[06:27] <sakhi> moonin
[06:31] <superfly> heya sakhi
[06:35] <Kilos> morning superfly and other dudes
[06:35] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:40] <sakhi> hi Kilos superfly #ubuntu-za
[07:51] <tumbleweed> so, WA has a debian mirror again today, but it's at a different place in the tree
[08:02] <froztbyte> hahaha
[08:20] <cocooncrash> ROFL
[08:58] <Symmetria> wow
[08:58] <Symmetria> never in my life 
[08:58] <Symmetria> have I ever seen a sleeping tablet as strong as the stuff the doc told me to take last night
[08:58] <Symmetria> holy fuck
[08:58] <Symmetria> within 30 minutes of taking that stuff, I couldnt walk, passed out, woke up 14 hours later
[08:59] <froztbyte> I'd be tempted to check that out, but it still wouldn't fix my sleeping issues :(
[08:59] <Owkkuri> heh, anti-histamines do that to me 
[09:00] <Owkkuri> *nom*, pass out
[09:17] <inetpro> Symmetria: sounds like you needed it
[09:58] <Cantide> '<
[10:00] <superfly> Owkkuri: have you tried a loratadine based anti-histamine?
[10:00] <Owkkuri> I should get something that doesn't knock me out
[10:00] <Owkkuri> first time I've ever had to take them.
[10:00] <Owkkuri> getting hayfever from my cat :<
[10:01] <superfly> Owkkuri: stuff like allergex knocks me out, but loratadine seems to work and not put me to sleep
[10:03] <Owkkuri> thanks superfly
[10:03] <Owkkuri> aye it's allergex that hits me for a six
[10:05] <superfly> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loratadine
[10:22]  * Owkkuri bookmarks
[10:23] <sakhi> is there a way to enable application monitoring with snmp?
[10:24] <froztbyte> "yes"
[10:24] <froztbyte> you already have a process tree available
[10:24] <froztbyte> search for prTable with your mib browser of choice
[10:25] <sakhi> at the moment I can see memory, network, CPU, disk...
[10:25] <sakhi> cool let me do that.
[10:25] <froztbyte> "see"?
[10:25] <froztbyte> do you mean cacti?
[10:26] <sakhi> ZenOSS and another Proof Of Concept application (commercial) Eye of the storm.
[10:26] <froztbyte> give zenoss an ssh key, it'll map out processes automatically
[10:27] <froztbyte> if you want to add anything, go to /Classes/Processes and define one there, then remodel your device
[10:29] <froztbyte> actually now that you mention it, I can't remember whether the process list tracks prTable as well
[10:34] <froztbyte> http://community.zenoss.org/docs/DOC-4810#d0e4180
[10:34] <sakhi> Classes gives more options. (applications and devices) 
[10:34]  * sakhi takes a look.
[10:36] <froztbyte> looks like it uses prTable, so just make sure your snmpd config includes HOST-RESOURCES
[10:38] <froztbyte> http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/process_monitoring.pdf is another good link
[10:39] <froztbyte> why are you looking at other things than zabbix? I thought you liked it?
[10:42] <sakhi> :) I do like it. There is a POC which has the same look and feel as ZenOSS and the vendor is running it on Windows. I'm not sure how it works yet their guy wants to monitor applications and prove that its the best thing since cheese cake.
[10:43] <froztbyte> zabbix is a piece of shit
[10:44] <froztbyte> but we've done this before, so *shrug*
[10:45]  * sakhi leans towards ZenOSS instead of eye of the tiger
[10:45]  * sakhi *leans towards ZenOSS instead of eye of the storm
[10:54] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:54] <Symmetria> someone gimme an awk print string that allows me to display a ' literal character in the output
[10:55] <Symmetria> so like |awk '{print("'blah'")}'
[10:55] <Symmetria> which doesnt work cause it doesnt like ' 
[10:55] <Symmetria> and escaping it doesnt seem to work
[10:57] <linuxboy> awk '{print("\x27" "blah" "\x27")}c'
[11:00] <Symmetria> aahh thanks :)
[11:00] <Symmetria> that helps
[11:03] <linuxboy> next time LBGTFY
[11:03] <Symmetria> :P if I had the time and inclination I would try and figure out what the fuck that acronym meant
[11:04] <linuxboy> Let Bing Google That For You
[11:04] <linuxboy> (also, you should have googled that)
[11:06] <drubin> linuxboy: You can't say the word Bing in this channel ;)
[11:07] <linuxboy> drubin: its an alias for google
[11:07] <drubin> Since when..
[11:07] <drubin> just because they steal results doesn't mean we can replace the word Google with Bing
[12:10] <nuvolari> bing rhymes with sting, sling, fling, ring, teeing. Sounds way worse than "google" :P
[12:13] <maiatoday> bing reminds me of the sound sensored radio makes when a swear word is said, or maybe that is beep
[13:45]  * nlsthzn cannot fathom the reason behind a name like bing either (then again, neither can I figure out a name like Google)
[13:49] <Owkkuri> nlsthzn: I think a google is 1 with 100 zeroes
[13:49] <Owkkuri> 1e100
[13:49] <superfly> Owkkuri: actually a "googol" is a 1 with 100 zeroes
[13:49] <superfly> "google" is a play on "googol"
[13:49] <Owkkuri> ah yes superfly
[13:49] <Owkkuri> :P
[13:49] <nlsthzn> ah, thx :)
[13:58]  * Symmetria bounces around
[13:58] <Symmetria> Extending tenet's network to amsterdam :) YAY!
[14:27] <sakhi> amsterdam thats good news
[15:51] <tumbleweed> superfly, drubin: BTW I moved the ubuntu-za cronjob around half an hour (it was running at the same time as CLUG Park), and set MaxRequestsPerChild 10, and everything seems fine now
[15:53] <drubin> tumbleweed: woohoo
[15:54] <tumbleweed> that max requests will obvious take a toll, but who cares about performance :P
[15:54] <tumbleweed> obviously
[15:55] <tumbleweed> drubin: I'd still like to see http://ubuntu-za.org/admin/reports/updates whittled down
[19:02] <RootChaos> evenings
[19:03] <RootChaos> i installed netbook 10.10 on my new BenQ JoyBook
[19:04] <RootChaos> can't seem to get the wireless connection going
[19:04] <RootChaos> don't quite like the look & feel of netbook so im bussy installing 10.10 desktop
[19:04] <RootChaos> running updates at the moment
[19:04] <RootChaos> hope it sorts out the wireless issue
[19:06] <RootChaos> dmesg |grep eth1   picks up the wireless, Broadcom BMC4315 802.11 hybrid wireless controller 5.60.48.36
[19:07] <RootChaos> but network connections it's not showing
[19:07] <RootChaos> :(
[19:08] <superfly> RootChaos: you didn't hardcode it in /etc/network/interfaces?
[19:08] <RootChaos> no
[19:08] <RootChaos> if i click the network icon up top next to the time
[19:08] <RootChaos> its says "wireless" disconnected
[19:08] <RootChaos> and the wi-fi light on the laptop is off
[19:08] <RootChaos> i can press Fn+F2
[19:08] <RootChaos> to toggle wifi on/off
[19:08] <RootChaos> but it doesnt seem to do anything
[19:09] <RootChaos> on a review of the laptop somewhere i read that at the time of writing the review they also could not get it going
[19:11] <superfly> RootChaos: have you googled using the device id (from output of lspci)
[19:12] <RootChaos> BCM4312
[19:12] <RootChaos> no
[19:12] <RootChaos> not yet
[19:12] <RootChaos> let me check
[19:14] <superfly> RootChaos: no, there's a device id which looks something like this: 00a4:0a49
[19:15] <RootChaos> 01:00:0
[19:15] <RootChaos> thats all i see
[19:20] <RootChaos> ah
[19:20] <RootChaos> apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[19:20] <RootChaos> should do the trick according to another site
[19:21] <superfly> yeah, that sounds right
[19:22] <RootChaos> just waiting on the updates to complete
[19:22] <RootChaos> then i'll try that
[19:47] <RootChaos> that didnt work
[19:47] <RootChaos> trying another fix
[20:06] <Symmetria> heh
[20:06]  * Symmetria sends an email that will start a war in the internet community
[20:26] <Tonberry> o
[20:36] <Symmetria> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2011/001365.html
[20:36] <Symmetria> heh sorry the formatting is so fucked up on my reply to that
[20:36] <Symmetria> but it makes for an interesting read