[07:39] good morning! [07:47] * jussi giggles at skaet's spelling: 2011-02-11 Ubuntu Release Meating Minutes [07:58] jussi: ha! yea.. it got me confused about the spelling for a sec ;) [08:00] Morning [08:01] morning kim0, dholbach [08:01] jussi: hey there [08:01] hey jussi [08:34] hola dpm [08:34] hey dholbach [08:36] I hate car repairs [08:36] I just came from the car repair shop, where I had to wait for an hour [08:36] just to leave the car there [08:36] :-/ [08:36] * dholbach hugs dpm [08:37] * dpm hugs dholbach :) [08:37] nevertheless, [08:37] good morning everyone!!! [08:39] dpm: good morning :) [08:39] * kim0 hates car repairs too [08:39] heya kim0 :) [08:42] dpm: lesson learned -> use bikes :p [08:43] nigelb, I do use the bike and metro in the city, but when I'm driving ~500km away for the weekend, I prefer to arrive there in the same day :) [08:50] dpm: haha [08:50] dpm: :) [08:50] ;) [10:22] morning [10:33] once again asia/oceana board couldn't meet without having a member fro another board to fill a 4th place. No sign of their members coming to meetings, is rather a poor sign [10:49] :( [10:52] if their members can't come how do they expect people to want to sign up to their meetings to become Ubuntu members [10:53] Its blocked at CC I think. There was a renewed call for nominations. [10:54] The nominations end on 25th I think [10:54] So by March there should be new members on the board [10:56] * nigelb looks at popey for confirmation [10:59] Is an IRC meeting essential or could something like that move to a moderated but still public mailing list? [10:59] head_victim: much longer and drawn out [10:59] head_victim: how do you decide when to vote [10:59] mails can get lost among other mails [11:00] czajkowski: ah fair enough, I figured if we just put ourselves up on the wiki for a vote and the board members just review our wiki applications and +1, 0 or -1. [11:00] head_victim: would be easier to create a bug makr it private and then public [11:00] But yeah, I haven't seen it working but just trying to see it from another angle (as a prospective member as well) [11:00] head_victim: the issue is if it's done on irc, you can ask questions based on comments mate [11:01] *made so a bit of interaction [11:01] That sounds better. [11:01] aye so there is a method to the madness/ [11:02] just be nice of this board could meet/work as it's frustraing [11:02] I've just found arbitrary times can be a pain (I'm in AU and in summer we have 5 timezones just in our one country) [11:02] head_victim: right tz are a pain in the ass [11:02] but if you've only to turn up once... I think one can make an exception [11:03] Yeah, just trying to brainstorm ideas [11:03] yup [11:03] ;) [11:04] That and I've seen how one or two people turn up and get hassled and feel for them [11:05] what do you mean hassled? [11:10] Well hassled probably is too strong a word but when quorum isn't reached obviously some people aren't happy [11:11] yup that is annoying alright. [11:21] czajkowski: if you want a wiki error bug I reported bug 701495 which AlanBell confirmed and got marked a dupe of bug 668530 [11:21] Launchpad bug 701495 in ubuntu-website "wiki.ubuntu.com 500 internal server error (dup-of: 668530)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701495 [11:21] Launchpad bug 668530 in ubuntu-website "Wiki - 500 Internal Server Error" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668530 [11:23] head_victim: you can talk in -meeting too :) [11:23] head_victim: anyone can talk during the CC meeting [11:23] AH wasn't sure on policy/proceedure so just used here sorry. [11:23] head_victim: don't be sorry at least you know now. [11:23] Cheers [11:24] head_victim: popey and dholbach are on the CC I'm not. I'm just awake and reading the channel atm [11:24] czajkowski, thanks a lot for that [11:24] I like to lurk in -meeting, nice to see what others are up to [11:24] dholbach: np. [11:24] And wikis are where I do most of my contributing so I know the 500 error pain [11:24] head_victim: yup good idea, just know you can talk in there as well, just careful which meeting as some of the platform ones are very organised and drill like [11:25] Yeah, most of the time it's just scrollback, I try not to interfere too much but I actually had something useful for a change. [11:42] morning all [11:43] hey duanedesign [11:49] hello nigelb [12:58] morning [12:59] hiya mhall119 [12:59] hi Pendulum [13:12] o/ [14:37] cjohnston, \o/ [14:37] :) [14:41] hey JFo [14:44] hey buddy [14:45] how goes? [14:45] Get to see you tonight it sounds like [14:45] yep, I'll be there [14:45] it's not bad. I just keep getting mired in bugs [14:46] Your the man... so thats why you get all the bugs [14:47] yeah right :) [14:47] cjohnston: yo [14:47] cjohnston: did you get a review on that form fix? [14:48] jcastro: we need info about the DB backend [14:48] ok [14:48] trying to find Daviey [14:48] Daviey: ping [14:49] jcastro: if we get the current trunk pushed live, then the form will go away, and then we will have time to work on the 3000 char [14:50] well [14:50] if we announce this week then we might as well just leave it open the one more day but fix the 3k thing [14:50] Noone told me we were gonna announce this week [14:50] I was just told [14:51] lol [14:51] *grin* [14:51] but no biggie [14:51] * czajkowski gives jcastro a large pint of beer [14:51] I'm going to have to go and have 2489374875 people PM me to delete their application anyway [14:52] jcastro, o/ [14:52] cjohnston, o/ [14:52] there he is [14:52] Daviey: we need a few fixes so we can go live [14:52] Daviey: we need info about the summit db.. [14:53] cjohnston, what info? [14:53] Daviey: does this need a migration: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/718794/+merge/49713 [14:54] and/or should we change from a CharField to a TextField? [14:56] looking [14:57] ty [14:57] TextField would make more sense IMO [14:58] cjohnston, seems to be academic anyway [14:58] further_info text NOT NULL [15:04] is further_info a required field? [15:07] jcastro: ^ [15:07] ok so what does that mean in english? [15:08] oh, do we need the field? [15:08] yes [15:08] hmm.. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/sponsorship/ [15:08] for some reason right now it doesnt exist [15:08] so till now what we entered there went no where? [15:09] how depressing [15:09] that was a feature [15:09] lol [15:09] it is feel good computing [15:09] btw, did anyone see http://www.nokiaplana.com/ ? [15:10] there is now b,c,d,e,f,g... [15:10] cjohnston: what do you mean doesn't exist? [15:10] I like plan g. Partner with ubuntu [15:10] http://www.nokiaplang.com/ [15:10] I see an "About you" field, but not a further info field.. [15:11] cjohnston, yeah, so a migration shouldn't be need [15:11] ed [15:12] I see a further_info in my db. [15:12] Right.. but look at the actual form nigelb [15:13] cjohnston: you generall see that after clicking submit on the first form [15:13] Plsae se above mentioned depression :P [15:14] Daviey: if it doesnt need one, and leaving a charfield is ok, then the merge is ready to be done and pushed live [15:14] akgraner: Ok, those Murphy's law quotes are awesome. [15:15] cjohnston, I don't have time right now to review... but if trunk is good to go, i could probably do a deployment today [15:15] mhall119: ^^ [15:16] * nigelb bribes mhall119 to review his 2 branches [15:16] nigelb, glad you liked them :-) [15:16] I'll be back in a bit.. time to go play on the ATVs [15:16] yay [15:16] akgraner: did you see the pictures from yesterday shooting? [15:17] nope - I've been under a rock the last few weeks [15:18] I'll look later - don't post the link here for me [15:18] :-) [15:18] Its on my FB akgraner [15:18] I'll look later [15:18] thanks [15:19] :-) [15:19] See you and your hubbs and JFo in a few hours! [15:19] :) [15:19] * mhall119 reads backlog [15:20] mhall119: We should recruit JFo to do all the kicking we both owe cjohnston :-P [15:20] I didn't do it [15:20] heh [15:20] I'm off [15:21] laters [15:21] Sigh. Gotta set up LDAP. I'm going to have a fun evening pulling my hair out. [15:22] nigelb: I'm sure JFo would be happy to accomodate us [15:22] \o/ [15:22] :) [15:23] Daviey: right now summit has CharFields with max_length=1000 [15:23] cjohnston's changes push that up to max_length=3000 [15:23] if those are varchar(1000) in the database, then we need a migration to convert them to varchar(3000) [15:23] but if they're Text of CLOB fields, we don't [15:24] so that was the question, what's the column definition in the production database [15:27] oh nevermind, digging into the code gives me the answer [15:28] the form uses CharField, but the model uses TextField [15:28] I tried saying that earlier, but I didn't realzie what the problem was. [15:29] nigelb: I have a question about your branch [15:29] mhall119: yes? [15:30] one second, let me finish with cjohnston's branch [15:30] lets move to -locoteams? [15:30] sure [15:31] I'm in #drupal, and they are constantly talking about a PHP function called dpm, so I'm constantly being pinged. I got the best on today, though " Nice, dpm is awesome" [15:31] not addressed to me though, but nice nevertheless :) [15:32] I think I'll stay on that channel [15:32] * czajkowski hugs dpm [15:32] * dpm hugs czajkowski :) [15:37] dpm: haha. You are awesome anyway :) [15:46] heh, I'm not sure :) I think anyway this assertion can be made about everyone on this channel [15:51] lol :) @dpm [15:53] hey jono [15:54] he jono! how are you doing? [15:54] hey dholbach, good thanks! you? [15:54] grrreat, thanks :) [16:08] dholbach: Had your Frosties this morning? [16:08] doctormo, yes, something like that :) [16:09] dholbach: Go get em tiger. [16:09] ROAR! [16:11] heh [16:15] lol [16:15] hehe! [16:23] anyone remember the name of the parental control program fagan was working on? [16:27] vish: is it on is lp page ? [16:28] ah! [16:28] * vish goes looking.. :) [16:28] vish: or poke him in -ie wher he idles [16:29] jcastro: ping [16:30] yo [16:30] lol! is is called "Parental control" :) https://launchpad.net/parental-control [16:30] It's merged in and ready [16:30] \o/ [16:30] czajkowski: thanks.. not sure where i had left my brain :) [16:30] crap, got the RT handy? [16:30] vish: np [16:31] check your email :-P [16:31] one sec [16:31] I rarely see him online any more tbh [16:31] cjohnston: lol duh [16:31] it's sitting right on top [16:31] 16555 [16:35] jcastro: please watch and rewatch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9ymILflac0 :D [16:40] czajkowski: This video contains content from Sony Music Entertainment. It is not available in your country. [16:41] what he said [16:41] oh now you know how I feel wiht most content. [16:41] how odd though [16:41] jounrye [16:41] *journey [16:41] propper version [16:46] hehe! atleast someone blocks doctormo , that video is viewable from India ;p [16:53] ok my friends - have a great rest of your day! see you tomorrow! HUGS! [16:53] bye dholbach ! [16:53] bye cjohnston [16:56] vish: It's blocked in the USA [16:57] I hate it when Indians blame me for their country's ISP blocking. [16:57] ;p [16:57] doctormo: seems our government doesnt trust you enough ;) [16:58] Snot my IP-Address [16:58] *Ew* I just read Miguel's most recent blog post, I think I need another shower. [16:58] What is it about the smarmy git that just makes me want to punch him out. [16:59] Thank got I know him well enough to know it's just high grade ignorance. [16:59] doctormo: which one? [17:00] the nokia landscape ? [17:00] Oh the "mono" will be the programming language of the mobile world! [17:00] * vish reads.. [17:01] why does that make you want to punch him? [17:01] jcastro: The way he words things I think. [17:02] The dismembered personal morality doesn't help. The way he's always rooting for the over-dog, always the big guy should win and bully. Yea I don't like him much. [17:02] lol ok [17:03] you're not making any sense [17:03] +2 [17:03] jcastro: Maybe you need to meet the guy. [17:04] I've met him plenty of times [17:04] cjohnston: ok try now [17:05] jcastro: And he didn't call you names? I suspect you didn't really meet him ;-) [17:05] ... [17:05] I think you just hate the guy [17:06] We (Ubuntu UK Podcast) have asked RMS for an interview. [17:06] His demands:- [17:06] jcastro: Absolutely. [17:06] 1) we refer to GNU/Linux, not Linux [17:06] 2) we refer to Free Software, not Open Source [17:07] 3) He be allowed to criticise Ubuntu [17:07] 4) We only release the show as Ogg, not mp3. [17:07] popey: RMS is hilarious, but only from a distance. [17:07] I am fine with 3) and am "meh" to 1) and 2), but 4) is just annoying. [17:07] popey: and what was decided.. ? [17:08] we haven't yet [17:08] hence why I brought it up [17:08] popey: want to test summit real quick? [17:08] might suggest to him that we release in Ogg format first, and mp3 later [17:08] sure jcastro , link me up [17:08] I'd solve 1) by not mentioning Linux at all, and demanding that Gnu or Linux not be mentioned. [17:08] popey: ok let me delete your old one [17:09] popey: http://summit.ubuntu.com and click sponsorships [17:10] calling it a day here, see you all tomorrow! [17:11] i see nothing called "sonsorships" [17:11] I see "Sponsorship" [17:11] :) [17:11] whatever [17:11] bah, joke fail [17:11] :) [17:11] heh [17:11] We are not currently accepting sponsorship applications for uds-o in Budapest, Hungary . Please check back again later! [17:11] popey: I would look at it with deeper meaning, how is RMS ontopic to an ubuntu podcast? [17:12] He's in the UK next month, figured he might be someone we could talk to [17:12] popey: IMO, (4) isnt too bad /unless/ you have strong reasons for wanting a mp3 podcast … if mp3 is just there for convenience , just humor him, and think that the Ogg to mp3 conversion for that podcast failed :) [17:12] we have talked to SUSE and Centos people [17:12] jcastro: I can't imagine he would do much more than vent about Ubuntu proprietary bits. [17:12] vish: at least 50% of our listeners download the MP4 version [17:12] *MP3 [17:12] I would be alienating at least 50% of the audience by not providing an MP3 download [17:13] jcastro: is that what you expected? the error message? [17:13] yeah [17:13] coolio [17:13] however I wanted you to try the expanded form [17:13] oh? [17:13] but I am figuring out how to turn it on [17:13] one moment [17:13] ok [17:14] +------------+ [17:14] |Standing By!| [17:14] +------------+ [17:16] sorry one sec, getting flamed on the internet [17:16] \o/ [17:16] popey: ok try now [17:16] in the about you form [17:16] paste a ton of crap [17:16] jcastro: http://www.xkcd.com/386/ [17:16] we upped the text from 1k to 3k [17:17] so I want to test that bit [17:17] popey: ^ [17:17] ok [17:17] lemme know when you're done and I'll put it back in locked mode [17:18] Ensure this value has at most 3000 characters (it has 18537). [17:18] ^ jcastro [17:19] ok [17:19] which is a shame because i submitted something nice :( [17:19] can you put in something over 1k? [17:19] popey: War and peace? [17:19] and see if it works? [17:19] or try to bring it under 3k [17:19] ok [17:19] ______________________ [17:19] < Jorge For President! > [17:19] ---------------------- [17:19] \ ^__^ [17:19] \ (oo)\_______ [17:19] (__)\ )\/\ [17:19] ||----w | [17:19] || || [17:19] :) [17:20] $apt-get jorge [17:20] done [17:20] ok [17:20] "We'll let you know whether or not your request has been accepted soon via email. [17:20] " [17:20] rock [17:20] ok all set [17:20] (that doesn't normally happen does it) ? [17:21] thanks dude [17:21] i.e. usually you only find out if you are sponsored? [17:21] unless something has changed [17:21] you find out both [17:21] ok, cool [17:21] If we get Jorge for President, Daviey need to be made a duke of something:) [17:21] Duke of Egg Consumption. [17:21] I was going to say Duke of Cadbury [17:22] s/Cadbury/Kraft/ [17:22] :( [17:25] popey: but that 50% could be because you have 2 options and a 50% split is not an obvious decider(without me knowing other info) .. its not necessary that /not/ having mp3 would prevent users from downloading the Ogg version.. audience might try to listen to the Ogg one.. has there been a drop in audience when mp3 was not available? [17:25] eitherway you would have an audience spike for an RMS interview and the loss of audience might be negligible :) [17:26] long and short is [17:26] we are _not_ stopping having mp3 downloads [17:26] end of :) [17:27] :) [17:27] we get a _lot_ of downloads from iTunes / iPhones [17:27] and they absolutely cannot download/play Oggs [17:27] I am not about to inconvenience half the audience - who have already embraced non-free software. [17:27] anyway, now, pub! [17:36] popey: presumably the interview would be a segment, not the full hour+ of banter [17:36] so edit it out of the MP3 version [17:36] and replace with 10 minutes of chicken noises [17:37] he's probably pubbed by now [17:37] I would be [17:37] he has scrollback [17:37] AlanBell: Knowing popey, he might just do that. [17:38] popey: pop round with the outside broadcast unit and interview my chickens with the same set of questions timed at the same intervals as the ogg version :) [17:41] mhall119, hey [17:42] hey jono [17:42] you have hacked on the LoCo Directory before, right? [17:42] once or twice ;) [17:42] mhall119, how often does it sync which teams you are in with LP? [17:42] I just got reapproved for the us-ca team and when I try to add an event it assumes it is for ubuntu-uk and doesn't ask me which team [17:42] every time you log in, it (should) get the list of teams you're member of from the OpenID response [17:43] before it asked which team the event was for [17:43] but the that comes from SSO [17:43] SSO and LP have some hacked syncing going on for team memberships [17:43] I don't know how often that happens [17:43] ahhh I will relog in [17:43] ahhh I think this will work [17:44] now it works [17:44] cool [17:44] cool, I will file a bug about this [17:44] ok [18:12] mhall119, https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/719472 [18:12] Ubuntu bug 719472 in loco-directory "Teams associated with a user are not synced while logged in" [Undecided,New] [18:12] :-) [18:23] jono: ping === Pici is now known as Guest30254 [18:27] jcastro, yo [18:28] 18:10 [freenode] -!- WALLOP Md: sorry for the noise, one of our sponsors just had unexpected networking troubles === Guest30254 is now known as Pici [18:31] czajkowski: thanks for the heads up. [18:31] (I was stuck unidentified and not +w) [18:31] if you had wallops on you'd see them [18:31] poeple should turn on +w [18:33] I know, irssi was freaking out and +w didn't get set for some reason. [18:33] mhall119: I didn't think we did get a response like that in the sign-on [18:34] * AlanBell wonders how to turn on +w [18:34] The code I got from the loco directory just contained nicknames and names, no email adrs or any other data. [18:34] AlanBell: depends on client: /mode AlanBell +w or /umode +w [18:34] ok, that seems to have done it [18:36] so now I should get wallop messages in every channel window when they happen? [18:39] jcastro: on Friday 25th on the fridge you have added "Unity Developer Q+A on #ayatana" [18:39] is that in -meeting or in -classroom? [18:40] * AlanBell slaps head [18:40] in #ayatana I assume [18:41] why is #ayatana not #ubuntu-ayatana? [18:42] * Pici shrugs [18:47] probably because it's a canonical thing, rather than an ubuntu specific thing [18:50] AlanBell: usually status window i think [18:51] tsimpson: I'm not so sure, ayatana might be Canonical, but unity? [18:51] If unity is Canonical, then what's left for the Ubuntu community to get involved with? [18:51] Because the contributors agreement is making it harder and harder to contribute as it is. [18:52] who knows... [18:55] maco: I have joins and parts from 60 other channels in there [19:00] AlanBell: I want it in #ayatana because that's where we want developers hanging out to ask questions anyway [19:00]