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| xorgnak | woud anyone know what the discover1 package has been moved to for 10.10? | 01:04 |
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| xorgnak | nevermind... if anyone's curious for remixes, discover1 has been depreciated to discover | 01:07 |
| slangasek | SpamapS: hi; still around? | 01:14 |
| r3d2 | hey you guys. i just downloaded my first source code so i can get an idea of how linux programs are written....i picked a relatively small program, mousepad. and after i "sudo apt-get source mousepad" it seems like everything worked out | 01:29 |
| r3d2 | but now i have 1 folder and 3 files for it | 01:29 |
| r3d2 | mousepad.diff.gz mousepad.tarr.gs and mousepad.dsc | 01:30 |
| r3d2 | what are all those? | 01:30 |
| RAOF | mousepad.dsc is some metadata about the source package, mousepad.diff.gz is the difference between the upstream source and the Ubuntu source package, and mousepad.orig.tar.gz is the original source. | 01:31 |
| r3d2 | ah nice | 01:31 |
| r3d2 | thank you | 01:31 |
| r3d2 | that explains it all lol | 01:31 |
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| YokoZar | what are the ways that Universe might be unchecked? | 04:45 |
| YokoZar | Is there an option at install, for instance? | 04:45 |
| * micahg thought it was disabled by default | 04:49 | |
| vish | there is an option during which enables the restricted and multiverse repos but as micahg says nothing enables universe until user selects it | 05:05 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:21 |
| pitti | cody-somerville: no, it isn't; apport doesn't use notifications at all; also, web browser should be opened as user indeed | 07:23 |
| cody-somerville | pitti, if you click links in dialogues, they open as root | 07:24 |
| cody-somerville | pitti, for example, the link to trying out upstream kernel | 07:24 |
| pitti | cody-somerville: you mean in the kernel dialogs? | 07:24 |
| pitti | right, that's GTK itself | 07:25 |
| pitti | perhaps there's a way I can override the default URL handler in GTK | 07:25 |
| pitti | when apport opens the browser for bug filing, it uses some tricks to go "back" to the user's account | 07:25 |
| * cody-somerville nods. | 07:26 | |
| alkisg | Hi, can someone re-open LP bug #580961, as it's not fixed yet? | 07:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 580961 in unzip (Mandriva) "unzip fails to deal correctly with filename encodings" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/580961 | 07:30 |
| maco | alkisg: you tried it with version 6.0-4ubuntu1 in 11.04 alpha 2? | 07:32 |
| alkisg | maco: yes, I posted why it's broken in the bug report | 07:33 |
| alkisg | It looks like part of the patch is missing | 07:33 |
| maco | alkisg: ok, reverted to triaged | 07:34 |
| maco | or well...as soon as my web browser goes as bit faster.... | 07:35 |
| alkisg | Thank you. To clarify, it's still not working, i.e. a regression from previous Ubuntu versions, I'm not asking for anything new like autodetection (like others in that bug report do ask). | 07:36 |
| dholbach | good morning! | 07:39 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 08:06 |
| pitti | hey dholbach, bonjour didrocks | 08:09 |
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| didrocks | hey pitti | 08:12 |
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| dholbach | hey pitti | 08:23 |
| kklimonda | jdstrand: btw, the other thing you thought I was talking about is still important, but it just wasn't as important to me ;) | 08:23 |
| cjwatson | vish: not true, universe has been enabled by default since feisty | 08:39 |
| cjwatson | (not on the live CD though, but in installs) | 08:39 |
| vish | cjwatson: odd.. the last time i installed with natty cd it made me choose universe to install banshee.. | 09:00 |
| * vish will check but trusts cjwatson more ;) | 09:00 | |
| seb128 | hum | 09:03 |
| seb128 | does anybody has any clue about bug #717516? | 09:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 717516 in cairo (Ubuntu) "No Plymouth message or password prompts w libcairo2_1.10.2-2ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717516 | 09:03 |
| seb128 | slangasek, pitti, cjwatson: ^ not sure who is tracking plymouth issues nowadays, seems something to check but I'm not sure what to ask on the bug | 09:04 |
| cjwatson | there was a plymouth bug that soren fixed yesterday | 09:05 |
| cjwatson | haven't actually read that report but make sure that the user isn't using plymouth 0.8.2-2ubuntu15 or 0.8.2-2ubuntu16 | 09:05 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, he says he still get the issue on 17 in the bug | 09:05 |
| cjwatson | soren: did you commit your patch anywhere? I don't see it in lp:ubuntu/plymouth | 09:06 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, thanks, I've added a comment pointing to the bug fixed in ubuntu17 and asked some details | 09:12 |
| Riddell | @pilot in | 09:15 |
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| pitti | whee, Scottish airpatchlines! | 09:15 |
| * dholbach hugs Riddell | 09:17 | |
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| apw | cjwatson, can you remind me when we enabled the grub graphical handoff at the grub level? was that after A1 ? | 09:34 |
| cjwatson | apw: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:59:55 +0000 | 09:35 |
| soren | cjwatson: Gah, sorry. | 10:24 |
| soren | cjwatson: I wanted to wait until it was accepted into the archive, but got sidetracked. | 10:24 |
| soren | cjwatson: Pushed. | 10:25 |
| seb128 | dholbach, did someone point already that the sponsoring queue have wrong urls for merge requests today? | 10:31 |
| dholbach | seb128, no, not yet | 10:31 |
| seb128 | dholbach, it has api.launchpad.net/1.0/.... instead of "code.launchpad.net" | 10:31 |
| dholbach | ah yes | 10:31 |
| seb128 | dholbach, it's likely a side effect of the fix they did yesterday after breaking things still using "edge" in their code | 10:32 |
| seb128 | dholbach, you should probably port your code to use "production" rather than edge | 10:32 |
| seb128 | should be trivial | 10:32 |
| dholbach | yes part of it was, yesterday | 10:32 |
| seb128 | dholbach, well yesterday it just crashed, they did online patching to fix the redirect | 10:32 |
| seb128 | but seems it's not perfect | 10:32 |
| dholbach | yes, I know | 10:33 |
| dholbach | working on it | 10:33 |
| seb128 | dholbach, danke | 10:33 |
| dholbach | that's why I said "part" | 10:33 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:33 |
| dholbach | nice, bdrung already fixed it | 10:34 |
| dholbach | seb128, should be fixed with next cron run | 10:34 |
| seb128 | dholbach, excellent | 10:35 |
| seb128 | bdrung, dholbach: thanks | 10:35 |
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| Riddell | zul: python-django-nova packaging is GPL 2, I think canonical policy is for GPL 3 | 10:53 |
| Riddell | zul: I've accepted but you should check that | 10:54 |
| soren | \o/ | 10:54 |
| \sh | moins | 11:17 |
| siretart | hi \sh! | 11:23 |
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| \sh | hey siretart...how's life? | 11:30 |
| siretart | \sh: not too bad, a bit stressful, but otherwise making progress. how are you and family? | 11:30 |
| nigelb | g40 | 11:31 |
| nigelb | ugh, sorry | 11:31 |
| \sh | siretart: fine..wife is waiting in belgium, that our nice and nephew are born...and I'm still at KA and merging from netviewer to citrix online ;) | 11:35 |
| siretart | \sh: :-) | 11:36 |
| \sh | siretart: means our company just reported the closing of the deal between citrix and netviewer ;) so we are now a 100% division of them ;) | 11:36 |
| siretart | wow. does this relate in any way to your dc^2 project? | 11:38 |
| \sh | siretart: dunno...but I still have some weeks of time to think about staying with this company or to change to another company or to just leave all that behind and become self-employed (or in the worst case, hartz IV ;)) | 11:39 |
| siretart | \sh: don't make (bad) jokes about that | 11:40 |
| siretart | \sh: but while I have you here, is there some installation guide or something available for dc2? I'm considering to deploy it. | 11:41 |
| \sh | siretart: no..I mean that...well, I have some nice job proposals | 11:41 |
| siretart | :-) | 11:41 |
| \sh | siretart: nope...but I can guide you if you want...I have to push another branch to trunk to make especially the qooxdoo frontend more usable with self deployed installations | 11:42 |
| \sh | and there are two other branches to switch dc² from mysql to couchdb, and to integrate some amazon ec2 management to it...it's still work in progress but hey :) | 11:43 |
| siretart | sure, I imagine. for a starter, the precise installation requirements would help me | 11:43 |
| siretart | but perhaps we should move that to a more appropriate channel ;-) | 11:44 |
| \sh | siretart: #dc2 ;) | 11:44 |
| siretart | oftc or freenode? | 11:44 |
| \sh | freenode | 11:44 |
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| Riddell | cjwatson: thanks for fixing bug 705917 :) | 12:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 705917 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "kde frontend keyboard selector broken" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705917 | 12:15 |
| cjwatson | np | 12:20 |
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| zyga | doko_, ping | 13:21 |
| MadCow108 | hi, when I want to backport a bugfix in a debian native package (format 3) for ubuntu, do I still use the debian/patches method or do I just directly patch the source as I would do it for debian? | 13:31 |
| MadCow108 | the former would additionally require to add quilt to the build depends | 13:33 |
| cjwatson | er, a *native* package? | 13:34 |
| cjwatson | what does 'cat debian/source/format' say? | 13:35 |
| pitti | MadCow108: I'd apply inline for native packages | 13:35 |
| cjwatson | Debian and Ubuntu are just the same in this regard, but your question is confusingly phrased in a way which makes me think one of us is misunderstanding something | 13:35 |
| pitti | ITHM "3.0 (native)"? | 13:36 |
| MadCow108 | 3.0 (native) | 13:36 |
| cjwatson | it's not clear, that's why I asked | 13:36 |
| hallyn | anyone else seeing garbled gnome-terminal text with 2.6.38-3 ? | 13:36 |
| cjwatson | you don't use the debian/patches method in either Debian or Ubuntu for native packages | 13:36 |
| cjwatson | you apply it inline, and there is no need to build-depend on quilt | 13:36 |
| * hallyn figures kirkland will chime in | 13:36 | |
| MadCow108 | ok | 13:36 |
| cjwatson | because you wouldn't be using quilt | 13:36 |
| MadCow108 | I was just wondering as the qult method would make it a bit easier to see the differences between the debian and ubuntu version | 13:37 |
| cjwatson | you can see that by just diffing the packages | 13:37 |
| cjwatson | but no, that would involve changing from native to quilt format and we try hard not to make that sort of fundamental change to a package's format in Ubuntu | 13:37 |
| MadCow108 | ok thanks | 13:37 |
| Riddell | mvo: are you going to update natty for bug 556189 ? | 13:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 556189 in python-pip (Ubuntu) "$ pip install <package> fails on missing setuptools" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/556189 | 13:38 |
| mvo | Riddell: this is just a stale status, I fix that | 13:40 |
| doko_ | zyga: pong | 13:41 |
| zyga | doko_, who should I ask to debug stale pymodules cache? | 13:42 |
| doko_ | zyga: either barry or me. could you be a bit more specific? | 13:44 |
| zyga | doko_, drop in to #ubuntuone please | 13:44 |
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| zyga | doko, ralsina and me are trying to understand and debug something that seems to be stale cache of pyc files after an older installation | 13:49 |
| zyga | doko_, we'll file a bug and I'll ping you about it if you don't mind | 13:49 |
| tumbleweed | zyga: which package? It's quite possible that there are stayle .pyc files in the python path, if it was uploaded inbetween python2.7 support and python-support being updated | 13:51 |
| zyga | tumbleweed, this is still on maverick, and seems to be reproducible | 13:51 |
| zyga | tumbleweed, ralsina on #ubuntone understands more | 13:52 |
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| asac | didrocks: master ... how painful is it to backport the current unity stuff to maverick? | 14:07 |
| asac | or are you guys actually maintaining a backport somewhereß | 14:07 |
| asac | ? | 14:07 |
| didrocks | asac: we stopped backporting it because it's really painful | 14:07 |
| didrocks | asac: you need to backport compiz and all plugins + a lot of package from the unity and appmenu world | 14:08 |
| didrocks | and soon, you will need the latest glib | 14:08 |
| asac | grr | 14:08 |
| asac | why are folks always jumping on the latest crack :) | 14:08 |
| didrocks | asac: yeah, people are crazy… :) | 14:09 |
| sebner | asac: because old stuff is boring ;) | 14:15 |
| asac | its really dog style of development ;) | 14:17 |
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| kirkland | hallyn: kirkland reading scrollback | 14:56 |
| kirkland | hallyn: garbled terminal text? no.... | 14:57 |
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| ogra | could an archive admin promote unity-2d, libqtgconf, libqtbamf and libqtdee to main ? (MIR bugs are bug #708649, bug: #708661, bug: #708659 and bug: #708658 | 15:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 708649 in unity-2d (Ubuntu) "[MIR] please include unity-2d in natty main" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708649 | 15:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 708658 in libqtdee (Ubuntu) "[MIR] please include libqtdee in natty main" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708658 | 15:21 |
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| pitti | ogra: yup, doing | 15:47 |
| * ogra hugs pitti | 15:48 | |
| pitti | kein Problem :) *hug* | 15:48 |
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| kirkland | pitti: hey | 16:08 |
| pitti | kirkland: hey Dustin, how are you? | 16:09 |
| kirkland | pitti: fine thanks :-) | 16:09 |
| kirkland | pitti: okay, so ecryptfs-utils version in lucid and maverick were identical, hence that upload was rejected | 16:09 |
| kirkland | pitti: how does this look: | 16:09 |
| kirkland | ecryptfs-utils (83-0ubuntu3.1-maverick) maverick-proposed; urgency=low | 16:09 |
| pitti | kirkland: ah, usually we do somehting like x.10.04 and x.10.10, but as we already have lucid, "3.1maverick" works | 16:10 |
| pitti | kirkland: no dash, please, as this is the separator of upstream-revision | 16:10 |
| kirkland | pitti: cool | 16:10 |
| kirkland | ecryptfs-utils (83-0ubuntu3.1maverick) maverick-proposed; urgency=low | 16:10 |
| kirkland | pitti: done; re-uploading now | 16:10 |
| pitti | kirkland: thanks! | 16:10 |
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| kirkland | pitti: done | 16:11 |
| kirkland | pitti: thanks, mate! | 16:11 |
| smoser | geser, bug 715818 is fixed. | 16:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 715818 in ec2-api-tools (Ubuntu) "ec2-api-tools FTBFS in natty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715818 | 16:32 |
| geser | smoser: thanks | 16:32 |
| smoser | thank you for your help. I irresponsibly failed to credit you in changelog. for that i am sorry. | 16:32 |
| geser | np | 16:32 |
| Riddell | mterry: could bug 676512 get some MIR assignment love? | 16:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 676512 in qtmobility (Ubuntu Natty) "MIR qtmobility" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676512 | 16:35 |
| mterry | Riddell, I'll check | 16:35 |
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| ogra | pitti, hmm, unity-2d doesnt show up in main yet | 17:34 |
| ogra | (netbook-meta update tells me its unknown) | 17:34 |
| * ogra thinks after | 17:35 | |
| ogra | 3h it should be there | 17:35 |
| ogra | oh, its only 2h | 17:36 |
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| RoAkSoAx | stgraber: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/dllist is empty and there are ISO's available in the tracker | 17:54 |
| RoAkSoAx | any ideas why? | 17:54 |
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| stgraber | RoAkSoAx: that's weird, let me check | 17:56 |
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| stgraber | RoAkSoAx: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/5015 | 17:57 |
| stgraber | RoAkSoAx: seems to happen with all the builds | 17:57 |
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| stgraber | so dllist doesn't return anything as it can't get the info from cdimage | 17:58 |
| stgraber | RoAkSoAx: I guess that the current magic to find the right file on cdimage doesn't cover the point releases | 17:59 |
| RoAkSoAx | stgraber: ah I see | 17:59 |
| stgraber | marjo: ^ | 18:00 |
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| RoAkSoAx | Riddell: till what time are you piloting? | 18:16 |
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| Riddell | RoAkSoAx: until I sign off :) | 18:28 |
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| RoAkSoAx | Riddell: lol ok :)/. Let me know cause I'm up next :) | 18:32 |
| Riddell | RoAkSoAx: oh you can add yourself too I'm sure | 18:33 |
| Riddell | just do @pilot in | 18:33 |
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| gaurav_pawaskar | hi people, I want to know.. when bug is raised .. how do we identify, which all packages are related to that bug? | 18:38 |
| RoAkSoAx | @pilot in | 18:39 |
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| mdeslaur | mvo: have you got a minute? I want to update flashplugin-nonfree in hardy from v9 to v10. There is another package that some people install called "libflashsupport" that ships a library that is incompatible with v10. | 18:52 |
| mdeslaur | mvo: of course, even if I try to conflicts/replaces it, update-manager in hardy won't remove it | 18:52 |
| mdeslaur | mvo: is my only hope to ship a dummy libflashsupport update that is empty? | 18:52 |
| * ogra glares at bug 9068 | 18:57 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 9068 in casper (Mandriva) "Serial mouse/mice not autodetected" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9068 | 18:57 |
| ogra | mandriva uses casper ?!? | 18:57 |
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| mdeslaur | mvo: hmm..I'll try adding a transitional package to flashplugin-nonfree | 18:59 |
| marjo | stgraber: I noted same to jibel; will fix in future point releases | 19:00 |
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| cjwatson | stgraber: in the case of http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/5015, that should be /lucid/dvd/... | 19:04 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: generally, put lucid/ before the "daily", "daily-live", or "dvd" bit | 19:04 |
| * ogra wonders how long main promotion takes nowadays | 19:05 | |
| ogra | publisher should have run several times now | 19:05 |
| cjwatson | I probably forgot to release the lock after my manual work earlier today | 19:05 |
| ogra | oh | 19:05 |
| cjwatson | released, hopefully the next run will work | 19:06 |
| cjwatson | sorry about that | 19:06 |
| ogra | thanks | 19:06 |
| ogra | no problem | 19:06 |
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| kees | pitti: is /etc/default/apport's "maxsize" actually used anywhere? | 19:34 |
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| Riddell | @pilot out | 19:42 |
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| ari-tczew | cjwatson: lilo 23 in Debian. what's the decision? | 19:52 |
| cjwatson | ari-tczew: I followed up to the bug | 19:56 |
| ari-tczew | cjwatson: stay with 22? | 19:56 |
| * cjwatson wonders why he is on the hook for lilo - I'm a grub developer, I'd rather not deal with lilo | 19:56 | |
| cjwatson | ari-tczew: are you prepared to deal with all issues that arise from upgrading? | 19:57 |
| cjwatson | e.g. subscribe to all lilo and lilo-installer bugs until at least the natty release | 19:58 |
| ari-tczew | cjwatson: guess no | 19:58 |
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| cjwatson | then I think we ought to merge up to what was released in squeeze, and let the new version shake out in Debian for a while | 19:58 |
| cjwatson | that seems like a reasonable course of action to me. do you agree? | 19:58 |
| cjwatson | without somebody paying attention to it in Ubuntu, I think we should be fairly conservative and stick with what we would have done if it hadn't had Ubuntu modifications - sync up to Debian import freeze | 19:59 |
| cjwatson | it's different when somebody has taken active ownership | 20:00 |
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| ari-tczew | cjwatson: I agree. | 20:02 |
| slangasek | SpamapS: ping | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | slangasek: pong hey. :) | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | slangasek: so, the restart action.. | 20:12 |
| slangasek | yes! | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | slangasek: in discussing with keybuk, he made it clear that it is intended to restart the job *without* reloading the job file. | 20:13 |
| slangasek | SpamapS: "it is intended" under what circumstances? | 20:13 |
| slangasek | I mean, that's what the 'restart' command is designed to do, right? | 20:13 |
| slangasek | but those are not the defined semantics of the init script interfaces | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | slangasek: right, it is designed to restart the job, without reloading the job config... | 20:14 |
| slangasek | and /lib/init/upstart-job accounts for this by calling stop && start instead of calling restart | 20:14 |
| slangasek | *because* we need to make sure we're forcing a reload of the job | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | It does.. oook.. good. | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | For some reason I thought it used the restart action. | 20:15 |
| slangasek | nah - I had this conversation with Keybuk a while ago :-) | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | slangasek: well glad I could occupy some of your brain-space for a few minutes. Carry on then. | 20:17 |
| slangasek | SpamapS: glad to help :) | 20:17 |
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| kees | ari-tczew: nvclock> sounds fine; much easier that way. | 21:01 |
| ari-tczew | kees: about nbd: OK, Agreed with sync in natty+1. However, probably natty is affected by CVE and I'll prepare debdiff in CVE's bug. | 21:02 |
| ari-tczew | kees: about openssl: I'll _TRY_ to update d/changelog, but it seems to be hardcore to do | 21:03 |
| ari-tczew | kees: and now we are entering in problem: developers prefer to upload changes to archive without describe changes in details like e.g. d/rules: foo bar | 21:05 |
| ari-tczew | just 'foo bar' without describing changes in which files done | 21:05 |
| cjwatson | and that's perfectly reasonable | 21:05 |
| ari-tczew | cjwatson: what? | 21:06 |
| cjwatson | people who need that level of detail can look in a VCS - changelogs are a little bit more user-focused | 21:06 |
| kees | ari-tczew: nbd> yeah, the CVE fix is appreciated. I'd like to know how far back it goes, though. | 21:06 |
| cjwatson | while I do sometimes mention individual files in debian/changelog, I normally only describe the functional change made | 21:06 |
| kees | ari-tczew: openssl> yup; that's why merging can be difficult. unless you can understand and explain each change, it's not a good idea to just cargo-cult them forward. | 21:06 |
| kees | cjwatson: for merges, I like having the mapping. | 21:07 |
| cjwatson | I don't usually object when people include it, but it is in no way a requirement | 21:07 |
| ari-tczew | cjwatson: very very good solution! (sarcasm), now while merging contributor wastes time to looking about information changes, congrats | 21:07 |
| * cjwatson ignores ari-tczew in order to avoid breaching the code of conduct. | 21:08 | |
| kees | ari-tczew: there's no need for that tone. developers each have their own preferences and time constraints. | 21:08 |
| ari-tczew | what breaching? I'm just telling the true | 21:08 |
| ari-tczew | sometimes it might hurt, though | 21:09 |
| kees | ari-tczew: I happen to prefer verbose merge logs, as it helps me review the work since I'm rarely a primary maintainer for packages. | 21:09 |
| kees | it's not a waste of time to understand the changes in a package when doing a merge. | 21:09 |
| ari-tczew | kees: bullshit | 21:09 |
| ari-tczew | I call this way an egoism | 21:10 |
| ari-tczew | I won't describe changes in details because someone else will do it while merging. | 21:10 |
| kees | I think you misunderstand the motivation. | 21:11 |
| kees | I happen to disagree with cjwatson's opinion on the level of detail, but that doesn't mean either of us is wrong. | 21:12 |
| cjwatson | for example, here's one of my changelog entries: | 21:13 |
| cjwatson | * Use a separate build directory, eliminating the requirement to preserve | 21:13 |
| cjwatson | some files by hand. | 21:13 |
| cjwatson | I don't see that that would gain anything by enumerating all the little details, and it would be a lot of noise for users. | 21:13 |
| ari-tczew | cjwatson: normal uses usually don't understand that specific changes | 21:14 |
| cjwatson | (This was a changelog entry written for Debian, but I write Debian and Ubuntu changelog entries essentially the same way and I happen to think that that's a good thing.) | 21:14 |
| cjwatson | People who need to know the exact details can look in a VCS, which is more convenient for that anyway. | 21:15 |
| kees | and I'm saying I prefer details for when package deltas get large. e.g. lvm2 mdadm | 21:16 |
| ari-tczew | anyway, it's egoism | 21:16 |
| cjwatson | In some cases it can be useful, certainly | 21:18 |
| cjwatson | I just don't agree with mandating it in all cases; I've found that the cases where I need it are rare | 21:18 |
| ari-tczew | kees: so I have to more time for update d/changelog and I'll do it at the weekend because someone else WAS LAZY to do it appropriate | 21:20 |
| * ari-tczew True hurts, not breaking Code of Conduct. | 21:21 | |
| kees | ari-tczew: you're making a judgement about cjwatson's opinions. I don't recommend doing that for anyone. | 21:22 |
| ari-tczew | kees: I'm just pointing what is wrong in development flow of work. | 21:23 |
| kees | ari-tczew: this is not a black and white issue. it's not wrong, it just makes merging later somewhat more difficult if you're unfamiliar with the package. | 21:24 |
| ari-tczew | but what do I know, I'm not developer with 10 years expierence | 21:24 |
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| cjwatson | and honestly, nobody who doesn't make themselves fairly familiar with, say, grub2 is going to be able to merge it correctly anyway | 21:25 |
| cjwatson | so I've deliberately gone for trying to be a bit more concise there, while still describing the changes adequately to explain the differences versus Debian | 21:25 |
| cjwatson | not every piece of explanation needs to live in the changelog; it can often quite reasonably live elsewheree | 21:26 |
| cjwatson | aiming for concision in changelogs doesn't imply (in the extreme) writing comment-free ultra-obscure code just because you like it that way | 21:27 |
| ari-tczew | cjwatson: do I like? kees as sponsor requires it from me | 21:27 |
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| smoser | i guess i'm missing something. | 21:32 |
| kees | smoser: ? | 21:32 |
| smoser | i bzr branch lp:ubuntu/natty/udev | 21:32 |
| smoser | cd udev | 21:32 |
| smoser | bzr bd -S ... sbuild -d natty-amd64 --arch-all ../udev_165-0ubuntu3.dsc | 21:33 |
| smoser | build fails unable to find linux/videodev.h: | 21:33 |
| ari-tczew | smoser: v4l is dead. | 21:33 |
| ari-tczew | smoser: you have to port package to support v4l2 | 21:34 |
| smoser | hm.. i see i'm out of date. maybe i need to try with 166-0ubuntu1 which isn't synced yet to bzr repo | 21:34 |
| smoser | ari-tczew, i just want to build it. should not the above basically rebuild ? | 21:35 |
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| poolie | hi smoser | 21:35 |
| ari-tczew | smoser: probably rebuild will result in FTBFS | 21:35 |
| smoser | hi poolie | 21:36 |
| ari-tczew | since linux/videodev.h is no longer supplied by linux-libc-dev | 21:36 |
| ari-tczew | zul: you might be interested in comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~ssalley/ubuntu/natty/likewise-open/likewise-open-fix-716615/+merge/49458 | 21:52 |
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| jdong | cjwatson: what's your opinion on the suitability of the natty patch for bug 232557 for SRU? | 22:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 232557 in ConsoleKit "console-kit-daemon leaks memory" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232557 | 22:06 |
| jdong | I just happened to run across a particularly horrendous occurrence of this bug leading to console-kit-daemon using close to 6GB memory | 22:07 |
| jdong | looks like the git patch is http://cgit.freedesktop.org/ConsoleKit/commit/?id=7b9212fa6aff55420c58f2cacd0a941762920337 from andersk | 22:08 |
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| cjwatson | jdong: I haven't looked at the patch (not at my laptop), but your description of the problem sounds SRUable to me | 22:52 |
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| jdong | cjwatson: *nods* Indeed the bug itself is IMO SRU-able, just the FDO bugzilla discussion worried me in that andersk seems to still express a correctness concern over the patch (e.g. a potential use-after-free) | 22:58 |
| jdong | but seeing how upstream accepted it into their latest release.... *shrug* | 22:59 |
| broder | jdong: did upstream end up taking Anders' followup _ref/_deref patch? | 23:00 |
| jdong | broder: I couldn't find evidence of that in git :-/ and the FDO bug didn't have any comments after that one. | 23:01 |
| jdong | https://bugs.freedesktop.org//show_bug.cgi?id=26227 | 23:01 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 26227 in Daemon "Memory leak" [Normal,New] | 23:01 |
| broder | ugh | 23:01 |
| RoAkSoAx | kirkland: do you want timestamp in the logging for testdrive? | 23:13 |
| kirkland | RoAkSoAx: sure! | 23:14 |
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| andersk | I posted another comment to poke upstream about that potential use-after-free. | 23:28 |
| jdong | andersk: thanks | 23:34 |
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| chrisccoulson | slangasek, re bug 439007 - the retracer doesn't run on any firefox crashes now, as they all go directly upstream since lucid (using breakpad) | 23:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 439007 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) "firefox crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439007 | 23:52 |
| slangasek | chrisccoulson: well, that was reported pre-lucid, and anyway having them sent upstream doesn't help us any with triaging that bug report... | 23:54 |
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