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iheartubuntupleia2 - nhaines : with the original CA team logo -> http://iheartubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-ca/sleeve-2011-final.png00:08
DarkwingDuckOh... quick poll... What ISOs do we want?00:09
nhainesDarkwingDuck: I'm not using git.  Also if I knew gitaddress I'd be fine!00:11
nhainesBut fortunately, ilan found gitaddress and bzr handled the rest at that point.00:12
DarkwingDucknhaines: where is it hosted?00:12
DarkwingDuckbzr will handle git wont it...00:12
nhainesDarkwingDuck: code.osuosl.org, allegedly.00:12
DarkwingDucknhaines: :D00:12
nhainesilan found it at github, though.00:13
nhainesIf they compile by next weekend I'll buy an Android Market license and distribute them.  :D00:13
DarkwingDuck:D00:14
DarkwingDucknhaines: have you looked into SL4A and Python programs on Android?00:14
iheartubuntuhttp://iheartubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-ca/info-sheet-california-2011.pdf00:22
akknhaines: If you don't have time to get the market license, distribute the .apk anyway.00:22
DarkwingDuckiheartubuntu: Awesome00:23
DarkwingDuckI really need to get some stuff for Kubuntu done up...00:23
iheartubuntuwhat do you need done? i can do it in the middle of my sleep tonite00:24
DarkwingDuck:) Same style of info sheet but more Kubuntu-ish00:26
iheartubuntudo you have any svgs i can work off of?00:26
DarkwingDuckNot at the moment...00:27
DarkwingDuckWe have not had a good community base.00:27
iheartubuntudoes ubuntu california have any flyers we can hand out? i know there is an ubuntu artwork site out there now. if we dont have any specific flyers, i can work off of other peoples stuff and build a kit of stuff for ubuntu california team00:27
DarkwingDuckActually that's one of the projects I'm starting to work on.00:27
iheartubuntulet develop a kit.00:31
iheartubuntuwhat do we want in the kit?00:31
pleia2I have some printed of the info-sheet-california from a few months back00:31
pleia2http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/082010/toys_and_fliers_linux_picnic_2010.jpg00:32
pleia2^^ I'm bringing that stuff00:33
pleia2I should probably update the team resources to include our website now00:34
pleia2it's this document: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/ubuntucalifornia.svg00:34
pleia2(you have to open in inkscape, browsers are lousy at rendering svg)00:34
iheartubuntuyah :)00:35
iheartubuntupleia2 - it looks awesome with the new font.00:36
iheartubuntuare u interested?00:36
pleia2that does use the new font00:36
pleia2it's the same one in the photo above00:36
pleia2actually, it probably used the beta font00:37
nhainesiheartubuntu: re: the CD cover, I probably wouldn't use the orange background for the Ubuntu logo.  The paper folds are always off... usually significantly.00:37
nhainesIt does look good, though.00:38
iheartubuntuohh right. i didnt have the beta font installed so it didnt pick it up00:38
pleia2iheartubuntu: hm, did you delete all the files you linked to the mailing list?00:38
iheartubuntunhaines - try printing it... i did just b/w and it looks so nice00:38
iheartubuntuyah00:38
iheartubuntuhttp://iheartubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-ca/00:38
iheartubuntuim storing everything there now00:39
nhainesPrinting isn't going to fix the alignment or bleed issue.00:39
pleia2ah ok00:39
iheartubuntuthere is a sub directory also titled "alt_versions"00:39
pleia2I agree with nhaines, I've folded some of these before and perfect alignment accuracy is a virtue we can't often afford :)00:40
DarkwingDuckiheartubuntu: are you a ubuntu member?00:40
iheartubuntuwhat changes do we need to do on the ubuntu california flyer you linked00:40
iheartubuntuno00:40
pleia2iheartubuntu: just add a link to the website I think00:40
iheartubuntuone day?00:40
iheartubuntuwhich website00:40
pleia2in the "Team Resources:" section00:40
pleia2ubuntu-california.org00:40
iheartubuntumailing list and forums stay the same?00:40
pleia2yeah00:40
iheartubuntuirc needs updating00:40
pleia2yep00:41
iheartubuntu(i still like the old irc)00:41
pleia2it still works00:41
pleia2(redirects here)00:41
iheartubuntulaunchpad same?00:41
pleia2yep00:41
iheartubuntutwitter, facebook, identica all same?00:41
iheartubuntudo we want the website at the top of team resources?00:41
pleia2yeah00:41
pleia2I think00:42
pleia2lemme doublecheck facebook00:42
pleia2yeah, looks like00:42
pleia2we should find a volunteer to maintain facebook, MarkDude gave me admin on it but I hate facebook00:45
iheartubuntui can volunteer to do any artwork in a timely manner00:48
iheartubuntui can volunteer to do facebook as well unless someone is crazy to do it00:48
pleia2yay00:48
pleia2we should talk about this at scale, it's unclear to me what the facebook page serves as (should we post upcoming events there? or..?)00:49
pleia2the creation of it is before my time00:49
* pleia2 needs to wrap up at work00:50
iheartubuntutheres a site i use on my blog.. i forget what it is...00:50
iheartubuntuevery time i post to my blog... it posts to twitter and facebook as well.00:50
iheartubuntumaybe we can use this for team news?00:50
iheartubuntuit would just be automatic for anyone subscribed to facebook and twtter accts00:50
nhainespleia2: historically, the Facebook page was created after we had asked for no further social media accounts to be created without discussion.00:54
nhainesThere was never a defined purpose for it, which continues to this day.00:55
iheartubuntuhappy valentines day everyone :)00:58
iheartubuntui could see facebook for now as just another means to connect with people, and with auto updates, it can do the job admirably01:08
MarkDudeSaxbys ftw01:51
iheartubuntuSounds expensive01:52
MarkDudeNot really01:59
MarkDudeUmm01:59
* iheartubuntu wishes he got the android02:13
jamiedmattinglyi have a droid incredible i have a lot of fun with it02:14
DarkwingDuckMy old school droid is nice and fun to play with.02:15
pleia2iheartubuntu: oh yes, if we can figure out how to make fb auto update that'd be great02:15
DarkwingDuckHey pleia2 you have a few minutes?02:16
iheartubuntui have to figure out how i did thst :) so do we have a source where news get posted?02:16
pleia2DarkwingDuck: sure02:17
pleia2iheartubuntu: our identi.ca and twitter feeds for the team02:17
Eurekawiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited02:17
DarkwingDuckThe way I have everything setup is my identi.ca accound auto posts to twitter and twitter auto posts to FB02:18
iheartubuntulet me look into this. so isnt the twitter and other feeds all pretty much the same info?02:18
iheartubuntuif we had a source where weverything goes, then we can have all the same info distrubuted to all thr social sites02:18
pleia2yeah, identi.ca auto-posts to twitter02:18
iheartubuntuno effort needed.02:18
DarkwingDuckjono: ping02:19
pleia2my twitter used to go to facebook, but I think it broke02:20
pleia2hasn't been cross posting lately02:20
DarkwingDuckI actually have not posted to Twitter in a while.02:20
iheartubuntuok, the site i use is called twitterfeed.com02:21
DarkwingDuckI should start doing that again.02:21
iheartubuntumy cat... http://tinyurl.com/4h6axzy02:22
pleia2MarkDude is pretty well-versed in these tools too02:22
iheartubuntuif we had a site with an RSS feed we can use twitterfeed to post to facebook and twitter02:24
MarkDudePosterous.com02:25
pleia2I think both identi.ca and twitter have rss feeds02:25
MarkDudeeasiest way to do it02:25
pleia2ah, there's our social media guru ;)02:25
pleia2MarkDude: can it update the facebook page for the team?02:25
MarkDude2nd easiest is gwibber02:25
MarkDudeYes02:25
pleia2cool02:26
MarkDudeYou need to have an admin allow access to the page02:27
pleia2easy enough02:27
* MarkDude can help someone set it up02:28
* pleia2 peers at the time02:28
pleia2I'll nudge you tomrrow about it02:29
pleia2need to finish getting ready for dinner02:29
iheartubuntupleia2 is going for belgian beer someplace? :)02:35
MarkDudeGood deal02:38
MarkDudeThinking of Bierte and JanC while drinking it I hope02:39
iheartubuntuanyone doing anything special tonite?02:46
rwwDoes nethack count?02:48
iheartubuntuwhats nethack?02:48
iheartubuntuinteresting tidbit: Q4 of 2010 verizon added 900,000 new subscribers. same period, China Mobile added 14 MILLION new subscribers. jeez!02:50
rwwiheartubuntu: a game that has nothing to do with the net or hacking02:54
rww!info nethack-curses02:54
EurekaPackage nethack-curses does not exist in02:54
rwwoh. right. Eureka doesn't do that.02:54
MarkDudeBad Eureka02:54
MarkDudeno cookie for you02:54
* MarkDude lied, here is a cookie02:54
iheartubuntuis it in the reps?02:55
iheartubuntua rogue like game? serious??02:55
iheartubunturogue was awesome02:56
* akk offers "aptitude search nethack"02:56
rwwiheartubuntu: Yes. There are a number of different interfaces for it though, so you can't just apt-get install nethack, you need to pick one and install its package instead02:57
rwwhttp://www.nethack.org/v343/Guidebook.html is useful02:57
iheartubuntuwhy not rogue?02:57
iheartubuntufor that matter, why not Regnum Online.02:58
rwwnethack is free software and in the repositories03:00
rwwI've been poking around at crawl recently, too. crawl or crawl-tiles in the repos.03:02
iheartubuntur these much diff than rogue?03:03
iheartubuntui was always fond of rogue.03:03
iheartubuntuone of the first games i played on my brothers IBM back in the 80s03:04
iheartubuntuhe paid like $5000 for the comp. haha03:04
iheartubuntuthat a pricey game of rogue03:04
akkrogue drove me crazy -- people spent incredible amounts of time playing it on the vax at college, and I found it so boring.03:04
iheartubuntubut crawl and nethack look almost identical03:06
iheartubuntusave a few ascii charactrers03:06
iheartubuntu:|03:07
* iheartubuntu wonders if rww is getting ready for bandwidth control03:07
iheartubuntu:p03:07
rwwhehe03:08
iheartubunturww will you be at scale?03:10
rwwiheartubuntu: nope03:10
iheartubuntuakk?03:10
iheartubuntuawwww03:10
iheartubuntudang03:10
akkI'm speaking, so yes.03:11
iheartubuntuohh ok :)03:11
akk:)03:11
iheartubuntuwifey is doing a speech on Dell for her audit accounting class right now.03:13
jonoDarkwingDuck, hey03:15
jonoI haven't long DarkwingDuck, about to go offline for the evening03:15
iheartubuntuanyone heard of an Apad (android tablet)?03:19
iheartubuntuhere it is. $94 bucks... http://tinyurl.com/4zpprrq03:19
akkWow, good price.03:20
akkWould be nice to know some details like who makes it, what version of Android etc.03:20
iheartubuntuwould be cool to put ubuntu on it :)03:20
akkSupposedly a lot of the cheap android tablets have poor battery life, and if it's uncommon it might be hard to do things like root it, get access to the android marketplace etc.03:22
iheartubuntuhas a camera, usb, wifi, touch screen. no info on the main specs03:22
akkBut the hardware sounds cool if you wanted to do some serious reverse engineering and get stuff like ubuntu running on it.03:22
akkWhat's a "T-flash card"?03:23
iheartubuntu256mb ram03:24
iheartubuntuARM 11 chip03:24
iheartubuntu800mhtz processor?03:24
iheartubuntudoesnt sound speedy03:24
akkThat's what my Archos 5 has ... seems fine for what I do (I don't play a lot of intense action games, though).03:26
DarkwingDuckjono: I'll send you an email about it. It will tak e a bigt.03:27
DarkwingDuck*bit03:27
iheartubuntuarchos 5 uses android?03:28
jonoDarkwingDuck, np, thanks!03:29
DarkwingDuckjono: it's about the community. Us in the Kubuntu side want to start reaching out more.03:29
akkThe "Archos 5 internet tablet" is Android 1.6. There's an earlier Archos 5 something-with-media-in-the-name that isn't Android.03:30
DarkwingDuckjono: and because of my involvment in Locos I was elected to head that up.03:30
jonoDarkwingDuck, cool, drop me a mail - I have to leg it now, lets talk in a bit :-)03:30
DarkwingDuckjono: sounds good.03:30
jonothanks, pal!03:30
jonohave a good night!03:30
akkThe A5IT has lots of development interest -- you can dual boot Froyo, Angstrom Linux, and I hear people have managed to boot ubuntu and meego too.03:31
akk(None of these work well enough for everyday use, though.)03:31
iheartubuntubut ubuntu does have touch screen cababilty?03:34
jamiedmattinglyMarkDude,  when is that thing at saxby's again?16:22
jamiedmattinglydid anyone watch jeopardy last night?17:08
akkMy mom did. She said the computer did well and knows a lot about Beatles songs, and she's rooting for it.17:09
jonoMarkDude, yo17:10
jonoUbuntu Global Jam event at Saxby's?17:10
jonoI am thinking of organizing it on April 1st17:10
jonoyou in?17:10
jamiedmattinglyim just not sure how people can beat a good database computer17:10
jamiedmattinglyapril fools day jono?17:12
jonojamiedmattingly, yeah, that is the first day of the jam :-)17:12
MarkDudejamiedmattingly, 1pm17:12
akkjamiedmattingly: The computer has lots of data, but it has to be able to parse the question then relate it to all the bits in the database and formulate an answer.17:13
akkA nice AI problem.17:13
jamiedmattinglythanks MarkDude17:13
MarkDudejono yes that sounds like a good deal.17:14
jamiedmattinglygood point akk17:14
jamiedmattinglyif its not a aprilo fools joke id love to go17:14
* MarkDude had to check if it would interfere ILF- it wont17:14
jonoMarkDude, awesome, I will add the event and announce it17:15
MarkDudeGood deal- I can tell Deanna to reserve it17:16
MarkDudeWe should make a flier for it- and we can hang it there17:17
MarkDudeas well as other places17:17
MarkDudejono,  let me have the link when you are done- I can put it on their FB wall, as well as create an event17:21
* MarkDude suggests some whale tail logo or sumthin for the flier17:21
jamiedmattinglyjust out of curiosity what is a global jam it sounds fun17:22
pleia2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam17:22
pleia2you all get together and contribute to ubuntu in some way together17:23
jamiedmattinglythanks pleia217:23
pleia2bugs, testing, translations17:23
MarkDudeOr in my case, I bring a crappy laptop by so people can mock it17:23
jamiedmattinglyjust wait till you see mine. lol17:24
MarkDudelast time at Jonos jam, Courtney wondered what the tape was for..... pulled my hard drive out accidentally and it bounced across the floor17:24
akkhaha17:24
jamiedmattinglyok mine isnt that bad just issing a bunch of keys lol'17:25
akkI guess she thought the duct tape was just for the hip aesthetics.17:25
akkDid the drive still work after bouncing?17:26
MarkDudeYes, it did17:28
MarkDude4800 rpm drive or sumthin'17:29
jamiedmattinglywow that is impressive you dont see many that survive a fall17:29
jonoerk, I expired from the ubuntu-us-ca LP team17:30
MarkDudejamiedmattingly, let Bethany know what kind of machine it is- and we can include a request for a replacement keyboard from FreeGeek17:30
jonocan someone approve me?17:30
jonoI just reapplied17:30
MarkDudelol17:30
MarkDudejono 1st time took me a few months to be approved joining the Team, 2nd time, a few minutes :D17:30
jono:-)17:31
jamiedmattinglyreally? wasnt sure id be able to find one17:31
MarkDudePossibly at least17:31
jamiedmattinglyit is a acer netbook aspire one a015017:31
MarkDudeTheir laptop program has so many machines17:31
jamiedmattinglywho is bethany?17:32
MarkDudeThe way they work with hardware grants is the will take requests- and see if a machine comes by that has the parts17:32
MarkDudeBethany is a core volunteer of GidgetKitchen17:33
jamiedmattinglycool MarkDude itd be great to have a full keyboard again17:33
MarkDudeShe is handling the hardware drive we are putting together17:33
jonopleia2, can you approve me for ubuntu-us-ca in LP?17:34
MarkDudeGK is getting parts and pieces, taking them and building machines for Partimus and their Linux computer labs17:34
jonopleia2, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california17:34
jamiedmattinglyhow do i get ahold of bethany?17:34
MarkDudejono sort of hard to manage the community when you dont have access - huh?17:35
jonoMarkDude, heh, yeah17:35
pleia2jono: done17:35
jonothanks pleia2!17:35
MarkDudeShe should be there Sat, dont worry I can copypasta it to our master list of requests17:35
* MarkDude does not know if she will get into IRC or not17:36
jamiedmattinglyok cool thanks mark will see you saturday17:36
MarkDudeMarch 19th work for folks for a possible geeknic date?17:36
* MarkDude wants some input and other suggestions before we fully vote on this17:37
akk"copypasta" always makes me think of a couple of pieces of rotini linked together then splitting apart to go create other rotini strands17:37
jamiedmattinglywhere at on march 19th?17:44
pleia2MarkDude: sounds good (I have a cousin visiting that weekend, but she isn't staying with me and her brother lives here too, she'll be suitably entertained)17:45
MarkDudeAsk her opinions on grown men wearing Penguin suits17:47
MarkDude:D17:47
jamiedmattinglywhat about penguin style body paint on nudes?17:48
jledbetter!17:48
jledbetterWell, it is the bay area.17:48
jamiedmattinglyweather permitting of course nobody needs shrinkage lol17:49
* MarkDude is fine with the geese doing so , as long as it is an activity engaged in by the gander also :D17:49
MarkDudeAs long as there is parity, as far as others- we have had a bit of a debate- on what would be considered an ok *sexy penguin*17:50
MarkDudeProlly not naked tho, unless it is in Santa Cruz. More likely people wear white t shirts and a black dress shirt unbuttoned17:51
MarkDudeand possibly red bow-ties (still not sure how that started)17:52
MarkDudePenguin-fest-201117:52
jledbetterpleia2, Bring your cousin?18:22
pleia2jledbetter: she's in town for work + sight-seeing w/ family (it's been a while since she's been to SF), not so much picnics18:25
jledbetterAw :)18:25
MarkDudejledbetter, Courtney was not able to make it to the Severed Fifth show since she had an out of town guest18:25
jledbetterI guess y'all are better hosts than I am. I drag people along ;)18:26
MarkDudeAnd for some reason she kept telling me that her strictly religious friend for some reason did not want to go to a heavy metal concert, go figure18:26
* MarkDude has zero issue taking hostages, unless it conflicts with their version of God/Goddess/whatever18:26
nhainesYay, I have a Canonical employee lined up for Ubucon.18:44
MarkDudeGood deal nhaines18:45
DarkwingDucknhaines: what one?18:46
MarkDudenhaines, we are having a meeting at a local Panera, any advice you have would be appreciated :)18:46
nhainesDarkwingDuck: Ted Gould.18:47
nhainesMarkDude: what kind of meeting?18:47
DarkwingDucknhaines: nice. :) How many speakers do you have?18:49
MarkDudeLindependence hour, we might do a few hackergotchis, as well as play a board game18:50
MarkDudehttp://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=19923323343700318:50
MarkDudeSo I can put this on the Cali Team event thing?18:51
nhainesDarkwingDuck: I have five confirmed and a sixth which is verifying availability.18:51
DarkwingDucknhaines: Awesome!18:51
nhainesSo if the sixth can't make it, I'll just do an open Q&A like I did last time when a speaker couldn't make it.  It was wildly successful.18:52
nhainesThe very first question, by the annoying guy in the from was "Why does KDE 4 suck so much?"18:52
DarkwingDuckLOL18:52
nhainesI repeated the question (over the mic) "That's a good question.  The question was, why was the KDE 4 experience less than optimal?"18:52
DarkwingDuckI hope to answer that with my talk18:53
DarkwingDuck:D18:53
nhainesThen I talked about the KDE4 API transition and how much nicer 4.2 and 4.3 was, and what a great time it was to try it out again if it disappointed a year and a half before.18:53
nhainesDarkwingDuck: two or three people afterward and during SCaLE came up and complimented me on how I addressed and rephrased the question.  :D18:54
DarkwingDuckThe real reason why KDE4 sucked is the same reason why Unity is going to suck. You are trying a new system and there are going to be major bugs and issues. As time moves on the expirence gets beter with new things, tweaks and updates.18:58
DarkwingDuckI am NOT looking forward to seeing how the Natty+1 complaints are going to go.18:59
nhainesHopefully it'll be a solid move in the long run.19:04
nhainesI notice they started reimplementing "system tray" functionality yesterday.  Whitelisted to Java, Wine, and Skype.19:06
DarkwingDucknhaines: In the long run it will be good... The only thing I am slightly worried about (And maybe because I'm spoiled) is the lack of upstream support for moving to Unity19:07
DarkwingDuckBut, then again, I'm spoiled with upstream support19:08
nhainesUnity is its own upstream.  :)19:16
DarkwingDuckAye, it is... But then again I enjoyed our UI change upstream. :P:P19:18
nhainesLooks like 39.6% of the daily ISO has changed since Alpha 2.  So I'm downloading that now.19:22
DarkwingDuck:)19:23
DarkwingDuckI'm not yet running Alpha on my production machine.19:23
nhainesMe either, although I'm considering whether or not it's going to be stable enough to have on my laptop (the presentation computer) for Ubucon.19:25
nhainesLooks like a no.  :)20:05
MarkDudeThose that are interested- Geeknic planning meeting in #gidgetkitchen at 7PM (pst) tonight.20:40
* MarkDude will have an agenda list shortly. Meeting should last less than 15-20 minutes20:41
MarkDudeAlso a call for people to let folks know what good board or card games you may have20:42
* MarkDude has Perquackey and chess. Monopoly might be cool. Something with Zombies like I saw a while ago would be epic20:43
MarkDudeAgenda for meeting so far http://pastebin.com/MXJFRHP9 suggestions welcome21:36
pleia2MarkDude: board games for the geeknic?21:37
* pleia2 thinks monopoly money would fly away in the wind21:37
MarkDudeUm the Lindependence hour this thursday21:38
pleia2oh ok21:38
* MarkDude will change that21:38
pleia2thursday is the mt view ubuntu hour too21:38
pleia2(and baylisa)21:39
pleia2aww, baylisa looks good this month21:39
* MarkDude has egg on face21:39
* MarkDude fired I tell ya'21:39
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DarkwingDuckWell, that's interesting.22:08
=== dragon1 is now known as dragon
MarkDudeUpdated agenda for tonight in GK http://pastebin.com/4VNM8H8F22:58
MarkDude7pm, or if you have any thought or opinions, let some GK person or myself know :)22:59
iheartubuntuare there any pros or cons of attending a LUG as its not ubuntu specific?23:39
pleia2LUGs++23:40
* akk goes to whatever talks sound interesting, who cares whether the group is distro specific or not?23:40
pleia2I used to run the philadelphia one, grantbow still runs one23:40
iheartubuntui had contacted my local lug many moons ago but never got a response. i notice that the meetings are still listed in various places so im assuming its still active23:41
akkContacted how? The LUGs around here are just mailing lists and monthly meetings.23:42
iheartubuntuby email23:42
akkLike any mailing list, if you post something on an interesting topic usually people will respond.23:42
iheartubuntuhhmm. maybe i had tried to join the mailing list and never got a reply. i dont recall. it was months ago23:43
iheartubuntuunless gmail trashed it23:43
iheartubuntuthey have been trashing so many of my emails lately23:43
iheartubuntuso going to a meeting is a good thing. and i should go with an open mind, not saying one distro is better than others?23:44
pleia2yeah, maybe you'll learn something :)23:44
akkAll Linux people are on the same side, iheartubuntu.23:47
iheartubuntutheyre all on my side?23:47
akkNothing wrong with having a favorite distro, but Linuxes are a lot more similar than they are different.23:47
iheartubuntu:)23:47

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