=== cmagina is now known as cmagina-afk [01:24] Hello guys, i was wondering what happened to the dropdown menus like "accessories, networking,system..." and so on??? [01:24] wasnt the old ubuntu more organized? [01:31] anybody here??? [01:33] sorry, I just don't know a good answer [01:35] penguin42, so there is none? the menu disappeared? [01:35] bstarek: Looks like it, but I've gone to the Classic desktop [01:35] penguin42, u like it better?? [01:35] well I'm used to it and it works - so hohum [01:35] penguin42, its still in dev anyway right? [01:36] yeh [01:36] penguin42, I hope they include it!! [01:36] anyway thanks for answerinf [01:36] g [01:37] exit [01:37] oops [02:07] in the ubuntu alpha installer the location thing is crazy messed up [02:08] I don't know where its getting the locations from, but its really low quality results [04:03] hey there [04:04] would there be anyone with a natty alpha-1 iso and willing to share it via http/ftp/torrent/whatever ? [04:07] strycore: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1#Download%20the%20Alpha%201 [04:08] gpc, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-1/ returns a 404 error :( alpha-1 got erased from the servers and replaced with alpha-2 [04:09] and alpha-2 is incompatible with nvidia drivers [04:09] it's not on torrent.ubuntu.com either, I think [04:10] nope, only alpha-2 [04:11] there was one on ThePirateBay but it got no seeds [04:12] guess I'm doomed to wait for nvidia to release their drivers then ... [04:13] "doomed" might be a bit of an inappropriate word to use in this context [04:13] your computer will not explode and kill you if you do not get natty on it right this minute [04:14] It may explode if you do get natty on it. [04:14] I think we used to have a factoid to that effect during an earlier cycle... ;) [04:14] i know, i know, but i'm not used running on stable releases *that* long [05:50] apparently nvidia uploaded 270.26 a few hours ago. any idea if it works with most recent xorg stack? [05:50] ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/270.26/ [05:51] theres no changelog [10:53] Hi. [10:54] I am experiencing problems with 11.04 [10:54] Unity crashes many times. [11:00] Well you have to provide some more information more than that [11:02] I cant, I dont know the reason. [11:03] The WM crashes and then, I have to restart GDM in a TTY [11:03] WM crashes while doing what? Is it clear pattern? [11:03] Is there something on the logs? [11:04] What log? [11:04] /var/log/what? :) [11:04] $HOME/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg [11:04] and i does unity have one of its own? [11:05] See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity [11:06] (thats all i can say, sorry -- i am not familiar with unity) [11:09] (nautilus:3271): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_value_free: assertion `value != NULL' failed [11:09] ** (nm-applet:3280): DEBUG: foo_client_state_changed_cb [11:09] ** (gnome-screensaver:3365): WARNING **: screensaver already running in this session [11:09] ** (nm-applet:3280): DEBUG: foo_client_state_changed_cb [11:09] system-config-printer-applet: failed to start PrinterDriversInstaller service: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.155" is not allowed to own the service "com.redhat.PrinterDriversInstaller" due to security policies in the configuration file [11:09] Dont see more errors [11:20] For those wondering about the new nvidia driver that was released today (270.26), tried it and no it's not compatible with the new Xorg stack [11:25] When Ubuntu will have a 2.0 OpenGl support? [11:29] strycore: good to know! [11:30] maybe a second opinion would be good, but I tried all the ignoreABI stuff, and no luck for me [11:49] hi to all...I installed 3D experimental driver and now I only get screen with wallpaper and nothing else...I have also Debian on PC...can I fix this problem with Debian and mounting on Ubuntu partition [11:51] any suggestion? === brot_ is now known as brot [12:25] hi... someone know if unite 2d is in repository ubuntu or is make pre installed ? [12:25] Does anyone know if it is possible to calibrate joysticks in ubuntu because jscalibrator was removed from the repo [12:29] hi [12:29] someone cam help me [12:29] ? [12:30] *can === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:18] I have no idea what happened... but it seems that when I boot my server now I get as far as 'Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done.' and it just hangs [13:18] It doesn't even go further when trying to use the recovery option.... any ideas why?... [13:18] You're runnning a server with Natty? [13:20] jpds: of course; that's what I'm running on all of my servers :D [13:20] and laptops [13:20] There were some plymouth updates recently. [13:20] I didn't even update the system in the last 2 weeks [13:21] hm... an older kernel let me finally get into recovery mode; and it seems there's a kernel update.. [13:26] alrighty... getting updates seems to have made it work again- thanks :) [13:26] jpds: so.. why wouldn't you run natty on a server yet? [13:26] I've been doing it for about 3 months now [13:26] MTecknology: I like sanity and stablity. [13:27] how are you supposed to be a good admin with your sanity intact? [13:28] I'll find a way. [13:29] for a server I'd stick to an LTS unless it was just a home machine [13:30] nothing I run is production for a company; just my websites, irc, some nginx websites, a bot for a few nginx, ubuntu, and other channels [13:30] nothing that anyone will cry over except me if gone [14:01] hmm....having problems getting a2 or daily iso, the file i get is from 22.dec.2010 for both a2 link and daily, also md5 dont match... [14:03] anyone know a reason why "wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso" would give an old file? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:05] espen77_, you put yourself behind a bad caching server? [14:05] cause it's not, it's current [14:06] does the wrate fw of china count? am currently in bijing. [14:06] *grate [14:07] dunno [14:07] It might. [14:08] guess i have to wait until i get back to eu to get a fresh iso [14:08] espen77_: In that case it might be interesting to take a download there and when you're back compare the binary [14:10] is it possible to get the md5sum file from 22 december 2010? [14:10] doubt it [14:11] aww...to bad....that is the date stamp on the iso [14:18] hmph, pidgin crashed [14:20] * patdk-wk installs vulture to clean it up [14:21] hehe [14:24] !info vulture > ActionParsnip === Seldon is now known as Hardin_ [16:12] do we nvidia users still have to use the nouveau driver if we upgrade to natty ? [16:13] that's what I'm hearing from others; I'm an ATI guy [16:15] penguin42, I was using natty , but the xorg files that got removed and upgrded broke my system so I had revert back to maverick ...just thought I'd check in to see if anything has changed.. Obviously not :( [16:17] Where does network-manager store its log or messages or whatever? [17:02] Yay, I'm on 11.04 with nvidia driver :) [17:04] genii-around, how'd you do that? D: [17:05] hm, the X folks said that 270.26 doesn't work with natty either though.. [17:05] Daekdroom: I used the 270.18 driver off of the nvidia site ( 64 bit) [17:06] then you're lucky [17:06] that is cheating [17:06] as that doesn't work here [17:06] * gpc takes genii-around's coffee privs away [17:07] gpc: Hah! [17:09] I did have a helluva time getting it installed. I had to install nvidia-current which got nouveau out but it also removed important suff like ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop and so on. Then I installed the driver, rebooted to cli and installed ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop again [17:12] genii-around: oh hey... [17:12] genii-around: you're using nouveau? [17:12] nemo: Not right now. I was before [17:12] ah. darn. [17:12] I use nouveau [17:12] yofel: mind running a test for me? [17:13] sure, what kind? [17:13] yofel: basically, the Firefox guys are trying to decide what Linux drivers won't crash when running certain opengl operations [17:13] yofel: Mesa in Maverick crashes on intel cards, doesn't in Natty [17:13] so they are determining versions and such [17:13] hard to say, I use firefox 4 daily find here on my desktop [17:13] yofel: you using a nightly build or a beta? [17:14] the mozilla PPA daily builds [17:14] hmmm [17:14] wonder how close that is. [17:14] eh. probably close enough [17:14] 4.0~b12~hg20110215r62541+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 [17:14] is what I use [17:14] yofel: do you mind running MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 firefox [17:14] oh [17:14] 4.0~b11+build3+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 [17:14] is what natty has [17:15] https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/tests/webgl-conformance-tests.html [17:15] then run that [17:15] and tell me if it crashes? [17:16] just crashed when opening the site [17:16] hi...my natty can't connect to the internet...it's trying and trying but no result...once it showed me that my ath5 calibration went down or something like that?? How to make this work [17:16] you're serious [17:16] yofel: uh.... [17:16] yofel: it shouldn't even load webgl. === cmagina is now known as cmagina-lunch [17:16] until you click the start button [17:16] * yofel tries again [17:17] yofel: was that the only page you had open? [17:18] I guess it must have been if you had just restarted with ignore blacklist set [17:18] no, and I had errors in terminal, so let me try this differently [17:18] ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error); 4 requests ago: file /build/buildd/firefox-4.0-4.0~b12~hg20110215r62541+nobinonly/build-tree/mozilla/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 190 [17:18] specifically [17:18] yofel: basically, I'm a big fan of webgl, and I want as many linux drivers as possible to be whitelisted [17:19] yofel, I think that BadLenght issue was fixed in some recent package update. [17:19] natty daily ISO is not respecting any icon theme for the last few days, it defaults to gnome-icon-theme which package should be the bug in? [17:20] yofel: might ask you to rerun against a firefox nightly build off of ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ [17:20] Daekdroom: ah, nemo: it doesn't crash when opening the page without your setting though [17:20] if Daekdroom is right [17:20] It's not a firefox issue, tho [17:21] I do have all updates installed [17:21] nemo: nope, if I set your variable, then firefox-4.0 crashes as soon as it opens the page [17:21] yofel, http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/natty/+source/mesa/7.10-1ubuntu2 [17:22] yofel: well. that's a shame [17:22] Installed: 7.10-1ubuntu2 [17:22] yofel: looks like right now at least, fglrx is safe (at least for my card, although fglrx still has crap Xrender support) and nvidia proprietary is [17:22] and intel is fine if using later versions of mesa [17:22] yofel: so looks like they might do a version check on that one in the blacklist [17:23] but nouveau apparently is fail [17:23] yofel: mind terribly trying a nightly? [17:23] see if it still crashes? [17:23] yofel, what about xorg-server? [17:23] let me first restart X, maybe that will help [17:23] yofel: wonder if glxgears would crash :) [17:24] or hedgewars or some other opengl game [17:24] 1:7.6~3ubuntu4 [17:24] Wow. It still uses that version scheme? [17:25] Because latest in NattyChanges says 2:1.9.99.901+git20110131.be3be758-0ubuntu4 [17:25] *that* is xserver-xorg-core [17:25] any suggestion on my problem? [17:26] zlatan: *shrug* - anything in dmesg? [17:26] zlatan: does ifconfig -a show the device? [17:26] what *is* the device anyway? [17:26] atheros wireless [17:27] nemo, it connected when I installed it for few times for few minutes [17:27] now it does not even do that [17:27] zlatan, was there any update since? [17:28] ok, X restart didn't help, now let's see what your nightly does, I would be suprised if the outcome would be different though.. [17:28] Daekdroom, I installed it today and updated kernel to 2.6.38-3...nothing else [17:28] yofel, ah, the bug report says those fixes didn't actually fix it =P [17:28] ah :S [17:28] I'm pretty sure it is indeed #714280 [17:29] (which does not have anything to do with clutter at all, apparently) [17:33] nemo: as I thought, the nightly crashes too [17:34] Does anyone know if the Nvida issue has been resolved? [17:35] still no working driver [17:35] Interesting. [17:36] I'm using xorg-edgers and my firefox didn't crash when running the WebGL tests [17:36] That means the fix is somewhere upstream already. [17:37] yofel: without even pressing the start button for the test [17:37] I never got the time to do that [17:38] yofel: do you mind terribly opening, say, about:blank instead [17:38] then going to a simple webgl test page? [17:39] yofel: https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/google/shiny-teapot/index.html for example [17:39] about:blank open [17:41] I want to put back 11.04 alpha 2 however I am using a NVida card, is there a way I can get it installed and not have problem booting into it with gettings like a checker screen with Lots of different sq? I really really like it it was very stable intill right before release was made when it came display how do I install the edger stuff before doing upgrade? [17:42] nemo: that only gives me http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/ffx_teapot.png [17:45] yofel: but it doesn't crash... [17:45] yofel: huh. but the webgl did not load [17:45] yofel: and you had MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 ? [17:46] yes [17:46] in the terminal I get "failed to create drawable" [17:47] if I click on the original demo link I get "This page requires the O3D plugin to be installed." [17:47] heh [17:47] O3D is what webgl is trying to avoid [17:47] kinda hard to do fun HTML5 in a plugin [17:48] hrm [17:48] yofel: oh wait. that one doesn't work for me either :D [17:48] might be out of date [17:48] (shader validation or something) [17:48] * nemo looks for a more recent one [17:49] ^^ [17:49] oh wait [17:49] n/m [17:49] it does work for me [17:50] I'd just forgotten to start with MOZ_GLX_IGNORE_BLACKLIST=1 [17:50] fglrx still isn't whitelisted :( [17:50] yofel: does nouveau actually properly support GLES2?? [17:50] oh well. looks like blacklist might be justified in your case :( [17:50] Spirits-Sight: my nvidia pc's work fine with nouveau, well, almost [17:50] nemo: that I don't know I fear === cmagina-lunch is now known as cmagina === cmagina is now known as cmagina-afk [17:58] yofel: does stuff like glxgears work ok? [17:59] glxgears works fine [17:59] http://learningwebgl.com/cookbook/index.php/WebGL:_Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_about_security.3F [17:59] bleah [18:00] although, that implies it does work [18:00] just doesn't work *well* [18:00] yofel: oh. here's a simpler one :D http://www.doesmybrowsersupportwebgl.com/ [18:01] crash [18:01] * yofel blames mesa [18:01] nice [18:01] yofel: but you're on natty [18:01] bug 714280 was about natty I think [18:01] yofel: anyway. the webgl guy at firefox would *love* it if you could get some proper debug info [18:01] so he could file a mesa bug [18:02] yofel: would involve you doing a firefox build though... [18:02] meh, ubottu's gone too :S [18:02] I'd be happy to walk you through what he asked me to do [18:02] did anyone try a recent natty ISO and saw broken icons? [18:04] nemo: as I'm not the only one that get's this error in natty, maybe you should wait until it's fixed first [18:05] yofel: so there's a proper upstream bug already? [18:05] Folks, what would be the lowest kernel to work with Natty Narwhal ? [18:06] yofel: did you see how simple the doesmybrowsersupportwebgl.com page is? :) [18:07] pet peeve. people who use innerHTML for text strings. [18:07] I have to downgrade the kernel because of dahdi and fxs driver which doesn't work properly with latest kernels [18:07] nemo: I meant https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-1.0/+bug/714280 [18:07] Ubuntu bug 714280 in mesa (Ubuntu) "The error was 'BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length erro'." [High,Fix released] [18:07] no.. not fixed [18:07] I now that kernel 2.6.31 works well, so will this kernel work with natty? [18:07] now=know* [18:08] StaRetji: no [18:08] what would be lowest kernel? [18:08] thx, ikonia [18:09] nemo: yes, the page seems very simple, and if I don't ignore the blacklist I get a *big* Nay ;) [18:09] StaRetji: the one that ships with natty [18:09] StaRetji: that would be the lowest [18:09] yofel: well. here's hoping that the mesa bug gets fixed soon [18:10] yofel: so that FF4 final can support nouveau/mesa in Natty [18:12] hm, I've downgraded to 2.6.36 so if that's the lowest I don't have other option but to go and get drunk lol [18:12] StaRetji: why do you not use the kernel natty provides [18:12] wheee. my natty laptop appears to have hung on suspend [18:12] again [18:15] ikonia: because of custom fxs drivers are not working properly with latest kernels [18:15] StaRetji: ok, so log a bug for it rather than break your whole machine with a kernel change [18:15] project owner just told me it works well with 2.6.36 [18:16] sorry, 2.6.31 [18:16] ikonia: he can't do it, he is aware of the bug [18:16] that is a bit very old compared to 2.6.38.. [18:16] :( doesn't even respond to magic sysrq. bleah [18:16] ikonia: anyway, thx for the info, I'm giving up [18:17] * nemo sighs and powers it off === Pici is now known as Guest30254 === AndrewMC is now known as Guest9080 === KB1JWQ_ is now known as Guest31496 === Guest30254 is now known as Pici === cmagina is now known as cmagina-meeting === cmagina-meeting is now known as cmagina === Guest31496 is now known as KB1JWQ === Mark_M is now known as Mark_M|Away [20:08] bah [20:08] ? [20:08] went out for a few hours and my desktop machine seems to have decided to go to power saving or something and then oopsed when I came back [20:11] I feel with you ... for a few days I have exactly that problem on an erstwhile stable 10.10 (after tasksel desaster) [20:16] Is "aptitude safe-upgrade" running havoc for you, too? Like "offen: 337699; geschlossen: 115455; zurückgestellt: 68; Konflikte: 94" ? [20:24] blueyed: I didn't try [20:25] blueyed: that's a lot, but no, it does give me a reasonable solution for my held packages [20:25] what's pending to be updated? [20:30] yofel: thanks for your interest! ツ - it aborted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/567457/ [20:30] looks like an infinite loop. [20:37] hm, looks like it.. [20:38] yofel: do you have an upgraded system? [20:39] yes, a few things are held back, but safe-upgrade simply skips those [20:39] I did see safe-upgrade running out of ideas if the list of things to upgrade is huge [20:40] I see. My safe-upgrade crashes though apparently. Too bad. [20:40] Can you pastebin a list of your held back things? [20:40] just like what s-u would skip? [20:46] here it's openarena currently, on another system it was ubuntone-client-tools [20:46] just run aptitude interactively and check what you have under Upgradable Packages [20:57] hmph, another pidgin crash === Mark_M|Away is now known as Mark_M === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell === Aranel_ is now known as Aranel === |Omega| is now known as Omega [21:29] anyone else having probs with freenode SSL? [21:30] BUGabundo: plenty of reports in #freenode atm [21:30] there is a ddos running [21:30] (it seems) [21:31] (2011-02-15 21:30:46) marienz: at least one of our servers currently has ssl issues [21:31] (2011-02-15 21:31:15) marienz: I currently recommend explicitly picking a working server (just pick at random from http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml until you hit one that works, most of them still do) [21:43] evening [21:44] BUGabundo: very good evening to you! [22:07] BUGabundo: Hello [22:07] appears to be a DDos attack [22:08] charlie-tca: Freenode connectivity? [22:09] hi [22:09] [Global Notice] Hi everyone. You will have possibly noticed some instability on the network earlier this evening. The network is under a sustained DDoS and so lag and possible further splits are to be expected. We apologise for the inconvenience - our fantastic sponsorship and infra teams are working to minimise the further impact. Have a nice evening! [22:09] anyone looking at this? [22:09] http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/never-miss-notifyosd-notification-with.html [22:09] Isn't that freenode? [22:10] charlie-tca: Oh didn't see the notice; but I've had a few disconnects [22:11] I only saw it because it blocked some stuff I was trying to use when the notification bubble came up [22:12] well, didn't mean to make him go away :-( [22:13] hmph [22:13] pidgin is crashing a lot on natty to me today - I hope it's just a DDoS and nothing nastier [22:15] penguin42: got a freeze too [22:20] can't get Recent Notifications to start :( [22:20] oh great, at least one of these pidgin backtraces has libdbusmenu-gtk in it - sigh [22:20] don't even use the damn thing [22:20] any idea when nvidia will be unbroken on natty for proprietary drivers? [22:21] jadams: I suspect that's down to Nvidia [22:21] alternatively, any info on how to downgrade my X 'safely' so i can use the driver in natty? [22:21] you can't [22:21] jadams, nvidia released a new blob today that is still not compatible with the new x-server [22:21] quite a bizarre series of events [22:22] bjsnider: Might have been compatible with last weeks? [22:22] no [22:22] they based it on the same incomplete x-server as the .18 blob [22:22] bjsnider, yeah, i just saw a post saying the latest beta still didn't work [22:23] doesn't make sense unless it's a mistake [22:23] bjsnider: Maybe its a fix for something other than Ubuntu? [22:24] there's hardly any change worth noting [22:24] no idea why they bothered to release it at all [22:56] Sure you can downgrade it safely [22:57] it's not fun [22:57] there was a procedure on the forums taht I used. ... might have the link here one sec [22:58] I think it'd be easier to install alpha2, install nvidia-current and then let all the xorg packages be held back [22:59] http://www1.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10457052 [22:59] well yea holding back the packages is part of it [22:59] but it really didnt take very long (I edited teh script there to not download servers that I dont plan to use [22:59] and AMD has just released 11.2 [23:00] root@panther:/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages# synaptic [23:00] No protocol specified [23:00] (synaptic:10210): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 [23:00] fun.... [23:00] and sorry for the paste; meant for one line [23:00] in my case I couldn't use nouveau is it didn't recognize my external display at all. my options were downgrade xorg or to run windows on my main laptop [23:01] could have reinstalled from alpha 2, but the downgrade took less time for that machine === Guest9080 is now known as AndrewMC