> True, but I'd think it more likely than most of the others.
[19:40] <techMiles> just because it is a bit more of a delicate field. 'can I do this, am I alllowed to do that. Have to follow policy to-the-letter if I do this'. You'd need a supervisor who can help/control all of that.
[19:40] <techMiles> okay so maybe that ought to be 'you SHOULD have a supervisor...'
[19:43] <techMiles> wrst: what do you think? I want as much input as i can handle on this.. :D
[19:43] <techMiles> and pace_t_zulu that is a good point. Why do you think that webdesign would be the lowest stress?
[19:43] <techMiles> just because it isn't handling sensitive data?
[19:43] <wrst> techMiles: i really have no opinion i'm not in the IT field
[19:44] <pace_t_zulu> techMiles: i'd imagine anything involving security would elevate the stress level
[19:44] <techMiles> Yeah.
[19:44] <pace_t_zulu> techMiles: so i suppose designing a website that *needs* to be secure could have elevated stress levels as well
[19:45] <pace_t_zulu> techMiles: also with generic networking ... network availability is a big deal and a 24/7 kind of problem... i could see that creating stressful moments
[19:45] <techMiles> indeed
[19:45] <techMiles> yeah.
[19:47] <pace_t_zulu> techMiles: web design can always overlap with those two fields though... depending upon what level you are involved at
[19:47] <techMiles> Yeah.
[19:47] <techMiles> I suppose the place to start with it is finding where i wanna begin.
[19:47] <techMiles> a triple-quadruple major doesn't sound fun.
[19:47] <techMiles> or feasible.
[19:55] <pace_t_zulu> techMiles: what majors are you considering?
[19:55] <techMiles> heh. all of the listed above.
[19:55] <techMiles> if I do networking,  I'll do networking coupled w/ security.
[19:55] <techMiles> I've pondered doing networking and security, coupled w/ digital forensics
[20:00] <pace_t_zulu> are those majors?
[20:00] <techMiles> some are majors, and some are majors w/ a secondary focus.
[20:08] <chibihogoshino> linuxout laws is live
[20:08] <chibihogoshino> ‎ http://live.linuxoutlaws.com:8216/live
[20:21] <cyberanger> wrst: whoops, How'd I overlook that
[20:22] <wrst> ahh much better cyberanger :)
[20:22] <wrst> thanks!
[20:24] <techMiles> cyberanger: do you have any thoughts on the above from me?
[20:26] <cyberanger> wrst: not my work
[20:27] <cyberanger> wrst: thank pace_t_zulu, we caught it before me
[20:27] <wrst> ahh ok thanks pace_t_zulu :)
[20:27] <cyberanger> techMiles: probally, but I'd have to read my logs a bit first
[20:27] <techMiles> lol. No worries
[20:29] <cyberanger> techMiles: why choose
[20:29] <cyberanger> they overlap
[20:29] <techMiles> well, if nothing else I have to choose a starting point.
[20:30] <cyberanger> I'd leave web design out, that seems to be one that is more stress
[20:31] <cyberanger> customers leaning over you, watching you work, annoys me a bit more than others
[20:32] <cyberanger> networking and security really overlap in terms of where you get hired, and if you have a security issue (possible) forensics overlaps
[20:32] <techMiles> and a lot of it, even without that, is so subjective... what you see for a design may not be what they like.
[20:32] <cyberanger> and that's the order I'd do it
[20:32] <techMiles> yeah. I knew network and security overlapped.
[20:32] <techMiles> Alright.
[20:33] <cyberanger> networking security and forensics
[20:34] <cyberanger> however, I'd tweak it a little, stick A+ and Linux+ before network+ and security+ (and the forensics cert of your choice)
[20:34] <techMiles> cool. I'll note that, and probably ask a professor or two of mine for more info to see what he/she'd recommend.
[20:34] <techMiles> Why A+ and Linux+ first?
[20:34] <cyberanger> A+ is a backbone cert, everything else builds on it
[20:35] <techMiles> ahh.
[20:37] <cyberanger> Linux+ becuase that's one you've probally got a headstart on (this is a linux channel, right? ;-))
[20:37] <cyberanger> and it's also one alot of people (understandably) overlook
[20:38] <techMiles> yeah
[20:38] <techMiles> and can help with a sysadmin job if they run any sort've a linux server.
[20:38] <cyberanger> but your looking at forensics too, and linux is big in servers and the embedded market, and cellphones too now
[20:39] <cyberanger> and that could help you for the mac and *nix tasks for forensics
[20:40] <cyberanger> exactly, all help further down, but if things change, for whatever reason, you still have a core that you can use
[20:40] <techMiles> yeah.
[20:41] <techMiles> because things may change drastically, but the basic linux will more than likely stay, and basic a+.
[20:41] <techMiles> networking is going to change a fair bit, how it's done, etc, with IPv6
[20:41] <techMiles> but the base will still be good
[20:41] <cyberanger> well, they all change at points
[20:41] <cyberanger> but companies don't change overnight either
[20:42] <cyberanger> so you'll want it to stand up long enough to get in, and learn on the job too
[20:43] <cyberanger> and idk, you may want some MSCE certs (I've tried to avoid them, due to the disclaimer http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000213 )
[20:43] <techMiles> yeah. that won't be difficult, with an arsenal of a+, linux+ and net+, and then if I add sec+ I wo't have a problem finding a job, so long as I'm willing to move for it.
[20:45] <techMiles> I'd like to find courses geared around getting the certs, though.
[20:45] <techMiles> I do a lot better with structured courses.
[20:54] <cyberanger> I'd think that's how your college is setup, mine was that way
[20:55] <cyberanger> but idk, I think you've got a list for your advisor now
[20:57] <techMiles> yeah. and eh, it really isn't. They'd -like- it to be that way.
[21:01] <cyberanger> there's a point where your too close
[21:01] <cyberanger> and that might be what they mean
[21:02] <cyberanger> we leave some holes out, but it's enough to spend 5 more hours and pass
[21:02] <cyberanger> gotta run, should be back in an hour
[21:06] <Xpistos> is the boot screen for 11.04 better than 10.10. Cause 10.10 is bad
[21:13] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: looks like its better... i wouldn't say it's very good though
[21:42]  * wrst doesn't really mind the boot screen too much
[21:45] <Xpistos> its yucky
[22:44] <vychune> o/
[23:00] <cyberanger> hey vychune