[01:24] <bstarek> Hello guys, i was wondering what happened to the dropdown menus like "accessories, networking,system..." and so on???
[01:24] <bstarek> wasnt the old ubuntu more organized?
[01:31] <bstarek> anybody here???
[01:33] <penguin42> sorry, I just don't know a good answer
[01:35] <bstarek> penguin42, so there is none? the menu disappeared?
[01:35] <penguin42> bstarek: Looks like it, but I've gone to the Classic desktop
[01:35] <bstarek> penguin42, u like it better??
[01:35] <penguin42> well I'm used to it and it works - so hohum
[01:35] <bstarek> penguin42, its still in dev anyway right?
[01:36] <penguin42> yeh
[01:36] <bstarek> penguin42, I hope they include it!!
[01:36] <bstarek> anyway thanks for answerinf
[01:36] <bstarek> g
[01:37] <bstarek> exit
[01:37] <bstarek> oops
[02:07] <bp0> in the ubuntu alpha installer the location thing is crazy messed up
[02:08] <bp0> I don't know where its getting the locations from, but its really low quality results
[04:03] <strycore> hey there
[04:04] <strycore> would there be anyone with a natty alpha-1 iso and willing to share it via http/ftp/torrent/whatever ?
[04:07] <gpc> strycore: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1#Download%20the%20Alpha%201
[04:08] <strycore> gpc, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-1/ returns a 404 error :(  alpha-1 got erased from the servers and replaced with alpha-2
[04:09] <strycore> and alpha-2 is incompatible with nvidia drivers
[04:09] <rww> it's not on torrent.ubuntu.com either, I think
[04:10] <strycore> nope, only alpha-2
[04:11] <strycore> there was one on ThePirateBay but it got no seeds
[04:12] <strycore> guess I'm doomed to wait for nvidia to release their drivers then ...
[04:13] <bjsnider> "doomed" might be a bit of an inappropriate word to use in this context
[04:13] <bjsnider> your computer will not explode and kill you if you do not get natty on it right this minute
[04:14] <rww> It may explode if you do get natty on it.
[04:14] <rww> I think we used to have a factoid to that effect during an earlier cycle... ;)
[04:14] <strycore> i know, i know, but i'm not used running on stable releases *that* long
[05:50] <Adys> apparently nvidia uploaded 270.26 a few hours ago. any idea if it works with most recent xorg stack?
[05:50] <Adys> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/270.26/
[05:51] <Adys> theres no changelog
[10:53] <Zuhaitz> Hi.
[10:54] <Zuhaitz> I am experiencing problems with 11.04
[10:54] <Zuhaitz> Unity crashes many times.
[11:00] <susundberg> Well you have to provide some more information more than that
[11:02] <Zuhaitz> I cant, I dont know the reason.
[11:03] <Zuhaitz> The WM crashes and then, I have to restart GDM in a TTY
[11:03] <susundberg> WM crashes while doing what? Is it clear pattern?
[11:03] <susundberg> Is there something on the logs?
[11:04] <Zuhaitz> What log?
[11:04] <Zuhaitz> /var/log/what? :)
[11:04] <susundberg> $HOME/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg
[11:04] <susundberg> and i does unity have one of its own?
[11:05] <susundberg> See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity
[11:06] <susundberg> (thats all i can say, sorry -- i am not familiar with unity)
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> (nautilus:3271): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_value_free: assertion `value != NULL' failed
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> ** (nm-applet:3280): DEBUG: foo_client_state_changed_cb
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> ** (gnome-screensaver:3365): WARNING **: screensaver already running in this session
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> ** (nm-applet:3280): DEBUG: foo_client_state_changed_cb
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> system-config-printer-applet: failed to start PrinterDriversInstaller service: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.155" is not allowed to own the service "com.redhat.PrinterDriversInstaller" due to security policies in the configuration file
[11:09] <Zuhaitz> Dont see more errors
[11:20] <strycore> For those wondering about the new nvidia driver that was released today (270.26), tried it and no it's not compatible with the new Xorg stack
[11:25] <Zuhaitz> When Ubuntu will have a 2.0 OpenGl support?
[11:29] <susundberg> strycore: good to know!
[11:30] <strycore> maybe a second opinion would be good, but I tried all the ignoreABI stuff, and no luck for me
[11:49] <zlatan> hi to all...I installed 3D experimental driver and now I only get screen with wallpaper and nothing else...I have also Debian on PC...can I fix this problem with Debian and mounting on Ubuntu partition
[11:51] <zlatan> any suggestion?
[12:25] <Raylton> hi... someone know if unite 2d is in repository ubuntu or is make pre installed ?
[12:25] <Djlbert> Does anyone know if it is possible to calibrate joysticks in ubuntu because jscalibrator was removed from the repo
[12:29] <Raylton> hi
[12:29] <Raylton> someone cam help me
[12:29] <Raylton> ?
[12:30] <Raylton> *can
[13:18] <MTecknology> I have no idea what happened... but it seems that when I boot my server now I get as far as 'Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done.' and it just hangs
[13:18] <MTecknology> It doesn't even go further when trying to use the recovery option.... any ideas why?...
[13:18] <jpds> You're runnning a server with Natty?
[13:20] <MTecknology> jpds: of course; that's what I'm running on all of my servers :D
[13:20] <MTecknology> and laptops
[13:20] <Pici> There were some plymouth updates recently.
[13:20] <MTecknology> I didn't even update the system in the last 2 weeks
[13:21] <MTecknology> hm... an older kernel let me finally get into recovery mode; and it seems there's a kernel update..
[13:26] <MTecknology> alrighty... getting updates seems to have made it work again- thanks :)
[13:26] <MTecknology> jpds: so.. why wouldn't you run natty on a server yet?
[13:26] <MTecknology> I've been doing it for about 3 months now
[13:26] <jpds> MTecknology: I like sanity and stablity.
[13:27] <MTecknology> how are you supposed to be a good admin with your sanity intact?
[13:28] <jpds> I'll find a way.
[13:29] <penguin42> for a server I'd stick to an LTS unless it was just a home machine
[13:30] <MTecknology> nothing I run is production for a company; just my websites, irc, some nginx websites, a bot for a few nginx, ubuntu, and other channels
[13:30] <MTecknology> nothing that anyone will cry over except me if gone
[14:01] <espen77_> hmm....having problems getting a2 or daily iso, the file i get is from 22.dec.2010 for both a2 link and daily, also md5 dont match...
[14:03] <espen77_> anyone know a reason why "wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso" would give an old file?
[14:05] <patdk-wk> espen77_, you put yourself behind a bad caching server?
[14:05] <patdk-wk> cause it's not, it's current
[14:06] <espen77_> does the wrate fw of china count? am currently in bijing.
[14:06] <espen77_> *grate
[14:07] <patdk-wk> dunno
[14:07] <Pici> It might.
[14:08] <espen77_> guess i have to wait until i get back to eu to get a fresh iso
[14:08] <penguin42> espen77_: In that case it might be interesting to take a download there and when you're back compare the binary
[14:10] <espen77_> is it possible to get the md5sum file from 22 december 2010?
[14:10] <penguin42> doubt it
[14:11] <espen77_> aww...to bad....that is the date stamp on the iso
[14:18] <penguin42> hmph, pidgin crashed
[14:20]  * patdk-wk installs vulture to clean it up
[14:21] <penguin42> hehe
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> !info vulture > ActionParsnip
[16:12] <BluesKaj> do we nvidia users still have to use the nouveau driver if we upgrade to natty ?
[16:13] <penguin42> that's what I'm hearing from others; I'm an ATI guy
[16:15] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I was using natty , but the xorg files that got removed and upgrded broke my system so I had revert back to maverick ...just thought I'd check in to see if anything has changed.. Obviously not :(
[16:17] <Daekdroom> Where does network-manager store its log or messages or whatever?
[17:02] <genii-around> Yay, I'm on 11.04 with nvidia driver :)
[17:04] <Daekdroom> genii-around, how'd you do that? D:
[17:05] <yofel> hm, the X folks said that 270.26 doesn't work with natty either though..
[17:05] <genii-around> Daekdroom: I used the 270.18 driver off of the nvidia site ( 64 bit)
[17:06] <yofel> then you're lucky
[17:06] <gpc> that is cheating
[17:06] <yofel> as that doesn't work here
[17:06]  * gpc takes genii-around's coffee privs away
[17:07] <genii-around> gpc: Hah!
[17:09] <genii-around> I did have a helluva time getting it installed. I had to install nvidia-current which got nouveau out but it also removed important suff like ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop and so on. Then I installed the driver, rebooted to cli and installed ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop again
[17:12] <nemo> genii-around: oh hey...
[17:12] <nemo> genii-around: you're using nouveau?
[17:12] <genii-around> nemo: Not right now. I was before
[17:12] <nemo> ah. darn.
[17:12] <yofel> I use nouveau
[17:12] <nemo> yofel: mind running a test for me?
[17:13] <yofel> sure, what kind?
[17:13] <nemo> yofel: basically, the Firefox guys are trying to decide what Linux drivers won't crash when running certain opengl operations
[17:13] <nemo> yofel: Mesa in Maverick crashes on intel cards, doesn't in Natty
[17:13] <nemo> so they are determining versions and such
[17:13] <yofel> hard to say, I use firefox 4 daily find here  on my desktop
[17:13] <nemo> yofel: you using a nightly build or a beta?
[17:14] <yofel> the mozilla PPA daily builds
[17:14] <nemo> hmmm
[17:14] <nemo> wonder how close that is.
[17:14] <nemo> eh. probably close enough
[17:14] <yofel> 4.0~b12~hg20110215r62541+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[17:14] <yofel> is what I use
[17:14] <nemo> yofel: do you mind running MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox
[17:14] <nemo> oh
[17:14] <yofel> 4.0~b11+build3+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[17:14] <yofel> is what natty has
[17:15] <nemo> https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/tests/webgl-conformance-tests.html
[17:15] <nemo> then run that
[17:15] <nemo> and tell me if it crashes?
[17:16] <yofel> just crashed when opening the site
[17:16] <zlatan> hi...my natty can't connect to the internet...it's trying and trying but no result...once it showed me that my ath5 calibration went down or something like that?? How to make this work
[17:16] <nemo> you're serious
[17:16] <nemo> yofel: uh....
[17:16] <nemo> yofel: it shouldn't even load webgl.
[17:16] <nemo> until you click the start button
[17:16]  * yofel tries again
[17:17] <nemo> yofel: was that the only page you had open?
[17:18] <nemo> I guess it must have been if you had just restarted with ignore blacklist set
[17:18] <yofel> no, and I had errors in terminal, so let me try this differently
[17:18] <yofel> ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error); 4 requests ago: file /build/buildd/firefox-4.0-4.0~b12~hg20110215r62541+nobinonly/build-tree/mozilla/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 190
[17:18] <yofel> specifically
[17:18] <nemo> yofel: basically, I'm a big fan of webgl, and I want as many linux drivers as possible to be whitelisted
[17:19] <Daekdroom> yofel, I think that BadLenght issue was fixed in some recent package update.
[17:19] <om26er> natty daily ISO is not respecting any icon theme for the last few days, it defaults to gnome-icon-theme which package should be the bug in?
[17:20] <nemo> yofel: might ask you to rerun against a firefox nightly build off of ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/
[17:20] <yofel> Daekdroom: ah, nemo: it doesn't crash when opening the page without your setting though
[17:20] <nemo> if Daekdroom is right
[17:20] <Daekdroom> It's not a firefox issue, tho
[17:21] <yofel> I do have all updates installed
[17:21] <yofel> nemo: nope, if I set your variable, then firefox-4.0 crashes as soon as it opens the page
[17:21] <Daekdroom> yofel, http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/natty/+source/mesa/7.10-1ubuntu2
[17:22] <nemo> yofel: well. that's a shame
[17:22] <yofel>   Installed: 7.10-1ubuntu2
[17:22] <nemo> yofel: looks like right now at least, fglrx is safe (at least for my card, although fglrx still has crap Xrender support) and nvidia proprietary is
[17:22] <nemo> and intel is fine if using later versions of mesa
[17:22] <nemo> yofel: so looks like they might do a version check on that one in the blacklist
[17:23] <nemo> but nouveau apparently is fail
[17:23] <nemo> yofel: mind terribly trying a nightly?
[17:23] <nemo> see if it still crashes?
[17:23] <Daekdroom> yofel, what about xorg-server?
[17:23] <yofel> let me first restart X, maybe that will help
[17:23] <nemo> yofel: wonder if glxgears would crash :)
[17:24] <nemo> or hedgewars or some other opengl game
[17:24] <yofel> 1:7.6~3ubuntu4
[17:24] <Daekdroom> Wow. It still uses that version scheme?
[17:25] <Daekdroom> Because latest in NattyChanges says 2:1.9.99.901+git20110131.be3be758-0ubuntu4
[17:25] <yofel> *that* is xserver-xorg-core
[17:25] <zlatan> any suggestion on my problem?
[17:26] <nemo> zlatan: *shrug*  - anything in dmesg?
[17:26] <nemo> zlatan: does ifconfig -a show the device?
[17:26] <nemo> what *is* the device anyway?
[17:26] <zlatan> atheros wireless
[17:27] <zlatan> nemo, it connected when I installed it for few times for few minutes
[17:27] <zlatan> now it does not even do that
[17:27] <Daekdroom> zlatan, was there any update since?
[17:28] <yofel> ok, X restart didn't help, now let's see what your nightly does, I would be suprised if the outcome would be different though..
[17:28] <zlatan> Daekdroom, I installed it today and updated kernel to 2.6.38-3...nothing else
[17:28] <Daekdroom> yofel, ah, the bug report says those fixes didn't actually fix it =P
[17:28] <yofel> ah :S
[17:28] <Daekdroom> I'm pretty sure it is indeed #714280
[17:29] <Daekdroom> (which does not have anything to do with clutter at all, apparently)
[17:33] <yofel> nemo: as I thought, the nightly crashes too
[17:34] <Spirits-Sight> Does anyone know if the Nvida issue has been resolved?
[17:35] <yofel> still no working driver
[17:35] <Daekdroom> Interesting.
[17:36] <Daekdroom> I'm using xorg-edgers and my firefox didn't crash when running the WebGL tests
[17:36] <Daekdroom> That means the fix is somewhere upstream already.
[17:37] <nemo> yofel: without even pressing the start button for the test
[17:37] <yofel> I never got the time to do that
[17:38] <nemo> yofel: do you mind terribly opening, say, about:blank instead
[17:38] <nemo> then going to a simple webgl test page?
[17:39] <nemo> yofel: https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/google/shiny-teapot/index.html  for example
[17:39] <yofel> about:blank open
[17:41] <Spirits-Sight> I want to put back 11.04 alpha 2 however I am using a NVida card,  is there a way I can get it installed and not have problem booting into it with gettings like a checker screen with Lots of different sq?  I really really like it it was very stable intill right before release was made when it came display  how do I install the edger stuff before doing upgrade?
[17:42] <yofel> nemo: that only gives me http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/ffx_teapot.png
[17:45] <nemo> yofel: but it doesn't crash...
[17:45] <nemo> yofel: huh. but the webgl did not load
[17:45] <nemo> yofel: and you had MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 ?
[17:46] <yofel> yes
[17:46] <yofel> in the terminal I get "failed to create drawable"
[17:47] <yofel> if I click on the original demo link I get "This page requires the O3D plugin to be installed."
[17:47] <nemo> heh
[17:47] <nemo> O3D is what webgl is trying to avoid
[17:47] <nemo> kinda hard to do fun HTML5 in a plugin
[17:48] <nemo> hrm
[17:48] <nemo> yofel: oh wait. that one doesn't work for me either :D
[17:48] <nemo> might be out of date
[17:48] <nemo> (shader validation or something)
[17:48]  * nemo looks for a more recent one
[17:49] <yofel> ^^
[17:49] <nemo> oh wait
[17:49] <nemo> n/m
[17:49] <nemo> it does work for me
[17:50] <nemo> I'd just forgotten to start with MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1
[17:50] <nemo> fglrx still isn't whitelisted :(
[17:50] <nemo> yofel: does nouveau actually properly support GLES2??
[17:50] <nemo> oh well. looks like blacklist might be justified in your case :(
[17:50] <yofel> Spirits-Sight: my nvidia pc's work fine with nouveau, well, almost
[17:50] <yofel> nemo: that I don't know I fear
[17:58] <nemo> yofel: does stuff like glxgears work ok?
[17:59] <yofel> glxgears works fine
[17:59] <nemo> http://learningwebgl.com/cookbook/index.php/WebGL:_Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_about_security.3F
[17:59] <nemo> bleah
[18:00] <nemo> although, that implies it does work
[18:00] <nemo> just doesn't work *well*
[18:00] <nemo> yofel: oh. here's a simpler one :D   http://www.doesmybrowsersupportwebgl.com/
[18:01] <yofel> crash
[18:01]  * yofel blames mesa
[18:01] <nemo> nice
[18:01] <nemo> yofel: but you're on natty
[18:01] <yofel> bug 714280 was about natty I think
[18:01] <nemo> yofel: anyway. the webgl guy at firefox would *love* it if you could get some proper debug info
[18:01] <nemo> so he could file a mesa bug
[18:02] <nemo> yofel: would involve you doing a firefox build though...
[18:02] <yofel> meh, ubottu's gone too :S
[18:02] <nemo> I'd be happy to walk you through what he asked me to do
[18:02] <om26er> did anyone try a recent natty ISO and saw broken icons?
[18:04] <yofel> nemo: as I'm not the only one that get's this error in natty, maybe you should wait until it's fixed first
[18:05] <nemo> yofel: so there's a proper upstream bug already?
[18:05] <StaRetji> Folks, what would be the lowest kernel to work with Natty Narwhal ?
[18:06] <nemo> yofel: did you see how simple the doesmybrowsersupportwebgl.com page is? :)
[18:07] <nemo> pet peeve. people who use innerHTML for text strings.
[18:07] <StaRetji> I have to downgrade the kernel because of dahdi and fxs driver which doesn't work properly with latest kernels
[18:07] <yofel> nemo: I meant https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-1.0/+bug/714280
[18:07] <yofel> no.. not fixed
[18:07] <StaRetji> I now that kernel 2.6.31 works well, so will this kernel work with natty?
[18:07] <StaRetji> now=know*
[18:08] <ikonia> StaRetji: no
[18:08] <StaRetji> what would be lowest kernel?
[18:08] <StaRetji> thx, ikonia
[18:09] <yofel> nemo: yes, the page seems very simple, and if I don't ignore the blacklist I get a *big* Nay ;)
[18:09] <ikonia> StaRetji: the one that ships with natty
[18:09] <ikonia> StaRetji: that would be the lowest
[18:09] <nemo> yofel: well. here's hoping that the mesa bug gets fixed soon
[18:10] <nemo> yofel: so that FF4 final can support nouveau/mesa in Natty
[18:12] <StaRetji> hm, I've downgraded to 2.6.36 so if that's the lowest I don't have other option but to go and get drunk lol
[18:12] <ikonia> StaRetji: why do you not use the kernel natty provides
[18:12] <nemo> wheee. my natty laptop appears to have hung on suspend
[18:12] <nemo> again
[18:15] <StaRetji> ikonia: because of custom fxs drivers are not working properly with latest kernels
[18:15] <ikonia> StaRetji: ok, so log a bug for it rather than break your whole machine with a kernel change
[18:15] <StaRetji> project owner just told me it works well with 2.6.36
[18:16] <StaRetji> sorry, 2.6.31
[18:16] <StaRetji> ikonia: he can't do it, he is aware of the bug
[18:16] <yofel> that is a bit very old compared to 2.6.38..
[18:16] <nemo> :( doesn't even respond to magic sysrq. bleah
[18:16] <StaRetji> ikonia: anyway, thx for the info, I'm giving up
[18:17]  * nemo sighs and powers it off
[20:08] <penguin42> bah
[20:08] <guntbert> ?
[20:08] <penguin42> went out for a few hours and my desktop machine seems to have decided to go to power saving or something and then oopsed when I came back
[20:11] <guntbert> I feel with you ... for a few days I have exactly that problem on an erstwhile stable 10.10 (after tasksel desaster)
[20:16] <blueyed> Is "aptitude safe-upgrade" running havoc for you, too? Like "offen: 337699; geschlossen: 115455; zurückgestellt: 68; Konflikte: 94" ?
[20:24] <guntbert> blueyed: I didn't try
[20:25] <yofel> blueyed: that's a lot, but no, it does give me a reasonable solution for my held packages
[20:25] <yofel> what's pending to be updated?
[20:30] <blueyed> yofel: thanks for your interest! ツ - it aborted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/567457/
[20:30] <blueyed> looks like an infinite loop.
[20:37] <yofel> hm, looks like it..
[20:38] <blueyed> yofel: do you have an upgraded system?
[20:39] <yofel> yes, a few things are held back, but safe-upgrade simply skips those
[20:39] <yofel> I did see safe-upgrade running out of ideas if the list of things to upgrade is huge
[20:40] <blueyed> I see. My safe-upgrade crashes though apparently. Too bad.
[20:40] <blueyed> Can you pastebin a list of your held back things?
[20:40] <blueyed> just like what s-u would skip?
[20:46] <yofel> here it's openarena currently, on another system it was ubuntone-client-tools
[20:46] <yofel> just run aptitude interactively and check what you have under Upgradable Packages
[20:57] <penguin42> hmph, another pidgin crash
[21:29] <BUGabundo> anyone else having probs with freenode SSL?
[21:30] <guntbert> BUGabundo: plenty of reports in #freenode atm
[21:30] <guntbert> there is a ddos running
[21:30] <guntbert> (it seems)
[21:31] <BUGabundo> (2011-02-15 21:30:46) marienz: at least one of our servers currently has ssl issues
[21:31] <BUGabundo> (2011-02-15 21:31:15) marienz: I currently recommend explicitly picking a working server (just pick at random from http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml until you hit one that works, most of them still do)
[21:43] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:44] <blueyed> BUGabundo: very good evening to you!
[22:07] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: Hello
[22:07] <charlie-tca> appears to be a DDos attack
[22:08] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Freenode connectivity?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> hi
[22:09] <charlie-tca> [Global Notice] Hi everyone. You will have possibly noticed some instability on the network earlier this evening. The network is under a sustained DDoS and so lag and possible further splits are to be expected. We apologise for the inconvenience - our fantastic sponsorship and infra teams are working to minimise the further impact. Have a nice evening!
[22:09] <BUGabundo> anyone looking at this?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/never-miss-notifyosd-notification-with.html
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Isn't that freenode?
[22:10] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Oh didn't see the notice; but I've had a few disconnects
[22:11] <charlie-tca> I only saw it because it blocked some stuff I was trying to use when the notification bubble came up
[22:12] <charlie-tca> well, didn't mean to make him go away :-(
[22:13] <penguin42> hmph
[22:13] <penguin42> pidgin is crashing a lot on natty to me today - I hope it's just a DDoS and nothing nastier
[22:15] <BUGabundo> penguin42: got a freeze too
[22:20] <BUGabundo> can't get Recent Notifications to start :(
[22:20] <penguin42> oh great, at least one of these pidgin backtraces has libdbusmenu-gtk in it - sigh
[22:20] <penguin42> don't even use the damn thing
[22:20] <jadams> any idea when nvidia will be unbroken on natty for proprietary drivers?
[22:21] <penguin42> jadams: I suspect that's down to Nvidia
[22:21] <jadams> alternatively, any info on how to downgrade my X 'safely' so i can use the driver in natty?
[22:21] <penguin42> you can't
[22:21] <bjsnider> jadams, nvidia released a new blob today that is still not compatible with the new x-server
[22:21] <bjsnider> quite a bizarre series of events
[22:22] <penguin42> bjsnider: Might have been compatible with last weeks?
[22:22] <bjsnider> no
[22:22] <bjsnider> they based it on the same incomplete x-server as the .18 blob
[22:22] <jadams> bjsnider, yeah, i just saw a post saying the latest beta still didn't work
[22:23] <bjsnider> doesn't make sense unless it's a mistake
[22:23] <penguin42> bjsnider: Maybe its a fix for something other than Ubuntu?
[22:24] <bjsnider> there's hardly any change worth noting
[22:24] <bjsnider> no idea why they bothered to release it at all
[22:56] <rmcbride> Sure you can downgrade it safely
[22:57] <rmcbride> it's not fun
[22:57] <rmcbride> there was a procedure on the forums taht I used. ... might have the link here one sec
[22:58] <Daekdroom> I think it'd be easier to install alpha2, install nvidia-current and then let all the xorg packages be held back
[22:59] <rmcbride> http://www1.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10457052
[22:59] <rmcbride> well yea holding back the packages is part of it
[22:59] <rmcbride> but it really didnt take very long (I edited teh script there to not download servers that I dont plan to use
[22:59] <Daekdroom> and AMD has just released 11.2
[23:00] <MTecknology> root@panther:/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages# synaptic
[23:00] <MTecknology> No protocol specified
[23:00] <MTecknology> (synaptic:10210): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[23:00] <MTecknology> fun....
[23:00] <MTecknology> and sorry for the paste; meant for one line
[23:00] <rmcbride> in my case I couldn't use nouveau is it didn't recognize my external display at all. my options were downgrade xorg or to run windows on my main laptop
[23:01] <rmcbride> could have reinstalled from alpha 2, but the downgrade took less time for that machine