[09:52] <persia> lifeless, elky, Vantrax, e-jat, takdir, freeflying, amachu : meeting starting in a few minutes.  Let's make sure enough of us are here in advance.
[09:52] <lifeless> 11pm
[09:52] <lifeless> kinda here
[09:53] <freeflying> should be here
[10:02] <persia> Right.  Need one more.
[10:05] <czajkowski> persia: i'm about if you need one more
[10:06] <persia> Well, let's make sure we have some candidates then :)
[10:06] <persia> ogitux, You seem to be the only candidate on our list currently in -meeting.  Are you up for your membership review now?
[10:08] <sagaci> is this Asia-Oceania meeting or the Community Council meeting
[10:09] <udienz> sagaci, Asia/Oceania meeting
[10:09] <persia> sagaci, Asia-Oceania.  Community Council would be in an hour, although the agenda doesn't have any specific items, so there may not be a formal meeting this week.
[10:09] <sagaci> no worries, I had a look at the calendar but I'm not good with timezones
[10:10] <persia> Well, looks like ogitux quit.
[10:10] <udienz> persia, wait..
[10:11] <udienz> ogitux says me he try to got new connections
[10:11] <persia> udienz, Ah, OK.
[10:11] <udienz> he will reconnect soon
[10:11] <ogitux> sorry dc
[10:11] <sagaci> yay
[10:11] <persia> Right then.
[10:11] <persia> #startmeeting
[10:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 04:11. The chair is persia.
[10:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[10:12] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[10:12] <persia> [TOPIC] Membership application for Adnan Kashogi (ogitux)
[10:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[10:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Membership application for Adnan Kashogi (ogitux)
[10:12] <persia> [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Adnan_Kashogi
[10:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Adnan_Kashogi
[10:12] <persia> ogitux, Please introduce yourself.
[10:12] <ogitux> My name is Adnan kashogi I live in jakarta Indonesia, the activity of my work and college, I worked in the IT Staff and I went to college majoring in information systems
[10:13] <ogitux> I joined in ubuntu members to develop open source in my country, I now also active in BlankOn Linux as a team Packager
[10:14] <ogitux> enough
[10:15] <persia> Yes.  Looking at your wiki page, you have a lot of sections, but not much content.  What have you been doing for Ubuntu?
[10:16] <ogitux> persia:I have been active in mailing list ubuntu - and so did my irc help translate the Indonesian translator. to witnesses here udienz
[10:17] <czajkowski> ogitux: but your wiki page doesnt mention any of this work
[10:19] <ogitux> czajkowski: I forgot to prepare my constraints on the wiki wiki recording was just being my friends can see my activity on the account launchpad
[10:20] <czajkowski> ogitux: https://launchpad.net/~vmlokal/+karma
[10:20] <persia> ogitux, Do you want to try to document stuff on the wiki page for the next meeting, or explain your activities in depth now?
[10:20] <czajkowski> shows here you were very active in the last few hours, then a few days ago.
[10:21] <ogitux> persia: ok
[10:22] <ogitux> my activity not only in the launchpad, but I work, dimilis, and irc
[10:23] <persia> What are dimilis?
[10:23] <ogitux> at milis and irc
[10:24]  * udienz supporting ogitux
[10:24] <ogitux> udienz: thx :)
[10:24] <persia> Anyone else have questions?
[10:25] <ogitux> udienz: is my partner in ubuntu indonesia
[10:27] <persia> OK.  No other questions.  Time for voting.
[10:27] <persia> [VOTE] Confirm Adnan Kashogi as an Ubuntu Member
[10:27] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Confirm Adnan Kashogi as an Ubuntu Member.
[10:27] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[10:27] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[10:28] <persia> -1 : I need to see clear documentation, on the wiki or in IRC of significant and sustained contribution to feel comfortable confirming a member.
[10:28] <MootBot> -1 received from persia. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[10:28] <persia> lifeless, freeflying, czajkowski ?
[10:29] <czajkowski> -1 right now
[10:29] <MootBot> -1 received from czajkowski. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
[10:29] <lifeless> -0
[10:30] <persia> freeflying, ?
[10:31] <freeflying> +0
[10:31] <MootBot> Abstention received from freeflying. 0 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2
[10:32] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[10:32] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 2 against. 1 abstained. Total: -2
[10:32] <persia> ogitux, Please document your contributions in a bit more detail, and come back as soon as they are documented.
[10:32] <ogitux> persia: ok
[10:32] <persia> If you have questions about the documentation, or are unsure, feel free to ask me for assistance.
[10:32] <persia> udienz, Could you also help ogitux to improve the wiki page?
[10:32] <ogitux> persia: ok thanks
[10:33] <udienz> persia, yup, i will help him
[10:33] <persia> udienz, Thanks
[10:33] <persia> OK.  Thanks for coming everyone.  We'll have our next meeting on the first of March.
[10:34] <czajkowski> persia: hopefully more members will show :) otherwise just ask for members from other boards :)
[10:34] <czajkowski> it was just by chance I looked at this channel.
[10:34] <persia> czajkowski, I'll do that.
[10:38] <persia> #endmeeting
[10:38] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 04:38.
[10:39] <czajkowski> 20 mins to CC meeting
[10:39] <czajkowski> time for tea
[10:43] <persia> tea!
[11:03] <czajkowski> persia: dholbach popey CC meeting ??
[11:03] <czajkowski> is there one taking place now ?
[11:03] <persia> There's one scheduled now.  The agenda doesn't have anything for current discussion
[11:03] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[11:03] <dholbach> there is - thanks for the ping
[11:03] <persia> We talked about 605969 a while ago.
[11:04] <dholbach> persia, maybe we can use this as an opportunity to catch up about things that are WIP right now?
[11:04] <czajkowski> persia: so should it still be on agenda, or has a resoltion been made about it ?
[11:04] <persia> dholbach, Works for me.  Do we have quorum?  Shall we flush out the agenda?
[11:04] <popey> o/
[11:04] <dholbach> let me see who else I can round up
[11:05] <dholbach> let's wait 2-3 more mins
[11:06] <dholbach> I pinged everybody on the CC
[11:09] <dholbach> ok, let's just go on
[11:09] <dholbach> indeed, there's bug 605969 - but I don't have any updates on it
[11:10] <dholbach> there's also bug 689893
[11:10] <dholbach> popey, persia: do you have other "open items" to add?
[11:11] <popey> i do not
[11:11] <persia> Not I.
[11:11] <dholbach> there's the wiki relicensing question - I'll get an update from IS on the question of mailing contributors tomorrow or the day after
[11:11] <popey> actually I have a new issue
[11:11] <dholbach> I think the CoC problem is something we should address - maybe we can ping everybody to reread the thread and come up with possible solutions?
[11:12] <dholbach> popey, which one?
[11:12] <popey> I'd like someone to respectfully, nicely and with the right words.. kick the IS team to fix the wiki.
[11:12] <persia> I think hggdh had some good ideas: maybe we could ask for some recommended definitions, to focus on approval?
[11:12] <czajkowski> popey: the time out issue when you make an edit on the wiki ?
[11:12] <persia> popey, fix meaning not crash several times on each operation, or fix meaning the licensing?
[11:13] <popey> the former persia
[11:13] <popey> yes czajkowski
[11:13] <popey> the numerous errors that result in the wiki being a frustrating service to use
[11:13] <persia> Yes, that would be nice.
[11:13] <czajkowski> it is crazy how that is still happening, and it must happen a lot of people.
[11:13] <persia> I know of cases where people have not put information on the wiki because it is frustrating.
[11:13] <dholbach> does anyone want to talk to IS about it? I'm sure there's an open ticket for it?
[11:14]  * popey invokes AlanBell 
[11:14] <popey> AlanBell: whats the status of the 'fix the wiki' issue?
[11:14] <popey> I am getting Deja Vu, I'm sure we have discussed this before.
[11:14] <czajkowski> *grin*
[11:15] <czajkowski> I thought that was due to the wiki theme ?
[11:15] <dholbach> what do we have as possible action items for the issues listed above?
[11:16] <czajkowski> dholbach: couldn't someoen find the right IS person to ask why this is happening
[11:16] <czajkowski> dholbach: how can it be fixed so it stops happening
[11:16] <czajkowski> it really doesn't look good if you make a change and see the error messages.
[11:16] <dholbach> czajkowski, that's why I asked for an RT ticket for it?
[11:17] <popey> which is why I asked AlanBell, because I believe he has one open
[11:17] <dholbach> ok
[11:17] <dholbach> popey, maybe you can try to find out with AlanBell which RT ticket it is and mail the number to the CC so we can follow up?
[11:18] <dholbach> regarding the CoC bug, I'll send a ping to the CC members about it, so we can have another good look at it
[11:18] <popey> sure dholbach
[11:18] <dholbach> and regarding the licensing issue, I'll take an action for it as well
[11:19] <dholbach> ok, noted it down
[11:19] <dholbach> is there anything else?
[11:20] <czajkowski> dholbach: can the CoC bug be discussed publically somewhere ?
[11:20] <dholbach> in the bug report
[11:20] <dholbach> I just wanted to ping everybody about it again
[11:20] <czajkowski> ok thanks
[11:20] <czajkowski> so the discussion will take place there. was all I was checking
[11:20] <dholbach> yep
[11:22] <dholbach> popey, persia: are you happy with the actions and the list of outstanding items?
[11:22] <czajkowski> dholbach: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/668530
[11:22] <dholbach> anything else you want to talk about?
[11:24] <popey> not that I can think of
[11:25] <dholbach> czajkowski, thanks
[11:25] <popey> other than our own inability to hold regular meetings and update the wiki
[11:25] <czajkowski> aye tis kinda bad when the CC don't meet tbh
[11:25] <czajkowski> doesn't really set a good example to  other teams or council to operate
[11:25] <dholbach> popey, yes, I agree
[11:25] <persia> We should get better at that: if nothing else we need to set an example for our expectations of other boards and councils.
[11:26] <czajkowski> persia: +1
[11:27] <dholbach> persia, popey: what do you think would help there?
[11:27] <dholbach> reminder mails of meeting times?
[11:28] <popey> yes
[11:28] <popey> and responsibility for chairing
[11:28] <popey> as per the TB
[11:28] <popey> so the wiki gets updated by the person chairing
[11:28] <dholbach> that's a nice idea, yes
[11:28] <czajkowski> rotating the chair and making sure the next meeting that will take place actually takes place is good
[11:29] <czajkowski> as I know it is oftend displayed it is happen, but it doesnt always happen
[11:29] <dholbach> if somebody would write a very quick minutes of the meeting later on, we could start discussing and setting us up for the change
[11:29] <persia> I think we'd also do well to encourage folk to bring things to the meetings.  I feel there's a lot of discussion happening out of the context of the meeting that could happen in meetings, and it may make the entire process seem more approachable.
[11:30] <persia> Especially for cases where we just have to vote, already (although the entire CC will only rarely be present for any meeting, due to timezones)
[11:30] <czajkowski> persia: is that because people are unsure of what should be brought to a CC meeting
[11:30] <czajkowski> persia: or even that anyone can attend this meeting and talk?
[11:30] <persia> I think it ought be anything for CC attention that doesn't need to be private.
[11:32] <persia> Speaking personally, I would prefer that people add stuff to the agenda, and only talk during their agenda item (or one in which they have a direct interest), but don't see any issues aside from that.
[11:32] <popey> we discuss a lot of the mailing list, and dont bring it here
[11:32] <popey> persia: that has the effect that stuff slows down
[11:32] <popey> or gets bumped from one meeting to the next
[11:32] <popey> doing stuff via the mailing list is allegedly faster (hah)
[11:32] <persia> I don't claim to say how it ought be done: I'm new :)
[11:32] <dholbach> let's try the meeting time reminders + deciding on a meeting chair
[11:33] <persia> I've been on teams that switched from mail to IRC to be "faster" and teams that switched from IRC to mail to be "faster".  I'm not sure either is better or worse.
[11:33] <persia> dholbach, Sounds like a good plan.
[11:33] <dholbach> ok, who's going to do quick minutes later on? I'm very happy to follow up on it and make sure that we set up a chair, etc.
[11:34] <popey> ok, i will
[11:34] <dholbach> thanks, I'll put it into the Team Reports place as well
[11:34] <dholbach> thanks popey
[11:35] <persia> I'll pre-volunteer for chair+2 (as I'm not expecting to be around for the next meeting, but probably have the best timezone for the one following)
[11:35] <dholbach> great
[11:35] <dholbach> progress!
[11:35] <popey> \o/
[11:35] <dholbach> ok, anything else? :)
[11:36] <popey> i had something but it's gone
[11:36] <popey> brainfail
[11:36] <dholbach> so we don't make popey's minutes longer than they already are :)
[11:38] <dholbach> alright, I guess that's it
[11:38] <dholbach> thanks everybody
[11:38] <dholbach> and thanks czajkowski for the ping :)
[11:41] <czajkowski> np :)
[11:45] <popey> dholbach: should I send the minutes to the cc list and to the ubuntu news team to publish?
[11:46] <dholbach> yeah, sounds good!
[11:49] <popey> ok
[12:09]  * popey saves the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda page and gets an HTTP 500 error. The irony of this is not lost on me.
[12:09] <head_victim> It happens every page save of late
[12:13] <nigelb> popey: heh
[12:22] <czajkowski> popey: *grin*
[12:22] <czajkowski> popey: at least you've a sense of humour about it all
[15:00] <hggdh> ~ô~
[15:14] <zul> hi
[15:57] <zul> O/
[15:59] <ttx> \o
[15:59]  * smb reminds the channel of his existence. :)
[16:01] <robbiew> o/
[16:02] <RoAkSoAx> o/
[16:02] <JamesPage> o/
[16:04] <zul> so who is running the meeting?
[16:05] <Daviey> .
[16:06] <Daviey> hmm
[16:06] <RoAkSoAx> I'll run it if there's a wikipage where I can learn how to do it in a matter of seconds (either way I have to learn sooner or later :) )
[16:06] <Daviey> James, were you last week?
[16:06] <JamesPage> yep
[16:07] <smoser> o/
[16:07] <RoAkSoAx> #startmeeting
[16:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:07. The chair is RoAkSoAx.
[16:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> ok so actions of preivous meetings are
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> ALL:  ISO testing (including as much real hardware as possible) to smooth the way to A3!
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> Anyone anything to report here?
[16:09] <zul> nope
[16:09] <JamesPage> I've run quite a few installs in the last few days on hardware with no issues to report
[16:10] <Daviey> i did 2 installs and a maverick upgrade
[16:10] <Daviey> looking good
[16:10] <RoAkSoAx> ok so I guess we didn't have any oustanding issues
[16:10] <RoAkSoAx> next: robbiew to ensure notifications of release candidates (and re-rolls) sent out.
[16:11] <Daviey> no
[16:12] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, defer it :)
[16:13] <RoAkSoAx> ok then
[16:13] <RoAkSoAx> [ACTION] robbiew to ensure notifications of release candidates (and re-rolls) sent out. (deferred)
[16:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  robbiew to ensure notifications of release candidates (and re-rolls) sent out. (deferred)
[16:13] <RoAkSoAx> next is zul - Email ubuntu-devel to gather consensus on whether MySQL 5.5 should be included for Natty.
[16:13] <robbiew> oops..sorry
[16:13] <robbiew> skaet will do the notifications
[16:13] <zul> done but 5.5 is not going into main for natty
[16:14] <zul> oracle screwed up the versions for the libmysqlclient and i really dont want to break the archive
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> robbiew: awesome!
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> zul: I'm assumming this will be in PPA then?
[16:14] <zul> RoAkSoAx: probably yes
[16:15] <zul> but definently natty+1
[16:15] <Daviey> hurrah
[16:15] <JamesPage> \o/
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> awesome then
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> next: hggdh & JamesPage to check sizing for minimal installation for QA purposes.
[16:16] <JamesPage> done - once we had fixed the preseed it was OK - cjwatson also made some minor amends to help
[16:16]  * hggdh is slow
[16:16] <JamesPage> now well under 500MB :-)
[16:16] <Daviey> Jamie
[16:16] <cjwatson> oh good
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> JamesPage: awesome!!
[16:17] <Daviey> JamesPage, where is that documented?
[16:17] <JamesPage> So the automated test case preseed is part of the ubuntu-server-iso-testing project
[16:18] <JamesPage> it was not aligned to the minimal server install preseed on the ISO
[16:18] <JamesPage> but other than in the preseeds in these areas its undocumented.
[16:18] <Daviey> does that damage the testing suitability?
[16:18] <hggdh> no
[16:19] <hggdh> the ISO test asks to check for < 500M
[16:19] <hggdh> it is now conforming
[16:19] <Daviey> ahh
[16:19]  * Daviey happy
[16:20] <RoAkSoAx> Alright then. I guess that's all from previous meetings. Next topic is:
[16:20] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Natty Development
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty Development
[16:20] <RoAkSoAx> Anyone anything to bring up here?
[16:21] <zul> yeah there is a bunch of bugs that have been targeted to release ill post a list to ubuntu-server ml today and ask people to help out
[16:21] <Daviey> euca 2.0.1 has even uploaded
[16:21] <zul> finally ;)
[16:21] <hggdh> \o/
[16:21] <RoAkSoAx> YaY!
[16:21] <smoser> Daviey, woot!
[16:21]  * hggdh should not be that happy, it is more work to be done...
[16:21] <Daviey> heh
[16:21] <kirkland> cool
[16:21]  * RoAkSoAx has finished an OCF RA for eucalyptus CLC. This will allow HA clusters to correctly and successfully monitor the CLC
[16:21] <Daviey> hggdh... grab me out of band
[16:22] <hggdh> Daviey: roj
[16:22] <RoAkSoAx> anything else?
[16:23] <zul> erm close your work items when they are done ;)
[16:23] <RoAkSoAx> alrighty then.
[16:23] <RoAkSoAx> moving on
[16:23] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] 10.04.2 ISO testing (zul)
[16:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  10.04.2 ISO testing (zul)
[16:24] <RoAkSoAx> zul: you're up :)
[16:24] <zul> hi so 10.04.2 is going to be released and we need to be testing the ISO before release we have them configured on hudson but I would like to have some manual testing done (besides myself)
[16:24] <zul> any volunteers
[16:24] <kirkland> zul: i'll help you with that, if you like
[16:25] <RoAkSoAx> I can also help later today
[16:25] <JamesPage> zul: I'll pick up some as well
[16:25] <Daviey> the iso needs posting on the tracker
[16:25] <Daviey> candidate
[16:25] <zul> right Ill probably send out an email to ubuntu-server for wider testing as well
[16:26] <Daviey> it hasn't ye
[16:26] <RoAkSoAx> [ACTION] kirkland JamesPage RoAkSoax to help zul testing 10.04.2 ISOs
[16:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland JamesPage RoAkSoax to help zul testing 10.04.2 ISOs
[16:26] <zul> right once i get more information ill pass that off
[16:26] <hggdh> who adjkust the ISO tracker for new releases available?
[16:26] <RoAkSoAx> [ACTION] zul to send e-mail to ubuntu-server ML requesting help for testing 10.04.2 ISOs
[16:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to send e-mail to ubuntu-server ML requesting help for testing 10.04.2 ISOs
[16:27] <zul> ok thanks
[16:27] <kirkland> zul: what's the deadline on this?
[16:27] <kirkland> zul: today?
[16:27] <zul> thursday would be nice
[16:28] <kirkland> zul: cool, thanks, will do
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> we have little bit of time then.
[16:29] <RoAkSoAx> zul: anything else that you'd like to mention?
[16:29] <zul> yes the ISO are already posted on the ISO tracker
[16:29] <Daviey> hmm
[16:29] <zul> 20110211.1
[16:30] <zul> thats it from me
[16:30] <RoAkSoAx> let's move on then
[16:30] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:30] <RoAkSoAx> Same as last week
[16:31] <RoAkSoAx> SCALE9x (spamps and kirkland) and UKUUG (ttx will be there)
[16:31] <RoAkSoAx> let's move on
[16:31] <RoAkSoAx> if noone has any other conference they are attending this month
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: you are up
[16:32] <hggdh> No news. I have been busy with the kernel SRUs, and will get busy with the new Euca as well
[16:33] <Daviey> hurrah
[16:33] <RoAkSoAx> ok let's move on then
[16:33] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:33] <RoAkSoAx> smb: your turn :)
[16:33] <smb> Mostly doing support escalation it feels
[16:34] <smb> I think we could resolve mostly bug 709414
[16:34] <smb> bah
[16:34] <smb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/709392
[16:35] <smb> So its the implementation that differs but not sure whether the doc is right or the implementation. Waiting for upstream there
[16:35] <smb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-ec2/+bug/717177
[16:36] <smb> Completed that now and have asked people in bug 708920 to test. Unfortunately they keep on complaining that maverick seems to work while current lucid does, instead of testing the test kernel. :-P
[16:37] <smb> Then there is customer complaint about bug http://people.canonical.com/~smb/lp710319/linux-image-2.6.32-28-generic_2.6.32-28.55+lp710319v1_amd64.deb
[16:37] <smb> eh bug 671001
[16:38] <smb> Which currently has not much useful information and needs more debugging (apart from the customer not wanting to use test kernels)
[16:38] <smb> That would be all..
[16:38] <RoAkSoAx> ok then. anyone have questions/concerns for smb ?
[16:39] <RoAkSoAx> I guess not. let's move on!
[16:39] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:39] <RoAkSoAx> sommer is still not around. So moving on...
[16:39] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[16:39] <RoAkSoAx> kim0: are you around?
[16:40] <kim0> well I am
[16:40] <RoAkSoAx> kim0: anything you'd like to report ?
[16:40] <kim0> I thought my section was removed however robbiew
[16:40] <robbiew> doh!
[16:40] <kim0> um not really
[16:41] <kim0> if there's any questions though .. let me know
[16:41] <robbiew> kim0: sorry...I thought that email went to the team...not just me
[16:41] <robbiew> yeah...no need to have a specific section for kim0
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> awesome them. We'll update the wiki :0
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:41] <robbiew> though we still should have a Ubuntu Community section ;)
[16:41] <kirkland> robbiew: +1
[16:42] <RoAkSoAx> wouldn't it be good to merge open discussion with Ubuntu Community?
[16:42] <robbiew> hmm
[16:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: Open Discussion and Community are different, IMO
[16:42] <Daviey> +1
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> (I used to wait for Open Discussion to discuss community stuff) But it's fine with me.
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> [ACTION] Create a new meeting section for Ubuntu Community.
[16:43] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Create a new meeting section for Ubuntu Community.
[16:44] <robbiew> So we are hiring :)
[16:44] <robbiew> https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=159
[16:45] <robbiew> anyone interested...please apply!
[16:45] <RoAkSoAx> I think it would be good to announce it on twitter/facebook/etc
[16:45] <kim0> I can probably push it around
[16:46] <SpaMiPhone> o/
[16:46] <robbiew> spam away!
[16:46] <SpaMiPhone> At jury duty, did anybody need me for anything?
[16:47] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[16:48] <ttx> SpaMiPhone: guilty !
[16:48]  * RoAkSoAx thanks god he doesn't have to do jury duty
[16:48] <SpaMiPhone> I like the idea of calling somebody on a spamiphone to spam them
[16:48] <RoAkSoAx> ok then so I guess we can put an end to the meeting
[16:48] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> Next meeting is: Tuesday, February 22 2011 16:00 UTC
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> thank you all for coming
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> #endmeeting
[16:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:49.
[16:50] <SpaMiPhone> Great meeting!! Epic even. :)
[16:50] <RoAkSoAx> SpaMiPhone: indeed
[16:50] <smoser> SpaMiPhone, what app do you use ?
[16:50] <SpaMiPhone> Irc999
[16:51] <Daviey> pah .. iTelnet
[16:52] <SpaMiPhone> The lag here is bad otherwise I would ssh to my server
[16:58] <apw> o/
[16:58] <smb> \O
[16:58] <herton> \o/
[16:58] <sforshee> \o
[16:59] <flag> o/
[16:59] <jjohansen> \o
[16:59] <cking> o/
[16:59] <sconklin> o/
[16:59] <bjf> #startmeeting
[16:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:59. The chair is bjf.
[16:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:00] <bjf> # Meeting Etiquette
[17:00] <bjf> #
[17:00] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:00] <bjf> #
[17:00] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo)
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics (JFo)
[17:00] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (8 bugs, 12 Blueprints)
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * 3 linux kernel bugs (up 1)
[17:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[17:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * 22 linux kernel bugs (up 1)
[17:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[17:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * 7 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints)
[17:00] <JFo> [17:01] <JFo>  * 55 Linux Bugs (no change)
[17:01] <JFo> [17:01] <JFo>  * 93 Linux Bugs (up 2)
[17:01] <JFo> [17:01] <JFo>  * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]]
[17:01] <JFo>  * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]]
[17:01] <JFo> ..
[17:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[17:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[17:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[17:01] <JFo> nothing to report
[17:01] <JFo> ..
[17:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking)
[17:02] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking)
[17:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements
[17:02] <cking> Changes to fwts (natty development branch):
[17:02] <cking>  * Fix DMAR test: double free error.
[17:02] <cking>  * Tests: smbios, virt, crs, apicinstance - mark tests status correctly.
[17:02] <cking>  * Restructure arg handing - more generic modular and extensible.
[17:02] <cking>  * add --s3-device-check, --s4-device-check options.
[17:02] <cking>  * add --s3-quirks, --s4-quirks options.
[17:02] <cking>  * add --s3-device-check-delay, --s4-device-check-delay options.
[17:02] <cking>  * improve s3,s4 args value range checking.
[17:02] <cking>  * improved progress feedback, s3, s4 tests.
[17:02] <cking>  * s3, s4 tests: add device checking pre/post each cycle.
[17:02] <cking> ..
[17:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf)
[17:02] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf)
[17:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review
[17:02] <sconklin> ||
[17:02] <sconklin> || New kernels packages were build and uploaded last week for all supported series. These have been copied
[17:02] <sconklin> || to the -proposed and the verification phase has begun. Verification tags should all be in place today.
[17:02] <sconklin> ||
[17:03] <sconklin> ..
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Cert. Team  (ara)
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Cert. Team  (ara)
[17:03] <ara> o/
[17:03] <ara> We will start next week with a new cycle of SRU testing for Maverick and Lucid, as soon as the validation phase is finished.
[17:03] <ara> Going forward, if that's possible, we would appreciate if you could subscribe the Hardware Certification team to the tracking bugs that we need to test (Lucid and Maverick kernels, non EC2 kernels). Thanks!
[17:03] <ara> ..
[17:03] <ara>  
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Ecryptfs (jj)
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Ecryptfs (jj)
[17:04] <jjohansen> - Some minor improvements to the base code have been made
[17:04] <jjohansen> - The longname in header version isn't stable yet as it ate my data last night :(
[17:04] <jjohansen> - Still waiting on upstream review
[17:04] <jjohansen> - the on disk format can not be considered stable as it may change based on upstream review
[17:04] <jjohansen> - starting to get wider testing, with latest built kernel attached to bug
[17:04] <jjohansen> - setting up ppa to facilitate even wider testing, though I am still worried about this being used by people who aren't aware of potential breakage
[17:04] <jjohansen> - userspace tools updates to make configuration by users feasible yet to be done (kirkland has volunteered)
[17:04] <sconklin> ara: got that, thanks
[17:04]  * kirkland waves
[17:05] <jjohansen> ..
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Natty (apw)
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Natty (apw)
[17:05] <apw> The natty kernel is now at v2.6.38-3.30 (v2.6.38-rc4 based).  We are expecting v2.6.38-rc5 to release imminently and we plan on uploading as soon as that is available.  Overall we have most of our development out of the way, with just the ecryptfs long filename work ongoing.  It looks like the v2.6.38 final will drop arround A3 so we should have a good period before final release.
[17:05] <apw> ..
[17:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[17:06] <sconklin> || Package                                    || Upd/Sec              || Proposed             ||  TiP || Verified ||
[17:06] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || dapper   linux-source-2.6.15               || 2.6.15-55.91         || 2.6.15-55.93         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || hardy    linux                             || 2.6.24-28.81         || 2.6.24-28.86         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || karmic   linux-fsl-imx51                   || 2.6.31-112.28        || 2.6.31-112.30        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux-ec2                         || 2.6.31-307.23        || 2.6.31-307.27        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.31-22.70         || 2.6.31-22.73         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || lucid    linux-ec2                         || 2.6.32-312.24        || 2.6.32-313.26        ||    7 ||        3 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux-ports-meta                  || 2.6.32.28.21         || 2.6.32.29.22         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux-mvl-dove                    || 2.6.32-211.27        || 2.6.32-214.30        ||    5 ||        3 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta-mvl-dove               || 2.6.32.209.12        || 2.6.32.214.15        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux-lts-backport-maverick       || 2.6.35-23.41~lucid1  || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1  ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta                        || 2.6.32.28.32         || 2.6.32.29.34         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.34.3               || 1.34.4               ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.32-28.55         || 2.6.32-29.58         ||    5 ||        3 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux-fsl-imx51                   || 2.6.31-608.20        || 2.6.31-608.22        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.32    || 2.6.32-28.27         || 2.6.32-29.28         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta-ec2                    || 2.6.32.312.13        || 2.6.32.313.14        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:07] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:07] <sconklin> || maverick linux-ports-meta                  || 2.6.35.25.19         || 2.6.35.27.21         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:07] <sconklin> || ---      linux-mvl-dove                    ||                      || 2.6.32-414.30        ||    2 ||        2 ||
[17:07] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta-mvl-dove               ||                      || 2.6.32.414.4         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:07] <sconklin> || ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.38.3               || 1.38.4               ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:07] <sconklin> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.35-25.44         || 2.6.35-27.47         ||    8 ||        8 ||
[17:07] <sconklin> || ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.35    || 2.6.35-25.16         || 2.6.35-27.18         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:07] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta                        || 2.6.35.25.32         || 2.6.35.27.34         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:07] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:07] <sconklin> ||
[17:07] <sconklin> || Note - There is a new live(ish) web page that displays the kernel versions in a format similar to that above,
[17:07] <sconklin> || without the bug verification counts. That page is here: https://kernel-tools.canonical.com/versions.html
[17:07] <sconklin> || The page is updated every 15 minutes.
[17:07] <sconklin> ||
[17:07] <sconklin> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:07] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[17:07] <JFo>  169 Natty Bugs (up 20)
[17:07] <JFo>  1152 Maverick Bugs (up 11)
[17:07] <JFo>  1013 Lucid Bugs (up 8)
[17:07] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[17:07] <JFo> [17:07] <JFo>   * 39 maverick bugs (up 4)
[17:07] <JFo>   * 77 lucid bugs (up 2)
[17:07] <JFo>   * 7 karmic bugs (up 1)
[17:08] <JFo>   * 0 hardy bugs (no change)
[17:08] <JFo> [17:08] <JFo>   * 228 maverick bugs (up 8)
[17:08] <JFo>   * 208 lucid bugs (up 2)
[17:08] <JFo>   * 38 karmic bugs (no change)
[17:08] <JFo>   * 2 hardy bugs (no change)
[17:08] <JFo> [17:08] <JFo>   * 3 natty bugs ()
[17:08] <JFo>   * 6 maverick bugs (down 8)
[17:08] <JFo>   * 0 lucid bugs (down 2)
[17:08] <JFo>   * 0 karmic bug (down 1)
[17:08] <JFo> ..
[17:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:09] <JFo> The  next bug day will be next Tuesday. I will put out information on this bug
[17:09] <JFo> day today. I'd like to go into the bugs in the new state again as many of these
[17:09] <JFo> are still in an incorrect status.
[17:09] <JFo> ..
[17:09] <bjf> [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Triage Status (JFo)
[17:09] <JFo> nothing to report
[17:09] <JFo> ..
[17:09] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:10] <bjf> thanks everyone
[17:10] <bjf> #endmeeting
[17:10] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:10.
[17:10] <JFo> thanks bjf
[17:11] <smb> ta
[17:59] <ajmitch> morning
[18:03] <stgraber> hey ajmitch
[18:03] <ajmitch> I think the others might be on the other side of the netsplit, great timing :)
[18:05] <ajmitch> hopefully it'll be resolved soon, I'm wanting this meeting to be quick
[18:08] <ajmitch> I guess we may as well get started, hopefully fagan will be here soon
[18:09] <ajmitch> wendar: ping :)
[18:10] <stgraber> I have an appointment at 2pm here so won't be able to do meeting overtime ;)
[18:11] <ajmitch> right, I'm seeing if we even have enough around for it to be worth it :)
[18:11] <stgraber> how many do we need to be to have quorum again ?
[18:11] <ajmitch> 3
[18:11] <ajmitch> probably the same with statik stepping down, would have to check that
[18:13] <wendar> ajmitch: I lost you in the netsplit
[18:13] <wendar> seems everyone is back now
[18:13] <wendar> or not?
[18:13] <ajmitch> 3 of us are here
[18:14] <ajmitch> shall we begin?
[18:14] <ajmitch> #startmeeting
[18:14] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:14. The chair is ajmitch.
[18:14] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:14] <ajmitch> OK, ARB meeting time, I'm just digging up the irc logs for the last session for the action items
[18:15] <ajmitch> the old agenda was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda
[18:16] <ajmitch> from the logs, I can also see a couple of action items on fagan looking into /opt & tools in natty, and fagan & wendar doing some wiki pages on creating submissions
[18:17] <wendar> the wiki pages are in progress
[18:17] <ajmitch> great, are they up on the wiki now?
[18:17] <wendar> I've been developing them offline, but I'm adding them to the wiki now
[18:17] <wendar> you should find them linked from the main AppReviewBoard page
[18:18] <ajmitch> thanks
[18:18] <wendar> I went for a simple starting page, linking to more details on each of the steps
[18:18] <wendar> I'll probably add a "checklist" too
[18:19] <ajmitch> We can probably add various tips & other things there
[18:19] <wendar> there are some inconsistencies between the original spec'd process and what we've actually been doing
[18:19] <ajmitch> such as in the reviewing & voting?
[18:19] <wendar> but, as far as it doesn't impact the security of the process, I'm documenting what we're actually doing
[18:19] <wendar> more in the format of the request
[18:19] <ajmitch> OK
[18:19] <wendar> the original spec asked them to create a wiki page of their request and submit a link to the wiki page
[18:20] <ajmitch> I've had some thoughts about the reviewing that we can come to later
[18:20] <wendar> but everyone is just putting the information straight in the bug, and really, that's a lot easier to work with than a separate wiki page anyway
[18:20] <wendar> (it's only a few lines of information)
[18:20] <ajmitch> agreed, the bug record is just as useful as a wiki page
[18:20] <wendar> (thoughts on reviewing) okay, great, we can talk about that too
[18:21] <wendar> so, I'm documenting it as "put the info in the bug report"
[18:22] <ajmitch> for the reviewing before the final vote, I'd like it if we announced that a package was ready for vote on the mailing list prior to the meeting, and then voted on in the meeting
[18:22] <ajmitch> that'd give people a heads up that there's something final to review
[18:23] <ajmitch> sound reasonable?
[18:23] <wendar> yes, that's a good idea
[18:24] <stgraber> yep
[18:24] <ajmitch> great
[18:25] <ajmitch> other items to look at..  Discuss conventions for ARB proposals on public code repository/tarball/etc
[18:26] <ajmitch> I'd need to read the logs again for a history of this one, we'll keep it on the list of things to do for now
[18:26] <ajmitch> any other action items to add for now?
[18:27] <wendar> the public code repository is relevant to the guide
[18:27] <wendar> I'm going to add it as a suggestion in the submission that they provide links to upstream resources, and the group can review
[18:28] <ajmitch> sounds good
[18:29] <stgraber> yeah, they should always point to where they found the upstream code, be that a tarball or some branch
[18:30] <stgraber> would also be great to encourage them to include a debian/watch file
[18:30] <wendar> we can explicitly mention debian/watch in the packaging section
[18:31] <ajmitch> generally they should be upstream, a pointer to where the code can be downloaded from is needed in debian/copyright, but it'd be good to have it in the bug
[18:32] <ajmitch> I see that we're making slow (but some) progress on the apps to review
[18:33] <ajmitch> wendar: for the news app, any of us should be able to push to the extras PPA
[18:33] <ajmitch> I'd have to check permissions on the screenshots branch
[18:34] <wendar> ajmitch: I wasn't sure if the extras PPA had been enabled for the group in general, or just for stgraber
[18:35] <ajmitch> pretty sure it's any of us
[18:38] <ajmitch> looks like mvo or one of the software-center developers needs to merge in screenshot branches
[18:38] <stgraber> any of you should be able to upload
[18:39] <ajmitch> great
[18:39] <stgraber> the only current issue is that we need to ping mvo or someone else everytime to merge the branch, then wait for the screenshot to be available on the web service
[18:39] <stgraber> then push the package and wait for the sync to extras.u.c
[18:39] <stgraber> last time mvo opened an IS ticket to get the screenshots updated from the branch
[18:39] <ajmitch> that sounds cumbersome
[18:39] <stgraber> ideally this part should be more automated and ARB should be able to do the merge directly (to the current branch or to another one, not really important)
[18:39] <wendar> ultimately, software center will be using a web form for these screenshots
[18:39] <wendar> and we can use the same web form submission process
[18:39] <wendar> merging into a bzr repository is cumbersome, but should only be temporary
[18:39] <ajmitch> similar to screenshots.debian.net, which is what's mostly used at the moment
[18:41] <ajmitch> so news should be ready to go, SIR was ready as well?
[18:41] <wendar> on SIR I'm waiting for the screenshots from the developer
[18:41] <wendar> otherwise it's ready
[18:41] <ajmitch> ok
[18:41] <ajmitch> pytask - with statik unavailable, one of us will need to pick it up
[18:43] <stgraber> I can take it
[18:43] <ajmitch> ok
[18:43] <wendar> there's also a new one: schedio
[18:43] <ajmitch> yep, was getting to that one :)
[18:44] <ajmitch> I haven't taken a look at it yet, does anyone want to take it, or shall I?
[18:45] <ajmitch> I don't see people clamouring to review it, so I'll take it
[18:46] <ajmitch> simple-stopwatch - I pushed a branch with some packaging changes, the author has some other fixes he wants to make once his exams are over
[18:47]  * wendar is traveling for the next few weeks, so can't take on anything more than seeing news and SIR the rest of the way through the process
[18:47] <ajmitch> cdbs & python apps are a bit of a pain for /opt, still
[18:47] <ajmitch> wendar: ok
[18:48] <ajmitch> suspended sentence was done, thanks stgraber :)
[18:49] <ajmitch> & fagan was lookign at 4dtris, reading the lp bug he hadn't had a chance to look at it in depth
[18:49] <ajmitch> am I missing any?
[18:49] <ajmitch> looks like we don't have anything to vote on this week
[18:52] <ajmitch> I guess by the silence, we're pretty much done
[18:52] <ajmitch> who'd like to be chair for the next meeting?
[18:53] <ajmitch> stgraber?
[18:54] <stgraber> next meeting is the 1st of March right ?
[18:55] <ajmitch> yes
[18:55]  * wendar checking calendar
[18:55] <stgraber> ok, I seem to be available so I can chair
[18:55] <ajmitch> thanks :)
[18:55] <wendar> I probably won't be able to attend that one
[18:55] <wendar> ajmitch: could you note that in the Agenda page?
[18:55] <ajmitch> ok, we'll see who's available onthe list - we'll have to discuss replacing statik there too
[18:55] <ajmitch> sure
[18:56] <ajmitch> sorry for the rush, but I'll need to run off for work
[18:56] <ajmitch> thanks everyone for attending, I'll write up minutes when I get a chance
[18:56] <ajmitch> #endmeeting
[18:57] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:56.
[20:08] <czajkowski> 20:06 [freenode] -Martinp23(martinp23@freenode/staff/wikimedia.martinp23)-  [Global Notice] Hi everyone. You will have possibly noticed some  instability on the network earlier this evening. The network is under  a sustained DDoS and so lag and possible further splits are to be  expected. We apologise for the inconvenience - our fantastic
[20:08] <czajkowski>  sponsorship andinfra teams are working to minimise the furthear  impact. Have a nice evening!
[20:08] <czajkowski> folks should +w in order to see wallops
[20:09] <JackyAlcine> czajkowski: You do that by /umode +w?
[20:09] <czajkowski> JackyAlcine: yes
[20:10] <JackyAlcine> Alright, thank you.
[20:57] <itnet7> Hey there paulta[g] !
[20:57] <paulta[g]> howdy itnet7!
[20:58] <czajkowski> Aloha
[20:58] <czajkowski> 3 mins to go
[20:58] <czajkowski> 2
[20:58] <itnet7> How are you czajkowski !
[20:58] <czajkowski> tired and grumpy, stupid tooth ache from hell
[20:58] <itnet7> Sorry :-(
[20:59] <itnet7> I would rather have a tooth ache then listen to the FUD of this instructor :-)
[20:59] <czajkowski> heh
[20:59] <czajkowski> paulta[g]: you're missing from over there
[21:00] <paulta[g]> oh yes
[21:00] <paulta[g]> I'm on webchat, sorry
[21:00] <paulta[g]> I'm at my buddies, he has a bricked 9.10 install
[21:00] <itnet7> uh-oh
[21:01] <czajkowski> not sure the others will be on due to net splits
[21:01] <paulta[g]> roger
[21:01] <itnet7> Yeah, I saw your message earlier, it's been crazy lately with the NS's
[21:02] <czajkowski> we were under a DDoS earlier on
[21:04] <huats> helo everyone
[21:04] <czajkowski> huats: Aloha
[21:04] <huats> sorry I am late
[21:04] <czajkowski> it's ok
[21:04] <itnet7> Hey there huats !
[21:04] <huats> hello itnet7 !
[21:04] <paulta[g]> hey huats
[21:05] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda
[21:05] <czajkowski> short agenda at least
[21:05] <huats> oh paulta[g] !
[21:05] <czajkowski> just poking jono now
[21:05] <paulta[g]> oh!
[21:06] <paulta[g]> czajkowski: righto
[21:07] <czajkowski> so who's here for LC meeting ?
[21:07] <czajkowski> o/
[21:07] <AlanBell> o/
[21:08] <paulta[g]> o/
[21:08] <itnet7> o/
[21:08] <czajkowski> huats: ?
[21:08] <huats> I am
[21:08] <czajkowski> right well we'll move on as net splits seem to have lost a popey on us
[21:09] <huats> ok
[21:09] <czajkowski> Ubuntu Global Jam
[21:09] <czajkowski> is fast approaching us
[21:09] <czajkowski> and http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/567/detail/
[21:09] <czajkowski> there are not that many teams registered for this
[21:09] <czajkowski> how can we get more teams involved folks?
[21:09] <czajkowski> we need to promote it and encourage and help teams
[21:09] <czajkowski> so thoughts?
[21:10] <paulta[g]> Well, I know not too many people are always aware
[21:10] <paulta[g]> so blogging might help
[21:10] <huats> czajkowski, I think it might be good to do again the sessions that jcastro have lead in the past
[21:10] <huats> to help and explain how to organise a GBJ
[21:11] <paulta[g]> +1 there huats
[21:11] <itnet7> They were good sessions
[21:11] <czajkowski> aye I'm just worried nobody turned up for them
[21:11] <mhall119> czajkowski: it can be promoted during UDW
[21:12] <itnet7> +1 mhall119
[21:12] <czajkowski> mhall119: oh good call
[21:12] <czajkowski> yes
[21:12] <huats> +1
[21:12] <czajkowski> so maybe next month we could also run a how to rung a UGJ n this meeting ???
[21:13] <paulta[g]> howdy joaopinto
[21:13] <paulta[g]> erm, jono
[21:13] <itnet7> lol paulta[g] !
[21:13] <paulta[g]> itnet7: damn alphabetic tab complete! :)
[21:13] <paulta[g]> czajkowski: that sounds great
[21:13] <itnet7> exactly my thoughts
[21:14] <czajkowski> ok
[21:14] <czajkowski> so I think what we need to do now is
[21:14] <czajkowski> spread some blooging amongst us
[21:14] <huats> czajkowski, you mean to replace that meeting by how to run a UGJ  ? or todo both ?
[21:14] <czajkowski> huats: replace the meeting
[21:14] <mhall119> how about small-scale, narrowly focused jams that are easier for someone to organize?
[21:15] <huats> czajkowski, ok sounds a good idea
[21:15] <huats> mhall119, that is the idea I thik
[21:15] <czajkowski> mhall119: can you explain more
[21:15] <mhall119> finding a place for 10 people to get together to triage bugs is no easy task
[21:15] <mhall119> having a friend over to your place for pizza and hacking is relatively easy
[21:15] <czajkowski> indeed
[21:16] <czajkowski> true good point
[21:16] <czajkowski> and I think sometimes that is missed
[21:16] <mhall119> so call them micro-jams or buddy-jams or something
[21:16] <huats> that is the idea of the UGJ at the launch
[21:16] <mhall119> or even coffee-jams, where you meet for a hour at starbucks
[21:17] <mhall119> getting people to organize something has been our biggest hurdle in -fl
[21:17] <itnet7> true mhall119
[21:17] <itnet7> especially lately
[21:18] <mhall119> yeah :(
[21:18] <czajkowski> I think the issue is people not knowing what to do tbh
[21:18] <czajkowski> Everyone wants to help
[21:18] <mhall119> and I'm as much at fault, I haven't organized anything in a while
[21:18] <czajkowski> but unless you know what to do, it is somewhat pointless
[21:19] <itnet7> Well maybe we can try to highlight some of the plans on planet and try to encourage more particpation word of mouth and through the lists
[21:19] <czajkowski> ok
[21:20] <czajkowski> itnet7: do you have time to write a blog post this week ?
[21:20] <czajkowski> ideally I'd like one a week please from us
[21:20] <itnet7> Sure
[21:20] <czajkowski> so we can help people
[21:20] <czajkowski> itnet7: ok thanks
[21:20] <czajkowski> huats: paulta[g] can ether of ye do one next week ???
[21:20] <paulta[g]> sure, I'll do it
[21:21] <czajkowski> ok
[21:21] <czajkowski> huats: can you do the week after
[21:21] <itnet7> I was thinking that some of the teams that have already signed up to participate could write a little about their plans on the list to help give new teams some ideas
[21:21] <czajkowski> then I'll do the folllowing week
[21:21] <czajkowski> that'll bring us up to the meeting wherewe can do a Q&A session here
[21:21] <itnet7> sure!
[21:22] <mhall119> and make sure everyone is using #ugj in tweets/dents/photos
[21:22] <pleia2> I'd also send an announcement email to loco-contacts and ubuntu-news-team
[21:22] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye I kinda forget about news :(
[21:22] <czajkowski> sorry!
[21:22] <pleia2> was it sent to loco-contacts?
[21:22] <czajkowski> has been in the past
[21:22] <czajkowski> will send out tomorrow
[21:22] <pleia2> cool
[21:23] <huats> czajkowski, sure
[21:23] <huats> (sorry I was away)
[21:23] <czajkowski> huats: np
[21:23] <czajkowski> so to recap
[21:23] <czajkowski> itnet7: this week
[21:23] <czajkowski> paulta[g]: next week
[21:23] <czajkowski> huats: following week
[21:23] <huats> ok
[21:23] <czajkowski> me final week
[21:23] <czajkowski> tomorrow I'll mail the contact list
[21:23] <mhall119> I know there's a big desire to see Unity get a lot of testing during UGJ, can we have a separate session on how to run a Unity testing jam?
[21:24] <czajkowski> next meeting we will run a Q&A session
[21:24] <czajkowski> mhall119: will need someone to run it
[21:24] <czajkowski> but I don't see why not
[21:24]  * czajkowski spies a jcastro 
[21:24] <mhall119> maybe jcastro will be willing
[21:24] <mhall119> heh, great minds think alike
[21:25]  * czajkowski bribes jcastro 
[21:25] <jcastro> busy send me mail psl
[21:25] <czajkowski> will do
[21:25] <popey> o/
[21:25] <czajkowski> anyone any other comments on the UGJ ? and how we can get more coverage of it ?
[21:25] <popey> sorry, had to reboot my irc server thing
[21:25] <czajkowski> popey: :)
[21:27] <czajkowski> maybe we can get huats and leogg to run sessions in their languages also ?
[21:27] <czajkowski> get more folks involved
[21:28] <czajkowski> leogg: what do you think of a spanish session?
[21:28] <itnet7> We can add the banner's to our blogs
[21:28] <leogg> czajkowski: for the ugj?
[21:28] <itnet7> if you haven't already
[21:28] <czajkowski> leogg: yes but also in here, next month run a session on how to run a UGJ in Spanish ?
[21:28] <itnet7> chat it up a bit on FB
[21:29] <czajkowski> I think it was posted to the fb page
[21:29] <huats> czajkowski, might be a good idea
[21:29] <huats> I can run one indeed
[21:29] <czajkowski> perhaps getting jono to do a Q&A session specifically on how to do stuff at a UGJ and how to take part
[21:29] <czajkowski> huats: great!
[21:30] <czajkowski> I dont want community members feeling left out as sessions are only run in one language
[21:30] <czajkowski> so I'd like where possible to get as much out there in multiple ways,
[21:30] <czajkowski> over kill but I'd prefer that to only some members knowing
[21:31] <czajkowski> any other comments?
[21:32] <itnet7> not that I can think of
[21:32] <huats> nope
[21:32] <czajkowski> ok
[21:33] <leogg> czajkowski: I can't promise anything... the date for the UGJ is really bad for us, it's a few days before a really big event, so...
[21:33] <czajkowski> well can someone summerise this and add to our team report :D
[21:33] <czajkowski> leogg: np, but perhaps it may help other spanish speaking teams...
[21:34] <itnet7> czajkowski: I'll do the summary
[21:34] <leogg> czajkowski: it's actually pretty bad date for all spanish speaking teams
[21:34] <itnet7> and update the team report
[21:34]  * czajkowski hugs itnet7 thank you
[21:34] <czajkowski> leogg: ahh why is that ?
[21:34] <itnet7> and hopefully blog tonight as well!
[21:34] <MrChrisDruif> Hai y'all :)
[21:34] <czajkowski> itnet7: you rock
[21:34] <czajkowski> thank you
[21:34] <leogg> czajkowski: http://flisol.info/
[21:34] <MrChrisDruif> Meeting over?
[21:34] <czajkowski> MrChrisDruif: nope
[21:34] <leogg> czajkowski: it's on April 9
[21:34] <MrChrisDruif> Great :)
[21:35] <czajkowski> leogg: nods
[21:35] <czajkowski> leogg: does that happen on the same date each year?
[21:36] <leogg> czajkowski: usually it's the fourth Saturday of April, but they changed it this year
[21:36] <czajkowski> :S
[21:36] <czajkowski> ok any other thoughts comments, ?
[21:37] <czajkowski> agenda only had this topic down
[21:37] <popey> be nice to promote local UGJ events
[21:37] <popey> "Hyper local"
[21:37] <MrChrisDruif> Agenda?
[21:37] <popey> I am thinking of having one at my house
[21:37] <MrChrisDruif> What is the current topic?
[21:37] <popey> MrChrisDruif: this is a loco council meeting
[21:37] <huats> popey, that is the focus we try to have : local event
[21:37] <czajkowski> popey: indeed
[21:37] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[21:38] <popey> maybe we should focus on that?
[21:38] <popey> rather than the big massively organised events
[21:38] <czajkowski> popey: houses or coffee shops are ideal
[21:38] <popey> just 3 people in a room with laptops is UGJ
[21:38] <czajkowski> popey: so true!
[21:38] <itnet7> +1 popey !
[21:38] <popey> saves people travelling
[21:38] <huats> popey, like I said I think this is the idea that was behing UGJ in Prague
[21:38] <popey> means people can have one local to them, and not massively inconvenience them
[21:39] <MrChrisDruif> czajkowski: What is this Ubuntu Global Jam about?
[21:39] <czajkowski> MrChrisDruif: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/567/detail/
[21:39] <itnet7> Yeah, and those that want to can still have big events, it will just let everyone know it's not required..
[21:39] <popey> MrChrisDruif: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/15/ubuntu-global-jam-call-for-events/
[21:40] <popey> itnet7: exactly
[21:40] <itnet7> Think Globally act locally ;-)
[21:40] <popey> set the barrier for entry as low as we possibly can
[21:40] <popey> yes!
[21:40] <huats> at least we all agree :)
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> Why that weekend? :P
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> You could do it the weekend after Natty release and make it an installfest :D
[21:43] <czajkowski> MrChrisDruif: the idea is to do it before natty is released to find bugs and help out and work on translations etc
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah....first read the details...sorry :)
[21:44] <czajkowski> MrChrisDruif: :)
[21:47] <czajkowski> anyting else folks or shall we finish up ?
[21:47] <itnet7> I think we're good for now...
[21:47] <czajkowski> excellent
[21:47]  * czajkowski hugs the loco council ye rock :D 
[21:47] <MrChrisDruif> Let me just say I was thinking about organizing a installfest, not a bug/test fest
[21:48] <MrChrisDruif> First make a bit of community here in Holland O:-)
[21:48] <MrChrisDruif> Which want to meet up for things like ugj :D
[21:48] <MrChrisDruif> Other than that...great initiative :)
[21:49] <czajkowski> MrChrisDruif: sounds like fun
[21:49] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, hope it will be :D
[21:49] <itnet7> ttyiab, leaving class now
[21:50] <czajkowski> thanks folks