[00:48] !google | test [00:48] test: While Google is useful for helpers, many newer users don't have the google-fu yet. Please don't tell people to "google it" when they ask a question. [00:48] Results for | test on Google: [00:48] -- [01:03] * Pici doesn't know what that means [01:07] ooh I missed there were two of them [01:07] well the sockpuppet one [01:10] * Pici wonders what gender has to do with laptop preferences [01:17] !google | test [01:17] test: While Google is useful for helpers, many newer users don't have the google-fu yet. Please don't tell people to "google it" when they ask a question. [01:17] Results for | test on Google: [01:17] -- [01:17] culb: hi [01:26] culb: hi again. [01:27] might want to change the banforward to a ban :\ [01:27] Glad to see that some other people are getting a clue about '-d' [01:31] !google Bing can usually be found first [01:31] I have no google command, use http://www.google.com/ [01:31] Results for Bing can usually be found first on Google: [01:31] -- [01:59] Pici: '-d'? [01:59] jrib: do-release-upgrade -d / update-manager -d [01:59] ah, yes I just scrolled #ubuntu :P [02:00] I thought it was some weird channel mode [02:44] * tonyyarusso sighs at troll continuing on in PM [02:56] @btlogin [02:56] I'd like back in ubuntu-offtopic [02:58] jon_athon: it appears that you got removed for trolling [02:58] h00k, so the claim goes [02:58] jon_athon: tonyyarusso is the one that banned you, as well as rww for ban-evading, which is against Freenode policy [02:59] as with usual for bans I set for ban-evading, it's up the original op to remove both bans, as far as I'm concerned [02:59] * tonyyarusso is around for consultation [02:59] s/with/per/ [03:00] jon_athon was trying to get people to "debate" him about global warming, and continually brought it up when the channel disappointed him by not taking the bait. [03:00] actually, I was mad because I couldn't get an explanation why debating was a waste of time [03:01] You appear to believe that people owe you a response to questions. This is both incorrect and not conducive to polite conversation. [03:02] If it was something you thought was important, you'd probably feel the same way [03:03] In fact, you've probably been just as mad at some point in your life, but had no where to give voice to your emotions [03:03] Ubuntu's IRC channels are not an appropriate outlet for your negative emotions. [03:03] * tonyyarusso was typing the same thing, but rww got there first, so +1 [03:03] Neither, I note, are the PM windows of people that have explicitly said that they don't want to get into a discussion with you. [03:04] well, I pmed rww for an attempt at conflict resolution, apparently there was no room for that [03:05] And I don't think banning me because you disagree but don't have an argument is an appropriate response [03:05] If you actually wanted to avoid conflict, you would have stopped repeatedly bringing things up that you knew I wasn't going to answer. [03:06] I already told you, you weren't banned because anyone "disagreed" with you. [03:06] I didn't ban you for disagreeing with me. I banned you because you evaded the ban tonyyaruso set on you. [03:09] I didn't say avoid, I said resolve. Why wouldn't I express negative emotion to the people that caused it? [03:10] rww, you did antagonize the argument too [03:10] #ubuntu-offtopic did not cause your anger about climate change science. [03:11] tonyyarusso, no, you did [03:11] jon_athon: because it's no fair to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. [03:11] jon_athon: Because the thing you want to "debate" is idiotic. [03:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map#Gavin_Menzies kthx. [03:12] jon_athon: The point is that you wanted to discuss a topic and nobody else felt like it. #ubuntu-offtopic is not there to entertain, even if it a times is entertaining. We just tend to go with the flow in there and if something doesn't interest us we move on to something else. [03:12] Those were responses to your continued trolling, so obviously something else came first. [03:12] Yea... a discussion with rww according to my link... erm... I don't know. [03:12] Oh, that's right. Antarctica has 4 corner simultaneous 4-day GLOBAL WARMING in only 24 hour rotation. [03:13] gpc, yea, I know [03:13] ok, so when asked to stop, just stop. [03:13] gpc, but I didn't appreciate the insults [03:13] gpc, so I did something about [03:13] knowing that, and pressing the issue, is called trolling. which is why you were banned. [03:14] !trolling [03:14] !troll [03:14] bah. [03:14] h00k, I know what it is [03:14] I think it was removed [03:15] it was. [03:16] well, my apologies for trolling, but, you weren't all innocent in the matter [03:16] I was. [03:16] heh, yea, you were [03:16] :) [03:16] :) [03:17] Ban evading is bad. Don't do that please. [03:17] gpc, no worries [03:18] ops should understand that if they are going to insult people, then ban them, they aren't going to respond pleasantly [03:19] jon_athon: I agree. users should understand that when an op asks you to drop a topic, they should. [03:19] s/an op/someone/ [03:19] rww, ? [03:20] also PM an op and calling them names is not acceptable. [03:20] rww: yes, sorry when an op or any other user asks for a subject to be dropped [03:20] jon_athon: I was correcting what gpc said [03:20] within reason, common sense is a must here [03:20] * rww nods [03:21] gpc, I think that was provoked too... I don't go around picking fights with people that don't provoke me [03:21] jon_athon: you may have felt provoked, I didn't really see it like that. [03:22] none the less, you PM'ing and calling people names is not acceptable. [03:23] that aside, #ubuntu-offtopic does have some topics that are frowned upon [03:23] politics,religion,sex,drugs... [03:23] gpc, eh, maybe different from another perspective (provocation that is) [03:24] I'm obviously biased, but I don't see anywhere in my #ubuntu-offtopic scrollback where I was being provocative. [03:24] gpc, didn't know that, we had a discussion about egypt the other day, I figured it was more scientific anyhow... [03:24] rww, you weren't, I didn't call you names though [03:24] So here it is, you think you can be a good netizen and follow our guidelines and try to blend in with the rest of the nut cases in that channel ? :) [03:25] jon_athon: ah, okay. You said "ops", so I figured you meant both me and tonyyarusso. [03:25] gpc, I think I've made a pretty good nut case in the past :) [03:25] Also make sure to read the channel topic when you join. [03:25] rww, apollogies, just speaking generally [03:25] np, just checking [03:26] !o4o > jon_athon [03:26] jon_athon, please see my private message [03:27] that message should clear up what is ok in #u-ot [03:27] rww, btw, it really sucks when people ignore an honest question... about why you didn't want to debate. I would have left it at that. [03:27] jon_athon: feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic and part this channel when ready :) [03:27] jon_athon: Should be ready now actually. [03:27] jon_athon: friendly advice: drop it dude :) [03:27] also @ gpc [03:28] thanks tonyyarusso and rww [03:28] gpc, yea, it's a peeve of mine [03:29] jon_athon: glad we could resolve this issue. Have a good night. [03:30] gpc, noted, to the bat cave [03:32] and now I just had to head off a PM about an explanation of why me ignoring him irritated him or something [03:32] asdf [03:33] ;lkj [03:33] I've been pondering the dynamics of consent in IRC. This incident seems relevant. [03:33] ntdp [03:33] * tonyyarusso glances at gpc [03:33] what [03:33] wat! [03:34] What layout is that? [03:34] randomgpc [03:37] rww: It's true, it would absolutely be a case to study. [03:37] s/case/incident/ [04:30] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from kylemm) [04:30] rww: some_person....what? [04:30] is that.. [04:30] can he say... [04:34] oh, speaking of !troll, since it came up in here earlier. It got removed because people were almost always using it as "You're a troll. I'm going to throw this factoid at you.". Which is not what it's there for, and which tended to worsen the situation. [04:36] Gnea called the ops in #ubuntu (uRock harrassing via uninvited PM) [04:56] now taking guesses on who Sly-FoX in #ubuntu was. [04:57] personal real life friend of mine [04:57] ah [04:57] known him for 13 years [04:57] he doesn't know this nick :) [04:58] gpc: you might want to adjust culb's banforward to a ban. They haven't been responsive for 10 days now... [05:15] I recommend a memoserv memo if it hasn't already been tried. [05:15] But yes, upgrade too. [08:51] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from pinnacle) [13:31] Its going to be another busy day. === knome is now known as knome__ === knome_ is now known as knome === knome__ is now known as knome_ === tomaw is now known as 5EXAB34GN === 5EXAB34GN is now known as tomaw === Pici is now known as Guest30254 === tonyyarusso is now known as Guest89424 === KB1JWQ_ is now known as Guest31496 === Guest30254 is now known as Pici [18:43] marienz: looks like "Gangsta (~Gangsta@166.186.168.24)" is back. [18:43] oh dear [18:43] marienz: please ^ [18:43] yeah, sec [18:43] I'm still sorting out my client [18:44] sure :) [18:44] who has ops in motu ? [18:45] ikonia: i do. [18:45] maybe worth removing gangsta [18:46] I actually was going to put a proposal together for an IRCC meeting to get more ops in -devel and -motu. [18:46] the bot should ignore them anyway [18:46] Pici: seems worthy [18:48] not sure having the bot ignore him is the best idea. makes it harder for us to see him unless we are in channels he is trolling [18:49] only ubottu does, and ubottu is only in core channels (or should only be) [18:49] -irc will get the alerts from other bots [18:50] (I'm usually a little useless right after reconnects, as it takes about half an hour before my channels have synced and I'm laggy until they have) [18:51] half hour?! wow, i thought my 5 minutes was bad [18:52] I think I'm in some 150 channels now (which means they don't actually join correctly the first time around as I don't auto-oper) [18:52] "Irssi: Join to #ubuntu-ops was synced in 1829 secs" [19:03] sigh [19:16] I am getting fed up with arguing with people to help them [19:16] and do-gooders offering stupid hints that do more harm than good [19:17] ikonia: irc break time my friend [19:18] I'm going out === Guest31496 is now known as KB1JWQ [19:37] boy wonder indeed... [19:38] on the other news, gotta love the constructive and friendly atmosphere in planet.ubuntu (especially last paragraph) http://handypenguin.blogspot.com/2011/02/mono-and-open-source-cannibalism.html [19:44] Tm_T: I think it was supposed to be sarcasm. [19:46] Pici: my sarcasm was prolly as bad as his then (; [19:49] Pici: and AFAIK he is mono user/developer of some sort, so I doubt it was any kind of sarcasm [19:51] although I don't have any source for this but that's how I recall [19:52] The name sounds like a nick, I just can't remember it exactly. [19:54] oh well, either way I didn't like to see that kind of post there [19:59] jrib: I *just* got boywonder working. [20:00] Pici: your the man [20:00] good job though, very patient :) [20:00] jrib: :P [20:04] great. [20:04] Now I'm an egg in this guy's heart. [20:05] that can't be good for his cholesterol levels [20:08] no, an egg in his heart's dog I think [20:20] Pici: what's stat -s supposed to do? -s doesn't seem to be a valid option here [20:21] jrib: http://pastebin.com/rafced4R [20:21] human readable output. [20:21] hrmm [20:23] it's not possible [20:25] Pici: http://paste.ubuntu.com/567456/ [20:26] jrib: ah. Looks like this is a shell built-in for zsh. [20:26] interesting... I'm running zsh... Guess it's zstat? [20:27] * jrib nods === kloeri_ is now known as kloeri [20:28] Looks like it. [22:21] jrib: use a fully qualified path to stat if you don;t want to use the built-in [22:35] mneptok: how come? [22:39] jrib: the standalone stat and a shell's built-in can differ a bit. [22:39] jrib: maybe one supports what you want while the other does not? [22:39] * mneptok tends to just use zstat [22:43] mneptok: oh, they both seem to work ok with relative paths, but regular stat doesn't have -s at all. Oh well [22:44] mneptok: what do you like about zstat though? [22:46] jrib: nothing that would keep me from using regular stat (yet). but it's easier to invoke as a zsh user. [22:48] mneptok: hmm, easier to invoke in what way? Guess I don't use stat enough to see the benefits of zstat [22:49] jrib: my zsh environment files that i have user forever invoke internal commands where possible [22:49] mneptok: I see [22:50] laziness tends to trump usability in my house. that's the only reason i can think of that my wife stays around. [22:50] :o === Guest89424 is now known as tonyyarusso [23:18] first kick, then mute? [23:18] hrm?