=== zyga-afk is now known as zyga [09:44] Happy Day-After-Valentine's-Day! [09:45] JamesTait: where is my box of chocolates?!?!? [09:46] okay, who knows a reliable way of determining how much bandwidth is used by the process for sending data to outside world? [09:47] best if it just shows - current transfer for python - 50KiB/s [10:23] hm, it looks like bandwidth throttling is working [10:24] i.e. it transfers a bulk of data, then stops for some period of time, so it is more like interrupting transfer than the delay before every packet [10:24] anybody here saw ubuntuone bandwidth throttling not working? [11:42] morning all [11:42] rye: i did at one point [11:43] on maverick i think it was [11:43] (bandwidth throttling) [11:43] duanedesign, i am trying to find out how to make it misbehave and even though it looks like once it failed to stop streaming it no longer fails :-/ [11:44] i wonder whether it is unable to modify throttling limits durnig the transmission [11:44] interesting idea [11:44] i am trying to play catch up to all the new changes :) [11:45] been looking for a job last few months so have not had the time I have wanted to put into U1 [11:46] hi guys [11:46] rye: the controlpanel.log is replacing the preferences.log? [11:46] hey karni [11:46] nokia abandoned linux. what a fail. [11:47] uggh [11:47] duanedesign, yes, completely, and it comes in 2 packages to enable 3rd party control panels for ubuntuone (not tied to gtk i mean) [11:47] rye: oh cool [11:47] karni, nokia abandoned symbian, what a win... but what will happen to Trolltech's QT? [11:47] rye: and the credentials log? [11:48] hello everyone [11:48] rye: from what I see nokia has been promoting Qt quite intensely recenly (if that's what you're talking about) [11:49] karni, yes, exactly, since they believed QT is the magic thing that will attract the developers to the platform. They have even created a remote compile service so that you could compile code for symbian even on linux (sources are sent there, compiled, then binary is sent back)... [11:50] rye: wow, cool. and they have abandoned that already o_O? [11:52] karni, need to check, nevertheless i tried to compile some examples from the QT Creator/Nokia SDK thing with that remote compile and all failed. Probably symbian and I have a mutual hatred [11:52] rye: :D [11:52] nessita, credentials.log - whose part is that - sso, ubuntuone-syncdaemon or ubuntuone-control-panel? [11:53] rye: ubuntuone.credentials module, a thin layer on top of ussoc to provide dedicated auth services for U1 [11:54] rye: but basically is part of ubuntuone-client [11:54] * duanedesign nods [11:54] rye: would you have some time to review (with fieldtest) https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/really-download-ro-shares/+merge/49462 ? [11:57] nessita, on it [11:57] rye: is anyone workiing on bug 718196 [11:57] Launchpad bug 718196 in ubuntuone-control-panel (and 1 other project) "Add control panel logs to apport reports (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718196 [12:33] nessita, approved [12:33] rye: awesome, thanks [12:33] duanedesign, i had some initial bits but i also wanted nessita to tell what other logs can be collected [12:35] ahh, ok [12:36] just saw something I might beable to help with :) [12:36] be able* === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:39] good morning everyone! [12:40] duanedesign, an idea is popping up regularly in my head about collecting not all syncdaemon.log but grepping out some parts (possibly screaning the paths) so that we have more info immediately [12:40] hi [12:40] yesterday I used the nightly ppa to get new u1* on my maverick box [12:41] there was a bug with missing platform.linux.tools python package [12:41] AFAIR someone said it's just a matter of hours till this is fixed [12:41] is there any update to this? [12:44] rye: yes that would be nice. Some of those logs you get hypnotized about half way through and start to possibly miss information [12:44] hello zyga [12:44] zyga: good question [12:44] duanedesign, hi, how are you1 [12:46] zyga, hm, is it working for you now? because my maverick sd starts properly [12:46] rye, nope, let me check my precise version [12:47] I'm on 1.5.3+r865~maverick1 [12:47] and it's not working [12:47] I can paste the traceback if you want [12:47] zyga: I was. sorry, no fix yet, I am working on it right now. [12:47] ralsina, okay, thanks, I'll check again after upgrade [12:49] zyga, hm, u1sdtool not working? [12:49] There's no way bug #572006 is for the desktop+ team right? [12:50] Launchpad bug 572006 in ubuntuone-servers "Shared File URL are Guessable (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 15)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572006 [12:50] rye, yes, ImportError [12:50] ralsina, no and it is web/foundations/anybody since there is already a plan on how to prevent that... and it is only server-side [12:50] okay, why does mine work? [12:51] rye: I'll assign to web [12:51] ralsina, it's foundations :) [12:51] zyga, ok, rebooting the vm to re-test, my sd nightlies work on maverick [12:52] zyga could you post the traceback? It works for me too :-( [12:53] zyga@fx-maverick:~$ u1sdtool [12:53] Traceback (most recent call last): [12:53] File "/usr/bin/u1sdtool", line 33, in [12:53] from ubuntuone.platform.linux.tools import ( [12:53] ImportError: No module named platform.linux.tools [12:53] ralsina, I'm sure it's a missing dependency then [12:54] zyga: let me re-check on maverick [12:54] * zyga will have to look at command-not-found for python packages and modules that hints on import error :-) [12:57] zyga: should be in python-ubuntuone-client [12:58] ralsina, I have 1.5.3+r865~maverick1 [12:58] ha [12:58] it's there [12:58] so what could have happened? [12:59] hmm I cannot import ubuntuone.platform [12:59] zyga: output of "dpkg -L python-ubuntuone-client | grep tools" please? [13:00] /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/platform/linux/tools.py [13:00] zyga: remove and reinstall python-ubuntuone-client [13:00] zyga: ok, your python is screwed [13:00] zyga: oh, wait, no it isn't :-) === hito_jp0 is now known as hito_jp [13:00] Or rather, your site.py may be, I am not really sure :-( [13:01] so, should I reinstall to check [13:01] zyga: yes please [13:02] still the same [13:02] hmmm [13:04] tell me what you get with "python -m ubuntuone.platform.linux.tools" [13:04] python -m ubuntuone.platform.linux.tools [13:04] /usr/bin/python: No module named platform.linux [13:04] zyga: ok, I think I have a clue now [13:05] zyga: friday we changed how the python modules are imported and something is broken. [13:05] ralsina, you have a custom import hook? [13:05] please run "python -v -m ubuntuone.platform.linux.tools" and put the output in a pastebin [13:05] ralsina, I looked a the package and it looks normal to me, I'm surely missing something [13:05] zyga: pth files [13:06] zyga: or could be a stale .pyc file [13:06] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/567301/ [13:06] zyga: ok, I'll read that. It's going to take a little while ;-) [13:07] zyga: do you have a /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/libubuntuone/ubuntuone/__init__.py ? [13:08] yes [13:08] $ ls -ld /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/libubuntuone/ubuntuone/__init__.py [13:08] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2011-02-14 13:26 /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/libubuntuone/ubuntuone/__init__.py [13:08] I checked that too while looking at package structure [13:09] Well, you shouldn't! [13:09] hmm, why not?' [13:09] At least I don't have it :-) [13:10] w8 [13:10] oh [13:10] dpkg -S that file? [13:11] already did [13:11] not found [13:11] hmmmm [13:11] Well, that's the problem, you have bits and pieces of some old ubuntuone thing. Before the change, they were later in the path than the oficial one. Now they are earlier, and are breaking things. [13:11] I remember one thing [13:11] just a second [13:11] let me check [13:13] hmm [13:13] I thought this might be caused by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479852 [13:13] Debian bug 479852 in python-central "python-central: does not remove files when upgrading to a version not using pycentral" [Important,Open] [13:13] but I don't think so anymore [13:13] it's related to older pycentral [13:13] so... [13:14] any more ideas how this could have stayed behind [13:14] zyga: no idea really [13:14] But I found the same thing in one of my VMs for another module [13:16] so it could be a more common bug [13:16] I'm trying to think if this machine was hit by any random crash but I cannot think of anything really [13:16] and this issue popped out as soon as I started using the nightly ppa [13:17] zyga: there is something broken here, it's just that I don't know what it is yet [13:17] zyga: but I have a VM with very broken imports like yours [13:20] zyga: I have a whole set of modules in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/ubuntuone-client that I have no idea where they came from [13:20] Do you? [13:20] zero idea, I don't know how pycentral works, all I know is that it tries to maintain the source away from the .pyc files for each python version [13:21] it looks like stale cache, leftovers from previous installation, right? [13:21] that were not removed for some reason [13:21] perhaps doko knows more [13:21] zyga: probably the uninstall script failed badly [13:22] I am snapshotting the VM to check if removing that folder fixes the problem [13:22] k [13:23] ralsina, yet another reason why dpkg should not have so many scripts and should just use triggers and other declarative actions [13:24] zyga: still broken [13:24] I need to look much deeper, sorry [13:24] ralsina, I'm playing with pycentral binary [13:24] sure [13:29] zyga: I wish so much dpkg -S had told me those files were symlinks to files owned by a deb :-( [13:30] ralsina, what did you do exactly? [13:30] zyga: nothing irreversible ;-) [13:35] zyga: do you have a /usr/lib.python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/ ? Deleting that fixed it for me. [13:35] ralsina, no I dont [13:35] hmmm [13:35] odd [13:36] zyga: grmbl [13:36] oops that 'slib/python2.6 :-) [13:36] I can't copy/paste from that VM so I am retyping and made a typo [13:39] ralsina, you mean /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ ? [13:39] I still don't have ubuntuone there [13:39] zyga: yes, it was a typo [13:42] zyga: do you have a libubuntuone installed? [13:43] if you mean libubuntuone-1.0-1 then yes [13:45] ok, uninstall it [13:45] hey all, I need some reviews here: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/aggregator-fixes/+merge/49806 [13:47] alecu, looking [13:47] alecu: I'll review [13:47] alecu: small thing I noticed about notifications: starting nautilus will always cause a "file sync finished" bubble. [13:48] ralsina, gone [13:48] ralsina, weird. How are you restarting nautilus? by killing it? [13:48] that fixed i [13:48] alecu: yes, I am testing the plugin :-) [13:48] :-) [13:48] ralsina, can you please enlighten me [13:48] zyga: I have absolutely no idea why that happened :-) [13:48] ralsina, hmm :D [13:49] alecu: very likely that nautilus is trigerring a GetPublicFIles that translates to a command [13:49] zyga: but if reinstalling it does it again, file a bug ;-) [13:49] yes, a python script that calls getpublicfiles does that too [13:49] meh [13:49] nessita, right! good point. [13:49] But I don't think that should cause bubbles [13:49] ralsina, sure [13:50] alecu: try with magicicada and an IDLE syncdaemon [13:50] nessita, queueing command (0/1): GetPublicFiles [13:50] nessita, it's exactly that. [13:50] :-) [13:50] ralsina: so, the sile sync complete is kinda a true message [13:50] file* [13:50] though we may hid that? [13:51] we should only start bubbling with upload/download [13:51] +1 [13:52] BTW, can anyone tell me why this script is broken? https://pastebin.canonical.com/43304/ [13:52] zyga: might as well stick my nose in here then [13:52] ralsina: broken how? [13:52] nessita: as in "not working" and "I am clueless about twisted" :-) [13:53] I am trying to debug why nautilus is not getting anything back from getpublicfiles [13:53] And I am not being able to get anything myself. But I am not sure if it's because my script sucks or not . [13:53] ralsina, reinstalling that library did not cause a regression [13:53] zyga: ok, so it's magic. [13:53] tumbleweed, ralsina has a VM with a snapshot that shows the broken state [13:53] yes, we will only bubble with upload/download in an upcoming branch, there's a bug for it... [13:54] bug #715842 [13:54] Launchpad bug 715842 in ubuntuone-client "Percentage in notification is a bit off: Uploaded 52/52 files, 95% completed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715842 [13:54] tumbleweed, I got this broken state by installing a few packages form ubuntuone nightly ppa [13:54] zyga: aha, which ones, and do we know how thy are broken? [13:55] * tumbleweed is no expert here, but I have a fair understanding of the python helpers [13:55] tumbleweed: the fun part is that libubuntuone is not even about python. It's about mono [13:55] tumbleweed, so looking back at my scrollback here, there seems to be a /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/libubuntuone/ubuntuone/__init__.py that should be gone, it was present in an older version of a library [13:56] ralsina, (if I miss something please correct me) [13:56] zyga: no, that was not the problem. That file was a symlink to the one python-ubuntuone-client installed. [13:56] Or maybe not, I don't remember anymore :-( [13:56] ralsina, hmm, sorry, so what was the problem? [13:57] zyga: sadly the problem in my VM is only similar, but not the same. [13:57] tumbleweed, from the end user point of view a python import was failing, the package that shipped the python modules was okay but the cache was still holding older .pyc files that broke the import sequence [14:00] ralsina: well, several things. You're not using the reactor how is supposed to be used. You need to install a particular reactor (glib's, gtk's, etc). I switch to use the gobject loop, and is working. The second error is that the list is not returned, but signal back with 'PublicFileList' signal [14:01] ralsina: is there a stand up? [14:01] mandel: wow! I completely forgot [14:01] me (no notes yet) [14:02] me [14:02] me (no notes yet either) [14:02] ralsina, alecu, dobey, thisfred? [14:04] nessita, u1 control panel fails to work when you have static IP assigned, is there any way to force it to assume network is present? [14:04] zyga: it checks against network manager. If network manager reports no connection, then U1 thinks you have no connection [14:05] zyga: we have some bugs to support more net managers, but no schedule to work on those any time soon [14:05] me [14:05] sry [14:05] zyga: ok, unofrtunately ppas make digging through build history hard :) [14:05] me [14:05] nessita, network manager is not started if all your interfaces are configured in /etc/network/interfaces [14:05] which ppa was this? [14:05] tumbleweed, let me check [14:05] zyga: yeah [14:06] zyga: not sure what good solution we can provide there [14:06] tumbleweed, deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/nightlies/ubuntu maverick main [14:06] zyga: networkmanager is started, it's just not used. does it work if you uninstall networkmanager? [14:06] dobey, let see [14:06] me [14:06] ah, sorry I did not have n-m installed [14:07] if u1cp doesn't work without nm installed, then it is a bug in u1cp [14:07] nessita, start! [14:07] dobey, then it's a bug I guess [14:07] DONE: day off. Last Friday I coded several branches for small style fixes to the control panel UI. [14:07] TODO: file storage API work [14:07] BLOCKED: nopes [14:07] NEXT: alecu [14:07] sorry, NEXT: mandel [14:08] DONE: IPC servercie & client on windows. [14:08] TODO: Ensure all tests pass, talk with claire about windows installer UI. Talke with ralsina about starting ubuntu sso UI on windows. [14:08] BLOCKED: no [14:08] LOVE: http://bit.ly/fBZawM [14:08] alecu, please [14:08] DONE: fought *a lot* with VirtualBox, and the xorg from alpha2 just won't work with 3d needed for unity. Installed alpha2 in the desktop, so now I'm maverick free. Finished a branch to add a config option to disable notifications (part I) that's up for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/aggregator-fixes/+merge/49806 [14:08] TODO: finish part 2, catch up with DroidCouch [14:08] BLOCKED: no [14:08] THISFRED: you [14:08] DONE: started on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-one-couch | tried more things to get Unity on nvidia working and failed [14:08] TODO: Bug #719039, Bug #719042, Bug #702183, Bug #702116, make UDF notifications aggregate [14:08] BLOCKED: unity/nvidia [14:08] HATE: binary drivers, and depending on stuff that isn't ready [14:08] Launchpad bug 719039 in ubuntu-one-couch "Fix ubuntuone-couch-query to work with current SSO code (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719039 [14:08] Launchpad bug 719042 in ubuntu-one-couch "Add tests and refactor out code to a library (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719042 [14:08] Launchpad bug 702183 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to open the control panel in the background and change the launcher icon to urgent when the user exceeds their quota (affects: 1) (heat: 120)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702183 [14:08] Launchpad bug 702116 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to show and update a progressbar in the Ubuntu One launcher for pending operations (affects: 1) (heat: 120)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702116 [14:08] ralsina! [14:08] DONE: lots of bug triaging, canonicaladmin, sprint planning (ask me!) [14:08] TODO: reviews, management stuff, sprint planning, triage another 6 tons of bugs, some coding (my days are all alike) [14:08] BLOCKED: no [14:09] λ DONE: bug 718806, updated servers for u1sync split, [14:09] λ TODO: banshee mustic store fixes, evaluate SRUs for maverick [14:09] λ BLCK: on-call for jury duty, server upgrade fail [14:09] Launchpad bug 718806 in tarmac "LP EDGE is no more (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718806 [14:09] alecu: you have unity working on virtualbox now, or not? [14:09] thisfred, not [14:09] comment time! [14:09] ah :( [14:09] same here [14:09] thisfred, I ended up with a full bare install on the desktop. [14:09] ralsina: computers hate me. [14:09] right. And that also doesn't work for me [14:10] ralsina: are you done with the sprint planning? [14:10] I wonder if a eee 701 is enough for unity. It'sthe only box I can do bare installs in [14:10] also, any spanish speaker should watch the link I added :P [14:10] mandel: it's advancing! [14:10] thisfred, oh, and the nVidia binary drivers won't work at all, so I ended up using the open source experimental (noveau), and it works just fine. [14:10] thisfred, I think I've got a nVidia 6600 something [14:11] alecu: really? nouveau did not yet work for me yesterday [14:11] ralsina: fell yourself asked about sprint planning [14:11] SPRINT NEWS: the new plan is 2 sprints [14:11] ralsina: i think that machine is poulsbo, so i doubt it [14:11] alecu: ah yeah, my hardware is probably older than that [14:11] dobey: no, it's pre-poulsbo. i815? 845? [14:11] thisfred, yeah, I'm pretty sure it depends on the hardware a lot... [14:11] ralsina: oh, then it might work, depends on how much GL support unity needs. the i815 isn't that great at it [14:12] dobey: it was enough for compiz a while ago. And even kwin 3d effects worked somewhat. [14:12] 2 sprints? Is that serious? [14:12] thisfred: or rather a split sprint not-in-parallel [14:12] ah ok [14:12] ralsina, how comes? [14:12] :) [14:12] One in BA with most of the team, focused on killing bugs pre-release [14:13] Another in London with Manuel, me, chipaca and UX help [14:13] alecu: i dont like u ;) [14:13] ralsina: yeah, a while ago. :) [14:13] The London sprint is about the windows port [14:13] hehe [14:13] oh, that makes sense. [14:13] dobey: a while as in "last november" :-) [14:13] dobey: of course it was using Arch, so who knows ;-) [14:14] ralsina, I don't think arch makes magical gl drivers [14:14] alecu: it's the other way around, They don't freaking touch xorg :-) [14:14] :-) [14:15] So, I am now starting the formal process to get the sprint(s) on the way, so everyone but mandel should schedule april 4th-8th as sprint time, and mandel should think about april 11th-15th [14:15] my old laptop has i815 i think, but i uninstalled unity and all that jazz and switched to metacity, because i don't like spending all my time in swap [14:15] ralsina: ack [14:15] dobey: I have 4GB of ram (and a 4GB SSD ;-) [14:15] zyga, ralsina: looks like you didn't do any cleanup after migrating from python-central to python-support [14:16] http://wiki.debian.org/Python/central2support [14:16] ralsina: you have 4GB of ram in an eee 701? [14:16] tumbleweed: could be! [14:16] ralsina: be sure to ping CardinalFang and vds (if they are coming to the sprint), since they may not paying attention to this [14:16] dobey: oh, no 2GB [14:16] nessita: sure [14:16] anyway, these days you should probably use dh_python2, which handles cleanup :) [14:16] my old laptop has 512M [14:16] which should be well more than enough to live on [14:16] nessita, thx, I was not paying attention [14:16] but alas [14:16] dobey: it came with 512MB. It now has 6hour battery, and a touchscreen. It's pimped to the limits :-) [14:16] tumbleweed, thanks for digging into this [14:17] ralsina: but no ticket buying yet, right? [14:17] zyga: that was a quick skim. I don't know *exactly* what you are seeing [14:17] dobey: see what tumbleweed said, we have been experiencing some hiccups on maverick nightlies because of that [14:17] ralsina: another 512M stick for my old laptop would be like $500+ [14:17] thisfred: not yet, I'll let you know [14:17] kthx [14:17] tumbleweed, but it could be this precisely, ralsina will look at this from their perspective [14:18] zyga: I will try at least. [14:18] i am pretty sure dh_python2 vs dh_pysupport have nothing to do with issues in nightlies [14:18] and dh_python2 is new, and not available on lucid/maverick afaik [14:18] dobey: I had a whole set of ubuntuone-client files in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages that shouldn't have been there. No idea why, though. [14:19] correct, not in lucid [14:19] ralsina: you did a ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr && make install probably [14:19] /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages is either created by install or pycentral. python-support uses pymodules [14:19] dobey: yes I did. Oops. [14:20] damn nautilus testing :-) [14:20] zyga's was really something else. [14:20] ralsina: make -C nautilus install-extensionLTLIBRARIES [14:20] dobey: didn't work because of libubuntuone [14:21] libsyncdaemon, sorry [14:21] well [14:21] So, I have the date, but what city? [14:21] make -C libsyncdaemon install-libLTLIBRARIES [14:21] CardinalFang: BA [14:21] CardinalFang: BA [14:22] dobey: it's a VM, I should just throw them away every day ;-) [14:22] also that [14:22] http://tinysong.com/jrbi [14:22] so what was zyga's problem? [14:22] One important thing: dobey, lucid nightlies are broken [14:23] because python-couchdb is not available, IIUC [14:23] please define broken [14:23] yes it is [14:23] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies/+files/python-couchdb_0.8-0ubuntu1%7Elucid1_all.deb [14:23] dobey, ask chad and vds, they are saying it on #desktop+ [14:24] Also, the rythmbox plugin is completely broken on natty because of plugin API changes. I will be taking a look myself today. === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [14:24] dobey, I'll tell you in 30 minj [14:24] anything else? anyone? anyone? bueller? [14:25] life is broken [14:25] Oh, please, quick report in private by everyone, because I have team leads today! [14:26] the only remaining uninstalled motherboard/cpu combo i have that i know works, is the one i have that doesn't have on-board video, and i don't have any PCI or PCIx video cards lying around :( [14:27] ralsina: the working example is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/567329/ [14:27] nessita: cool! [14:27] nessita: the bad news is that means I have no idea why it's broken on nautilus+libsyncdaemon [14:27] ralsina: is nautilus waiting for the signals? [14:28] ralsina: I changed your script considerably, please check that nautilus is doing the proper stuff [14:29] nessita: nautilus calls libsyncdaemon and sets a callback [14:29] So maybe that's the problem, that it's trying to use a callback instead of a signal [14:29] ralsina: libsyncdaemon should be waiting for the proper signal, you should check that [14:29] nessita: will check [14:49] dobey: https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-client/fix_712674_on_1.4 is not landing. Is something broken? [14:49] In the branch, I mean ;-) [14:50] my server is broken [14:50] dobey: well, that explains it. Good luck with that [14:51] yeah, best buy opens in ~10 min, so i'm about to head up there to see if i can get some parts or just buy another machine to use as a server [14:55] dobey: why don't we use this to ask for canonical server to run tarmac? [14:55] dobey: it's unfair to you that you have to manage that on your own hardware [14:55] because either way i still need to fix my server for other reasons [14:55] dobey: sure you have to, but it's just weird :-) [14:57] well i don't want to have to run tarmac on my machines either, so yes, i would love to get it moved to a magical VM thing. but right this second my network is in utter despair [14:57] i had to ifconfig/route add to get my workstation back on, because i have no dhcp/etc at the moment. and i can't even connect via wifi if i need to use my laptop for something :) [14:58] dobey: like the good old times :-) [14:58] and we really need to come up with a good plan forhaving the magical VM stuff, because just having losoas control everything will be horrible pain for us and them both [14:58] dobey: ok, I'll ask in team leads who I need to bug to move tarmac to official hardware [14:58] and that without l*sas [15:00]