[00:08] <zlatan> hi to all...my ubuntu 11.04 can't to connect to internet(but it is trying)...when it type iwconfig it says for wlan0:
[00:08] <zlatan> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=20 dBm  Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:offEncryption key:offPower Management:off
[00:09] <zlatan> any clue what is going on and how to connect :)
[00:26] <zlatan> ??
[01:40] <hv> is it true that you can no longer have two or more cities in the date/time indicator applet?
[01:40] <hv> or I am missing something?
[01:51] <coz_> hv,   I am not s ure on natty
[01:54] <rmcbride> the original tz behavior should wind up back in the time indicator by release. It is not there now however.
[01:54] <rmcbride> I believe it's being redesigned
[03:26] <yellowblue> !ops im a true gangsta
[03:27] <yellowblue> !ops
[03:43] <hv> coz_: thanks (though you have quit the channel)
[03:43] <hv> rmcbride: I see, thanks.
[04:15] <rmcbride> no problem, hv. I noticed it too. I use the multi timezone thing a lot
[04:36] <dw1> hello - looking for some Windows 7 Ubuntu 10.4 dual boot install advice. Anyone here can help?
[04:37] <dw1> Windows 7 is already installed. I want to "install them side by side" without changing the size of any existing partitions, so I am torn between "install them side by side......" and "use the largest continuous free space"
[04:37] <dw1> I want to do exactly both of these things, but I am asked to choose between them (or go manual).
[04:38] <dw1> Which is preferred?
[04:40] <cozziemoto> dw1,  I would go with  install side by side
[04:40] <cozziemoto> dw1,  you should then be givine a slider to resize partition if you like for ubuntu
[04:41] <cozziemoto> "given"
[04:41] <Volkodav> go manual and do partitions as you like
[04:42] <dw1> cozziemoto: OK, Thanks, advice noted
[04:42] <cozziemoto> I am noticing that wacom tablet cursor is jittery  almost to the point of trails
[04:43] <cozziemoto> who is implimenting the wacom drivers into natty?
[04:50] <dw1> Volkodav: CAn you give me a little coaching on the manual option?
[04:50] <dw1> Volkodav: I have already 3 primary partitions. I don't want them touched at all
[04:51] <dw1> Volkodav: Two are for Windows 7 OS. The third is for my dta files
[04:51] <dw1> Volkodav: So I want Ubuntu to manage with 1 extended partion and however many logical partitions in there it needs
[04:51] <dw1> Volkodav: Does that sound OK to you?
[04:54] <coz_>    dw1   did you read here?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition
[04:55] <dw1> coz_: thanks. I'll take a look
[04:56] <dw1> coz_: I really need an option that says "Install them side by side, choosing between them each at startup AND for this purpose use the largest continuous free space
[04:56] <dw1> coz_:  That would be perfect
[04:56] <coz_> cool
[04:56] <coz_> mm
[04:56] <dw1> coz_:  I I want to select two of four radio buttons, but it will only let me select one
[04:56] <coz_> dw1,  generally it installs side by side anyway
[04:56] <coz_> mm
[04:57] <dw1> coz_:  So perhaps doing it manually is the way to go
[04:57] <dw1> coz_:  Ah!!. Your last comment about side by side anyway is reassuring
[04:57] <coz_> dw1,   ok  is that link explaining manual partitioning
[04:58] <coz_> dw1,  when it gets to the partition manager.. a slider should be available for moving the partiion size around
[04:59] <coz_> dw1,  it is by far the easiest way...however ...again... if you want manual paritioning go for it...
[04:59] <coz_> I have to break here  ,,, be back in a few
[04:59] <dw1> coz_: Thanks v much for your time
[06:01] <victory> I just upgraded to natty, and it seems the "Classic" desktop and the "Ubuntu" desktop are both running the same Gnome panels. Where is the new Unity interface?
[06:35] <sidnei> victory, you'll only see Unity if your hardware supports it. i think that means ATI graphics at the moment. i heard there'll be a fallback unity 2d that works for all graphic drivers before final.
[06:53] <victory> sidnei, Thanks. I just figured that out. I have nvidia - was trying nouveau, but although compiz works in classic desktop, I get no window decorations in the normal/unity desktop
[06:54] <victory> the 2d is in the repos, but does it work?
[07:14] <sidnei> dunno. i know there's a ppa with it, which suggests that the repos aren't the latest
[07:14] <sidnei> theres more info on omg ubuntu
[08:36] <alkisg> Trying to upgrade natty, I get "dpkg-vendor: not found" by the mount package
[08:36] <alkisg> Should I install dpkg-dev to workaround it?
[08:39] <alkisg> OK symlinking /bin/true to /usr/bin/dpkg-vendor allowed the mount package to be upgraded.
[10:49] <bazhang> bug #1
[10:49] <kcj> Ah. LOL. Fail on my part.
[11:05] <om26er> the problem in the ISO; icon theme problem, is solved if you reinstall librsvg2-common and relogin. should I report a bug?
[12:40] <hedin> Hi, I just hit what looks like a bug.... in evolution+mapi... here is the console output from evolution. http://paste.ubuntu.com/567636/
[13:52] <SupeR_NovA> help me now run ubuntu 11.04 nvidia driver Vmware ?
[13:54] <penguin42> my understanding is that the nvidia driver isn't available for 11.04 yet - but what does that have to do with vmware?
[13:57] <rumpe1> me have nvidia driver ⊙_ʘ
[13:58] <rumpe1> but of course not in vm
[13:59] <yofel> rumpe1: not available for current X
[14:00] <rumpe1> yofel, ? ... and what do i have then?
[14:00] <rumpe1> i can use Nvidia X Server settings... thought this would be the nvidia driver
[14:00] <yofel> I don't know, check the version of xserver-xorg-core, if you have the nvidia driver installed it probably kept new X back
[14:01] <rumpe1> ah... could be
[14:01] <yofel> even the newest beta driver from nvidia segfaults with x-server 1.10
[14:02] <rumpe1> have v1:7.5+6ubuntu6
[14:02] <rumpe1> well ... ok then
[14:03] <yofel> that's xorg, and the old one
[14:03] <yofel> current xorg is 1:7.6~3ubuntu4 and xserver 2:1.9.99.901+git20110131.be3be758-0ubuntu4
[14:03] <rumpe1> and i wondered why to many packages were kept back :>
[14:03] <yofel> I'm currently using old X with nvidia too, as nouveau isn't really usable here :S
[14:04] <rumpe1> although network-manager is buggy, i'm still impressed with it's overall stability
[14:05] <yofel> agreed, I'm on kde though
[14:05] <SupeR_NovA> penguin42, I installed it under vmware and ask if I can install the drivers but it was not something to help
[14:06] <penguin42> SupeR_NovA: NVidia install in vmware won't help you; there is a vmware driver
[14:10] <SupeR_NovA> penguin42,  okey but is there a way to let third-unity to his happy the new
[14:10] <penguin42> sorry, I don't understand that question
[14:29] <zlatan> hi...there isn't skype or opera in my natty repos...how do I add them
[14:34] <charlie-tca> zlatan: enable the canonical partner repository
[14:36] <zlatan> charlie-tca, it says: ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the
[14:36] <zlatan> ## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users.
[14:36] <zlatan> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu natty partner
[14:36] <zlatan> # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu natty partner
[14:36] <charlie-tca> and it includes skype in natty
[14:36] <zlatan> so I believe it is enabled but there actually isn't any packages in partner part of repo
[14:36] <charlie-tca> !info skype
[14:37] <charlie-tca> your right, zlatan
[14:37] <charlie-tca> apparently doesn't get there yet
[14:37] <charlie-tca> !info skype maverick
[14:37] <charlie-tca> I can't win with this bot
[14:37] <charlie-tca> skype was in partner for lucid and maverick
[14:39] <charlie-tca> maybe we don't get to have it until it closer to release.
[17:02] <Pretto> unity is not working after system upgrade. what can i do?
[17:04] <patdk-wk> not sure, I guess you could reinstall
[17:07] <Pretto> patdk-wk: here is something that may help if someone wants to help http://pastebin.com/2KX4rxY4
[17:52] <espen77> my natty launcher is showing the disks for my lucid system, any way to remove them?
[18:44] <Pretto> does unity runs with nvidia?
[18:45] <yofel> yes, but there is no nvidia driver for current X server 1.10 - nouveau has 3D support for some cards though
[18:46] <Pretto> yofel: it seems that it's not working here
[19:18] <coz_> ooo bug in valac
[21:32] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:32] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[21:33] <Omega> How do you restart unity?
[21:33] <Omega> I'm having stacking issues
[21:33] <BUGabundo> you press the power button on the PC
[21:33] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:33] <Omega> (it doesn't autohide)
[21:33] <ginnn> hi
[21:33] <charlie-tca> logout/login?
[21:33] <Omega> BUGabundo: If you don't have a useful answer, don't say anything.
[21:34] <ginnn> any one here using 11.04 alpha 2?
[21:34] <charlie-tca> isn't autohide broken again?
[21:34] <Omega> I'm using intellihide
[21:35] <BUGabundo> uuhhhh Omega is sensible :P
[21:35] <BUGabundo> relax and have fun
[21:35] <BUGabundo> if it aint working. it brokne
[21:35] <charlie-tca> +1
[21:35] <Omega> BUGabundo: You're not helping.
[21:35] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:35] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:35] <BUGabundo> no help from me then :P
[21:36] <Omega> This is a support channel, not a relaxing channel.
[21:37] <BUGabundo> aahh
[21:37] <charlie-tca> guess I will go back to relaxing, myself
[21:37] <BUGabundo> you have been here for so long, haven't you ?
[21:37] <charlie-tca> support is hard work
[21:37] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: [[]]
[21:39] <Omega> It's a shame two MOTU (that know eachother) would behave like this.
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Um, I don't qualify for that. I am not a MOTU, developer, or programmer. I am simply another user here
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Perhaps you think this a developers channel? Most of us are simple users that run the latest stuff to help test it.
[21:41] <BUGabundo> +1
[21:41] <BUGabundo> I'm just an Ubuntu Member
[21:41] <BUGabundo> don't even Code a line :P
[21:42] <Omega> Yes, meaning you've signed the COC.
[21:42] <BUGabundo> but do help other users, report bugs, take care of documentation and promote FLOSS
[21:42] <BUGabundo> COC doesn't make anyone MOTU
[21:42] <BUGabundo> gives them them the title of Ubuntero/Ubuntista
[21:42] <penguin42> Omega: Take it easy; no one here is a professional support guy; people do it to try and move stuff forward - so take it easy
[21:43] <BUGabundo> penguin42: from my POV
[21:43] <BUGabundo> telling someone to be calm, tends to irritate them
[21:44] <penguin42> BUGabundo: True :-)
[21:45] <Omega> If he was honestly trying to be helpfull I wouldn't have made it such a big deal.
[21:45] <BUGabundo> if you ask nicely and clearly what you want
[21:45] <IdleOne> I can see where Omega is coming from, they are having an issue and it is frustrating, the answer they got were not helpful but were also not violations of the COC. All that said NOBODY owes you anything here. we help when we can and if we feel like it. attitudes should reflect that.
[21:45] <BUGabundo> and don't be so aggressive to users that spend their day helping others, you might get a bit more help
[21:46] <BUGabundo> we are all here for fun and community help
[21:46] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: I've , as all of us, have been hit by ooohhhh so many frustrating bugs....
[21:47] <IdleOne> indeed
[21:47] <BUGabundo> I've been running devel since 6.06
[21:47] <glenn> trying to boot to natty alpha 2 on a macbook and all i get is black screen
[21:47] <IdleOne> So anyway, back to support :)
[21:47] <Omega> glenn: Did it work before?
[21:48] <Omega> BUGabundo: Did I not ask clearly and nicely? Was I being aggressive?
[21:48] <glenn> no this is first time trying with this disk, i don't it likes my nvidia video card, do u know the boot parameter for vesa
[21:49] <glenn> or is there a "rescue mode" option?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> Omega: ok, /clear
[21:49] <BUGabundo> what can we help you with?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> GPU? 32bit or 64?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> upgrade or clean isntall?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> fully updated or milestone?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> which driver? which WM?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> enough for you ?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> I guess I scared him
[21:53] <BUGabundo> oh well
[21:56] <Omega> Why do you need to know _any_ of the things you asked me to answer my question?
[21:56] <Omega> Stop wasting my time, really. If you don't know the answer, don't respond, don't tell me to reboot.
[21:58] <BUGabundo> you need a sense of humor
[22:00] <IdleOne> OK lets start over.
[22:00] <Omega> Again, this is not the place for humor.
[22:00] <IdleOne> Omega: can you please restate your question
[22:01] <Omega> How do you restart unity? I'm having stacking issues.
[22:01] <IdleOne> log out and log back in
[22:01] <vish> Omega:  "unity --restart"
[22:01] <IdleOne> also I think the command unity --reset
[22:01] <Omega> Thank you vish.
[22:01] <IdleOne> or --restart
[22:02] <vish> hmmm.. maybe IdleOne is right :D
[22:02]  * vish hides..
[22:02] <vish> iirc, the reset on was to reset to the default options..
[22:02] <IdleOne> Now that we got that sorted. Please keep in mind that you will get more flies with honey...not sure you would want more flies.
[22:02] <IdleOne> :)
[22:03] <vish> yummy :p
[22:06] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, are you a motu now?
[22:06] <BUGabundo> heck no
[22:06] <penguin42> BUGabundo: He's a BOTU, not got the mastership yet
[22:06] <BUGabundo> can you imagine the amount of stuff I *could* break? :P
[22:06] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahahaha
[22:06] <bjsnider> he called you a motu
[22:06] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:06] <bjsnider> it's clearly a conspiracy
[22:06] <BUGabundo> he tough *everyone* here was
[22:06] <BUGabundo> or at least by the cloak
[22:07] <penguin42> meddlers of the universe
[22:07] <bjsnider> oh, maybe he meant you're an ubuntu member
[22:07] <BUGabundo> I guess
[22:07] <BUGabundo> !membership
[22:07] <IdleOne> How did you get membership?
[22:07] <IdleOne> they accept anybody
[22:07] <IdleOne> :P
[22:07] <bjsnider> bribery plain and simple
[22:08] <BUGabundo> I went for an Inquisition
[22:08] <BUGabundo> plus some past probs caused me a bit of trouble
[22:09] <BUGabundo> then again, my past 20k karma at LP helped too
[22:09]  * BUGabundo misses 20k
[22:09] <vish> BUGabundo actually cheated to get that 20k from what i hear
[22:09] <vish> ;)
[22:09] <BUGabundo> LIES
[22:09] <BUGabundo> I used to work more then the darn ubottu
[22:10] <vish> the plot thickens ;)
[22:10] <BUGabundo> kept up to date on pretty much any bug on +1
[22:10] <BUGabundo> and all MLs
[22:10] <BUGabundo> can't keep up with that this days
[22:10] <BUGabundo> most of my effors are now directed to android and CM
[22:10] <hggdh> heh. welcome to the group
[22:10] <BUGabundo> and our local android forum
[22:10] <BUGabundo> hheeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy hggdh
[22:11] <BUGabundo> missed you buddy
[22:11] <hggdh> BUGabundo: pois ca estou :-)
[22:11] <hv> oh god! appmenu indicator leaks like crazy. used 1.6G mem!
[22:11] <vish> BUGabundo: hggdh has been happily lost in the world of ubuntu-users mailing list ;p
[22:11] <BUGabundo> how's the job at canonical?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> still rolling ?
[22:11]  * vish hides..
[22:11] <hggdh> vish: I left the ML :-)
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I haven't been in -users in years
[22:11] <BUGabundo> lucklly
[22:11] <hggdh> BUGabundo: life goes good
[22:12] <vish> hggdh: finally!! good for you :)
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I left ALL MLs when I got a SSD
[22:12] <BUGabundo> over 80GBs of email dumped lol
[22:12] <penguin42> weird; my chromium is locked up (100% cpu) as is wicd-client, exaile and quicksynergy
[22:12] <bjsnider> exaile? ugh
[22:13] <BUGabundo> penguin42: shitf + esc
[22:13] <penguin42> bjsnider: I bounce between exaile and amarok at the moment, my amarok stopped working and I haven't figured out why
[22:13] <bjsnider> the guys who develop exaile should go and fix amarok
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[22:14] <bjsnider> instead, we have lots of programming resources and each one is developing his own media player
[22:14] <bjsnider> do we need 647 media players?
[22:14] <vish> penguin42: i thought you were a gnome user..hmm..
[22:15] <BUGabundo> MOCP ftw
[22:15] <vish> or maybe i'm confusing with someone else :)
[22:15] <penguin42> vish: <---- is running gnome ----> is running KDE    although they both used to be Gnome but with Unity I thought I'd try KDE again and have stuck with it for a few weeks
[22:15] <vish> ha!
[22:15] <hggdh> penguin42: how KDE behaving?
[22:16] <penguin42> hggdh: Not too bad, I've got a fix submitted for one bug that was annoying me (can't mount luks partitions) but at the moment natty is being flaky for me in both gnome and kde
[22:16]  * hggdh will keep with the known evil, then
[22:17] <penguin42> pidgin on here is being flaky I think with libdbusmenu, and the open radeon drivers on the kde box are getting flaky
[22:18] <hggdh> penguin42: weechat (at least the dev version) runs nicely here
[22:19] <hggdh> (but no dbus interface)
[22:20] <penguin42> hggdh: I don't think it's pidgin's fault from the last crash I got - I think it's libdbusmenu, but now I've got all the debug packages installed it hasn't crashed again yet
[22:20] <hggdh> of course
[22:20] <hggdh> now it knows you will be able to zero in the crash ;-)
[22:21] <penguin42> yeh
[22:21] <penguin42> the radeon crashes are annoying me though - I think it was Sunday when I just had loads of different crashes
[22:22] <hggdh> this is actually something I am getting worried on, I cannot check on UNity right now -- no nvidia drivers
[22:22] <hggdh> so it's nouveau and the known issues, with the classic desktop
[22:22] <penguin42> hggdh: I tried unity for a while, it was flaky as hell and I didn't like it, so this machine is just running classic
[22:23] <bjsnider> nvidia released a new blob a couple days ago that added almost nothing to the previous one, an annoying move by them
[22:23] <hggdh> penguin42: unless you have an Intel card, this is pretty much what works right now -- classic on X 1.10
[22:23] <penguin42> bjsnider: I wish I could say welcome to closed source drivers, but unfortunately the open Radeon driver isn't helping me much
[22:24] <penguin42> bjsnider: Yeh this box running gnome is i945gm
[22:24] <bjsnider> nvidia is hiring more developers and may be shifting their linux strategy in some way
[22:24] <hggdh> BTW, grapevine says Dell is buying AMD
[22:25] <penguin42> yeh heard that, could be fun to watch
[22:30] <bjsnider> why the hell would dell want amd
[22:30] <bjsnider> dell has been paid for years by intel to use their chips
[22:31] <penguin42> Dell often used Radeons
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Nothing but Radeon a couple of years
[22:46] <Pretto> will natty will be ready to run on laptops with nvidia till april?
[22:47] <penguin42> Pretto: It'll probably be a little bit before release
[22:47] <penguin42> Pretto: It happens pretty much in every release that the closed drivers take a while to catch up
[22:48] <Pretto> penguin42: hehehe i hope so, i was trying it today but had no luck with nvidia drivers
[22:48] <Pretto> penguin42: when you install it the xorg is removed
[22:49] <penguin42> Pretto: I think that's because it conflicts with the version of the X server
[22:51] <Pretto> penguin42: maybe, i hope that it doesnt happen after release, it causes the system to be unusable to an end user
[22:51] <penguin42> Pretto: It normally gets sorted out
[22:51] <Pretto> penguin42: let's wait :)