| robertzaccour | whats the difference between low latency and realtime kernel? which would be better to pick for audio/video editing? should I choose both? | 00:26 |
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| holstein | robertzaccour: what OS are you using? | 00:27 |
| holstein | 10.04? | 00:27 |
| holstein | 10.10? | 00:27 |
| ailo | robertzaccour: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel | 00:27 |
| holstein | i usually suggest using the -generic one | 00:27 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, Ubuntu | 00:27 |
| holstein | and *if* you need lower latency | 00:27 |
| holstein | move on to the -lowlatency | 00:27 |
| holstein | and if thats not working for your needs for some reason | 00:27 |
| holstein | try the -realtime one | 00:28 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: what version of ubuntu | 00:28 |
| holstein | the generic kernel is getting better and better | 00:28 |
| robertzaccour | holstein 10.10 64 bit | 00:28 |
| holstein | each release :) | 00:28 |
| holstein | IF you're not doing real time effects processing | 00:28 |
| holstein | OR using a software synthesizer live | 00:29 |
| robertzaccour | would realtime kernel be best overall? | 00:29 |
| holstein | you wont really take advantage of what a lower latency kernel will provide | 00:29 |
| robertzaccour | in the past i've had audio/video sync issues and a bit of lag | 00:29 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: generic would be best overall | 00:29 |
| holstein | for your machine in general | 00:29 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, generic seems to be a problem from my experience | 00:29 |
| ailo | Consider the realtime kernel experiemental, and should only be used if nothing else works | 00:30 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: where is the 'lag' ? | 00:30 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, a little bit in video screen capture with webcam open, especially with normal effects on | 00:30 |
| holstein | right | 00:30 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: that shouldnt matter | 00:30 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, i just need to know which kernel would most likely fix my problem here | 00:30 |
| holstein | you'll fire up whatever you want to use | 00:30 |
| holstein | and it will create a file | 00:31 |
| holstein | with audio and video | 00:31 |
| robertzaccour | but which kernel will most likely fix my sync issues here? | 00:31 |
| holstein | and if it takes 2ms to grab that data and write it | 00:31 |
| robertzaccour | realtime? low-latency? | 00:31 |
| holstein | you wont know the difference | 00:31 |
| holstein | between 2 and 60ms | 00:31 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: i would say the proper software will fix the sync | 00:31 |
| ailo | robertzaccour: What program are you using? Do you know what is causing the sync issues? | 00:31 |
| holstein | not the kernel | 00:31 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: are you using JACK ? | 00:32 |
| robertzaccour | ailo, I have cheese open while using gtk-recordMyDesktop | 00:32 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, never used jack | 00:32 |
| holstein | yeah, chees is not going to do it | 00:32 |
| holstein | cheese is for kids i think | 00:32 |
| holstein | not for what you're looking for | 00:32 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, would one of these kernels possibly fix it? | 00:32 |
| holstein | nope | 00:32 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, so no chance | 00:33 |
| holstein | feel free to test it | 00:33 |
| holstein | but, if you think you need lower latency | 00:33 |
| holstein | you should be using JACK | 00:33 |
| holstein | to fully utilize that | 00:33 |
| robertzaccour | what does jack do? | 00:33 |
| holstein | quite a bit | 00:33 |
| holstein | allows interconnectivity for one thing | 00:34 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: let me give you a scenario | 00:34 |
| holstein | i have a stereo audio track | 00:34 |
| holstein | and i want to add a track to it | 00:34 |
| holstein | the musician is listening along to the stereo track | 00:35 |
| holstein | and playing along | 00:35 |
| holstein | the time it takes the computer to create that sound | 00:35 |
| holstein | lets say | 00:35 |
| holstein | that 20ms | 00:35 |
| holstein | THEN the time it takes the computer to record the new audio | 00:35 |
| holstein | thats going to be 20ms as well | 00:35 |
| robertzaccour | my issue is when recording my desktop with cheese and audio recorded after about 4 minuts the audio and video go out of sync and it gets worse the longer the recording | 00:35 |
| holstein | thats means the new audio COULD be 20ms later | 00:35 |
| holstein | or 40ms later | 00:36 |
| holstein | this will happen immediately | 00:36 |
| holstein | and not after 4 minutes | 00:36 |
| holstein | you dont have latency issues | 00:36 |
| holstein | you have cheese issues | 00:36 |
| holstein | record my desktop is JACK capable | 00:36 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, so what do you recommend? | 00:36 |
| holstein | and VLC is the tool to use for the cam | 00:36 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, so you recommend vlc instead of cheese? | 00:37 |
| holstein | even using VLC for your needs now might work | 00:37 |
| robertzaccour | so cheese is the problem? | 00:37 |
| holstein | its an issue of frame rates too i think | 00:37 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: well, im speculating | 00:37 |
| robertzaccour | 30fps | 00:37 |
| holstein | but cheese is not a professional tool | 00:37 |
| robertzaccour | thanks i will try vlc | 00:37 |
| holstein | doesnt claim to be | 00:37 |
| robertzaccour | seems almost all the buntu users use cheese though haha | 00:38 |
| holstein | you can mess around with the rates at which the audio and video are 'grabbed' | 00:38 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, whats a "professional" webcam application? anything of logitech software quality? | 00:38 |
| holstein | in theory | 00:38 |
| ailo | robertzaccour: Doesn't seem like you need lower latency anyway, so I would stick to the -generic kernel. | 00:38 |
| holstein | the video writes a little more or less data | 00:38 |
| holstein | and they get out of sync | 00:38 |
| ailo | May be that -lowlatency can be more reliable. | 00:38 |
| ailo | But -lowlatency will not fix sync issues. | 00:39 |
| robertzaccour | oh ok | 00:39 |
| holstein | im not sure about 'logitech software' | 00:39 |
| holstein | i might look into vitrualdub | 00:39 |
| holstein | pitivi | 00:39 |
| holstein | one of the big video programs in linux | 00:39 |
| robertzaccour | pitivi opens the webcams too? | 00:39 |
| * holstein shrugs | 00:40 | |
| holstein | VLC does | 00:40 |
| holstein | i used to have sync issues when i was trying to copy some things from VHS to DVD | 00:41 |
| holstein | back on windows | 00:41 |
| holstein | virtualdub is what i ended up using | 00:41 |
| holstein | stayed in sync better | 00:42 |
| holstein | not sure why | 00:42 |
| holstein | when i was googling around back then | 00:42 |
| holstein | i found this to be a common problem | 00:42 |
| holstein | i read that major networks pay to have things synced up afterwards | 00:43 |
| holstein | in a lot of cases | 00:43 |
| robertzaccour | what did you do with virtualdub? | 00:43 |
| holstein | and i have seen out of sync | 00:43 |
| holstein | on TV | 00:43 |
| robertzaccour | oh ok | 00:43 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: i grabbed some VHS's | 00:43 |
| holstein | with vitualdub | 00:43 |
| holstein | virtualdub* | 00:44 |
| robertzaccour | i see | 00:45 |
| holstein | test what you want kernel-wise | 00:45 |
| robertzaccour | besides vlc what else is good for webcam display? | 00:45 |
| holstein | but thats not the issue | 00:45 |
| holstein | im not sure | 00:45 |
| holstein | i mostly focus on audio | 00:46 |
| robertzaccour | and not guvcview thats worse than cheese haha | 00:46 |
| holstein | you can try cheese and mess around with the frame rates | 00:47 |
| holstein | and the bit rates of the audio | 00:47 |
| holstein | fiddly though | 00:47 |
| robertzaccour | whoa holy crap my screencasting is crippled with normal compiz on | 00:49 |
| holstein | i bet | 00:50 |
| robertzaccour | in windows screencasting was perfect, full aero and all | 00:50 |
| holstein | ive been fine with recordmydesktop-gtk | 00:50 |
| robertzaccour | and canonical is basing their next UI on compiz what a joke imo lol | 00:50 |
| holstein | nope | 00:51 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, with compiz on? | 00:51 |
| holstein | its unity | 00:51 |
| robertzaccour | i know | 00:51 |
| robertzaccour | unity is built on compiz right? | 00:51 |
| holstein | with a 2d version now | 00:51 |
| robertzaccour | but there's also 2D unity | 00:51 |
| robertzaccour | yeah | 00:51 |
| holstein | i think that was a good call | 00:51 |
| robertzaccour | if i use untiy it will be 2d | 00:51 |
| robertzaccour | they're not doin the 3d unity? good whew | 00:51 |
| holstein | i dont remember if i had compiz on or not | 00:51 |
| holstein | with recordmydesktop | 00:52 |
| holstein | i dont remember it being an issue | 00:52 |
| holstein | so it was probably on | 00:52 |
| holstein | you can always dual boot | 00:52 |
| holstein | or run one or the other in virtualbox | 00:53 |
| holstein | although, the pro audio software really doesnt work well in VM | 00:53 |
| robertzaccour | i'm recording with vlc open instead of cheese now | 00:58 |
| robertzaccour | not much luck with cheese and guvcview | 00:58 |
| robertzaccour | I'm gonna install Xubuntu because Xfce themes better than Gnome from my experience | 01:03 |
| robertzaccour | would prefer gnome if it weren't for compiz issues with screen capturing | 01:04 |
| holstein | just install XFCE | 01:04 |
| robertzaccour | I wonder if using compositor in Xfce will mess stuff up | 01:04 |
| holstein | should | 01:04 |
| holstein | probably more relating to your graphics card/drivers | 01:04 |
| holstein | than compiz | 01:04 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, I like the matching load up screen though, and don't wanna spend a lot of time deleting stuff I don't need | 01:04 |
| holstein | you can sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop | 01:05 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, but compiz makes it a lot worse than when turned off | 01:05 |
| holstein | and choose between them | 01:05 |
| holstein | gnome or XFCE | 01:05 |
| holstein | at login | 01:05 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, how do i get the load up screen for xubuntu? | 01:05 |
| holstein | OR just sudo apt-get install xfce | 01:05 |
| holstein | this talks about that | 01:06 |
| holstein | http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/01/30/howto-switch-from-ubuntu-to-kubuntu-or-xubuntu-or-edubuntu-or-vice-versa-610-edgy/ | 01:06 |
| holstein | at the bottom | 01:06 |
| holstein | sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm | 01:07 |
| holstein | i usually just roll with gdm | 01:07 |
| robertzaccour | back | 01:33 |
| robertzaccour | talkin to yall while i test my stuff here | 01:33 |
| robertzaccour | saying what i type to very sync quality | 01:33 |
| holstein | i see | 01:33 |
| robertzaccour | i wish screencasting was as smooth in linux as windows | 01:34 |
| robertzaccour | i also wish for the official yahoo messenger haha | 01:35 |
| holstein | http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/ | 01:35 |
| holstein | here is a friends site | 01:35 |
| robertzaccour | oh btw vlc webcam display messes up gtk-recordMyDesktop | 01:35 |
| holstein | with a bunch of nice screencasts | 01:35 |
| holstein | you want to elaborate on 'messes up' ? | 01:36 |
| robertzaccour | it doesn't encode after and refuses to close until i xkill it and then i have to log out and back in to restore the theme | 01:36 |
| robertzaccour | the encode process sticks at 0. it freezes | 01:36 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: lets start at the beginning | 01:36 |
| holstein | what are you trying to do? | 01:36 |
| robertzaccour | oh nothin just testing out my recording | 01:37 |
| holstein | im not clear on what you need the webcam for | 01:37 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, recording | 01:37 |
| holstein | right | 01:37 |
| holstein | recording what? | 01:37 |
| holstein | recordmydesktop does audio | 01:37 |
| holstein | and the desktop | 01:37 |
| robertzaccour | yep | 01:37 |
| robertzaccour | and my open webcam | 01:37 |
| holstein | so im not clear on what you need VLC for? | 01:37 |
| holstein | or cheese | 01:37 |
| robertzaccour | i don't | 01:37 |
| robertzaccour | it messes up recordmydesktop | 01:38 |
| holstein | right | 01:38 |
| robertzaccour | testing out cheese w/o compiz | 01:38 |
| holstein | but why is it open | 01:38 |
| holstein | at all? | 01:38 |
| robertzaccour | to record me haha | 01:38 |
| holstein | in what capacity? | 01:38 |
| holstein | im not clear? | 01:38 |
| holstein | on what the goal is | 01:38 |
| holstein | IF you want the webcam | 01:38 |
| holstein | and audio | 01:38 |
| holstein | use VLC | 01:38 |
| holstein | alone | 01:38 |
| robertzaccour | i don't know yet, just want it to work for now | 01:38 |
| robertzaccour | but i like the destkop being in there also | 01:39 |
| holstein | like or need? | 01:39 |
| holstein | or want? | 01:39 |
| holstein | and in what capacity | 01:39 |
| holstein | im just suggesting that you might not be using te proper tools | 01:39 |
| holstein | to get the best results | 01:39 |
| holstein | IF we can get a handle on what you want to do | 01:39 |
| holstein | you should be able to have cheese open | 01:40 |
| robertzaccour | I'm thinking about uploading gameplay from my dazzle capture device of my online game play of smackdown vs raw 2011 and also incorporate myself and what I'm doing online also | 01:40 |
| holstein | streaming your image on the screen | 01:40 |
| holstein | and capture the whole she-bang | 01:40 |
| holstein | with record my desktop | 01:40 |
| robertzaccour | thats what i'm doing | 01:40 |
| robertzaccour | testing out sync of audio/video | 01:40 |
| holstein | right | 01:40 |
| holstein | you'll need to fiddle with the quality settings | 01:40 |
| holstein | thats not what cheese is for | 01:41 |
| holstein | realtime display of the webcam | 01:41 |
| holstein | thats what you need | 01:41 |
| holstein | something that is just 'showing' the webcam | 01:41 |
| holstein | on the screen | 01:41 |
| robertzaccour | i got cheese open and the desktop recording it while open and recording audo also | 01:41 |
| holstein | something you can control the quality of | 01:41 |
| robertzaccour | what do you mean realtime display of webcam? | 01:41 |
| holstein | OK... | 01:41 |
| robertzaccour | i control the quality of recordmydesktop | 01:41 |
| holstein | when you hit the record button | 01:41 |
| holstein | on recordmydesktop | 01:42 |
| robertzaccour | and cheese and recordmydesktop automatically render in 720p | 01:42 |
| holstein | its recording what you say | 01:42 |
| holstein | thats pretty fast | 01:42 |
| holstein | pretty good | 01:42 |
| holstein | and the desktop too | 01:42 |
| robertzaccour | as long as compiz is shut off haha | 01:42 |
| holstein | that'll be pretty much right on | 01:42 |
| holstein | BUT | 01:42 |
| holstein | cheese | 01:42 |
| holstein | its roll is not for that | 01:42 |
| robertzaccour | hopefully the audio and video stay in sync | 01:42 |
| holstein | its made for another task | 01:42 |
| holstein | SO | 01:42 |
| robertzaccour | what application would you recommend? | 01:42 |
| holstein | its showing your imamage on the screen | 01:42 |
| holstein | whenever it wants to | 01:42 |
| holstein | late or whatever | 01:42 |
| robertzaccour | no its realtime | 01:43 |
| holstein | with no regard for sync | 01:43 |
| holstein | if it were | 01:43 |
| holstein | we would not have this issue | 01:43 |
| holstein | and, its not what you need anyways | 01:43 |
| holstein | you're not using cheese for anything | 01:43 |
| robertzaccour | what do i need? | 01:43 |
| holstein | other than just showing you're head on the screen | 01:43 |
| holstein | let me look a bit | 01:44 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: this is do-able | 01:44 |
| holstein | i tell people all the time | 01:44 |
| holstein | in linux the answer is almost always yes | 01:44 |
| holstein | you'll just need to look around a bit more | 01:44 |
| holstein | and aks questions | 01:44 |
| holstein | theres not a 'microsoft' or another commercial entity | 01:45 |
| holstein | interested it you making sure you find the software | 01:45 |
| holstein | just you | 01:45 |
| holstein | and me | 01:45 |
| holstein | and some other folks | 01:45 |
| robertzaccour | i know it worked perfectly in camtasia studio in windows, but that switch would be a stretch i'd rather now | 01:46 |
| robertzaccour | ubuntu is much more simple than windows for me | 01:46 |
| robertzaccour | for the most part | 01:46 |
| holstein | this is the kind of thing that gets fiddly | 01:47 |
| holstein | you can try 'camtasia' in wine | 01:47 |
| robertzaccour | holstein, you think that would work? | 01:50 |
| robertzaccour | its a big application | 01:50 |
| holstein | doesnt matter | 01:50 |
| holstein | have you checked winehq? | 01:50 |
| robertzaccour | not yet | 01:51 |
| holstein | http://appdb.winehq.org/ | 01:51 |
| holstein | sounds to me like you might just be missing a function | 01:51 |
| holstein | of that software | 01:51 |
| holstein | might have to decide what you need | 01:51 |
| holstein | and go from there | 01:51 |
| holstein | sounds like you're just trying to emulate that software | 01:51 |
| holstein | thats not going to happen | 01:51 |
| holstein | IF you need to capture the screen, that can happen | 01:52 |
| holstein | screen and video can happen | 01:52 |
| holstein | screen and audio | 01:52 |
| robertzaccour | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=7983 doesn't say much | 01:52 |
| holstein | might just be something no one has thought of | 01:52 |
| holstein | i know im having a hard time realizing what the need for that is | 01:52 |
| holstein | BUT you could probably bring it up somewhere | 01:52 |
| holstein | and get someone interested in wrting it | 01:53 |
| holstein | if you need it, im sure someone else might | 01:53 |
| holstein | nothing is impossible | 01:53 |
| robertzaccour | would an application need development to work in wine? | 01:54 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: gives it a 'garbage' rating | 01:54 |
| robertzaccour | who does? | 01:54 |
| holstein | winehq | 01:54 |
| holstein | im not suggesting you try and 'fix' that software | 01:54 |
| holstein | that wont happen | 01:54 |
| holstein | you can write something from scratch though | 01:54 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: what machine are you on? | 01:55 |
| holstein | what specs? | 01:55 |
| robertzaccour | emachines e527-2537 | 01:57 |
| robertzaccour | 2gb ddr3 ram 2.2 Ghz single core 64 bit | 01:58 |
| holstein | should be fine | 01:58 |
| holstein | recordmydesktop and compiz are working fine for me | 01:58 |
| holstein | what nvidia driver are you using? | 01:58 |
| robertzaccour | i don't have nvidia | 01:58 |
| holstein | ok | 01:59 |
| holstein | what graphics card do you have? | 01:59 |
| holstein | and what driver are you using? | 01:59 |
| holstein | sometimes the proprietary ones have better support for certain things | 02:00 |
| holstein | compiz and whatnot | 02:00 |
| holstein | on a machine of those specs | 02:00 |
| holstein | the DE isnt going to help | 02:00 |
| holstein | its going to be driver support | 02:00 |
| holstein | thats plenty to push compiz and whatever else | 02:00 |
| holstein | along with gnome | 02:00 |
| robertzaccour | oh ok | 02:01 |
| robertzaccour | i might wanna do something similar to what osgui does on youtube | 02:02 |
| holstein | osgui is? | 02:02 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: you going to be here for a minute? | 02:03 |
| holstein | i'll just try what you are trying here | 02:03 |
| holstein | and see if it works... | 02:03 |
| robertzaccour | ok screencasting works great now :) | 02:03 |
| robertzaccour | just not with compiz on | 02:03 |
| robertzaccour | ohh ok | 02:04 |
| holstein | yeah, see | 02:07 |
| holstein | i have lag already | 02:07 |
| holstein | just opening cheese | 02:07 |
| holstein | cheese is late | 02:07 |
| holstein | VLC is late too | 02:08 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: yeah, we need a simpler tool | 02:09 |
| holstein | for this purpose | 02:09 |
| holstein | something that will get the webcam to the desktop faster | 02:09 |
| holstein | thats where the breakdown is for me | 02:10 |
| robertzaccour | its like a quarter second | 02:10 |
| holstein | yup | 02:10 |
| robertzaccour | or you can record the audio separately and sync it in pitivi or kdenlive maybe | 02:10 |
| holstein | i mean, its a webcam | 02:10 |
| holstein | its not really supposed to do that | 02:10 |
| robertzaccour | i think it depends on your hardware | 02:10 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: thats do-able maybe | 02:10 |
| holstein | sync later | 02:10 |
| robertzaccour | osgui and others on youtube use cheese and its fine for them | 02:10 |
| holstein | and osgui is?? | 02:11 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: ask about the hardware | 02:11 |
| holstein | maybe its not a cheesy webcam like i hav | 02:11 |
| holstein | e | 02:11 |
| holstein | cheese *is* overkill for this though | 02:11 |
| robertzaccour | i have a 720p webcam its logitech | 02:11 |
| robertzaccour | cost only like 34 bucks | 02:12 |
| holstein | you just want your head in a box | 02:12 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: doesnt matter | 02:12 |
| holstein | matters more about driver support in linux really | 02:12 |
| holstein | and quality second | 02:12 |
| robertzaccour | yeah driver support really sucks in Linux, even though I prefer Linux as an OS | 02:12 |
| holstein | better than windows | 02:12 |
| holstein | or osx | 02:12 |
| robertzaccour | but you have to be real choosy before you buy | 02:13 |
| holstein | the linux kernel supports an amazing number of devices out-of-the-box | 02:13 |
| robertzaccour | actually windows has the best driver support because they are tailored for windows from the start | 02:13 |
| robertzaccour | yes true | 02:13 |
| holstein | nah | 02:13 |
| robertzaccour | from my experience | 02:13 |
| holstein | windows doesnt support any devices really | 02:13 |
| holstein | the vendors are given the tools and permission to write drivers | 02:14 |
| robertzaccour | preinstalled i meant | 02:14 |
| holstein | but they are not inculded in windows | 02:14 |
| robertzaccour | yes true | 02:14 |
| holstein | almost nothing is supported by windows | 02:14 |
| holstein | OSX is worse ;) | 02:14 |
| holstein | they are all getting better all the time though | 02:15 |
| holstein | as they should | 02:15 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: if you have friends that you can aks | 02:15 |
| holstein | that are doing exaclty what you are doing | 02:15 |
| holstein | i say ask them how | 02:15 |
| holstein | i think cheese is overkill | 02:15 |
| robertzaccour | people's computers ahve to work the way they want them to. whether its the vendors decision to support Linux and its outside their control, it doesn't matter who's fault it is all that matters is that stuff works the way its intended | 02:15 |
| holstein | and i dont know what to suggest | 02:15 |
| robertzaccour | cheese is the best option that i know of | 02:15 |
| holstein | and im not going to be motivated to find it | 02:16 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: its not a matter fault | 02:16 |
| holstein | im allowed to write my own drivers | 02:16 |
| holstein | if i know how | 02:16 |
| holstein | and choose to learn | 02:16 |
| holstein | in windows, i might not be given that same luxury | 02:17 |
| robertzaccour | i don't wanna do configuring haha i want everything to work automatically :) | 02:17 |
| holstein | anyways, this is not a 'coke' 'pepsi' battle | 02:17 |
| robertzaccour | true | 02:17 |
| holstein | i've already drank the kool-aid ;) | 02:17 |
| holstein | and ive installed both OS's | 02:17 |
| robertzaccour | i get the cheap drinks haha | 02:17 |
| holstein | recently | 02:17 |
| robertzaccour | the $4 24 pack of can sodas | 02:18 |
| holstein | and i can tell you which has better support out of the box | 02:18 |
| holstein | and which i preffer | 02:18 |
| holstein | and why | 02:18 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: also, this issue you're experiencin | 02:18 |
| holstein | g | 02:18 |
| holstein | is not really an ubuntustudio specific one | 02:18 |
| holstein | SO | 02:18 |
| robertzaccour | for me Ubuntu is easier than windows, mainly because of smaller footprint of apps and how fast and easy it is to install/uninstall | 02:18 |
| holstein | you might want to ask around in #ubuntu-beginners | 02:18 |
| robertzaccour | its nice to not have to go to a website to get software | 02:18 |
| holstein | i know #ubuntu is a mess usually | 02:18 |
| robertzaccour | for me its the easiest to use OS right now | 02:19 |
| holstein | BUT, messing with kernels and DE's | 02:19 |
| holstein | not going to be the answer | 02:19 |
| robertzaccour | oh and mac driver support does suck, they only support apple computers haha | 02:19 |
| holstein | well, the hardware is crossing over more and more | 02:20 |
| holstein | since the intel procs | 02:20 |
| holstein | but still, a gernerally smaller base of hardware to support | 02:20 |
| robertzaccour | apple computers and mac os x are pretty, but there isn't any more functionality than in any other OS | 02:23 |
| robertzaccour | actually less if you count hardware lol | 02:23 |
| holstein | hehe | 02:23 |
| holstein | nice price point | 02:23 |
| robertzaccour | i don't wanna pay $3000 for one though | 02:23 |
| holstein | 30 bucks i paid for snow leopard | 02:24 |
| holstein | i installed it on the macbook i paid nothing for :) | 02:24 |
| robertzaccour | i found this this theme on xfce look. recken it would work in gnome also? http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Industrial+green+black+?content=91636 | 02:24 |
| robertzaccour | i know camtasia studio had a built in webcam display. | 02:27 |
| robertzaccour | also what was cool was you didn't see it while recording, but after the recording | 02:27 |
| holstein | right | 02:27 |
| holstein | we dont have anything like that | 02:27 |
| holstein | AFAIK | 02:27 |
| holstein | til now | 02:27 |
| holstein | i had never heard of anyone interested in having it | 02:28 |
| holstein | thats why | 02:28 |
| robertzaccour | linux users on youtube do this all the time | 02:28 |
| holstein | email them | 02:28 |
| holstein | and ask | 02:28 |
| robertzaccour | i did | 02:28 |
| robertzaccour | they just use recordmydesktop and edit in kdenlive mostly | 02:29 |
| holstein | you can get a theme like that from gnome look | 02:29 |
| holstein | i saw screenshots | 02:29 |
| holstein | from a user in #ubuntu-beginners | 02:29 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: maybe they sync the audio afterward then? | 02:30 |
| robertzaccour | doesn't G2x work in gnome though? | 02:30 |
| robertzaccour | i meant GTX 2.x | 02:30 |
| holstein | or the webcam displays more in realtime on their systems | 02:30 |
| robertzaccour | no mostly just record | 02:30 |
| holstein | for some reason | 02:30 |
| robertzaccour | they probably have a lot of ram, good graphics card, and good processor | 02:30 |
| holstein | nah | 02:30 |
| holstein | thats not the issue | 02:30 |
| robertzaccour | a lot of them have like 16 GB ram | 02:31 |
| holstein | * not the issue | 02:31 |
| holstein | you got plenty of pep | 02:31 |
| robertzaccour | mine video is only about 1/4 second behind the audio. barely noticeable | 02:32 |
| robertzaccour | on my last laptop the sync would run away | 02:32 |
| robertzaccour | and get worse more behind as time went on | 02:32 |
| holstein | too many variables though | 02:32 |
| robertzaccour | yeah | 02:32 |
| holstein | to draw a comparison | 02:32 |
| holstein | based on system specs | 02:33 |
| robertzaccour | good hardware is most likely the secret | 02:33 |
| holstein | well, it wont hurt | 02:33 |
| holstein | but you got plenty to do what you're trying to do | 02:33 |
| holstein | ive had JACK running on a p3 with 256 of ram | 02:33 |
| holstein | at some pretty riduculous latency settings | 02:34 |
| holstein | from a live CD | 02:34 |
| robertzaccour | i wanna record my online gameplay on smackdown vs raw 2011 and also talk about the game stuff | 02:34 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: you can do that | 02:34 |
| robertzaccour | you have linux on your ps3? | 02:34 |
| holstein | i dont need to see you talk about it | 02:34 |
| robertzaccour | it only allows up to 1/4 gig ram on those things | 02:34 |
| holstein | i would argue its distracting anyways | 02:34 |
| robertzaccour | and is very slow | 02:34 |
| holstein | i dont have a PS3 | 02:34 |
| holstein | i was talking about an older pIII | 02:35 |
| holstein | 500mhz | 02:35 |
| robertzaccour | i dunno i think the webcam makes it more interactive | 02:35 |
| robertzaccour | oh ok haha | 02:35 |
| holstein | takes up some screen space | 02:35 |
| robertzaccour | i was thinkin you haven't updated your ps3 in 2 years haha | 02:35 |
| robertzaccour | they dropped linux support | 02:36 |
| holstein | i dont need to see and hear you | 02:36 |
| robertzaccour | it was shitty support anyways | 02:36 |
| holstein | i would argue its not needed | 02:36 |
| holstein | robertzaccour: yeah, i heard it was dropped | 02:36 |
| robertzaccour | some would say it takes up space, and some would say it makes it more interactive | 02:36 |
| robertzaccour | it was | 02:36 |
| holstein | sure | 02:36 |
| robertzaccour | wasn't worth bothering with anyways | 02:36 |
| robertzaccour | 256 mb ram is a joke | 02:36 |
| holstein | i would say, you *should* be able to do it | 02:36 |
| holstein | but, i would choose not to personally | 02:37 |
| holstein | for the screen space | 02:37 |
| holstein | BUT, ive seen a couple like that | 02:37 |
| holstein | with the guy down in the corner | 02:37 |
| holstein | i thought it was unecessary | 02:37 |
| robertzaccour | i got mine in the lower right corner. not much space at all but i see what you mean | 02:37 |
| holstein | you could do this with JACK though | 02:39 |
| holstein | in theory | 02:39 |
| holstein | and get it all synced up | 02:39 |
| holstein | you'd have to ask a video guy though | 02:39 |
| holstein | anyways.. BIAB | 02:40 |
| robertzaccour | wanna see this theme in action? | 02:42 |
| robertzaccour | man i see firefox implements theme better than chromium | 02:43 |
| robertzaccour | goin back to firefox i guess | 02:43 |
| robertzaccour | ok | 02:44 |
| S2Do | Hi there. I've just found out about Gnome 3 and ubuntu unity... is ubuntu studio planning to move to one of thease? | 13:53 |
| ailo_at | s2Do: UbuntuStudio will use gnome. Don't think Gnome 3 will be ready in time for Natty at least | 13:59 |
| ailo_at | S2Do * | 13:59 |
| ailo_at | Wow. Just saw that gnome 3 has a new website. http://www.gnome3.org/ | 14:00 |
| S2Do | Well, I would be concern about having gnome3 in ubuntu studio 'cause that would use more computer resources | 14:06 |
| S2Do | hope they stick with the current version as it is reasonably stable. I'm running maverik (wich I love!) on my desktop and laptop. My laptop is a thinkpad x31 (2003) and it runs and smoothly :) | 14:13 |
| holstein | unity might be lighter than gnome | 14:14 |
| holstein | we were talking about xfce and lxde though | 14:14 |
| holstein | we'll see :) | 14:14 |
| S2Do | Those two sound reasonable | 14:20 |
| S2Do | I just found uneccesary the use of flashy interfaces for a computer studio and would rather save that power for audio recording | 14:21 |
| holstein | well, one thing is for sure | 14:28 |
| holstein | you cant please everyone | 14:28 |
| holstein | i figure some confortalbe middle ground for the default install is cool | 14:29 |
| holstein | something easy to maintain | 14:29 |
| holstein | thats not totally different from default buntu | 14:29 |
| holstein | and the end-user can choose to run fluxbox or openbox or whatever | 14:29 |
| holstein | i mean, we got crazy fast machines now | 14:30 |
| holstein | mutiple cores and GPU's just sitting there | 14:30 |
| holstein | might as well use em if you got em :) | 14:30 |
| S2Do | I agree :) | 14:35 |
| S2Do | I wonder, is there a public place to talk about this decisions, what packages to include, etc. I mean, a place where the end users can vote for certain features. | 14:37 |
| holstein | S2Do: in ubuntustudio? | 14:38 |
| holstein | you can /j #ubuntustudio-devel | 14:38 |
| holstein | and join the mailing lists | 14:38 |
| ailo_at | S2Do: Most packages come directly from Debian, but about deciding on the Desktop, as holstein says.. | 14:39 |
| ailo_at | Or, deciding on what packages to include in the standard Ubuntu installation, of course | 14:39 |
| holstein | we (US) have to follow certain guidelines | 14:39 |
| ailo_at | Ubuntustudio*, I mean | 14:40 |
| holstein | we cant really add packages like you're suggesting | 14:40 |
| holstein | willy nilly | 14:40 |
| holstein | we have to follow proper protocols | 14:40 |
| holstein | to get things in the main repos | 14:40 |
| holstein | and install them default | 14:40 |
| holstein | and for good reason i think | 14:40 |
| holstein | BUT, ppa's are commonly used for adding custom versions or new packages | 14:41 |
| holstein | i think the PPA system is great | 14:41 |
| S2Do | I undesrta | 14:41 |
| S2Do | I understand. I'm just knew to ubuntu studio and I'm curious how it all works behind the scenes. I will join the ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list | 14:42 |
| holstein | S2Do: that doesnt mean you cant have some say-so | 14:42 |
| S2Do | I meant new | 14:43 |
| holstein | you are more than welcome over in #ubuntustudio-devel | 14:43 |
| holstein | if you can hang over there for a bit | 14:43 |
| holstein | you'll see how it goes | 14:43 |
| S2Do | yeah I'll give it a try :) | 14:45 |
| S2Do | I've being a ubuntu user for some years but I just made the switch tu US a few months a go and I'm loving it | 14:45 |
| holstein | cool | 14:47 |
| S2Do | I guess am looking for a way to make a contribution | 14:47 |
| holstein | glad to hear 10.10 is working for you | 14:47 |
| holstein | what hardware are you using? | 14:47 |
| holstein | audio interface? | 14:47 |
| S2Do | I'm using a cakewalk UA25ex | 14:47 |
| holstein | cool | 14:48 |
| holstein | those look nice | 14:48 |
| holstein | you like th pre's ? | 14:48 |
| holstein | the* | 14:48 |
| holstein | xyclo_: ping | 14:48 |
| holstein | i have news | 14:48 |
| holstein | if you're on the yoshimi list, im sure you saw it | 14:48 |
| AutoStatic | Cool device S2Do | 14:48 |
| holstein | BUT that verion is just not going to work | 14:49 |
| holstein | AutoStatic: o/ | 14:49 |
| AutoStatic | Decent piece of equipment | 14:49 |
| holstein | AutoStatic: your PPA saved the day again | 14:49 |
| holstein | xyclo_: the version in AutoStatic 's PPA will work fine for 32bit machines | 14:49 |
| S2Do | AutoStatic: I made this decision base on your post in the forums :) | 14:49 |
| S2Do | The device is nice indeed and works right out of the box | 14:50 |
| ailo_at | I'm still wondering about usb standard compliancy. What's the highest settings you guys can use? 96kHz/24bit? | 14:51 |
| AutoStatic | The latter yes | 14:52 |
| holstein | yeah | 14:52 |
| holstein | 24/96 on the firepod | 14:52 |
| holstein | i use 24/44.1 usually though | 14:52 |
| AutoStatic | But then you can only either use playback or capture, not both, so no full duplex | 14:52 |
| S2Do | first a bought the early version, second hand, but had some noise problems. Then I found out it was sort of a defective design and it was solved in the new version. So I went for it :) | 14:52 |
| ailo_at | holstein: Yeah, but that | 14:52 |
| ailo_at | that's firewire. | 14:52 |
| AutoStatic | S2Do: I have zero issues with that noise problem | 14:53 |
| AutoStatic | I have the old one | 14:53 |
| ailo_at | I read about M-audio's Fasttrack pro | 14:53 |
| AutoStatic | Read about the noise problems somewhere too but I don't think it's a big issue | 14:54 |
| ailo_at | holstein: usb devices hardly have any drivers, from what I know, aside from standard usb drivers | 14:54 |
| xyclo_ | holstein, | 14:54 |
| S2Do | Autostatic, It only happens with certain machines. It work flawlessly on my old laptop, but not in my iMac (main computer) :( | 14:54 |
| ailo_at | AutoStatic: It was this line that caught my attention "Class compliancy supports 16-bit/48kHz 2 x 4 operation on OS X 10.3.9 and higher. Driver installation required to access more I/O.", when reading about Fast Track Pro | 14:54 |
| xyclo_ | holstein: I saw, but not on the list. I'll stick to autostatic's v | 14:55 |
| AutoStatic | ailo_at: didn't we talk about that earlier? | 14:55 |
| S2Do | Autostatic, it's something related to ground-loops | 14:55 |
| xyclo_ | yoshimi developers seem quite frustrated with the problem of v 0.60 on 64bit machines running 32bit systems | 14:56 |
| ailo_at | AutoStatic: I guess so :) | 14:56 |
| holstein | xyclo_: i think its 32bit installs in general | 14:56 |
| xyclo_ | hm | 14:56 |
| xyclo_ | ok | 14:56 |
| AutoStatic | S2Do: ah ground loops! I sue had some issues with that | 14:56 |
| holstein | i have the issue on both all my 32bit installs | 14:56 |
| holstein | regaurdless of chip | 14:56 |
| xyclo_ | I think I will switch to 64 bit soon anyway | 14:56 |
| holstein | lol | 14:56 |
| holstein | both all ;) | 14:56 |
| xyclo_ | no problems on that one, right? | 14:56 |
| holstein | just all my installs* | 14:57 |
| AutoStatic | "Driver installation required to access more I/O" You could interpret that in different ways | 14:57 |
| holstein | xyclo_: different problems | 14:57 |
| xyclo_ | of course | 14:57 |
| holstein | i cant get lightscribe in 32bit | 14:57 |
| holstein | i cant get lightscribe in 64bit* | 14:57 |
| holstein | other than that, 64 is working great for me | 14:57 |
| ailo_at | AutoStatic: Well, I was most concerned with 16 bit. And it seems like very few, or no devices support that many channels. | 14:58 |
| S2Do | Autostatic, well the new version has a switch to get rid of that but I hadn't use it as it worked out of the box. Maybe I had a defective unit. | 14:58 |
| ailo_at | By "that many channels" I mean, something like 8 I/O | 14:58 |
| holstein | the firepod is so reasonably priced | 14:59 |
| holstein | used too | 14:59 |
| holstein | and out of the box | 14:59 |
| ailo_at | Anyway, it would be nice to confirm that you guys actually get 24 bit operation. How do you tell? | 14:59 |
| holstein | hell, the saphire pro40 is cheap too | 14:59 |
| holstein | more bang for the buck than the firepod | 14:59 |
| holstein | IF you can go firewire | 15:00 |
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| AutoStatic | ailo_at: I can use my UA25 at 96Khz 24bits | 15:00 |
| AutoStatic | But only to record or to capture, not full duplex | 15:00 |
| holstein | ua25 is tiny too | 15:00 |
| ailo_at | AutoStatic: The device sets the I/O automatically when you use those settings? | 15:01 |
| holstein | looks sturdy | 15:01 |
| * ailo_at should get a device and find out for myself :) | 15:02 | |
| holstein | AutoStatic: whats up with that comp/limit ? | 15:02 |
| holstein | is that on the pre's | 15:02 |
| holstein | on the way in? | 15:02 |
| AutoStatic | ailo_at: No you have to select it with a dipswitch on the back opf the unit | 15:02 |
| holstein | AutoStatic or S2Do ^^ | 15:02 |
| AutoStatic | holstein: that's a UA25EX feature ;) | 15:03 |
| holstein | i have comp on a preamp here | 15:03 |
| holstein | i think its handy to have a little hardware comp on the way in to the box | 15:04 |
| xyclo | true about hardware comp on the pre | 15:04 |
| xyclo | Has anybody tried the dbx preamp with comp and spdif? | 15:05 |
| xyclo | 376 I think... | 15:05 |
| xyclo | I am so curious about it | 15:06 |
| holstein | http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/376/?gclid=COyWk5_2h6cCFUeW7QodLlPUdg | 15:06 |
| xyclo | right, that one | 15:07 |
| xyclo | I need to go listen to it :) | 15:07 |
| holstein | looks cool | 15:07 |
| holstein | who knows | 15:07 |
| holstein | i have http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Eureka | 15:07 |
| holstein | i like it | 15:07 |
| xyclo | The 386 seems cool too | 15:07 |
| xyclo | The Eureka! nice | 15:07 |
| xyclo | I think on the 376 you pay a fee for the spdif out | 15:08 |
| xyclo | The Eureka seems like a better strip though | 15:08 |
| S2Do | holstein, it has two type of compression; one for short attack (suitable for vocals) and one for long attack, suitable for instruments. | 15:08 |
| xyclo | nice | 15:08 |
| xyclo | hw tends to be one trick pony, so versatility is great | 15:09 |
| holstein | alright, gotta run... BBL | 15:09 |
| S2Do | holstain, I tried the second type once but I'd rather add that later in the mix. | 15:09 |
| holstein | S2Do: yeah, thats the thing, you get stuck with it :/ | 15:09 |
| holstein | anyways... o/ | 15:10 |
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