[08:42]  * apw yawns
[08:43] <smb> morning
[08:44] <jjohansen> morning
[08:47] <apw> morning
[09:26] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:27] <AlanBell> I am investigating some clock drift issues in KVM guests, Ubuntu 10.04.1 server host, Ubuntu 10.10 server guest
[09:28] <AlanBell> the host does support the constant_tsc cpu flag
[09:29] <AlanBell> I can't confirm that the guests are using it, dmesg | egrep "(tsc|TSC)" returns nothing
[09:29] <AlanBell> expired bug 444531 may be relevant/similar
[09:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 444531 in kvm "Guest kernel can't read TSC frequency from the hypervisor" [Medium,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444531
[09:31]  * apw notes the bug has expired
[09:33] <AlanBell> it has, also relates to Karmic, but it is the closest I could find
[09:34] <AlanBell> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource does contain "tsc hpet acpi_pm"
[11:32] <herton> apw: kernel-buglist-by-team.html still unavailable correct?
[11:54]  * apw has to run and supervise a plumber, will have my lappy with me
[13:19] <apw> herton, seems so indeed ...
[13:19] <apw> JFo, the key bugs list is MIA
[13:26] <tgardner> apw, are there mumble issues today?
[13:27] <smb> tgardner, I seem to be logged in
[13:27] <smb> still
[13:27] <tgardner> it hates me
[13:27] <smb> It hates all of us... just differently
[13:28] <herton> tgardner, there was someone complaining to IS today about not being able to connect
[13:29] <herton> but I'm logged in ok too here
[13:29] <tgardner> sometimes there are single sign-on issues
[13:30] <apw> tgardner, i haven't had trouble, but not been paying much attention
[13:30] <tgardner> what will I do if I can't talk to my homies all day?
[13:30] <smb> Be very productive. *slap*
[13:35]  * apw pokes JFo 
[14:01]  * JFo grumbles
[14:01] <JFo> :)
[14:01] <JFo> morning apw
[14:12] <JFo> apw, finally had to change it back to EDGE
[14:12] <JFo> running now
[14:13] <apw_> ok sounds odd bit ...
[14:15] <JFo> well, I suspect the other may be caused by version issues maybe, but I am not sure.
[14:15] <JFo> I did everything they said to do and it continued to fail
[14:18] <apw_> hrm  ... odd indeed
[14:19] <JFo> could still be something I was doing wrong
[14:19] <JFo> in fact, that is most likely it
[14:19] <JFo> at any rate...
[14:20] <JFo> apw, it is up now
[14:21] <JFo> apologies for the delay
[14:46] <tgardner> bjf[afk], sconklin: when do the verification-needed tags get applied?
[14:46] <sconklin> tgardner: brad and I will do that today. We apply them after they are copied to -proposed. No real automation for that yet aside of a script that helps
[14:47] <tgardner> sconklin, ah, thanks.
[14:47] <tgardner> just going through my bug spew after moving stuff to -proposed
[14:47] <sconklin> tgardner: I'm just about all spun up here again after a multi-hour power outage
[14:48] <tgardner> sconklin, hmm, sucks to be you. you've had some exceptionally bad weather this winter.
[14:48] <sconklin> tgardner: two months of terrible weather, and the power goes out after three beautiful days with temps in the 60s. Go figure
[14:49] <tgardner> maybe some drunk dufus smacked a power pole
[15:00] <apw> heh ... so very believeable
[15:11] <pmatulis> what can we say about a process that causes /proc/vmallocinfo to grow without bounds?
[15:16] <hernil> Hello people! I have a kernel-related bug as described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10458430#post10458 Any tips? 
[15:23] <bullgard> JFo: I get a kernel error message similar to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495674&trim=no . What package should I associate my error report in Launchpad to?" (My question has not been answered in #ubuntu-bugs for > 8 hours.)
[15:23] <ubot2> Debian bug 495674 in alsa-utils "[udev] Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting..." [Minor,Open]
[15:24]  * JFo looks
[15:25] <JFo> bullgard, I would say udev as I seem to recall that we have a specific package for those
[15:25] <bullgard> JFo: Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate that.
[15:25] <JFo> bullgard, my pleasure
[15:25] <JFo> let me know if you encounter issues
[15:26] <hallyn> so are pulls from Linus' tree generally done on fridays, or is that in my head?
[15:27] <JFo> hallyn, do you mean for mainline kernels?
[15:27] <JFo> or something else?
[15:27] <hallyn> yeah
[15:27] <hallyn> for ubuntu-natty
[15:27] <tgardner> hallyn, generally when we see something interesting, like a bug fix or an rc candidate
[15:27] <JFo> I think we pull them whenever we have an RC
[15:27] <JFo> what tgardner said
[15:28] <tgardner> hallyn, do you have something in mind?
[15:28] <hallyn> my patch is affected by a patch by cdub which isn't yet in ubuntu-natty.  I'll just do it against linux-2.6 for now then, thanks
[15:28] <hallyn> well, i don't care about his patch per se, i just don't want to re-rebase and then re-re-rebase to push to lkml :)
[15:28] <tgardner> hallyn, we often rebase against an intermediate tip
[15:28] <hernil> How can I add Nattys main repo to my maverick install to test Natty kernel? 
[15:29] <tgardner> hernil, use https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa
[15:29] <hallyn> the one pinching me is 47970b1b2aa64464bc0a9543e86361a622ae7c03 from last thursday.  
[15:30] <tgardner> hallyn, that got reverted
[15:30] <hallyn> oh?
[15:30] <tgardner> hallyn, yep, but we have not uploaded a kernel with that revert in it yet
[15:30] <hallyn> actually 6037b715d6fab139742c3df8851db4c823081561
[15:30] <tgardner> see f00eaeea7a42b5ea327e9ce8839cb0b53d3bdb4e
[15:31] <hallyn> haha
[15:31] <hallyn> but, that only reverts the user
[15:31] <tgardner> is that not sufficient for you?
[15:31] <hallyn> It's the addition of struct cred arg to security_capable() that's chafing me
[15:31] <hallyn> and that was not reverted
[15:32] <tgardner> ok, thats a different problem. you gonna make a patch for Linus ?
[15:32] <hallyn> No, I don't think they intend to revert that.  Rather probably find a different way to use it
[15:33] <hallyn> So my problem is just that I also add an argument to some of the same functions, so patches clash.  I was just trying to decide whether to wait for an ubuntu-natty tree update rather than have two patchsets
[15:33] <tgardner> well, it would only take me a few minutes to run a rebase.
[15:33] <hallyn> duh.  i'll just cherrypick that patch for my ubuntu-natty tree
[15:34] <tgardner> that works too
[15:34] <hallyn> tgardner: if it was something you were going to do soon anyway, sure - but I can cp it
[15:34] <hallyn> I'm still too stressed from the drive to drop off the kids
[15:34] <tgardner> :) ok, gimme a few minutes.
[15:34]  * hallyn isn't a commute kinda guy
[15:34] <hallyn> great, thanks
[15:36] <tgardner> hallyn, actually, it looks like apw has already rebased against tip.
[15:37] <tgardner> UBUNTU: rebase to 795abaf1e4e188c4171e3cd3dbb11a9fcacaf505
[15:37] <hernil> tgardner, thanks. And then what package do I install? :-) 
[15:38] <hallyn> tgardner: hm, I had just fetched an hour ago, let me check
[15:38] <tgardner> hernil, use one of the meta packages in linux-meta-lts-backport-natty, likely -generic
[15:39] <tgardner> hernil, 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty'
  not seeing it here - refetching
[15:41] <hernil> tgardner, I think I'm unable to update the package list because of some problem with a ppa. Just keep getting this message: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 4B6DCB2258043CFF
[15:41] <hernil> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 10975893E549B1AC
[15:42] <bjf> ##
[15:42] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:42] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[15:42] <bjf> ##
[15:42] <tgardner> hernil, its just a warning that you can ignore. otherwise, see /Read about installing' in the PPA page.
[15:44] <hernil> tgardner, I've added the ppa and done a sudo apt-get update, but can't find the package name you gave me =/ 
[15:45] <tgardner> hernil, 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty' doesn't work?
[15:46] <hernil> tgardner, nope. E: Unable to locate package linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty
[15:47] <tgardner> hernil, how did you add the PPA source? a new file under /etc/apt/sources.d ?
[15:47] <tgardner> /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[15:48] <hernil> tgardner, No, I used 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa'
[15:48] <tgardner> hernil, then it likely gave you the wrong pocket, e.g., maverick instead of lucid
[15:49] <hernil> tgardner, How do I fix that? I'm currently on a Maverick system. 
[15:50] <tgardner> hernil, you'll have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:54] <hernil> tgardner, The ppa you gave doesn't seem to have a maverick "version". In the technical details this is what it says: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main  deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main 
[15:56] <tgardner> hernil, no, it'll have a lucid version. its the same source code but uses the lucid tools to compile the kernel. it ought to be fine.
[15:57] <tgardner> hernil, what graphics chipset are you using? I remembered that X might not work for you in some cases with the backport.
[15:58] <hernil> tgardner, there we go. Added them manually and it worked. I'll install 'linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty'
[15:58] <tgardner> its primarily intended for server enablement work
[15:59] <hernil> tgarnder, I'm using a Dell laptop (Inspiron D531) nothing fancy. If I install this I will still have my current kernel in GRUB so I can boot en remove the new one if it doesn't work? 
[15:59] <tgardner> hernil, yep.
[16:00] <hernil> Then I'll just go for it. My problem is trouble with my new SSDs performance with the current kernel. 
[16:02] <hallyn> tgardner: I'm still not seeing any commit past Wed Feb 9
[16:03] <hernil> tgardner, will this give me the headers too? 
[16:03] <tgardner> hernil, not unless you also install the headers package
[16:03] <hernil> tgardner, do I need them? 
[16:04] <hernil> tgardner, for now I just 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty' 'ed
[16:04] <tgardner> hallyn, are you using master-next ?
[16:04] <hallyn> no
[16:04] <tgardner> hernil, you shouldn't need the headers package.
[16:04] <hallyn> tgardner: neat.  thanks
[16:05] <hernil> tgardner, then I'll be right back. Rebooting to test! 
[16:05] <tgardner> hallyn, thats where the most recent bits live.
[16:25] <pmatulis> what kernel are we getting with 10.04.2 ?
[16:25] <tgardner> pmatulis, 2.6.32 ?
[16:25] <hernil> tgardner, I got to boot, but it didn't really solve my problem. Could we continue with PMs?  
[16:26] <smb> tgardner, I was inclined to say the same. Guess he wants to know which subversion. sconklin may know
[16:26] <pmatulis> tgardner: k, right.  but there will be option to install with lts backport
[16:27] <tgardner> hernil, no PMs on a public forum. besides, I'm not sure I can help you with your SSD performance issues anyways. its kind of subject to the work load.
[16:27] <tgardner> pmatulis, on the DVD
[16:27] <pmatulis> smb: yes, the subversion
[16:27] <sconklin> pmatulis: 2.6.32-28.55, same as is in updates now
[16:27] <pmatulis> sconklin: ok
[16:27] <tgardner> pmatulis, dunno, you'll have to ask skaet what ultimately ended up in the release
[16:28] <hernil> tgardner, Okey :-) Is the kernel I tested now different from yesterdays natty daily-build? 
[16:28] <pmatulis> smb: i'm asking b/c i thought it might help with what i'm seeing.  .32 is giving me oom trouble with vsftpd stress test while lts-backport .35 is very fine
[16:29] <tgardner> hernil, no, the pre-proposed natty kernel is the absolute bleeding edge. the backport tends to lag by a week or more.
[16:30]  * smb is not sure he want to know what vsftp is
[16:31] <hernil> tgardner, Okey. So if I wait for a week or so and update my system as normal I'd get the kernel I tested yesterday? 
[16:31] <pmatulis> smb: it's a very popular ftp daemon which is in main
[16:32] <tgardner> hernil, its not deterministic, but yes, it'll eventually catch up
[16:32] <pmatulis> smb: /proc/vmallocinfo fills up until oom invoked (500 lines) but .35 test will never show more than 2 lines
[16:33] <smb> pmatulis, Oh, that was that very secure ftpd stuff. Hm, 
[16:33] <pmatulis> smb: will open bug but i thought i might ask in here first
[16:34] <hernil> tgardner, Ok. Do you know if the bug I'm experiencing is official and fixed? Should I report somewhere? 
[16:34] <pmatulis> smb: why would vmallocinfo be so different in .35?
[16:34] <apw> pmatulis, you say it fills up, what does it fill up with
[16:35] <apw> mine has 169 on my laptop when quiet
[16:35] <pmatulis> apw: i will need to redo the test to get that
[16:35] <apw> each line give you a hint as to whome is to blame for the mapping
[16:36] <tgardner> hernil, what bug? I'm not sure a slow device constitutes a bug. there is a large performance range difference between the various manufacturers.
[16:36] <pmatulis> apw: ok but no weird that just a different kernel will make things better?  can it sill be the application at fault?
[16:37] <apw> pmatulis, there would be some 60k changesets between the two kernels, so anything is possible
[16:37] <hernil> tgardner, I guess it's a bug when the drive has expected performance in lucid and then goes down to normal HDD-speed with maverick? 
[16:39] <apw> JFo, about ?
[16:45] <bjf> ##
[16:45] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in 15 minutes
[16:45] <bjf> ##
[16:46] <tgardner> hernil, perhaps, but its an issue that'll have to be solved by the upstream developers.
[16:47] <JFo> apw, yessir
[16:47] <apw> JFo, have all of the regression-potentials on our key bugs list been reviewed now?
[16:48] <JFo> there shouldn't be any regression-potential
[16:48] <hernil> tgardner, I see, but how do I make them aware of the problem? Could you point me in the right direction? :-) 
[16:48] <JFo> I still need to remove all regression-potential tags
[16:48] <JFo> as that is a deprecated tag now
[16:49] <JFo> wait, do you mean regression-proposed apw ?
[16:49] <apw> yes, i keep saying that wrong, yes i mean proposed
[16:49] <JFo> I believe they should be.
[16:50]  * JFo goes to look
[16:50] <tgardner> hernil, you can send an email to LKML, but don't be surprised if you don't get a response. Do your homework on SSDs. There are some performance tricks that involve partition alignment depending on the device, etc.
[16:51] <hernil> tgardner, I'm in no way knowledga 
[16:51] <JFo> looks like there is only one in our list, but it is the wrong status
[16:52] <apw> there are two next to each other n the top table alone ?
[16:52]  * JFo looks again
[16:52] <hernil> tgardner, * I'm in no way knowledgeable when it comes to SSDs but I've done som research the last couple of days. Alignment was one of the things I got confirmed was all right :-)  
[16:53] <JFo> ah, I needed to refresh :)
[16:53] <tgardner> hernil, well then, you've surpassed my knowledge
[16:53] <apw> JFo, and i dee 5 at least in the incomplete table
[16:53] <cking> I think the alignment should be automatically set to a fairly optimal state by the installer
[16:53] <JFo> well, the one that just appeared is brand new
[16:54] <JFo> as of an hour ago
[16:54] <JFo> the only ones I see are in incomplete without response
[16:54] <JFo> are those the ones you are referring to?
[16:54] <apw> 717970	Undecided	New			After sleep, key presses get lost and trackpad is jittery		regression-proposed	
[16:54] <apw> 719393	Undecided	New			package linux-image-2.6.35-27-generic (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive		regression-proposed	
[16:55] <JFo> right, the second one is brand new
[16:55] <apw> JFo, and yes there are indeed a number under incomplete.  but we need to know they are -proposed truly
[16:55] <JFo> ah right, 
[16:55] <hernil> tgardner, thank's for all your help! I'll continue poking around and see if i get somewhere :-) 
[16:55] <apw> cause they should _all_ offiically be blockers to a -proposed to -updates shift
[16:55] <JFo> I agree
[16:55] <apw> and therefore they should be of interest to sconklin and bjf
[16:56] <JFo> sorry, my mind was somewhere else
[16:56] <apw> and they need to be uptodate to be any use what so ever
[17:13] <apw> JFo, hey ... there are regression-proposed bugs on natty ... they should be regression-release
[17:13] <JFo> ? 
[17:13] <apw> JFo, and you are not hearing us on mumble
[17:13] <JFo> gah
[17:13] <JFo> one sec...
[17:31] <JFo> <-food
[17:36]  * tgardner --> lugging servers around
[18:01] <apw> bryceh, hey about ?
[18:01] <apw> bryceh, bug #716811 ... 
[18:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 716811 in nfs-utils "[SandyBridge] kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/fs/nfsd/nfs4state.c:3132!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716811
[18:02] <apw> did you have any idea which fix was relevant here?  i read the email list, and pulled the branches that tagahashi tested which seemed to get a change on 11th and yet the branch only goes up to the 6th
[18:18] <bryceh> apw, no, I had some trouble pulling his tree.  I ended up just switching off nfsv4; has been stable for me since then.
[18:18] <apw> bryceh, ok ... bah
[18:43] <JFo> gah, burned my tongue at lunch :-(
[18:44] <kamal> ... but will this make JFo any less loud?   hmmm.   ;-)
[18:44] <JFo> doubtful ;)
[18:48] <JFo> hey kamal,how is the newest DJ doing?
[18:49] <JFo> rather kamal,
[18:49] <JFo> my typing is horrible on a good day
[18:50] <kamal> JFo: oh she's doing fine -- still enjoying fooling with the DJ gear
[18:50] <bode> hi people, I own a sony vaio vccw with nvidiagt230. I always get a black screen on boot with maverick kernel 2.6.35, but we I tried natty alpha1 kernel 2.6.37 the problem finally was solved, now with natty alpha2 adn kernel 2.6.38 the problem is returnet (no more black screen, but on the screen remains the GRUB image, while the system is booted (i checked it on an external monitor))
[18:50] <JFo> kamal, excellent! :)
[18:50] <bode> i want to know if this problem is well known, thanks! 
[18:56] <janimo> apw, is the decision to remove versatile from natty made?
[18:57] <apw> janimo, /me is unaware of any significant progress on that 
[18:58] <janimo> apw, any discussion needed or blocked on something?
[18:59] <ogra> fyi i just removed imx51 from the seeds
[18:59] <apw> janimo, i thought there was testing going on, and i've not seen the outcome
[18:59] <apw> perhaps ogra knows as the testing was in his team i think
[18:59] <janimo> apw, ah, testing of qemu and omap?
[18:59] <apw> yep
[18:59] <ogra> janimo, yeah
[18:59] <ogra> we need to make sure the vm still runs
[18:59] <janimo> well, omap3 linaro images boot in qemu-linaro
[19:00] <jjohansen> bode: there are a number of video/display bugs but I am unsure if yours is the same as existing ones.  File a bug and then with all the appropriate information etc, it can be determined whether its a duplicate
[19:00] <apw> janimo, yep, and those arn't our images sadly
[19:00] <ogra> janimo, rootstock will need changes first
[19:00] <janimo> ogra, what changes does rootstock need?
[19:00] <janimo> I was hooing the package naming made that unnecessary
[19:00] <ogra> it looks for the versatile kernel from netboot atm
[19:00] <rsalveti> janimo: just to get the omap3 kernel
[19:00] <janimo> the qmeu-linary bin package names I mean
[19:01] <rsalveti> I can help on that
[19:01] <apw> bode, nope i am not aware of that symptom set, please file a bug on the -3.30 kernel (if its still there)
[19:01] <ogra> should be only a few lines
[19:01] <ogra> and a testrun with both modes (root and non root)
[19:06] <bode> apw: ok, i'll file a bug  (what do you mean with  -3.30 kernel (if its still there)??)
[19:06] <apw> i mean testing the latest natty kerenl, and filing the bug if the issue is still there
[19:07] <bode> i tried also today with the daily-live image
[19:08] <bode> and the bug was there
[19:15]  * tgardner --> lunch
[20:13] <tgardner> pgraner, you've gone deaf
[20:16] <sforshee> apw, bug 717189
[20:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 717189 in linux "thinkpad t410 freezes reproducibly upon resume from suspend" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717189
[20:17] <apw> apw@agent57:~$ sysctl -a | grep kstack
[20:17] <apw> error: permission denied on key 'kernel.cad_pid'
[20:17] <apw> kernel.kstack_depth_to_print = 24
[20:35] <Guest83863> apw: bug filed! 
[20:35] <Guest83863> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/719571
[20:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 719571 in xorg "Natty Alpha2 monitor doesn't work, SonyVaio VPCCW1, NVIDIA GT230M" [Undecided,New]
[20:35] <lamont`> apw: around?
[20:40] <apw> lamont, sup
[20:41]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:47] <lamont> apw: -> /query
[20:56] <tgardner> pgraner, so, I'm shucking and jiving with my USB audio headset. no crashes yet using just Banshee.
[20:57] <pgraner> tgardner, try mumble
[20:57] <tgardner> pgraner, working on it
[21:00] <bode> apw: can you check if the information on the bug are usefull or if something else is needed?
[21:00] <tgardner> bode, I think apw is done for the day. he's in the UK
[21:03] <bode> ops.. i'm in italy, i always forget about the time!