[01:40] <bigfabdaddy> hello all
[01:45] <EvilPhoenix> greetings...
[01:58] <MutantTurkey> o/
[02:28] <EvilPhoenix> oh god, my system is being slow today... just put 10.10 on a netbook, and there's over 260 updates that need to be done >.>
[02:32] <ChinnoDog> So install them
[02:33] <EvilPhoenix> that's what i'm doing
[02:33] <EvilPhoenix> its been at it for 25+ minutes now though
[02:33] <EvilPhoenix> slow piece of crap
[02:33] <EvilPhoenix> :/
[02:35] <EvilPhoenix> got a question though.  if I need gcc/g++ 4.5, and I put the packages on, will those packages (and NOT the 4.4 ones), will it replace the g++ command, or add a different command  into the system?
[02:35] <EvilPhoenix> and if you dont know i'm stuck going into #ubuntu which is a hellhole compared to here :P
[02:39] <ChinnoDog> Newer packages always replace older packages if they are the sucessors
[02:39] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: right?
[02:40] <EvilPhoenix> the thing is its listed as SEPARATE in Synaptic
[02:40] <MutantTurkey> EvilPhoenix: D:
[02:40] <EvilPhoenix> g++ has one package, and so does g++-4.5
[02:40] <ChinnoDog> hrm. "separate"?
[02:40] <ChinnoDog> Is g++ a metapackage?
[02:40] <EvilPhoenix> g++ is version 4.4
[02:40] <EvilPhoenix> same as the version in the repos for 10.04
[02:40] <EvilPhoenix> there's the 4.5 version sitting in the package lists too though
[02:40]  * EvilPhoenix wasnt sure what happens with that
[02:41] <ChinnoDog> I would assume that g++ is the package you want and that if there is a separate package for a newer version that it is still somewhat experimental
[02:41] <EvilPhoenix> eir needs 4.5 or newer (4.5 is the newest)
[02:41] <EvilPhoenix> and i need eir for another net/channel
[02:42] <ChinnoDog> if there is a plain g++ package I assume that would be updated in order to bring everyone up to 4.5
[02:42] <EvilPhoenix> right, but 4.5 was released semirecently
[02:42] <EvilPhoenix> and spb is being an ass and coding eir and ircd-seven and stuff with gcc/g++ 4.5 (the rolling releases)
[02:43] <EvilPhoenix> rather than the currently-distributed-en-mass gcc/g++ 4.4 packages
[02:43] <EvilPhoenix> and compiling gcc/g++ from source is a pita
[02:43] <ChinnoDog> Well, presumably it will install /usr/bin/gcc-4.5
[02:43] <ChinnoDog> but idk if /usr/bin/gcc will point to 4.4 or 4.5 after you install both
[02:43] <EvilPhoenix> i wasnt planning on installing conflicting libs :P
[02:44] <ChinnoDog> Will they conflict? idk enough about installing multiple verisons of the same apps in linux.
[02:44] <EvilPhoenix> was wonderin whether i needed to make a symlink in the folder where gcc-4.5 is and have the symlink named "gcc"
[02:46] <ChinnoDog> I'm thinking if you run 'gcc' from command line or script it is going to first look for it in the local directory and then in the path. If you aren't modifying /usr/bin/gcc then you would have to symlink gcc somewhere that it is picked up before it finds it in /usr/bin
[02:46] <EvilPhoenix> right, i edited the symlink for gcc to point to gcc-4.5
[02:47] <EvilPhoenix> but there was no g++ in /usr/bin, so I just created a link for g++ and pointed it to g++-4.5
[02:47] <EvilPhoenix> :/
[02:47] <EvilPhoenix> rolling release packages are evil >.>
[02:49] <EvilPhoenix> so i take it 11.04 is out in 2 months, in speculation, would you say they'll make gcc/g++ 4.5 the standard gcc/g++, or keep 4.4 as the standard and offer 4.5 as available?
[02:49]  * ChinnoDog shrugs
[02:51]  * EvilPhoenix shrugs also
[02:51] <EvilPhoenix> aw crap, i forgot to install git
[02:54] <EvilPhoenix> ChinnoDog:  you know how I can change the button format in 10.10 so that the buttons for the window show up on the right side instead of the left?
[02:54] <EvilPhoenix> sorta in the windows style :/
[02:55] <rmg51>  it's in the themes
[02:55] <rmg51> if you find the right one the buttons will be where you want them
[03:01] <EvilPhoenix> thanks
[13:45] <teddy-dbear> hi everyone
[13:46] <andrew> I will only talk to inanimate objects if they are smarter than Watson
[13:46] <teddy-dbear> your favorite teddy bear can now hang out with you during the week :-[
[13:47] <teddy-dbear> I'm at leasts smart if not smarter then any of our bots ;-)
[13:49] <teddy-dbear> got to learn how to type :P
[13:49] <erstazi> watson++
[13:49] <teddy-dbear> I got a new toy last night
[13:50] <andrew> TMI
[13:51] <teddy-dbear> ok, then I won't tell you :-(
[13:52] <jedijf> teddy-dbear: what new toy? wireless card?
[13:52] <teddy-dbear> Clear :-D
[13:53] <jedijf> productivity at work just went down
[13:53] <teddy-dbear> I am now a hot spot
[13:54] <jedijf> awesome, so you can use linux!
[13:54] <teddy-dbear> I can now listen to internet radio :-D
[13:55] <teddy-dbear> the little dongles still don't support linux
[13:55] <teddy-dbear> modem/router works with anything
[13:56] <teddy-dbear> andI can hook up 6 devices :)
[13:56] <teddy-dbear> time to find some music to listen to
[14:30] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[17:16] <pleia2> EvilPhoenix: you can check what the next version of ubuntu will have by searching packages.ubuntu.com - ie http://packages.ubuntu.com/g++
[17:16] <PennBot> Title: Ubuntu -- Package Search Results -- g++ (at packages.ubuntu.com)
[17:16] <pleia2> and yes, 4.5 will be default in 11.04
[19:52] <ChinnoDog> hi Pici
[19:52] <Pici> Howdy
[20:18] <ChinnoDog> lunch is here
[20:19] <MutantTurkey> freenode under a ddos attack?
[20:21] <JonathanD> :(
[20:22] <EvilPhoenix> isnt it always?
[20:22] <EvilPhoenix> :/
[20:23] <JonathanD> not always.
[20:23] <JonathanD> Just sometimes :P
[20:23] <EvilPhoenix> s/sometimes/most of the time/
[20:23] <JonathanD> I wouldn't go that far.
[20:23] <JonathanD> 83
[20:23] <EvilPhoenix> half of the time? :P
[20:24] <JonathanD> hardly :P
[20:24] <JonathanD> By my offhand estimate, less than 10% of the time.
[20:24] <EvilPhoenix> heh
[20:24] <MutantTurkey> just right now.
[20:25] <JonathanD> 100% of the time right now.
[20:25] <JonathanD> :P
[20:25] <JonathanD> also setting numbers records.