=== smspillaz|sleep is now known as smspillaz === asac_ is now known as asac === Bertrand is now known as bl8 [07:23] Good morning [07:26] Morning pitti. [07:38] chrisccoulson: good morning === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:06] good morning === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [08:29] Morning all! [08:30] hey Sweetshark [08:35] morning [08:47] hey rodrigo_ [08:48] hi pitti how are you? [08:48] I'm great, thank you! [08:49] rodrigo_: how about yourself? [08:49] great also :) [08:49] hey rodrigo_ pitti [08:49] morning seb128 [08:49] how are you? [08:52] salut seb128, hey rodrigo_! [08:52] salut didrocks [08:52] hey rodrigo_, seb128, pitti, didrocks [08:52] bonjour seb128 [08:52] hey ara [08:52] seb128, I'm fine thanks, you? [08:52] pitti, seb128: cr3 accepted my changes to checkbox (the migration to gtkbuilder) and it is now in the sponsorship queue: https://code.launchpad.net/~cr3/ubuntu/natty/checkbox/0.11/+merge/49736 [08:52] hi ara [08:52] ara: yay [08:53] first step towards pygi [08:53] good morning ara [08:54] by the way, I am slowly preparing my MOTU application: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AraPulido/MOTUApplication [08:54] I would appreciate your comments :) [08:54] It is not like I will apply in the next weeks, but, you know, slowly :) [08:56] hey ara didrocks [08:56] rodrigo_, I'm fine thanks [08:57] ara, \o/ [08:57] ara: I will sponsor it for you [08:57] seb128, thanks :) [08:57] ara, thanks for working on that, it's one of the 2 remaining python-glade2 users on the CD [08:58] the other is pitivi? [08:59] pitti, correct [09:14] seb128: is there a bug about this menubar issue in natty? (I know only of bug 717332) [09:14] Launchpad bug 717332 in gnome-terminal "gnome-terminal is confused about its menubar status" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717332 [09:15] bug #717358 [09:15] Launchpad bug 717358 in indicator-appmenu "nautilus puts a menu bar at the top of the desktop" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717358 [09:15] * pitti reminds seb128 to remind him about the meeting reminder [09:15] pitti, hey pitti, you should send the meeting reminder maybe today? ;-)! [09:15] seb128: great idea, thanks! [09:16] *woosh* done [09:16] ;-) [09:16] * pitti hugs seb128 [09:16] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:16] are current debian packages available in some svn/bzr branch? [09:16] rodrigo_: yes if the udd import of them worked [09:17] geser, I mean upstream debian branches [09:17] ups [09:18] rodrigo_, you might want to use http://packages.qa.debian.org/%s [09:18] where %s is the source package [09:18] rodrigo_: the package importer also import Debian packages into UDD, not only the Ubuntu ones (if I understand you correctly) [09:18] rodrigo_, it gives you details on the debian vcs, their bug tracker, etc [09:18] mvo: ahah, trying the ubuntudevbar? ;) [09:18] didrocks, what is that? [09:19] seb128, ok, that's what I wanted [09:19] rodrigo_, http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/svn.html as well [09:19] seb128: an experimental plugin I've made for Quickly a year ago or so [09:19] I was thinking I never shipped it [09:20] maybe mterry shipped it thinking I was maintaining it [09:20] didrocks: heh :) not as such, I run a automatic python import checker as part the upgrade tester [09:23] mvo: ok, I need to avoid shipping it then ;) [09:24] (as the second comments seemed "human", I was thinking about a manual test :)) [09:24] I have no idea about python-nautilus, is it actually useful if you can't do "import nautilus" when its installed? [09:24] or does it serve a different purpose? [09:45] mvo, I guess bug #719170 is a bug for you [09:46] Launchpad bug 719170 in gconf "Segmentation fault during processing triggers for gconf2 when installing some packages on LiveCD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719170 [09:46] mvo, see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/64376916/valgrind.log [09:47] mvo: it should work like this, right, but all gnome is migration to a different API for plugins in any case, that's why I don't maintain this prototype that much [09:53] didrocks: if python-nautilus is no longer useful (sounds like it) shouldn#t we remove it then? [09:53] mvo, it still has some rdepends [09:53] mvo, it's as useful as it was [09:53] which is not very but still [09:53] mvo: I think that some plugins still uses it, not sure how if the import is failing for you :) [09:53] seb128: aha, ok. so "import nautilus" is just not supposed to work? [09:56] mvo, let me check how it's supposed to work, I never used it [09:56] mvo, but "import nautilus" should work [10:00] IIRC, it only works in the nautilus process [10:00] confirmed [10:02] right [10:02] mvo, ^ [10:02] see the package README for how to test [10:02] it ships some examples as well [10:03] aha, cool [10:03] thanks! [10:04] mvo, yw [10:18] pitti - for bug 655707, i added a link to the testcase which contained the broken font that crashed the previous version of firefox [10:18] Launchpad bug 655707 in pango1.0 "Firefox crashes opening pages that use webfonts " [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655707 [10:21] Riddell, bug #713880, could you reassign to whatever is the right kde source? [10:21] Launchpad bug 713880 in gnome-control-center "System settings doesn't retain touchpad disablement" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/713880 [10:22] morning [10:23] seb128: done [10:23] Riddell, thanks [11:20] rodrigo_, hey [11:21] rodrigo_, I've added bug #718098 to your buglist, seems to be a common nautilus crash in natty, not sure if it's due to gtk or something else though since that seemed to have started recently and nautilus didn't change in a while [11:21] Launchpad bug 718098 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718098 [11:21] seb128, ok [11:22] rodrigo_, jibel get the crash easily if you need details [11:23] ah ok, cool [11:23] rodrigo_, he also says that g-s-d is running but changing icon theme doesn't them to work, like the icons displayed are not updated [11:24] seb128, with 2.32 I guess? [11:25] rodrigo_, yes [11:25] rodrigo_, fresh install of natty [11:25] jibel, none of the icon themes work? [11:26] rodrigo_, none [11:26] * jibel doing screenshots [11:29] jibel, my first thought is some missing package, but I guess they wouldn't show up at all in the appearance capplet [11:30] jibel, you don't have g-s-d from the gnome3 ppa, right? [11:30] rodrigo_, don't be so impatient, let me take the screenshots, I have only 1 brain and 2 hands [11:30] rodrigo_, no, it's stock natty [11:30] ok, ok :) [11:36] mvo, hey, I'm looking at bug 668382 [11:36] Launchpad bug 668382 in software-center "No warning before removing important packages!!" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668382 [11:36] and wondering, how can we tell that removing libcamel1.2-14 (for example) is dangerous in a way that removing evolution (for example) is not [11:36] rodrigo_, I've attached 2 png to 718098 === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:50] ricotz, any news on the gnome-shell package for the gnome3 ppa? [11:51] rodrigo_, sorry no, wanted to wait for the gtk+3.0 final [11:53] rodrigo_, before that every package in the ppa needs to be rebuild against the new gtk libs [11:56] right, is anyone working on the 3.0 packaging? [11:57] rodrigo_, they are already in natty [11:57] ah [11:58] rodrigo_, the soname changed, so everything using gtk3 should be broken currently [12:00] rodrigo_, but before that we should sync with debian, since the changed the package names according to the soname change [12:01] rodrigo_, robert should be on it [12:01] so oehm, how do I compile the dkms for virtualbox ose on natty? [12:02] rodrigo_, 718098 reproduced on another system running classic desktop without effects [12:03] rodrigo_, to reproduce, install a fresh natty, login, launch "nautilus /usr/share/applications" and close the window => crash [12:18] jibel, add that to the bug, please [12:32] seb128: why is vala-0.10 needed if vala 0.11 is the default? [12:32] seb128: also main or universe? [12:32] Riddell, because there is still a stack of rdepends we didn't port yet [12:33] Riddell, to main for now please, binaries are still used in the default install [12:33] they are staying on nbs for a while [12:33] we discussed it during the last meeting there [12:33] we just pull 0.10 back while we port those [12:34] Riddell, i.e that will be be cleaned for natty [12:35] accepted [12:35] Riddell, thanks === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:54] didrocks: btw, I posted two merge requests if you have a few minutes anytime today to look at them. https://code.launchpad.net/~bratsche/libgrip/packaging-dep5-copyright/+merge/49639 and https://code.launchpad.net/~bratsche/libgrip/packaging-remove-gtkdoc-dependency/+merge/49644 [13:54] bratsche: looking at them right now :) [13:54] Awesome, thanks! [13:55] bratsche: approved! (for both) [13:55] woot [13:55] Thanks! [13:55] bratsche: think to migrate to ~utouch-packaging as well [13:55] bratsche: yw ;) [13:55] Okay [13:59] didrocks: Do I do anything other than push to a new location there? [13:59] bratsche: you need to update the Vcs-Bzr tag in debian/control [14:00] bratsche: look at the other utouch- packages, like utouch-frame, they should be fine [14:01] didrocks: Looks like I don't currently have Vcs-Bzr set. I guess I should set that. [14:04] bratsche: right, that will be nice (it enables us to just debcheckout ) [14:04] bratsche: it will bzr branch or apt-get source depending on what is given in debian/control [14:04] didrocks: Okay added that and pushed now to lp:~utouch-packaging/libgrip/ubuntu [14:06] bratsche: excellent, all points are addressed then? [14:07] I'll double check. Just a minute. [14:07] didrocks: Yeah, I think everything is addressed now. [14:08] bratsche: excellent, will give another look today and then upload it :) [14:09] didrocks: Awesome, thank you very much! [14:09] bratsche: you're really welcome! === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [14:32] new natty nvidia drivers in ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates [14:33] Sarvatt, For xserver 10 ? [14:33] yep [14:33] woot! [14:33] njpatel, ^ [14:33] gord, ^ [14:33] * didrocks begins to break his machine [14:33] they haven't built yet [14:33] MacSlow, ^ [14:34] seb128: just miss dbo when you will be there :) [14:34] \o/ [14:34] didrocks, ;-) [14:34] seb128, hey [14:34] njpatel, howdy [14:34] * tedg thinks Sarvatt has started a DDoS on LP by telling people before they built as they'll all be refreshing the page [14:34] Sarvatt, WOOHOO [14:34] loi [14:34] urgh [14:35] :O [14:35] :P [14:35] * tedg got them, amd64 FTW! [14:37] tedg: i386 is ready as well :) [14:37] i feel like i'm missing out here with my intel chipset [14:37] lol [14:37] chrisccoulson, yeah, you just missed 2 weeks of frustration, what a shame ;-) [14:37] * bcurtiswx agrees with chrisccoulson [14:38] okok, i have AMD64 :P [14:38] seb128 - yeah, i'm pretty fortunate about that :) [14:38] but i don't have nvidia drivers [14:39] My next "might" be intel or nvidia....currently ati [14:39] chrisccoulson, You miss out every time you want to see graphics run quickly ;) [14:39] * bcurtiswx hits the boxing bell "Round 1" [14:40] * tedg is rebooting [14:47] Nope, segfault in X :( [14:54] tedg, you were that close and yet... ;-) [14:55] tedg: accepted but its not staring [14:56] can ya pastebin it? [14:57] Sarvatt, http://paste.ubuntu.com/567340/ [14:58] Cool, pastebinit finally works with paste.ubuntu.com! [14:58] tedg: thats 270.18 [14:58] 270.26 is the newest one [14:58] Sarvatt, Hmm... okay. [14:58] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/+sourcepub/1512937/+listing-archive-extra [14:59] Sarvatt, Let me try again and make sure I get the right now. [14:59] one [15:00] tedg: did ya just add the PPA and update? amd64 hasn't been published yet if so [15:01] Sarvatt, Yeah. Hmm, must have gotten it from somewhere else. I'll look through my sources [15:01] tedg, use apt-cache policy [15:01] tedg, it will tell you where it's coming from [15:03] 270.18 is the current one offered in there for amd64, 270.26 still hasn't been published yet https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/+sourcepub/1512937/+listing-archive-extra [15:03] Sarvatt, Ah, okay. [15:03] it'll be awhile until I can test it [15:03] 557 upgraded, 14 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. [15:03] Need to get 530 MB of archives. [15:05] tedg: i386 FTW then :p [15:10] X restart brb [15:14] Sarvatt: seems that the packaging let me upgrading with a wrong version of nvidia, I have the ABI mismatch [15:15] Section "ServerFlags" [15:15] Option "IgnoreABI" "True" [15:15] EndSection [15:15] didrocks: do you have that in your xorg.conf? [15:15] Sarvatt: I don't, should I? [15:15] * Sarvatt nods [15:16] ok, let's try to ignore the check then :) [15:17] brb [15:24] didrocks: no luck? [15:25] Sarvatt: no :( didn't work very well, (my Xorg.0.log): http://paste.ubuntu.com/567359/ [15:26] didrocks: kernel module failed to build? [15:27] didrocks: can I see your dmesg? === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [15:29] Sarvatt: I have a lot of NVRM: API mismatch, but nothing else relevant [15:30] Sarvatt: for instance: http://paste.ubuntu.com/567361/ [15:30] Sarvatt: I've just upgraded my kernel but didn't restart. That shouldn't impact isn't it? as DKMS should build with every known kernel… [15:31] yeah it affects it [15:31] you still have the old one loaded [15:31] Sarvatt: right, but dmks build for every kernels, isn't it? [15:31] it tries to only load the latest one? [15:32] dkms only builds against the current and the newest kernels I believe [15:32] dkms status [15:32] will tell ya [15:33] nvidia-current, 270.26, 2.6.38-3-generic, i686: installed [15:33] nvidia-current, 270.26, 2.6.38-1-generic, i686: installed [15:33] and I'm on 2.6.38-1-generic [15:33] I still can try to reboot anyway [15:33] but it doesn't seem to be that, isn't it? :/ === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [15:36] trying [15:43] Sarvatt: segfault with the new kernel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/567369/ [15:46] seb128: btw, I tried to reset the panel, and I don't get the messaging menu neither the indicatorme/session [15:48] didrocks, how did you reset it? I noticed that as well in a guest session but it was working and gnome-panel didn't get updated [15:48] didrocks, I got some applet crashes again since the recent compiz updates though so I was wondering if that was due to it [15:48] seb128: gconftools --recursive-unset /apps/panel [15:48] seb128: I'm on metacity [15:48] seb128, thanks [15:48] if not could be something in the indicator start [15:49] stack [15:49] didrocks, ok, so that needs debugging [15:49] * Sarvatt disappears to test this nvidia junk :) [15:50] seb128: ok, at least, you reproduced in the guest session [15:51] didrocks, yes [16:02] when pushing new branches for gnome3-team, it takes ages, taking /~vcs-imports/gnome-menus/main as default stacking branch, any idea what might be wrong? [16:02] it used to just work [16:02] work = push took a couple minutes, not 4/5 hours === dobey_ is now known as dobey [16:03] rodrigo_, did you use to push debian only directories or source history? [16:04] seb128, I usually branch locally from the ubuntu-desktop branch (debian only) and then just push that to ~gnome3-team [16:04] so yes, pushing a debian only branch [16:04] rodrigo_, those imports are not debian only though [16:05] which might be the difference [16:06] Uhg, segfault the same with 26 :( [16:06] tedg, it doesn't work for didrocks either [16:08] seb128, yes, but why is it using that as stacking branch? [16:08] if I use --stacked-on=lp:~ubuntu-desktop..., the same, it takes ages [16:09] not sure what you mean? [16:09] how did you work on it? [16:09] usually I do bzr get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-menus/ubuntu [16:09] hack on it [16:09] bzr commit [16:09] bzr push lp:~gnome3... [16:09] which works fine [16:09] seb128, that's what I did [16:10] rodrigo_, check on #launchpad then maybe [16:10] ok [16:13] bryceh, so i just updated from x-swat but nvidia isn't loading [16:30] morning everyone... [16:31] * kenvandine waves [16:31] hey jasoncwarner [16:31] hey jasoncwarner [16:31] oh, meeting time [16:31] rodrigo_: is it a particular branch, or all of them? [16:31] hey jasoncwarner, pitti, kenvandine [16:31] seems meeting time ;-) [16:31] :) [16:31] hey hey [16:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-02-15 [16:31] dobey, last week it was gnome-icon-theme and this week gnome-menus, so the last 2 I've tried [16:31] * Sweetshark waves. [16:31] hey folks [16:32] dobey, I've been able to push using --stacked-on, but see https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/gnome-menus/ubuntu [16:32] oh aye, meeting [16:33] Alright...here we go for a quick meeting. Don't forget to update the wiki above and ....here we go! [16:33] [TOPIC] Partner Update [16:33] ok [16:33] DX, this week we'll have ABI changes for libindicator [16:33] so we'll need to rebuild all the indicators [16:34] shouldn't be a big deal, but beware of bumps in the road [16:34] UbuntuOne: [16:34] they have dropped the work planned for shotwell [16:34] instead they will focus on API work to make it easier for someone to do it later [16:35] the U1 API work done so far will land next week [16:35] hi [16:35] and the U1 integration in the launcher is blocked on bug # 709240 [16:35] libunity via python [16:35] GIR problems [16:35] anyone have questions? [16:36] do they need help with that bug? [16:36] I could help out with that [16:36] pitti, probably [16:36] kamstrup is out sick [16:36] he was working on it [16:36] oh, meeting time [16:36] pitti, so please do :) [16:36] i nearly missed that ;) [16:36] yeah, jasoncwarner doesn't ping people just to make sure we pay attention :p [16:36] kenvandine: ok, will coordinate with kamstrup [16:37] great [16:37] hehe [16:37] pitti: you should talk to kamstrup, right, he already advanced a little on the subject [16:38] thanks, kenvandine. Any other questions? [16:38] pitti, i think he has documented what he has done there [16:38] next topic would be [TOPIC] UNITY [16:39] if you refresh the wiki page, you should have the report :) [16:39] :) [16:40] do you have any question? [16:40] thanks didrocks, so the invisible window is gone except for gvim? [16:41] I got some todays with gtk-demo [16:41] so it's not only gvim [16:41] jasoncwarner: well, only on few apps, still need investigation [16:41] but I didn't get it for days now [16:41] didrocks, is it when there's "nux input window" in the panel? [16:41] mterry, no, that's another bug [16:41] I saw that today [16:41] oh, ok [16:42] mterry, #693777 [16:42] mterry: yeah, the nux input window is when the launcher is focused [16:42] like, you triggered alt + F1 [16:43] sure, blame it on me ;) [16:43] lol [16:44] mterry: with the greatest pleasure :) [16:44] thanks didrocks..I'm looking forward to this update this week even...from the looks of https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.4.4 there are some real stability things coming this week. [16:44] without wanting to disappoint anyone the bug I pointed was open before the alt-f1 work ;-) [16:44] jasoncwarner: yeah, the list isn't finished yet, so, keep an eye on it :) [16:44] cool..thanks [16:45] seb128: right, hence the "like, you…" not the only case you can have it :) [16:45] hmm, ubuntu-one-sync always causes my fan to turn on at startup [16:45] Ok...next topic [16:45] [TOPIC] Software Center [16:45] heyo [16:45] oh meeting, apologies [16:46] report is on the wiki, but I can paste a summary [16:46] Unity launcher integration: Software Center side is complete, Unity side in-progress [16:46] Ratings and Reviews: New "Was this review useful" feature (awaits server-side rollout to activate), offline cache support for reviews [16:46] Coming soon: Lobby improvements, deauthorize your computer feature [16:47] tremolux: the unity integration, you feel pretty good about that landing this week? [16:47] tremolux, is that using libunity? [16:47] jasoncwarner: I am not sure actually, I need to ping DBO for an update [16:48] kenvandine: currently the plan is dbus, but DBO may change that [16:48] ok, because libunity from python is a problem right now [16:48] jasoncwarner: not sure for that week [16:49] kenvandine: yep [16:49] * Sweetshark just has a Xorg freeze right now. Luckily the irc client is in tmux. However, the system has huge latency => I will need a reboot soon. [16:49] ok, thanks tremolux. can't wait to see the software center / unity interactions :) [16:49] any other questions? [16:50] jasoncwarner: yes, thanks! me too [16:50] next [TOPIC] Kubuntu [16:50] moi? [16:51] * Lucid .2 testing under way [16:51] * owncloud packaging in progress [16:51] * samba sharing is working, finally! thanks to rbelem [16:51] * Ubiquity keyboard selection now working, hugs to cjwatson [16:51] * mobile seed split into new collection, launchpad update due to be merged, then kubuntu-mobile images will be working again [16:51] * 10 bugs milestoned for alpha 3 http://goo.gl/yGhJd [16:51] * In a decent position with https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo for feature freeze, mostly green where it needs to be [16:53] very cool...is that samba sharing in the default install? [16:53] Woops....missing the meeting :P [16:53] jasoncwarner: yes (or will be on tomorrow's CDs) [16:53] awesome, very cool. [16:54] thanks [16:55] [TOPIC] Xorg is for eastern edition [16:55] [TOPIC] Tools and processes...if anything? [16:56] and I don't think we have anything here except for WIs, WIs, WIs! :) [16:56] :) [16:56] we are falling behind quite badly indeed [16:57] speaking of WIs, I wanted to discuss oneconf [16:57] so, I ported oneconf (with pain) on the new software-center API [16:57] still need to do the same for ubuntu sso API [16:57] shoudl we start dropping the low BPs like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-opportunistic-developer-manual or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-oneconf ? [16:58] so, with that, we will have the same oneconf as in maverick (just spent hours to port to changed API…) [16:58] then, seeing new issues with desktopcouch, the point of order is to drop it in the futur [16:58] and rely on the software-center infrastructure [16:58] we won't have upgrade path from desktop-couch -> s-c infrastructure easily [16:59] so, as we can't set it by default now, my proposal is to drop the ubiquity and oneconf by default for next release [16:59] once ported out desktopcouch [16:59] (so, I'll just have a "port to new sso API" WI) [16:59] thoughts? [17:00] given that you are #2 on number of WIs, anything which relieves you will be quite welcome [17:00] (realistically, I won't have the time to port to the USC infrastructure this cycle before FF and I prefer to help unity righ tnow) [17:02] didrocks: seems fine to me; is that packageselection-desktop-n-oneconf? [17:02] shoudl we move the entire thing to the o cycle, or just POSTPONE some WIs there? [17:02] right [17:02] unity should be rock solid in natty....usc...it works as is... [17:02] pitti: the usc porting is almost done [17:02] I need to do the u1 sso port still [17:02]