[00:05] charlie-tca, : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/719705 [00:05] Ubuntu bug 719705 in wine "Error: TactileView can not open" [Undecided,New] [00:06] thanks, I will add a comment that I reproduced it [00:06] ok [00:06] (-: [00:08] My English is not good, I hope that I have wroten good explain what about problem I have with Wine, charlie-tca [00:08] It will be fine. I work with a lot of reports that are not in good english [00:08] Cool (-: [00:09] * charlie-tca does about 300 bug reports a month [00:10] Last week age I am beginning with bug reports , UndiFineD had explained me how can I write with a bugs (-: charlie-tca [00:11] You are going to do fine [00:12] erkan^ :) [00:12] your giving me too much credit [00:14] I have to take a break now [00:14] what about credit ? [02:36] Pendulum: Did you get my email? [02:44] TheMuso: yeah. I only saw some proofreading type changes. Otherwise it looked good. [02:44] DO you want me to publish it? [02:44] Pendulum: Yes, thats why I sent to you. [02:44] sent it to you. [02:44] great :) [02:45] feel free to make sed changes. [02:45] I have my hands full with actually labeling the indicators atm. :) [02:45] heh [02:45] have fun with that :P [02:45] Good news though, all the system indicators are labeled, and have branches ready to go. [02:45] Now starting to tackle application indicators... [02:45] Like network-manager. [03:23] TheMuso: is this something i could help with? [03:24] TheMuso: it doesnt sound like something requiring in-depth knowledge of the codebase... [03:24] maco2: You could indeed, however it requires my changes to libappindicator to be merged, which they are not yet. [03:25] * TheMuso is going to do his best to cover everything in main. [03:25] But if you would like to have a look anyway, you can pull lp:~themuso/libappindicator/a11y-desc to see the API additions I have made. [03:26] Python and mono bindings also have these additions. [03:29] ok. i'll try to get my vm-capable laptop online this weekend and get a natty vm going [03:31] I thinhk such work could be considered as a bug fix, and new functionality, but not sure how the release team would judge that, I might run that by them. [03:32] and not new functionality. === Cheri703_ is now known as Cheri703 === Cheri703_ is now known as Cheri703 === leoquant is now known as evilleoquant === JackyAlcine is now known as evilJackyAlcine === evilleoquant is now known as leoquant === evilJackyAlcine is now known as JackyAlcine === API is now known as Guest90094 [15:30] erkan^, je bent ook van harte in mwanzo hoor...:) === Guest90094 is now known as apinheiro === UndiFineD is now known as Guest83459 [18:25] leoquant, over drie weken tog? [18:26] de lessen ja [18:26] maar je/u mag gerust mwanzo op irc joinen [18:26] als je dat wil he.... [18:26] je bent immers teamlid nu [18:27] leoquant: can you keep it in english here please as some people may be following with a screen reader [18:28] nu ben ik daar (-: [18:28] indeed and sorry AlanBell and others [18:28] you are right, AlanBell (-: [18:29] I have seen a email that the meeting begin at 21.00 o'clock? Is 21.00 o'clock European or American time ? [18:30] UTC [18:30] 21:00 is in 2 1/2 hours from now [18:30] @now [18:30] AlanBell: Error: "now" is not a valid command. [18:31] ah, ubottu can respond to @now and tell the time in UTC [18:31] @schedule [18:31] leoquant: Error: "schedule" is not a valid command. [18:35] @time [18:35] erkan^: Error: "time" is not a valid command. [18:35] @tijd [18:35] erkan^: Error: "tijd" is not a valid command. [18:35] @utc [18:35] erkan^: Error: "utc" is not a valid command. [18:35] @UT [18:35] erkan^: Error: "UT" is not a valid command. [18:35] @UTC [18:35] erkan^: Error: "UTC" is not a valid command. [18:35] sorry for floods S [18:40] o.O lol [18:49] heh, only ubottu does that, meetingology just responds to anything with @ [20:51] meeting in 10 minutes :) [20:52] ohh, i go make a coffee (-: [20:55] Really? [20:55] Now in 5. where's the agenda? o.O [20:55] in the /topic [20:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda [20:56] yeah, even though the meeting has the wrong date in the /topic [20:56] (but it's right everywhere else) [20:56] hai all [20:57] is this the jonoful meeting? [20:57] or a regular one? [20:57] * charlie-tca made it, apparently [20:57] regular [20:57] haven't set up the jono one yet [20:57] I'm poking him about it on our call tomorrow [20:58] i hope i will stay here now.i was not able to come on chat in morning.its evening here now [21:00] right it's time [21:00] #startmeeting [21:00] Meeting started Wed Feb 16 21:00:44 2011 UTC. The chair is Pendulum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell. [21:00] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [21:01] agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda [21:02] #topic Testing for Natty [21:02] TOPIC: Testing for Natty [21:02] charlie-tca: can you give us an update on testing for Natty and links to where people can get information on how to test, etc? [21:02] o/ [21:02] sure [21:03] We have Natty Alpha3 coming in two weeks and need people to be testing the images [21:03] 'lo [21:04] If you have a virtual machine or a spare partition, you can download the images from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ and test them [21:04] Aside from usual bugs and discrepancies, what are we looking for? [21:04] I will be posting the test case this weekend for a screen-reader installation, and will let everyone know where it is. [21:05] any bugs [21:05] i have tested xubuntu en ubuntu(gnome) via vm ware: was never able to send "crash" faillure reports [21:05] We want to know that it will install, that you can use what is already there, and that you do not have to jump through loops to make it work [21:05] it errors [21:05] That too is a bug [21:06] indeed [21:06] You can report those issues directly to launchpad using ubuntu-bug ubiquity in a terminal [21:07] Hai everyone [21:07] thx charlie-tca [21:07] hi MrChrisDruif (-: [21:07] The shortcut keys are listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/KeyboardShortcuts [21:07] hai MrChrisDruif :) [21:07] Please update this as you discover more [21:07] Okay, any other questions? [21:07] charlie-tca: Don't the devs give us the shortcut keys? [21:08] MrChrisDruif: we wish :-/ [21:08] We do not want every person to have to go and ask someone what they are [21:08] That is working ass backwards <_<" [21:09] The ones in the wiki are what we have been given so far [21:09] MrChrisDruif: I think most of the list we've gotten from jcastro who has gotten them from the developers. [21:09] That's a bit odd. [21:10] cant we ask then for to give the shortcut keys? [21:10] the answer is yes, the devs do give us shortcut keys, and we add them to the list [21:10] It is a brand new interface, not all the shorcuts have even been defined [21:10] they are not all written yet [21:10] a ok [21:10] so someone here may notice them before we get the next list [21:11] also, I'll be posting a blog post by TheMuso today which I think has a little more info about shortcut keys in terms of the indicator panel :) [21:11] We have already one that was on the list, since it was taken out [21:11] s/one/removed one [21:12] I know F10 to get to the panel is coming. [21:12] TheMuso: Check the list, it's on there [21:12] I know. [21:13] That's all from me [21:13] Anyone else have any questions about testing? [21:14] Pendulum: None so far [21:14] charlie-tca: could you notice the testing channel when the isos are up ? [21:14] as in #ubuntu-testing? [21:14] yes [21:15] yes, they are usually announced there, but only during the actual ISO testing. [21:15] It would be good to start testing these every day or two, if we can [21:15] I actually meant a /notice :) [21:16] * leoquant is doing something wrong via regular updates? [21:16] the ISO's are created daily, with big changed to Unity on Thursday or so [21:16] leoquant: no [21:16] do we test iso's? [21:16] yes, before each release [21:16] okthat was/is new for me [21:17] For example, before alpha2, I tested 32 images between tuesday and wednesday [21:17] Yeah, you'd want a working iso, right? [21:17] I understand the italian loco team are particularly hot on iso testing [21:17] this week I have tested 48 or so for Lucid 10.04.2 which comes out tomorrow [21:18] however, we only catch a few bugs during those testing days [21:19] We will find the majority of the issues by testing every day or two, or by using natty [21:19] we could do some iso testing via our LoCo to...i will remember that [21:19] charlie-tca: do you consider alpha 3 stable enough for daily use ? [21:20] leoquant: You could even make them mad enough to join the ugj ;) [21:20] Not on your production machine, no [21:20] The hardware video drivers are not working with Xserver 1.10, so most will not have 3d yet [21:21] If you need your computer to work with, natty is unstable [21:23] charlie-tca: for a separate partition as well? [21:23] It is fine to run in a separate partition, with backups of important data [21:23] MrChrisDruif, thats great [21:23] There will be days when it will be completely unusable, though [21:25] X updates are mostly killing [21:26] I run natty on my computer, with complete backups of everything, so I can get to an email or a document in lucid if I need it. [21:26] (imo) X is key, and major updates stop after the beta release [21:27] agreed, normally at the beta release, it becomes pretty stable for everyone [21:27] charlie-tca: in lucid, alright :) [21:28] but if we can tell the developers, screen-reader install worked yesterday, and today it will not even start, we have a good chance they can find what broke quickly [21:28] Indeed [21:28] If we tell them it worked last month, it is going to take a lot longer to get it fixed [21:29] everyone: no further questions? [21:30] None from me. [21:31] okay, great [21:31] thanks CHarlie :) [21:31] You are welcome [21:31] interest is great! [21:31] #topic Blog Volunteers for the next month [21:31] TOPIC: Blog Volunteers for the next month [21:32] so we had a semi-successful first month of blogging :) [21:32] * charlie-tca hides now [21:33] and now I'd like to schedule in people to blog for each week (starting next week) until our next meeting (which will be the 16th of next month) [21:33] so do I have 4 volunteers (with or without topics)? [21:33] if you think it will helpfull i will write a blog if i get some help with writing Pendulum [21:33] hajour: if you'd like, I'm happy to help. Do you have a topic in mind? [21:34] typing ... :) [21:35] maybe about speechcontrol hoe it begon and why speechcontrol started [21:35] hoe=how [21:35] sounds good [21:35] i don't think it will usefull to put a poem in :P XD [21:36] hajour: do you want to write it for next week or would you like a little more time? [21:36] a little more time if it is possible [21:37] hajour: how about the week of March 9 (3 weeks from now)? [21:37] yes that's fine for me.but if you need earlier i will do it [21:38] hajour: nope, that's fine [21:38] ok :) [21:38] #action hajour to blog about speechcontrol for week of March 9, 2011 [21:38] ACTION: hajour to blog about speechcontrol for week of March 9, 2011 [21:38] other blogging volunteers? [21:39] Ah, I would like to, but to be on the Planet, I'll need to work on it intently. =/ And have time. [21:39] there are a few new here pendule [21:40] it must be ontopic? [21:40] leoquant: it has to be accessibility related [21:40] maybe it has to be more clear what the blog is about Pendulum [21:40] the blog is the blog for the Ubuntu Accessibility Team [21:40] yeah Pendulum but its a small corner [21:41] I intend to get the next persona published [21:41] about the only guideline for posts is that it relate to accessibility in Ubuntu in some way [21:41] Pendulum, we could put a link in speechcontrol wiki from the accessibility blog s [21:42] so far we've had posts about personas, general team info, the indicator buttons, and ones in progress about why accessibility is important (and hopefully one in progress of being written about testing ;) ) [21:42] a great AlanBell [21:43] but accessibility blogs becomes often so extr. personal/private almost.... [21:44] * charlie-tca peeks out at Pendulum [21:44] but that is its value? [21:44] this is the team blog rather than a personal blog [21:44] the reason behind having a blog for the team is to increase visibility of the project within the wider community. It's syndicated on planet.ubuntu.com [21:44] and based on where the trackbacks were I think has been picked up by some other public aggregators [21:45] it does mean that anyone can write an article, without being an Ubuntu Member and it can be on the planet and other places [21:45] (certainly we got trackbacks from a couple websites about visual impairment and computing) [21:47] if we don't have any other volunteers then I'll post an e-mail to the list [21:47] any other volunteers? [21:47] maco2: do you want to write about gally? [21:47] I hope to get that article done, but not before next week. I need to get the test case out first. [21:47] charlie-tca: that's fine. do you want me to schedule you in for 2 weeks from now? [21:47] how about to have some trackbacks to from websites about deaf and memory and computing Pendulum [21:48] (I can't poke you that week itself, but I can poke you about it next week) [21:48] no, put in next week or 4 weeks out [21:48] and others [21:48] Pendulum: I might surprise you, but I don't want to be tied to it :) [21:48] hajour: we haven't had any yet, but that's not something I have control over. [21:48] two weeks is alpha3, I will be testing again all week [21:48] hajour: trackbacks are notes that another site has linked back to us [21:48] charlie-tca: okay, so next week then? [21:48] okay [21:48] Pendulum: it's inaccessible :P [21:48] sounds good [21:48] maco2: point taken :) [21:48] a mail to other site s ore they want to have a trackback? [21:49] *make [21:49] it can be helpful [21:49] #action charlie-tca to write about testing for week of March 2 [21:49] ACTION: charlie-tca to write about testing for week of March 2 [21:49] Pendulum: the saving grace is that you need to be sighted to use what youd learn from it anyway [21:49] That's not next week [21:49] bah [21:49] so there's the excuse for it being in a toolkit that's no good for those who aren't sighted ;-) [21:50] AlanBell: is there a way to cancel an action? [21:50] the minutes go in the wiki and can be edited there [21:50] Next week is good, i can put the test case link in it too [21:50] #action charlie-tca to write about testing for week of February 23 [21:50] ACTION: charlie-tca to write about testing for week of February 23 [21:51] yup, that's it [21:51] AlanBell or phillw, would either of you be willing to write about web accessibility for the week of March 2? [21:52] what you mean by that maco2 ? :) [21:52] well I want to prioritise the persona post [21:52] AlanBell: okay. would that work for March 2? [21:52] (or that week) [21:52] yes [21:52] great :) [21:53] #action AlanBell to post another personas update week of March 2, 2011 [21:53] ACTION: AlanBell to post another personas update week of March 2, 2011 [21:53] hajour: it's a program to teach sign language. sign language is visual, so the fact that it's written in qt and screen-readers can't handle it doesn't matter so much since if you're blind, you're probably not able to see someone signing to you [21:53] okay, anyone for the week of March 16? [21:53] a ok maco2 hehe [21:53] I could write something about unity, and how it differs from traditional GNOME. [21:54] TheMuso: that would be wonderful! [21:54] I also plan to create an audio/video about how to get around in unity with orca. [21:54] my apologies, I was in PM with a padawan [21:54] (especially as people ask me about the Unity stuff) [21:54] #action TheMuso to write about Unity in comparison with Gnome for week of March 16, 2011 [21:54] ACTION: TheMuso to write about Unity in comparison with Gnome for week of March 16, 2011 [21:55] great TheMuso [21:55] phillw: that's okay, we ended up with enough blogging volunteers :) [21:55] And yeah as I said, I plan to do a multimedia presentation about unity and orca. [21:55] TheMuso: guess I know what you can blog about in April, then? ;) [21:55] You could say that. :) it would be an introduction to my presentation. [21:56] okay, moving on since we have volunteers for the next month [21:56] #topic Looking for someone to do accessibility interviews [21:56] TOPIC: Looking for someone to do accessibility interviews [21:56] I posted to the list about this and got a lot of responses by people willing to be interviewed, but not so much by people willing to interview [21:56] dutchie would be good at that [21:57] How about SilverFox? [21:57] >_< She's UBT, sorry. [21:57] *He [21:57] essentially, I had a conversation with jono about how it'd be a great thing to have an interview a month or so on the accessibility blog with a member of the accessibility team [21:57] silverfox doesn't do pronouns, and is busy with the other interview series [21:57] I think it's a great idea, however, haven't spent 6 months doing Ubuntu Women interviews, I know it's not my forte [21:57] so I'm looking for someone willing to do them [21:58] s/haven't/having [21:58] any volunteers? [21:59] (if not, I'll talk to dutchie and see if he's interested as I don't think he's here right now) [21:59] if it was spoken. but writhing :S [22:00] okay, I'll poke dutch [22:00] *dutchie [22:00] there are a few people that could be volunteered for that, MarkDude IdleOne Cheri703 spring to mind [22:00] hehe [22:00] Cheri703, would be good at that btw [22:00] well since none of them seem to be actually here, I'll talk to people later :) [22:00] she is very good with talking to people [22:01] ==bedtime bye [22:01] by the way, we're now at an hour. Do people want to continue the rest of the meeting or postpone items to next month? [22:01] * AlanBell would like to continue [22:01] I want to hear about UFA. [22:01] * UndiFineD has time [22:01] Me too. [22:01] contineu would be fine by me [22:01] okay, then, we can continue :) [22:02] #topic Ubuntu for All [22:02] TOPIC: Ubuntu for All [22:02] AlanBell: that's you :P [22:02] okies [22:02] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll [22:02] * Cheri703 would be good at what? [22:02] so Ubuntu For All is an idea that has been kicked about a few times over the last couple of years [22:02] hi Cheri703 [22:03] Cheri703: I'll talk to you after the meeting :) [22:03] hi [22:03] ok, sorry [22:03] no worries :) [22:03] the idea is to form a group that kind of makes sure Ubuntu works for everyone, simply enough [22:04] there are a bunch of projects in Ubuntu that do that in particular directions, this kind of brings them together [22:04] it isn't a council (we have plenty of them already) [22:04] +! [22:04] +1 [22:04] I see it as more of a support team [22:05] Like a hub of some sort? [22:05] I can see it doing things like checking meetings that are scheduled actually happen, checking and helping with team reports/minutes etc [22:05] How do you mean that AlanBell? One team pulls it more towards accessibility, other team pulls it...where? [22:06] MrChrisDruif: not pulling so much [22:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll/ProjectList [22:06] that is the somewhat tentative project list [22:07] they are all projects that were there from the start, or where I have spoken to the team leaders to check they are interested in being involved [22:08] I don't see it as being a high activity group, just checking to make sure that all the teams involved keep going and have the resources they need [22:08] there is a kickoff meeting which will define the scope of the team [22:08] Alright... [22:08] AlanBell: I think it is wonderful idea. letting the left hand know what the right hand is doing, saves duplication. [22:08] Friday 25th Feb 19:00UTC in #ubuntu-meeting [22:09] I could see our duaghters in ubuntu-younglings :) [22:09] Damn can't make that meeting. [22:09] Same time as Unity Developers meeting [22:09] AlanBell, have the ubunti Younglings already a own chat channel? [22:09] UndiFineD: that is exactly the idea [22:09] hajour: no, not yet [22:09] hajour: that is a project I would like to start, but the rules for such a channel would need careful discussion [22:10] invite only etc probably [22:10] yes i understand that AlanBell :) [22:10] anyhow, all stuff we can discuss on the 25th or in #ubuntu-for-all [22:10] Hm, wouldn't such a channel need supervision? [22:10] it would be great [22:10] To keep them safe online? [22:10] hajour: it would need to be COPPA registered for under 13 years of age. [22:10] yes JackyAlcine [22:11] JackyAlcine: yes, that is what I mean [22:11] Ah, just checking. :) [22:11] hajour: I'll chat after the meeting. [22:11] phillw: coppa? [22:11] anyway, Ubuntu Younglings isn't this group. I suspect that's all stuff that can get hashed out in that group :) [22:11] ok phillw [22:11] (or in the U4A meeting) [22:11] MrChrisDruif: you know how you cant ask for any identifying info from childdren under 13? [22:11] yes, we are drifting, I just wanted to announce it here [22:12] MrChrisDruif: like how all the websites ask your birthday to verify you're over 13? [22:12] Aha... [22:12] can we move on? [22:12] yeah sorry [22:12] yes [22:12] no worries :) [22:12] #topic Next Persona [22:12] TOPIC: Next Persona [22:12] AlanBell: you wanted to talk about this too? [22:13] yeah [22:13] well Pendulum a group like that could say very well or programs are accessible is for that age [22:13] ok, next persona is Daniela [22:13] sorry had typed allready :S [22:13] acceptable you mean hajour? [22:13] hajour: that's okay :) [22:13] text as we have it so far is here http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/daniela [22:13] and I found a picture here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas/Daniela [22:14] * AlanBell spent an hour on flickr looking for pictures of women in swimming costumes [22:14] only realised afterwards it was a bit odd :) [22:14] hehe [22:14] hah [22:15] heh, just head & shoulders with a swim cap would do [22:15] maco2: I wanted something more dramatic, she is totally blind remember [22:15] why its just swimming women [22:16] hajour: daniela is a competitive swimmer [22:16] i know [22:16] iu have helped with daniela persona to .by saying things to UndiFineD maco2 [22:16] hajour: then i dont understand your question [22:17] also i have done swimming contest and i was blind on that time to maco2 [22:17] anyhow, I would like more help with the text as we move it towards a blog post like the Faisal one [22:17] i responsed on this maco2 heh, just head & shoulders with a swim cap would do [22:17] the Faisal one is now on the wiki by the way https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas/Faisal [22:18] i find it a great picture AlanBell [22:18] Pendulum: ok, about done with the persona for now [22:19] anyone else have anything relating to Daniela? [22:20] she needs a lovely dog and speechcontrol :) [22:20] :D [22:20] +1 [22:20] okay, moving on [22:20] #topic Diversity at UDS [22:20] TOPIC: Diversity at UDS [22:21] Woohoo...I saw it change on the spot :P [22:21] last week there was a meeting about Diversity at UDS in the Ubuntu Women channel aimed at increasing the number of women at UDS [22:21] I looked up the hotel, geesh, that is expensive [22:22] it was wonderful to see accessibility brought to a 'must be' instead of an add on [22:22] I've requested from jono that we have an accessibility meeting about it too because I've found a lot more people asking me accessibility related questions than asking me questions related to being female at UDS [22:22] are people interested in such a meeting? [22:22] Yes. [22:23] yes [22:23]