| bazhang | !google | test | 00:48 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | test: While Google is useful for helpers, many newer users don't have the google-fu yet. Please don't tell people to "google it" when they ask a question. | 00:48 |
| culb | Results for | test on Google: | 00:48 |
| culb | -- | 00:48 |
| * Pici doesn't know what that means | 01:03 | |
| bazhang | ooh I missed there were two of them | 01:07 |
| bazhang | well the sockpuppet one | 01:07 |
| * Pici wonders what gender has to do with laptop preferences | 01:10 | |
| bazhang | !google | test | 01:17 |
| ubottu | test: While Google is useful for helpers, many newer users don't have the google-fu yet. Please don't tell people to "google it" when they ask a question. | 01:17 |
| culb | Results for | test on Google: | 01:17 |
| culb | -- | 01:17 |
| Pici | culb: hi | 01:17 |
| Pici | culb: hi again. | 01:26 |
| rww | might want to change the banforward to a ban :\ | 01:27 |
| Pici | Glad to see that some other people are getting a clue about '-d' | 01:27 |
| mneptok | !google Bing can usually be found first | 01:31 |
| ubottu | I have no google command, use http://www.google.com/ | 01:31 |
| culb | Results for Bing can usually be found first on Google: | 01:31 |
| culb | -- | 01:31 |
| jrib | Pici: '-d'? | 01:59 |
| Pici | jrib: do-release-upgrade -d / update-manager -d | 01:59 |
| jrib | ah, yes I just scrolled #ubuntu :P | 01:59 |
| jrib | I thought it was some weird channel mode | 02:00 |
| * tonyyarusso sighs at troll continuing on in PM | 02:44 | |
| h00k | @btlogin | 02:56 |
| jon_athon | I'd like back in ubuntu-offtopic | 02:56 |
| h00k | jon_athon: it appears that you got removed for trolling | 02:58 |
| jon_athon | h00k, so the claim goes | 02:58 |
| h00k | jon_athon: tonyyarusso is the one that banned you, as well as rww for ban-evading, which is against Freenode policy | 02:58 |
| rww | as with usual for bans I set for ban-evading, it's up the original op to remove both bans, as far as I'm concerned | 02:59 |
| * tonyyarusso is around for consultation | 02:59 | |
| rww | s/with/per/ | 02:59 |
| tonyyarusso | jon_athon was trying to get people to "debate" him about global warming, and continually brought it up when the channel disappointed him by not taking the bait. | 03:00 |
| jon_athon | actually, I was mad because I couldn't get an explanation why debating was a waste of time | 03:00 |
| rww | You appear to believe that people owe you a response to questions. This is both incorrect and not conducive to polite conversation. | 03:01 |
| jon_athon | If it was something you thought was important, you'd probably feel the same way | 03:02 |
| jon_athon | In fact, you've probably been just as mad at some point in your life, but had no where to give voice to your emotions | 03:03 |
| rww | Ubuntu's IRC channels are not an appropriate outlet for your negative emotions. | 03:03 |
| * tonyyarusso was typing the same thing, but rww got there first, so +1 | 03:03 | |
| rww | Neither, I note, are the PM windows of people that have explicitly said that they don't want to get into a discussion with you. | 03:03 |
| jon_athon | well, I pmed rww for an attempt at conflict resolution, apparently there was no room for that | 03:04 |
| jon_athon | And I don't think banning me because you disagree but don't have an argument is an appropriate response | 03:05 |
| rww | If you actually wanted to avoid conflict, you would have stopped repeatedly bringing things up that you knew I wasn't going to answer. | 03:05 |
| tonyyarusso | I already told you, you weren't banned because anyone "disagreed" with you. | 03:06 |
| rww | I didn't ban you for disagreeing with me. I banned you because you evaded the ban tonyyaruso set on you. | 03:06 |
| jon_athon | I didn't say avoid, I said resolve. Why wouldn't I express negative emotion to the people that caused it? | 03:09 |
| jon_athon | rww, you did antagonize the argument too | 03:10 |
| tonyyarusso | #ubuntu-offtopic did not cause your anger about climate change science. | 03:10 |
| jon_athon | tonyyarusso, no, you did | 03:11 |
| jon_athon | <tonyyarusso> jon_athon: because it's no fair to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. | 03:11 |
| jon_athon | <tonyyarusso> jon_athon: Because the thing you want to "debate" is idiotic. | 03:11 |
| jon_athon | <rww> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map#Gavin_Menzies kthx. | 03:12 |
| gpc | jon_athon: The point is that you wanted to discuss a topic and nobody else felt like it. #ubuntu-offtopic is not there to entertain, even if it a times is entertaining. We just tend to go with the flow in there and if something doesn't interest us we move on to something else. | 03:12 |
| tonyyarusso | Those were responses to your continued trolling, so obviously something else came first. | 03:12 |
| jon_athon | Yea... a discussion with rww <rww> according to my link... erm... I don't know. | 03:12 |
| jon_athon | <rww> Oh, that's right. Antarctica has 4 corner simultaneous 4-day GLOBAL WARMING in only 24 hour rotation. | 03:12 |
| jon_athon | gpc, yea, I know | 03:13 |
| gpc | ok, so when asked to stop, just stop. | 03:13 |
| jon_athon | gpc, but I didn't appreciate the insults | 03:13 |
| jon_athon | gpc, so I did something about | 03:13 |
| h00k | knowing that, and pressing the issue, is called trolling. which is why you were banned. | 03:13 |
| h00k | !trolling | 03:14 |
| h00k | !troll | 03:14 |
| h00k | bah. | 03:14 |
| jon_athon | h00k, I know what it is | 03:14 |
| gpc | I think it was removed | 03:14 |
| rww | it was. | 03:15 |
| jon_athon | well, my apologies for trolling, but, you weren't all innocent in the matter | 03:16 |
| gpc | I was. | 03:16 |
| jon_athon | heh, yea, you were | 03:16 |
| gpc | :) | 03:16 |
| jon_athon | :) | 03:16 |
| gpc | Ban evading is bad. Don't do that please. | 03:17 |
| jon_athon | gpc, no worries | 03:17 |
| jon_athon | ops should understand that if they are going to insult people, then ban them, they aren't going to respond pleasantly | 03:18 |
| gpc | jon_athon: I agree. users should understand that when an op asks you to drop a topic, they should. | 03:19 |
| rww | s/an op/someone/ | 03:19 |
| jon_athon | rww, ? | 03:19 |
| gpc | also PM an op and calling them names is not acceptable. | 03:20 |
| gpc | rww: yes, sorry when an op or any other user asks for a subject to be dropped | 03:20 |
| rww | jon_athon: I was correcting what gpc said | 03:20 |
| gpc | within reason, common sense is a must here | 03:20 |
| * rww nods | 03:20 | |
| jon_athon | gpc, I think that was provoked too... I don't go around picking fights with people that don't provoke me | 03:21 |
| gpc | jon_athon: you may have felt provoked, I didn't really see it like that. | 03:21 |
| gpc | none the less, you PM'ing and calling people names is not acceptable. | 03:22 |
| gpc | that aside, #ubuntu-offtopic does have some topics that are frowned upon | 03:23 |
| gpc | politics,religion,sex,drugs... | 03:23 |
| jon_athon | gpc, eh, maybe different from another perspective (provocation that is) | 03:23 |
| rww | I'm obviously biased, but I don't see anywhere in my #ubuntu-offtopic scrollback where I was being provocative. | 03:24 |
| jon_athon | gpc, didn't know that, we had a discussion about egypt the other day, I figured it was more scientific anyhow... | 03:24 |
| jon_athon | rww, you weren't, I didn't call you names though | 03:24 |
| gpc | So here it is, you think you can be a good netizen and follow our guidelines and try to blend in with the rest of the nut cases in that channel ? :) | 03:24 |
| rww | jon_athon: ah, okay. You said "ops", so I figured you meant both me and tonyyarusso. | 03:25 |
| jon_athon | gpc, I think I've made a pretty good nut case in the past :) | 03:25 |
| gpc | Also make sure to read the channel topic when you join. | 03:25 |
| jon_athon | rww, apollogies, just speaking generally | 03:25 |
| rww | np, just checking | 03:25 |
| gpc | !o4o > jon_athon | 03:26 |
| ubottu | jon_athon, please see my private message | 03:26 |
| gpc | that message should clear up what is ok in #u-ot | 03:27 |
| jon_athon | rww, btw, it really sucks when people ignore an honest question... about why you didn't want to debate. I would have left it at that. | 03:27 |
| gpc | jon_athon: feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic and part this channel when ready :) | 03:27 |
| tonyyarusso | jon_athon: Should be ready now actually. | 03:27 |
| gpc | jon_athon: friendly advice: drop it dude :) | 03:27 |
| tonyyarusso | also @ gpc | 03:27 |
| gpc | thanks tonyyarusso and rww | 03:28 |
| jon_athon | gpc, yea, it's a peeve of mine | 03:28 |
| gpc | jon_athon: glad we could resolve this issue. Have a good night. | 03:29 |
| jon_athon | gpc, noted, to the bat cave | 03:30 |
| rww | and now I just had to head off a PM about an explanation of why me ignoring him irritated him or something | 03:32 |
| h00k | asdf | 03:32 |
| tonyyarusso | ;lkj | 03:33 |
| rww | I've been pondering the dynamics of consent in IRC. This incident seems relevant. | 03:33 |
| gpc | ntdp | 03:33 |
| * tonyyarusso glances at gpc | 03:33 | |
| gpc | what | 03:33 |
| gpc | wat! | 03:33 |
| tonyyarusso | What layout is that? | 03:34 |
| gpc | randomgpc | 03:34 |
| h00k | rww: It's true, it would absolutely be a case to study. | 03:37 |
| h00k | s/case/incident/ | 03:37 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from kylemm) | 04:30 |
| maco | rww: some_person....what? | 04:30 |
| maco | is that.. | 04:30 |
| maco | can he say... | 04:30 |
| rww | oh, speaking of !troll, since it came up in here earlier. It got removed because people were almost always using it as "You're a troll. I'm going to throw this factoid at you.". Which is not what it's there for, and which tended to worsen the situation. | 04:34 |
| ubottu | Gnea called the ops in #ubuntu (uRock harrassing via uninvited PM) | 04:36 |
| rww | now taking guesses on who Sly-FoX in #ubuntu was. | 04:56 |
| gpc | personal real life friend of mine | 04:57 |
| rww | ah | 04:57 |
| gpc | known him for 13 years | 04:57 |
| gpc | he doesn't know this nick :) | 04:57 |
| rww | gpc: you might want to adjust culb's banforward to a ban. They haven't been responsive for 10 days now... | 04:58 |
| elky | I recommend a memoserv memo if it hasn't already been tried. | 05:15 |
| elky | But yes, upgrade too. | 05:15 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from pinnacle) | 08:51 |
| Pici | Its going to be another busy day. | 13:31 |
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| Pici | marienz: looks like "Gangsta (~Gangsta@166.186.168.24)" is back. | 18:43 |
| marienz | oh dear | 18:43 |
| tsimpson | marienz: please ^ | 18:43 |
| marienz | yeah, sec | 18:43 |
| marienz | I'm still sorting out my client | 18:43 |
| tsimpson | sure :) | 18:44 |
| ikonia | who has ops in motu ? | 18:44 |
| mneptok | ikonia: i do. | 18:45 |
| ikonia | maybe worth removing gangsta | 18:45 |
| Pici | I actually was going to put a proposal together for an IRCC meeting to get more ops in -devel and -motu. | 18:46 |
| tsimpson | the bot should ignore them anyway | 18:46 |
| ikonia | Pici: seems worthy | 18:46 |
| gpc | not sure having the bot ignore him is the best idea. makes it harder for us to see him unless we are in channels he is trolling | 18:48 |
| tsimpson | only ubottu does, and ubottu is only in core channels (or should only be) | 18:49 |
| tsimpson | -irc will get the alerts from other bots | 18:49 |
| marienz | (I'm usually a little useless right after reconnects, as it takes about half an hour before my channels have synced and I'm laggy until they have) | 18:50 |
| maco | half hour?! wow, i thought my 5 minutes was bad | 18:51 |
| marienz | I think I'm in some 150 channels now (which means they don't actually join correctly the first time around as I don't auto-oper) | 18:52 |
| marienz | "Irssi: Join to #ubuntu-ops was synced in 1829 secs" | 18:52 |
| Pici | sigh | 19:03 |
| ikonia | I am getting fed up with arguing with people to help them | 19:16 |
| ikonia | and do-gooders offering stupid hints that do more harm than good | 19:16 |
| jrib | ikonia: irc break time my friend | 19:17 |
| ikonia | I'm going out | 19:18 |
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| Pici | boy wonder indeed... | 19:37 |
| Tm_T | on the other news, gotta love the constructive and friendly atmosphere in planet.ubuntu (especially last paragraph) http://handypenguin.blogspot.com/2011/02/mono-and-open-source-cannibalism.html | 19:38 |
| Pici | Tm_T: I think it was supposed to be sarcasm. | 19:44 |
| Tm_T | Pici: my sarcasm was prolly as bad as his then (; | 19:46 |
| Tm_T | Pici: and AFAIK he is mono user/developer of some sort, so I doubt it was any kind of sarcasm | 19:49 |
| Tm_T | although I don't have any source for this but that's how I recall | 19:51 |
| Pici | The name sounds like a nick, I just can't remember it exactly. | 19:52 |
| Tm_T | oh well, either way I didn't like to see that kind of post there | 19:54 |
| Pici | jrib: I *just* got boywonder working. | 19:59 |
| jrib | Pici: your the man | 20:00 |
| jrib | good job though, very patient :) | 20:00 |
| Pici | jrib: :P | 20:00 |
| Pici | great. | 20:04 |
| Pici | Now I'm an egg in this guy's heart. | 20:04 |
| gpc | that can't be good for his cholesterol levels | 20:05 |
| jrib | no, an egg in his heart's dog I think | 20:08 |
| jrib | Pici: what's stat -s supposed to do? -s doesn't seem to be a valid option here | 20:20 |
| Pici | jrib: http://pastebin.com/rafced4R | 20:21 |
| Pici | human readable output. | 20:21 |
| jrib | hrmm | 20:21 |
| jrib | it's not possible | 20:23 |
| jrib | Pici: http://paste.ubuntu.com/567456/ | 20:25 |
| Pici | jrib: ah. Looks like this is a shell built-in for zsh. | 20:26 |
| jrib | interesting... I'm running zsh... Guess it's zstat? | 20:26 |
| * jrib nods | 20:27 | |
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| Pici | Looks like it. | 20:28 |
| mneptok | jrib: use a fully qualified path to stat if you don;t want to use the built-in | 22:21 |
| jrib | mneptok: how come? | 22:35 |
| mneptok | jrib: the standalone stat and a shell's built-in can differ a bit. | 22:39 |
| mneptok | jrib: maybe one supports what you want while the other does not? | 22:39 |
| * mneptok tends to just use zstat | 22:39 | |
| jrib | mneptok: oh, they both seem to work ok with relative paths, but regular stat doesn't have -s at all. Oh well | 22:43 |
| jrib | mneptok: what do you like about zstat though? | 22:44 |
| mneptok | jrib: nothing that would keep me from using regular stat (yet). but it's easier to invoke as a zsh user. | 22:46 |
| jrib | mneptok: hmm, easier to invoke in what way? Guess I don't use stat enough to see the benefits of zstat | 22:48 |
| mneptok | jrib: my zsh environment files that i have user forever invoke internal commands where possible | 22:49 |
| jrib | mneptok: I see | 22:49 |
| mneptok | laziness tends to trump usability in my house. that's the only reason i can think of that my wife stays around. | 22:50 |
| jrib | :o | 22:50 |
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| Pricey | first kick, then mute? | 23:18 |
| rww | hrm? | 23:18 |
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