[08:54] <ShaneM> Mornin' all
[09:07] <moylan> hey
[09:08] <czajkowski> moylan: hiya
[09:08] <moylan> czajkowski: hope the tooth is sorted soon!
[09:09] <czajkowski> me too
[09:09] <czajkowski> feckin annoying
[09:09] <moylan> constant grinding annoyance.  it amazes how it can drive you bonkers.  hope you have good pain killers.
[09:16] <slashtom> morning czajkowski
[09:16] <slashtom> how is battling the british medical system going?
[09:17] <czajkowski> entertaining
[09:17] <czajkowski> may just give up and go private dentist
[09:18] <slashtom> i thought they were all private dentists in .uk
[09:18] <slashtom> well mostly
[09:18] <czajkowski> nope
[09:18] <czajkowski> most near me are nhs
[09:18] <slashtom> very few NHS and don't expect great service
[09:18] <czajkowski> but cant register with them as dont have nhs number due to mess up at gp services
[09:18] <slashtom> most people in britain use private dentists
[09:18] <moylan> very few nhs dentists though.  queue can be huge from what i heard.
[09:19] <slashtom> but still get your GP registration sorted, as it will be hard getting other medical services without that
[09:19] <czajkowski> yup
[09:19] <czajkowski> I'm registed there but they didnt send the form somwehere
[09:19] <czajkowski> which is the hold up on me having a nhs number
[09:21] <slashtom> hope you're enjoying living in the past ;)
[09:21] <czajkowski> mutters
[09:21] <moylan> slashtom: you haven't dealt with irish system! :-)
[09:21] <czajkowski> soo frustrating
[09:21] <czajkowski> moylan: irish system a lot easier
[09:21] <slashtom> moylan: i go private ;)
[09:21] <czajkowski> moylan: you cna go to any gp
[09:22] <czajkowski> over here I've to show proof of where I live in the area to atten 1 gp
[09:22] <slashtom> and when i did see a GP, i just turned up and paid my €70
[09:22] <moylan> i go private for dentist too.  my dentist is flippin genius.  no pain whatsoever!
[09:22] <slashtom> aye, i have a great eastern european girl to work on my teeth
[09:22] <czajkowski> slashtom: 70 is very steep
[09:22] <czajkowski> usually betweet 45-55
[09:23] <slashtom> it was a weekend iirc
[09:23] <czajkowski> gp in dublin was 45
[09:23] <czajkowski> gp in limerick is 50
[09:23] <czajkowski> slashtom: hh that wuld be why so
[09:23] <slashtom> did you use a gp in dublin 7?
[09:23] <czajkowski> yup
[09:23] <czajkowski> stoney batter
[09:23] <czajkowski> manor street
[09:24] <czajkowski> very nice place
[09:24] <slashtom> any recommendations, for next time i'm ill
[09:24] <czajkowski> yup tis grand very helpful
[09:24] <czajkowski> and good at squeezing folks in
[09:24] <czajkowski> just up past traffic lights on the right hand side
[09:24] <slashtom> dr mullan?
[09:25] <czajkowski> there are a few in there
[09:25] <czajkowski> not sure
[09:25] <slashtom> ah
[09:25] <slashtom> okies
[09:26] <slashtom> we need to wander up that way, and get some fancy beer from the fancy off-licence in stoneybatter
[09:26] <slashtom> british beer, i would add... it's the *only* thing i miss
[09:27]  * slashtom welcomes ebel with a latte
[09:27] <ebel> o/
[09:28] <czajkowski> slashtom: I miss saussages sooo much over here
[09:28] <czajkowski> have found richmond irish ones
[09:28] <czajkowski> but they're no where near as nice as galtee or superquinn ones
[09:28] <moylan> nothing like irish pork sausages!
[09:29] <czajkowski> moylan: EXACTLY
[09:29] <czajkowski> over here they are all friggign full of herbes
[09:29] <czajkowski> so wrong
[09:29] <moylan> the scots do a sausage in a can that is devine though!
[09:31] <moylan> maybe an independent butcher makes proper sozzies.
[09:32] <czajkowski> nope
[09:32] <czajkowski> longer larger all variations of herbs
[09:32] <czajkowski> trust me I've looked
[09:32] <czajkowski> :s
[09:32] <czajkowski> mate is over in March
[09:32] <czajkowski> coming with rashers and saussages
[09:32]  * czajkowski misses Galtee! 
[09:33] <moylan> when i was in london in 80s i remember some shops sold galtee products. weren't cheap though.  large irish market.
[09:33] <ebel> they probably sell polish sausages now :P
[09:33] <ebel> there's bound to be some expat shops.
[09:33] <moylan> every time we traveled there, went with box of tayto under arm too! :-)
[09:34] <czajkowski> I dont mind the crisps
[09:34] <czajkowski> decent enough selection
[09:34] <czajkowski> but damn it I just want my bacon!!!
[09:34] <ebel> we're still sending boxes of taytos to australia, even though they moved out 15 years ago
[09:34] <moylan> not a fan of british crisps.  heard that even china now has started importing irish food.
[09:35] <czajkowski> kettle crisps yummy
[09:35] <ebel> ireland is one of the largest exporters of beef etc
[09:35] <ShaneM> I haven't had breakfast yet! T_T
[09:35]  * slashtom likes taytos!
[09:35] <moylan> not just beef.  irish crisps and other assorted processed foods.  they seem to like the flavours.
[09:35] <ebel> http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=49 this is a cartogram of meat exporters. we're literally a giant
[09:36] <czajkowski> I can get irish chicken fillets
[09:36] <czajkowski> :o
[09:36] <moylan> have lidl irish pork sausages in fridge.  will have to cook them tonight. :-)
[09:36] <moylan> sizzle!
[09:36] <czajkowski> moylan: oi meanie!!!
[09:36] <ShaneM> Hey what's the story with ilug? Is no one actively updating it anymore? I'm pretty sure this has been asked before....
[09:37] <czajkowski> slashtom: ask in #linux on irc.linux.ie
[09:37] <czajkowski> :)
[09:37] <czajkowski> ShaneM: ^^^^^^6
[09:37] <ebel> ShaneM: what do you mean exactly?
[09:37] <ShaneM> Yerrrrr,will drop in later.
[09:37] <ebel> mailing list is a good place to ask
[09:37] <moylan> there are enough people travelling to the uk that it should be easy to arrange a constant delivery line.  smuggling sausages to the uk.  i remember in the 70s a relative who flew to the states with most of a pig in her luggage.
[09:37] <ShaneM> ebel: Yeah the mailing list is active, but the site looks derelict.
[09:38] <slashtom> that's geek UI design
[09:38] <ShaneM> linux.ie would be the first place that new users go in ireland and they find a site that looks dead. ... doesn't really make sense to me @_@
[09:39] <czajkowski> ShaneM: it's been under revew for some time, but they like it that basic
[09:39] <ShaneM> czajkowskI: Yeah I remember someone mentioning it before.
[09:39] <ShaneM> Just wondered what the situation was with it.
[09:48] <ShaneM> czajkowski: Did you find someone good for that job in the end? :)
[09:50] <czajkowski> ShaneM: we hired about 4 I think
[09:50] <czajkowski> still hoping to hire more in a few months time for our new offices
[09:50] <ShaneM> Excellent :)
[09:52] <ShaneM> ....I ask someone what software packages they want me to install to show them how to use them and they ask me to install powerpoint....
[09:53] <ShaneM> That's the definition of bad communication right there.
[09:55] <moylan> shanem: no biggie.  just ask for them to pay for the licence _or_ give them libre office for free.  works 90% of the time i encounter that.
[09:57] <czajkowski> ShaneM: problem is people associate a word with an item
[09:57] <czajkowski> like one hoovers things
[09:57] <czajkowski> when in reality you vaccum someting
[09:57] <czajkowski> it's a term they associate something with
[09:57] <ebel> Install LibreOffice, tell them that's the name for Powerpoint in Ubuntu :P
[09:58] <ShaneM> I thought I was being clear when I said "What dev libraries do you want me to bring". xD
[09:58] <ebel> Most people don't think "Powerpoint = that software from MS." they think "Powerpoint = the thing that lets me make slides and presentations"
[09:58] <moylan> the quick guide to user knowledge level is 'what browser do they use?'
[09:59] <ebel> moylan: "I use the Googles"
[09:59] <moylan> then give them a yoyo and install libre office without informing them! :-)
[10:00] <ebel> Deffo,
[10:00] <ebel> Most people don't know what 'presentation software' is. they will say "powerpoint" instead.
[10:01] <ebel> Mostly they don't want "MS Powerpoint", they want "Some Presentation Software"
[10:01] <moylan> most of my customers don't know powerpoint, they just tknow that there are emails that can't be opened.
[11:02] <moynihan> not strictly on topic, but I'm finding it a wee bit difficult to find answers on this
[11:02] <moynihan> does anyone know if the jokosher project is dead?
[11:02] <ebel> 'ello moynihan
[11:03] <ebel> moynihan: if you hadn't cut off your hair, you'd know this :P
[11:03] <ebel> moynihan: though about jokosher I dunno
[11:03] <ebel> (I really should !CoC myself for that comment though)
[11:03] <ebel> !coc | ebel
[11:07] <ebel> moynihan: the launchpad code repositoty (https://code.launchpad.net/~jokosher-code/jokosher/main) shows some activity this year... but not a lot
[11:09] <moynihan> yea any of the contact links on the site are broken
[11:10] <ebel> yeah i see some broken links aswell
[11:10] <moynihan> I havent read the CoC, but I'm assuming swearing in here wont be hugely well received
[11:10] <ebel> !coc
[11:11] <moynihan> hence the fact I didnt reply to your comment on my appearance :)
[11:11] <ebel> moynihan: basically "don't be mean and be helpful" (my initial comment was *ahem* less than helpful :) )
[11:11] <ebel> not all software needs to be actively developed all the time. just cause something hasn't been updated in 5 years doesn't mean it's useless.
[11:12] <moynihan> yea slighty
[11:12] <moynihan> well tbh i was kinda hopin to get involved and help em out
[11:12] <ebel> jokosher might work fine for what you or others need. that's the more relevant question...
[11:12] <moynihan> (incidentally wouldnt it have been funny if I wasnt who you thought I was)
[11:13] <ebel> I did check that it was you, just to make sure :P
[11:13] <ebel> well you can still get involved, even if it is 'dead'
[11:14] <ebel> in fact it can be a good learning experience. there's a lot to do, and bound to be ex-active-developers you can ask for help.
[11:15] <moynihan> yea, problem is that literally every page on the site with info on what they're lookin for, including their docs wiki is dead...
[11:16] <ebel> look at the outstanding bugs?
[11:16] <ebel> Start using it yourself and see what you wished it did?
[11:18] <moynihan> well i do use it, tbh as well you know I'm not much of a coder, so i was kinda hopin to do some grunt work as a learning experience
[11:18] <moynihan> suppose open bugs're the way to go
[11:18] <tdr112> morning
[11:31] <moynihan> on the subject of actually contributing, is there anything the loco team needs that I can help out with
[11:32] <moynihan> ?
[11:32] <ebel> :)
[11:33] <czajkowski> are ubuntu-ie holding a bug jam this year ?
[11:33] <ebel> everything from running and organising events, to working on our website, to contributing to the loco directory, etc.
[11:33] <ebel> czajkowski: when's it on?
[11:33] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/567/detail/
[11:38] <ebel> hmmm
[11:41] <ebel> we haven't anything planned
[11:42]  * ebel adds to the irc meeting
[11:43] <ebel> our meetings have been taking a while recently
[11:47] <ebel> reminds me of the People's Front of Judea always having meetings :)
[11:48] <moynihan> SPLITTER
[13:55]  * slashtom sees the agenda for tomorrow's meeting
[13:55] <slashtom> 3 items are the same thing!
[13:55] <slashtom> regarding the 11.04 discs
[13:56] <ebel> hehehe
[13:56] <ebel> yes more or less
[13:57] <ebel> I'll edit it to consilidate it
[13:57] <slashtom> thanks ebel
[13:58] <ebel> Merged!
[20:29] <Belserusk> Hi guys. Does Zeitgeist automatically update after each reboot or login?
[20:43] <lau1> evening all
[21:54] <czajkowski> davem: who is the current president of skynet
[21:58] <davem> marque (ogami)
[22:01] <czajkowski> thanks