[00:04] night [00:05] g'night! [00:09] Is there a way I can do some kind of text overlay thing? (In python) [00:09] I'm sure I saw a command line tool that could draw text [00:11] Azelphur: what do you want the text to overlay? [00:11] I mean like just display big information text on the screen [00:12] Azelphur: probably gnome-osd or python-osd packages [00:13] zenity? [00:15] zenity doesn't seem to do it [00:16] and gnome-osd errors for me [00:16] gonna try python-osd [00:20] Azelphur: there's also the notification API/it's dbus interface [00:20] pyosd works :D [00:25] hmm, has anyone made their own domain as an OpenID? [00:26] i know you can by adding in rel="openid2.provider", etc in the header... but is there a way to do it using .htaccess or similar? [00:28] moreati: only problem is that it triggers compiz fire :( [00:28] and I can't seem to get a wintitle or class or anything [00:29] hazrpg: I did it with a wordpress plugin [00:29] Azelphur: that went straight over my head i'm afraid [00:29] haha [00:33] i have an ubuntu system which will not listen to shutdown -r now or init 6 - anything else we can try? [00:34] iclebyte-work: What happens when you run those commands? [00:35] we get the normal message "system is shutting down" etc [00:35] then the system doesnt go down [00:35] it's just running as normal [00:38] iclebyte-work: is it remote, or have a remote KVM? can you press the power button? [00:38] we'll just drive there [00:38] right [00:39] if you're ready to hit the power switch, I'd just use sysrq [00:40] iclebyte-work: all I can suggest is look in dmesg/syslog/messages for signs of something suppressing the shutdown [00:43] s is sync, u is unmount (everything), b is reboot. echo them into /proc/sysrq-trigger one at a time (a few seconds apart, so it actually has time to sync disks before you kill it) and it should reboot on B. [00:43] it's brutal, but less so than hitting the power [00:44] (you'd usually want r, e, i, sub but e & I will kill ssh) [00:48] (should probably point out he's asking the same question in more than one channel; I'm not just skipping the troubleshooting and going straight for the hammer ;) [01:14] AlanBell: I just thought, the ubuntu-uk.org doesn't have the OpenID plugin installed on WordPress [01:14] might be worth doing [02:03] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Global Jam: Call For Events! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/15/ubuntu-global-jam-call-for-events/ [02:12] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/February%202011/2011-02-15-020419_1920x1200_scrot.png [02:12] sound boarding like a pro with wine, python, xlib and pyosd :D [02:12] (the text in the middle is overlayed) [02:40] but why? [02:41] ali1234: so I can sound board easier? :D [02:42] why don't you reprogram the G19 to play sounds on the g keys? [02:42] that would be easier than scrolling through a list [02:42] got more than 12 sounds, still stuck with the macros thing (even jgeboski seems a little stumped) and I wanted to make it work so my friends could use it too :) [02:43] or for that matter why even use a sound board? why not just get a mic and scream at people? [02:43] why go to the effort of screaming when you can press a button and have it scream for you :D [02:43] because you can be more creative [02:44] *shrug* [02:44] GET ON THE BALL [02:45] ARE YOU ON THE BALL? [02:45] I feel very sad for ubuntu right now :(, first time everything seems to be going wrong for me... its weird! [02:46] ali1234: http://splicd.com/2YEfXE2tzyg/46/49 :D [02:48] * hazrpg determined to figure out solutions to all his problems [02:49] is it just me, or is the nvidia driver for linux a bit... odd... [02:51] I mean applications seem to think my resolution is - specially when working with OpenGL [02:51] I mean a few games seem to think my screen is 2560x1024 xD [02:51] it is sometimes a bit odd with twinview [02:51] there are ways around it [02:51] for wine use virtual desktop mode [02:51] it works well [02:51] nah, this is for naive ubuntu games [02:52] but yeah, it always messes up fullscreen [02:52] especially youtube [02:53] I mean for example Tux Type - seems to take up the full screen, which is awesome... if it was for the fact that I have like 2-3 inches in the middle where the two screens meet! [02:53] if it wasn't* [02:54] so tempted to see if I can just rip out those plastic sections of the monitor and see if I can get them as close together as possible! [02:54] it's annoying that you have to buy a high end monitor just to get one without a stupid huge bezel [02:55] ...oh wait! I could buy like lots of polymorph type stuff and mold my own screen plastic! [02:55] yeah or you could just design it and have it built by one of those online shops [02:56] won't it be cheaper just buying a monitor that already has it set like that though :P? [02:56] either way it is probably cheaper to just buy a new monitor [02:56] polymorph is pretty cheap from maplins [02:57] and I'm sure it wouldn't take too much to mold a screen... I mean it just has to hold the screen in place, I couldn't care less if the board at the back wasn't covered or not [02:57] I barely see that anyways [03:06] holy crap!111222341``1A!][# [03:06] grr# [03:07] ignore that [03:07] the trick is hoping that your monitor just has slack space inside the bezel :) [03:07] was just seeing if i cover the contacts on the keyset if it would let me use the enter key and it does, however shift key doesn't work :/# [03:08] also, enter key is both enter and hash key# [03:09] must be something to do with the layout thats causing these issues ;/ [03:09] I think I'd have to suggest buying a real keyboard :p [03:10] i would if i could afford one lol [03:11] reminds me, I need to find a ps2 keyboard sometime soon. that's going to be fun [03:11] i have lots of those if you want one dude :/ [03:11] my motherboard only takes ps/2 mice, not keyboards :/ its odd [03:12] we discovered we can 'repurpose' some embedded equipment that's being EOL'd at work [03:14] hi, testing, testing, one two three.... using alt keyboard i had lying around... [03:14] grr, some key dont work right :/ [03:14] turns out they're only a soldering iron & a bios flash away from being perfectly boring ECX form-factor x86's [03:14] must be something to do with the keyset [03:15] wow heh [03:16] only 800MHz /w 256 meg, but 2 ethernet ports & 2 serial ports (only one is rs232 tho). going to try to bag one (or two) & make a firewall :) [03:17] mostly because I've got a crazy plan to see if I can use it as a SLIP gateway for my amiga [03:18] last time i used it my amiga supported PPP [03:19] and that's very easy to set up [03:23] slattach & add a route always seemed easy enough [03:25] ppp + proxyarp is easier [03:25] how do i find out what drivers are being used for a device, and where the file is? [03:25] look in /sys [03:28] I'll have to have a poke. should be getting the first one wednesday, but it's kinda moot until I can move my laptop off my monitor [03:33] ali1234: hmm, no luck with that one... want to see if I can change a file somewhere so that I can insert my own values in - like a tweak/hack per say [03:34] rebuild the kernel? [03:34] how will that help? [03:34] if you want to change drivers... [03:35] do elaborate some more please [03:36] <== only knowledge of a kernel is that it is the big brains of the whole operation, and without it we wouldn't even have an o/s, that it stores drivers, and other various functions, but thats as far as my knowledge goes [03:36] you're using a different keyboard now ? [03:36] do you know what a kernel module is? [03:37] erm, I'm going to guess its like a programming module, and has a set of functions in it for various things (like a plugin?) [03:37] shauno: yeah, I just ripped out my dell server keyboard out and i'm using that right now [03:38] feels so un-natural though, I've been using my zboard for about 4-5 years now [03:38] did you make a bug report about this? [03:38] yeah [03:38] I think so at least... [03:38] what's the bumber? [03:39] i mean bug number [03:39] * hazrpg logs into launchpad [03:40] * hazrpg internet has decided to be slow... [03:41] heh, typical it didn't send :/ [03:41] all my other bugs are there but that one :/ [03:41] * hazrpg screams @ pc [03:42] ali1234: that would be a no on the bnumber then :/ [03:42] bug number* [03:44] did you determine that it is a regression? [03:44] yeah, the keyboard was working under 9.10 [03:45] ok, you should test vanilla kernels between 9.10 and current [03:46] not vanilla [03:46] use the unnoficial packages [03:46] hmm, how would I do that? [03:46] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [03:47] !info linux karmic [03:47] linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.31.22.35 (karmic), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia all) [03:47] so start with 2.6.32 kernel [03:47] no, start with 2.6.34 [03:48] basically try to find the latest version where it works [03:51] hmm, I've never had to install a kernel before (minus the whole auto-update process) [03:51] * hazrpg is still a geek in linux training [03:52] you need headers_*_all and image_* for your architecture [03:53] with is probably amd64 [03:53] then install them like "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" [04:06] oh wait, hang on... (looks at disc carefully...) [04:07] apparently I tested it on a 32-bit version [04:07] that could potentially wield different results on a 64-bit version... could it not? [04:07] * hazrpg he says as he now burns off a amd64 version [04:08] I just used the disc I got from shipit years ago [04:08] just use the kernel package [04:09] that does make regression-testing fun, if it works in a 32bit 9.10 but not in a 64bit 10.10. gives you a second dimension of permutations [04:09] right, so test the 64 bit 2.6.31 kernel first, and if it works you know it is a kernel regression [04:09] i highly doubt arch affects usb devices or keymaps [04:09] indeed :) [04:10] you'd be surprised dude... I hate to use windows as an example, but I refused to use 64-bit versions of them for years (until Win7) because of driver issues [04:11] windows is completely different [04:11] thats why i said i hate to use windows as an example :P [04:11] I'm not sure it's a keymap issue if showkey is pretending the button doesn't exist [04:11] agreed [04:11] 64 bit problems were not caused specifically by 64 bit but by them all being closed source and the vendors do not want to pay developers to recompile them [04:12] ah [04:12] right, brb... gonna test this out... [04:19] kinda messy that removing nginx leaves entries in logrotate.d [04:20] using my netbook for now - man, whoever thought tiny kid sized keys was a cool idea was an idiot lol [04:20] I have a feeling that this disc didn't burn right :/ [04:21] taking forever to load [04:22] shauno: ? [04:22] just use the kernel package lol [04:24] i would if I knew how :p [04:24] like i said [04:27] hazrpg: http://pastebin.com/NuaM98Dw [04:27] oops ignore that [04:28] http://pastebin.com/z3SvGXx6 [04:29] okay, this is weird, enter key is non responsive in 64-bit [04:30] hmm [04:30] what keyboard is it again? [04:30] zboard [04:30] not zboard merc (as all the ppl on the forum seem to be using) [04:31] what are the usb ids? [04:31] Bus 002 Device 003: ID 1038:0100 Ideazon, Inc. Zboard [04:32] Bus 008 Device 004: ID 1038:0100 Ideazon, Inc. Zboard [04:33] Bus 008 Device 003: ID 03eb:3301 Atmel Corp. at43301 4-port Hub [04:34] that last one is the USB Hub that's build in [04:34] although its 2 port not 4 :/ [04:35] man if I knew how to program drivers... I would try to create one myself :/ [04:35] pastebin lsmod please [04:36] shall I boot back into 10.10 first? [04:36] doesn't matter [04:39] http://paste.ubuntu.com/567208/ [04:40] took me a moment to remember that > saves to file lol [04:40] generic hid [04:41] let's see dmesg [04:42] http://paste.ubuntu.com/567209/ [04:44] heh, I just realise - ubuntu is only seeing 2 out of 4 HDDs too :/ [04:44] I have a feeling its to do with my motherboard all these issues :/ [04:44] i think i know the problem [04:44] in your bios, is usb legacy support on or off? [04:45] * hazrpg wish i could decipher all these messages [04:45] legacy is set to auto [04:45] [ 8.410264] generic-usb: probe of 0003:1038:0100.0004 failed with error -22 [04:45] this is the problem [04:45] so I would assume it's turning it on [04:45] the keyboard is not operating on usb [04:45] can you show dmesg from 32 bit where it works? [04:46] i suspect that even with the new bios your motherboard does not support this keyboard properly in legacy mode [04:46] that was 32-bit [04:46] wait what? [04:46] yeah ikr [04:47] so it works now? [04:47] in 32 bit? [04:47] nope, not a clue why its so on & off like this [04:47] so it randomly works? [04:47] out of 5 tries now, on 32-bit it worked twice [04:48] is it because of the other keyboard you have plugged in? [04:48] ah crap, could be [04:48] bios legacy mode probably only uses the first keyboard it sees [04:48] unplug, reboot? [04:48] yeah [04:50] baring in mind the difference between these boots now and the first time I tried - the BIOS was updated [04:50] 0505 was the previous one, and 0802 is the one currently in use as of say 5-6hrs ago [04:51] noticed ubuntu is ignoring my 2 HDD's too [04:51] only showing 2 out of 4 [04:51] i think you should find a ps2 keyboard and turn off usb legacy support [04:51] but that might just be because of the controllers on the motherboard - 2 of them are showing up in CMOS as primary and the other 2 as secondary [04:52] only have one ps/2 port and i have a feeling its for mice only [04:53] nope, no response from enter key still [04:53] that'll be 2 out of 6 tries now [04:53] i would expect it to be for keyboard or autodetecting [04:53] could give it a shot if you like, got a ps/2 keyboard behind me [04:54] * hazrpg so glad he never throws out old working hardware [04:54] still wanting those pastebins? [04:54] you might not even need ps2, it's just incase you can't get into the bios with usb if it is turned off [04:54] which i doubt actually [04:54] especially if it doesn't have ps2 keyboard port [04:56] wish my old motherboard still worked, would test 10.10 on that if i could [04:56] actually wait....! [04:56] i have an older system my sister uses in here that i could put the keyboard into [04:56] also running 10.10 [05:03] well ive found my hdd issue [05:04] there 2 white sata ports and 4 black ones [05:04] dvd/2hdd's on in the black and one 2 in the white [05:04] guessing the white ones are why they keep showing up as IDE in BIOS [05:05] sounds like you have all the legacy stuff turned on in the bios [05:05] turn it off, you don't need it [05:07] heh grub doesn't like my keyboard right now :P [05:07] but that'll be because legacy is off [05:08] yes [05:08] however, as far as the hard drives go - i can set it to either "use as IDE" or use as "ACPI" or whatever the AC** is [05:09] nope, no enter key on keyboard still [05:09] AHCI [05:09] morning everyone [05:09] that would be the one :) [05:10] use that one [05:10] Always use ACHI :) [05:10] dunno about your keyboard though :/ [05:10] AHCI doesn't show up anything though ubuntu [05:10] nor in bios [05:10] hazrpg: it should show up in the bios [05:10] however windows can see those drives tho [05:11] hazrpg: ah maybe it's "software raid" [05:11] MartijnVdS: that it would :) [05:11] which is why i'm planning on moving them over to the other set of SATA ports with the rest of them [05:11] hazrpg: hazrpg dmraid! [05:12] hazrpg: dmraid should be able to cope with "assisted raid" from most chipsets [05:12] but the hard drives aren't actually RAID'd as far as I'm aware - they each have their own set of partitions, etc [05:13] sure, but if the controller is/was set to RAID mode, it'll set them up differently [05:13] it'll add a "header" to the beginning or end of the disk [05:14] MartijnVdS: by default it was set to IDE [05:14] and those drives were created on an older system [05:14] moment, going to rip out the keyboard and place into other machine [05:16] nope, not working in that either [05:16] i wonder if the stupid drivers in windows flashed the internal chips of the keyboard too?? [05:16] ... no [05:17] it was an install package, and the drivers couldn't be loaded any other way [05:18] because I've been using this keyboard for years, and was fine when I used it in my old core 2 duo machine [05:18] problems only started since I started using this i7 one [05:19] old motherboard fried, so had to get a new one, and it was still under warranty so I got a refund :) and got this one [05:19] the old motherboard was really expensive so I was able to get both a half a CPU and a new motherboard [05:19] (other half of the CPU I added on top) [05:20] only decided to load ubuntu on again the other night [05:20] :( [05:20] * hazrpg is a sad bunny [05:21] i'll have to invest in a new keyboard [05:49] moin [05:52] mornin [05:53] hmm, should i have ACPI 2.0 enabled or disabled... [05:54] enabled [05:54] PnP OS as well [05:56] yeah PnP OS is always the first thing I enabled [05:57] ACPI 2.0 is under power tho... [05:57] yeah but Linux supports it, so turn it on :) [05:57] how bout win7? [05:57] since I dual-boot between thos [05:57] those* [05:57] it's good as well [05:58] * hazrpg thumbs up [05:58] XP doesn't I think [06:00] its fine, don't use that anymore (think its on one of the HDD's - but that was because it was an old HDD and i've slowly deleted most of the windows related files off it so that I can move them away and format it to ext3/4 at some point [06:01] found out the two white SATA ports are 6Gb/s ports [06:01] guessing ubuntu doesn't support that too well then? [06:02] ali1234: do you still want me to lsmod and dmesg with legacy off? [06:02] before I save and exit [06:08] any keyboard recommendations? [06:09] considering I haven't had to buy one for like 5 years now lol === HazRPG1 is now known as hazrpg [07:08] hazrpg: good suggestion re openID plugin === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [07:22] AlanBell: :) [07:24] AlanBell: just thought it would be useful [07:24] * hazrpg really wish the caps lock key would be removed from modern keyboards :/ [07:29] or at least re-purposed# [07:30] it is on the google laptop [07:30] and on the OLPC === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [07:55] hello all [07:55] Morning. [08:02] hello [08:03] it seems the only way to update the bios on this samsung laptop is via windows 7 :( [08:03] danfish: always the case mate :S [08:05] MooDoo: :( as I spent the weekend do a full disk encrypt reinstall of 10.10, I ain't installing w7 [08:05] danfish: wine? [08:06] MooDoo: bit early thanks ;) [08:06] lol [08:07] * AlanBell checks out the lunch menu http://www.hiltonlondonmet.com/hotel/minako [08:07] I'm not sure wine can be used for this. I'm goning to try and extract the files from the update on a W7 vm, then made a freedos startup usb stick [08:08] danfish: install w7, you know you want to :) [08:09] AlanBell: looks swanky - pleasure or business? [08:11] ah, just seen TheOpenSourcerer's tweet. [08:11] mysterious business of some kind [08:11] ooooooo mysterious :) [08:13] morning all [08:13] danfish: annoying isnt it? [08:13] i have a laptop that requires windows for some OS updates but not others [08:13] sometimes you can unpack it all and find a floppy disk image inside or a dos executable [08:15] popey: very irritating. There does seem to be dos executable, so maybe freedos will work [08:15] yeah, that may work [08:27] I used to have a script that would build a small Freedos ISO with the files I needed for BIOS updates. But hopefully in a few short years all PCs will have Linux built-in anyway :-) [08:29] orning [08:29] Morning all [08:29] Awning daubers [08:30] So the age of Daviey is coming to a close then [08:34] daubers: Yep, certainly is [08:41] * daubers awaits for the mass protests in Gwibber Square, near Shotwell Corner [08:44] lol [08:45] daubers: Protests on stepping down to early, or to late :) [08:50] Aloha [08:50] morning czajkowski [08:51] o/ [08:54] Any sign of BigCalm yet, or is still celebrating [08:54] DJones: celebrating? did he do it? [08:55] MooDoo: http://twitter.com/#!/bigcalm/status/37257391665975296 [08:55] MooDoo: 21:10 < czajkowski> Bigcalm popped the questions, his gf said yes! [08:55] MooDoo: he confirmed it on twitter last night [08:55] :d [08:56] czajkowski: yes he said he was going to do it :) woohoo, crazy fool ;) [08:56] DJones: he's a crazy fool :) pmsl ;) [08:56] MooDoo: Heh [08:57] DJones: he says being married for 4 years lol [08:58] MooDoo: 7 years for me, 8 years in June [08:58] At least it'll cut down his car insurance [08:59] lol [08:59] such a romantic bunch you lot are [08:59] * czajkowski wallops MooDoo DJones daubers [08:59] czajkowski: oi behave..... [09:00] czajkowski: we're not romantic because we've not met you yet...isn't it obvious :) [09:00] czajkowski: Well, it is a major benefit! Saved me ~£300 a year on mine! [09:00] Must admit, getting married has been the best thing to happen in my life :) [09:00] MooDoo: That doesn't necesserily work [09:00] daubers: shhhhh i'm creeping :) [09:01] DJones: It certainly ranks up there with being born in the first place [09:01] daubers: Good point [09:01] daubers: she wasnt on your insurance till you married her ? [09:01] czajkowski: She was, but being married reduced the premium [09:01] hah [09:02] czajkowski: Apparently married couples are statistically less likely to have an accident [09:02] load of rubbish IMHO, but saved me some dosh :) [09:02] Till I went and got a car with a bigger engine anyway [09:02] I got married 11 years ago and my wife still won't change her surname [09:03] danfish: keeping her options open [09:03] mind you, her first name is Tina, and my surname is Fish, so "Tina Fish" [09:03] daubers::) [09:03] Hah! If we'd have waited till the end ofthis year my missus wouldn't have been able to change her surname without major issues 'cause of the soliceters regulatory body or somesuch (so she said) [09:03] danfish: is she still unsure :p [09:03] her middle name is Michelle, so effectively her name would be "tin of shell fish" [09:04] sudo make me a tina fish sandwich [09:04] AlanBell: czajkowski :P [09:04] my gran was called cox and my surname is mellors, so she double barreled her surname.....doh! [09:04] MooDoo: onoly in your family! [09:05] czajkowski: i was just making a point of the funny name when you say them together lol [09:05] MooDoo: sure... [09:05] * czajkowski likes her surname [09:06] it's very unique and very me :) [09:06] literlaly, irc, twitter identi.ca etc [09:06] *literally [09:06] czajkowski: you do realize when we meet you're going to be called laura and if i ever try to say your surname it's going to be cz [09:06] ;) [09:07] * czajkowski frowns [09:07] czajkowski: i'm kiddingh [09:08] danfish: still on std conference duty ? [09:09] czajkowski: He gave up & went home ill yesterday [09:10] DJones: eh ? [09:10] czajkowski: He blamed his wife for giving him flu, went to work & then said he was going home ill [09:11] DJones: ahhhh... [09:11] DJones: he's also going to a conference the day we all meet up for rugby [09:11] czajkowski: Ah, I was thinking you meant he was at a conference this week [09:12] yesterday/today [09:12] nope :) === dogmatic69_ is now known as dogmatic69 [09:12] he does attend a lot of conferences [09:14] hello [09:14] reports of my demise can be ignored - have upgraded my health status from 'At Death's door" to "Should pull through" [09:14] revo: hello [09:14] BIGCALM!!!! [09:14] i have screen-saver off and power management set to never but it keeps turning off the monitor after 5 minutes, help! [09:15] lucid 10.04 [09:15] Good morning peeps :) [09:15] o/ bigcalm [09:15] czajkowski: I will still be attending the STD conference during the rugby meetup :( [09:15] danfish: you don't want to go and look at odd shaped balls then? [09:16] AlanBell: Thats a quick thinking comment [09:16] AlanBell: hah. Also I might not get the attendees goodie bag for this conference ;) [09:17] * DJones plays the wedding march for bigcalm ... Congratulations [09:17]