[00:48] <bazhang> !google | test
[00:48] <culb> Results for | test on Google:
[00:48] <culb> --
[01:03]  * Pici doesn't know what that means
[01:07] <bazhang> ooh I missed there were two of them
[01:07] <bazhang> well the sockpuppet one
[01:10]  * Pici wonders what gender has to do with laptop preferences
[01:17] <bazhang> !google | test
[01:17] <culb> Results for | test on Google:
[01:17] <culb> --
[01:17] <Pici> culb: hi
[01:26] <Pici> culb: hi again.
[01:27] <rww> might want to change the banforward to a ban :\
[01:27] <Pici> Glad to see that some other people are getting a clue about '-d'
[01:31] <mneptok> !google Bing can usually be found first
[01:31] <culb> Results for Bing can usually be found first on Google:
[01:31] <culb> --
[01:59] <jrib> Pici: '-d'?
[01:59] <Pici> jrib: do-release-upgrade -d  / update-manager -d
[01:59] <jrib> ah, yes I just scrolled #ubuntu :P
[02:00] <jrib> I thought it was some weird channel mode
[02:44]  * tonyyarusso sighs at troll continuing on in PM
[02:56] <h00k> @btlogin
[02:56] <jon_athon> I'd like back in ubuntu-offtopic
[02:58] <h00k> jon_athon: it appears that you got removed for trolling
[02:58] <jon_athon> h00k, so the claim goes
[02:58] <h00k> jon_athon: tonyyarusso is the one that banned you, as well as rww for ban-evading, which is against Freenode policy
[02:59] <rww> as with usual for bans I set for ban-evading, it's up the original op to remove both bans, as far as I'm concerned
[02:59]  * tonyyarusso is around for consultation
[02:59] <rww> s/with/per/
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> jon_athon was trying to get people to "debate" him about global warming, and continually brought it up when the channel disappointed him by not taking the bait.
[03:00] <jon_athon> actually, I was mad because I couldn't get an explanation why debating was a waste of time
[03:01] <rww> You appear to believe that people owe you a response to questions. This is both incorrect and not conducive to polite conversation.
[03:02] <jon_athon> If it was something you thought was important, you'd probably feel the same way
[03:03] <jon_athon> In fact, you've probably been just as mad at some point in your life, but had no where to give voice to your emotions
[03:03] <rww> Ubuntu's IRC channels are not an appropriate outlet for your negative emotions.
[03:03]  * tonyyarusso was typing the same thing, but rww got there first, so +1
[03:03] <rww> Neither, I note, are the PM windows of people that have explicitly said that they don't want to get into a discussion with you.
[03:04] <jon_athon> well, I pmed rww for an attempt at conflict resolution, apparently there was no room for that
[03:05] <jon_athon> And I don't think banning me because you disagree but don't have an argument is an appropriate response
[03:05] <rww> If you actually wanted to avoid conflict, you would have stopped repeatedly bringing things up that you knew I wasn't going to answer.
[03:06] <tonyyarusso> I already told you, you weren't banned because anyone "disagreed" with you.
[03:06] <rww> I didn't ban you for disagreeing with me. I banned you because you evaded the ban tonyyaruso set on you.
[03:09] <jon_athon> I didn't say avoid, I said resolve. Why wouldn't I express negative emotion to the people that caused it?
[03:10] <jon_athon> rww, you did antagonize the argument too
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> #ubuntu-offtopic did not cause your anger about climate change science.
[03:11] <jon_athon> tonyyarusso, no, you did
 jon_athon: because it's no fair to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
 jon_athon: Because the thing you want to "debate" is idiotic.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map#Gavin_Menzies kthx.
[03:12] <gpc> jon_athon: The point is that you wanted to discuss a topic and nobody else felt like it. #ubuntu-offtopic is not there to entertain, even if it a times is entertaining. We just tend to go with the flow in there and if something doesn't interest us we move on to something else.
[03:12] <tonyyarusso> Those were responses to your continued trolling, so obviously something else came first.
[03:12] <jon_athon> Yea... a discussion with rww <rww> according to my link... erm... I don't know.
 Oh, that's right. Antarctica has 4 corner simultaneous 4-day GLOBAL WARMING in only 24 hour rotation.
[03:13] <jon_athon> gpc, yea, I know
[03:13] <gpc> ok, so when asked to stop, just stop.
[03:13] <jon_athon> gpc, but I didn't appreciate the insults
[03:13] <jon_athon> gpc, so I did something about
[03:13] <h00k> knowing that, and pressing the issue, is called trolling. which is why you were banned.
[03:14] <h00k> !trolling
[03:14] <h00k> !troll
[03:14] <h00k> bah.
[03:14] <jon_athon> h00k, I know what it is
[03:14] <gpc> I think it was removed
[03:15] <rww> it was.
[03:16] <jon_athon> well, my apologies for trolling, but, you weren't all innocent in the matter
[03:16] <gpc> I was.
[03:16] <jon_athon> heh, yea, you were
[03:16] <gpc> :)
[03:16] <jon_athon> :)
[03:17] <gpc> Ban evading is bad. Don't do that please.
[03:17] <jon_athon> gpc, no worries
[03:18] <jon_athon> ops should understand that if they are going to insult people, then ban them, they aren't going to respond pleasantly
[03:19] <gpc> jon_athon: I agree. users should understand that when an op asks you to drop a topic, they should.
[03:19] <rww> s/an op/someone/
[03:19] <jon_athon> rww, ?
[03:20] <gpc> also PM an op and calling them names is not acceptable.
[03:20] <gpc> rww: yes, sorry when an op or any other user asks for a subject to be dropped
[03:20] <rww> jon_athon: I was correcting what gpc said
[03:20] <gpc> within reason, common sense is a must here
[03:20]  * rww nods
[03:21] <jon_athon> gpc, I think that was provoked too... I don't go around picking fights with people that don't provoke me
[03:21] <gpc> jon_athon: you may have felt provoked, I didn't really see it like that.
[03:22] <gpc> none the less, you PM'ing and calling people names is not acceptable.
[03:23] <gpc> that aside, #ubuntu-offtopic does have some topics that are frowned upon
[03:23] <gpc> politics,religion,sex,drugs...
[03:23] <jon_athon> gpc, eh, maybe different from another perspective (provocation that is)
[03:24] <rww> I'm obviously biased, but I don't see anywhere in my #ubuntu-offtopic scrollback where I was being provocative.
[03:24] <jon_athon> gpc, didn't know that, we had a discussion about egypt the other day, I figured it was more scientific anyhow...
[03:24] <jon_athon> rww, you weren't, I didn't call you names though
[03:24] <gpc> So here it is, you think you can be a good netizen and follow our guidelines and try to blend in with the rest of the nut cases in that channel ? :)
[03:25] <rww> jon_athon: ah, okay. You said "ops", so I figured you meant both me and tonyyarusso.
[03:25] <jon_athon> gpc, I think I've made a pretty good nut case in the past :)
[03:25] <gpc> Also make sure to read the channel topic when you join.
[03:25] <jon_athon> rww, apollogies, just speaking generally
[03:25] <rww> np, just checking
[03:26] <gpc> !o4o > jon_athon
[03:27] <gpc> that message should clear up what is ok in #u-ot
[03:27] <jon_athon> rww, btw, it really sucks when people ignore an honest question... about why you didn't want to debate. I would have left it at that.
[03:27] <gpc> jon_athon: feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic and part this channel when ready :)
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> jon_athon: Should be ready now actually.
[03:27] <gpc> jon_athon: friendly advice: drop it dude :)
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> also @ gpc
[03:28] <gpc> thanks tonyyarusso and rww
[03:28] <jon_athon> gpc, yea, it's a peeve of mine
[03:29] <gpc> jon_athon: glad we could resolve this issue. Have a good night.
[03:30] <jon_athon> gpc, noted, to the bat cave
[03:32] <rww> and now I just had to head off a PM about an explanation of why me ignoring him irritated him or something
[03:32] <h00k> asdf
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> ;lkj
[03:33] <rww> I've been pondering the dynamics of consent in IRC. This incident seems relevant.
[03:33] <gpc> ntdp
[03:33]  * tonyyarusso glances at gpc 
[03:33] <gpc> what
[03:33] <gpc> wat!
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> What layout is that?
[03:34] <gpc> randomgpc
[03:37] <h00k> rww: It's true, it would absolutely be a case to study.
[03:37] <h00k> s/case/incident/
[04:30] <maco> rww: some_person....what?
[04:30] <maco> is that..
[04:30] <maco> can he say...
[04:34] <rww> oh, speaking of !troll, since it came up in here earlier. It got removed because people were almost always using it as "You're a troll. I'm going to throw this factoid at you.". Which is not what it's there for, and which tended to worsen the situation.
[04:56] <rww> now taking guesses on who Sly-FoX in #ubuntu was.
[04:57] <gpc> personal real life friend of mine
[04:57] <rww> ah
[04:57] <gpc> known him for 13 years
[04:57] <gpc> he doesn't know this nick :)
[04:58] <rww> gpc: you might want to adjust culb's banforward to a ban. They haven't been responsive for 10 days now...
[05:15] <elky> I recommend a memoserv memo if it hasn't already been tried.
[05:15] <elky> But yes, upgrade too.
[13:31] <Pici> Its going to be another busy day.
[18:43] <Pici> marienz: looks like "Gangsta (~Gangsta@166.186.168.24)" is back.
[18:43] <marienz> oh dear
[18:43] <tsimpson> marienz: please ^
[18:43] <marienz> yeah, sec
[18:43] <marienz> I'm still sorting out my client
[18:44] <tsimpson> sure :)
[18:44] <ikonia> who has ops in motu ?
[18:45] <mneptok> ikonia: i do.
[18:45] <ikonia> maybe worth removing gangsta
[18:46] <Pici> I actually was going to put a proposal together for an IRCC meeting to get more ops in -devel and -motu.
[18:46] <tsimpson> the bot should ignore them anyway
[18:46] <ikonia> Pici: seems worthy
[18:48] <gpc> not sure having the bot ignore him is the best idea. makes it harder for us to see him unless we are in channels he is trolling
[18:49] <tsimpson> only ubottu does, and ubottu is only in core channels (or should only be)
[18:49] <tsimpson> -irc will get the alerts from other bots
[18:50] <marienz> (I'm usually a little useless right after reconnects, as it takes about half an hour before my channels have synced and I'm laggy until they have)
[18:51] <maco> half hour?! wow, i thought my 5 minutes was bad
[18:52] <marienz> I think I'm in some 150 channels now (which means they don't actually join correctly the first time around as I don't auto-oper)
[18:52] <marienz> "Irssi: Join to #ubuntu-ops was synced in 1829 secs"
[19:03] <Pici> sigh
[19:16] <ikonia> I am getting fed up with arguing with people to help them
[19:16] <ikonia> and do-gooders offering stupid hints that do more harm than good
[19:17] <jrib> ikonia: irc break time my friend
[19:18] <ikonia> I'm going out
[19:37] <Pici> boy wonder indeed...
[19:38] <Tm_T> on the other news, gotta love the constructive and friendly atmosphere in planet.ubuntu (especially last paragraph) http://handypenguin.blogspot.com/2011/02/mono-and-open-source-cannibalism.html
[19:44] <Pici> Tm_T: I think it was supposed to be sarcasm.
[19:46] <Tm_T> Pici: my sarcasm was prolly as bad as his then (;
[19:49] <Tm_T> Pici: and AFAIK he is mono user/developer of some sort, so I doubt it was any kind of sarcasm
[19:51] <Tm_T> although I don't have any source for this but that's how I recall
[19:52] <Pici> The name sounds like a nick, I just can't remember it exactly.
[19:54] <Tm_T> oh well, either way I didn't like to see that kind of post there
[19:59] <Pici> jrib: I *just* got boywonder working.
[20:00] <jrib> Pici: your the man
[20:00] <jrib> good job though, very patient :)
[20:00] <Pici> jrib: :P
[20:04] <Pici> great.
[20:04] <Pici> Now I'm an egg in this guy's heart.
[20:05] <gpc> that can't be good for his cholesterol levels
[20:08] <jrib> no, an egg in his heart's dog I think
[20:20] <jrib> Pici: what's stat -s supposed to do? -s doesn't seem to be a valid option here
[20:21] <Pici> jrib: http://pastebin.com/rafced4R
[20:21] <Pici> human readable output.
[20:21] <jrib> hrmm
[20:23] <jrib> it's not possible
[20:25] <jrib> Pici: http://paste.ubuntu.com/567456/
[20:26] <Pici> jrib: ah.  Looks like this is a shell built-in for zsh.
[20:26] <jrib> interesting... I'm running zsh... Guess it's zstat?
[20:27]  * jrib nods
[20:28] <Pici> Looks like it.
[22:21] <mneptok> jrib: use a fully qualified path to stat if you don;t want to use the built-in
[22:35] <jrib> mneptok: how come?
[22:39] <mneptok> jrib: the standalone stat and a shell's built-in can differ a bit.
[22:39] <mneptok> jrib: maybe one supports what you want while the other does not?
[22:39]  * mneptok tends to just use zstat
[22:43] <jrib> mneptok: oh, they both seem to work ok with relative paths, but regular stat doesn't have -s at all.  Oh well
[22:44] <jrib> mneptok: what do you like about zstat though?
[22:46] <mneptok> jrib: nothing that would keep me from using regular stat (yet). but it's easier to invoke as a zsh user.
[22:48] <jrib> mneptok: hmm, easier to invoke in what way?  Guess I don't use stat enough to see the benefits of zstat
[22:49] <mneptok> jrib: my zsh environment files that i have user forever invoke internal commands where possible
[22:49] <jrib> mneptok: I see
[22:50] <mneptok> laziness tends to trump usability in my house. that's the only reason i can think of that my wife stays around.
[22:50] <jrib> :o
[23:18] <Pricey> first kick, then mute?
[23:18] <rww> hrm?