[00:00] IRC meeting! [00:01] Mass call: [thor] FiReSTaRT hypatia IdleOne J2 james_w johanbr Kamondelious kenjy KombuchaKip Kulag ryanakca sipherdee txwikinger willwh zul [00:01] hey darcy [00:01] caught me at a good time :) [00:01] for a change [00:01] dscassel: Need to hop in the shower soon. [00:01] renos done, house basically sold [00:01] Agenda: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/7/detail/ [00:01] KombuchaKip: No worries, drop in when you can. [00:02] hi dscassel [00:02] hi dscassel [00:02] hey txwikinger [00:02] dscassel: Thanks [00:02] ill be coming and going since i have to do some homework [00:02] hi FiReSTaRT [00:02] Feel free to introduce yourself. [00:03] hi, my name is FiReSTaRT and I'm a alco.. oops wrong meeting [00:03] i'll get the newbs started [00:04] Heh. [00:04] Hi all! Just got home, won't be at Kwartzlab tonite. Sorry. [00:04] hi! :) [00:04] in seriousness, my name's Ilija, live in the GTA, work as a GIS technician and also doing tech support for a small ISP.. been using ubuntu since hardy (a couple of years ago), basically advanced desktop user with a bit of admin experience, zero coding.. other distros i've used are arch and openwrt [00:05] hi BobJonkman [00:05] Glad you could make it virtually, BobJonkman [00:05] hi BobJonkman and sipherdee.. same goes for you hakimsheriff (gl with the hw) [00:06] So I'm Darcy and I'm an official LoCo contact, apparently. I'll be your host for this evening. [00:06] I've been using Linux since 1999 and Ubuntu since 2005 (since Breezy) [00:06] * txwikinger is the other official LoCo contact who is leaning back and let Darcy run the show [00:07] FiReSTaRT: thanks [00:07] <[thor]> ? [00:08] Hi [thor]. We're having a meeting, if you're interested. [00:08] * FiReSTaRT gives dscassel the dreaded "it's GNU/Linux" correction! [00:09] <[thor]> i sure am, is it here? or in another channel? [00:09] [thor]: right here [00:09] FiReSTaRT: I only used the kernel, so I'm good. j/k. [00:09] * [thor] pulls up a capacitor. [00:09] well.. then y9ou have to say GNU/Linux + a whole other bunch of stuff [00:10] acceptable short form being GNU/Linux [00:10] Anyway! [00:10] gnux == GNU/Linux [00:10] I prefer "Ubuntu." [00:10] Which is why we're here! [00:10] note to the newbs: imagine your whole operating system and everything that comes with it as a car... the linux kernel is the engine, the suspension/wheels/body/seats etc etc etc come from GNU :P [00:10] * FiReSTaRT shuts up [00:11] So. Events. [00:11] Now's the time to plan for the Global Jam [00:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [00:12] ok.. How many local chapters/places plan to do something? [00:12] We'll be jamming on April 2 in Waterloo. I've got to do a bit of work to start organizing that. [00:13] A GTA jam would be awesome. (hint hint) [00:13] i'd be willing to assist someone who's already organized something here [00:14] FiReSTaRT: Nobody's organized a Jam in Toronto before. [00:15] hypatia has thrown a release party. [00:15] even a release party [00:15] ok.. i can assist then with whatever she needs to get done behind the scenes so she can focus on the big picture [00:15] And her release party was "Hey, let's meet up at Linuxcaffe!" You could do that. :) [00:16] This year the Global Jam conflicts with all kinds of things: Elmira Maple Syrup Festival, the Mayor's Dinner in Kitchener... [00:16] darcy: so i make it a 3 day event or just 1-day? [00:16] BobJonkman: I can't eat maple syrup. ;_; [00:16] BobJonkman: Are you buddy with the Kitchener Mayor? [00:17] Not yet, maybe after dinner... [00:17] FiReSTaRT: The global jam spans the weekend, but we're only doing one day. [00:17] Maybe we should have the Jam at the dinner [00:17] (By we, I mean kitchener-waterloo) [00:17] txwikinger: Yeah. :) [00:18] Unfortuately, since it's a Global Jam, it can't really move. It didn't move for me last cycle. [00:18] That is, the Global Jam conflicts with all kinds of things on >Saturday< [00:18] sunday might even be better even though many would be working with major hangovers [00:19] Sunday's an option, I suppose. [00:19] FiReSTaRT: Any time that weekend that's convenient for organizing something is good. [00:20] Well. the Global Jam is usually Friday to Sunday [00:20] We could use one of the days, or do different things on different days [00:20] We can try to synchronize between different events in Canada [00:20] which could help by doing i.e. presentations with remote participation [00:20] i could get Linuxcaffe booked and notify the community, but getting people organized to actually do something would fall outside of my scope of expertise as i've only done minor ui translations on the FLOSS scene [00:20] Or we could take a problem and work collaboratively to solve it [00:20] in addition to some user support and testing [00:22] FiReSTaRT: txwikinger was saying you could tune in with whatever talk or help we (ie., he) might be giving here) [00:23] Dunno if they have a projector at linuxcaffe. [00:24] Hacklab.to might be an alternative, if hypatia is willing to help. [00:24] i can always ask [00:24] Yeah, drop her a line. :) [00:25] Yes, Linuxcaffe has a projector and a sound system [00:25] i'd like to stay away from downtown as much as possible [00:25] BobJonkman: cool. [00:25] if we're bringing computer gear, something accessable by car and with ample parking space would be for the best [00:26] Linuxcaffe has ample parking space. For bicycles. Cars, not so much. [00:27] kensington is also a bad option for cars [00:27] i'll see if there's anything in the west end, accessable by subway, with the right setup [00:28] the east end is already packed [00:28] FiReSTaRT: There's parking, it just might not be exceedingly convenient. [00:28] ok.. let's think about it and send something on the mailing list and come with some ideas and more concrete venues and times the next meeting [00:28] ok.. sounds like a plan.. so we can move on [00:29] Also, it's not too early to think about release parties. [00:29] so we basically need to have a decent Internet connection, easy access and a projector? [00:31] Natty releases on the 28th. [00:31] FiReSTaRT: That would help if you want to have remote suppoirt [00:31] That's 28 April... [00:31] BobJonkman: yes [00:31] 11.04 :D [00:32] the new ui will make things interesting... i'll have to try out some of the alphas just to see what it looks like now.. already got a partition for that [00:32] I'm not sure everyone realizes that the Ubuntu version number is Year.Month -- it took me a while [00:32] Thanks, BobJonkman [00:33] Yeah, I've heard lots of people talk about "version 10" etc. [00:34] * FiReSTaRT brb [00:35] BobJonkman: I never really noticed that [00:35] Anybody else want to run a jam and/or party? :) [00:35] I'll prod people some more on the mailing list. [00:35] It's not hard. Especially that party. [00:36] The parties don't need anything except a location and people. [00:36] Anyway, next up is the website. [00:36] http://ubuntu-ca.org/ [00:37] Needs some love, really. [00:37] About the same as last IRC meeting, methinks [00:38] It's still not my one-stop Go-To site. [00:38] BobJonkman: Yeah, except the mircoblog feed seems to have disappeared. [00:38] (since it was breaking the theme, I'm not too upset about that) [00:38] Instead, I'm still doing searches for "Ubuntu+loco+Canada" or "wiki.ubuntu.com+meetings" [00:39] BobJonkman: Do you have time to work on it? [00:39] You know drupal, right? :) [00:39] * BobJonkman runs and hides [00:39] Heh. :P [00:39] I've been going to Drupal meetings for about a year. [00:40] I've been maintaining some pages on someone else's Drupal site, but only as a a content editor. [00:40] And I have a commercial Joomla site I've been neglecting. [00:40] BobJonkman: That's mostly what we need here. [00:40] So, would you trust this man with your keys to your Drupal server? [00:41] I gave the current theme to someone to port to drupal 7 [00:41] The theme could be tweeked, but that's not as important as getting useful content. [00:41] I have no idea of the status atm [00:41] OK, I can put up the links and info I find useful. [00:41] Chances are, it'll be useful to someone else too. Scratch my own itch. [00:42] that's what FLOSS is all about [00:42] Then if someone else does the theming my stuff might actually look good. [00:42] help others by scratching your own itch [00:43] Awesome. :D [00:43] BobJonkman: I think you've got all the access you need, right? [00:44] Just tried logging in with Launchpad's OpenID, and get the error " Only site administrators can create new user accounts." [00:44] So, no. [00:44] BobJonkman: Have you tried recently? [00:44] Mere seconds ago [00:44] Ah. [00:45] BobJonkman: I'm prodding txwikinger to look into it. [00:46] We fixed it for hakimsheriff. [00:46] It just stopped working [00:47] it says the same thing as BobJonkman [00:47] the way to log in changed! [00:48] I can't log in either. [00:48] We'll work on sorting that out tonight. [00:50] That it for the website? [00:51] Two cents on Ubuntu Hours? [00:51] BobJonkman: Go ahead. [00:52] Cent One: I was sorry to read of the demise of the Ottawa Ubuntu Hour. [00:52] Yeah. :/ I have hope, though. There were other people meeting besides George. [00:53] Cent Two: I'm free on Thursday mornings until the end of March, so I'll be hanging out a the Little Bean Coffee Bar from 11:00am to about 12:30pm Thursday mornings. [00:53] Bob.. I got in now.. I had the same problem like you [00:53] BobJonkman: Did you use openId? [00:54] So, Ubuntucakw can have additional Ubuntu Hours for a limited time only [00:54] BobJonkman: Sure, if you want we'll advertise. [00:54] txwikinger: Yes, using a proxy from my site to Launchpad's OpenID service [00:54] I'll move my hour back to Waterloo. :) [00:58] Well, if there's nothing else, I'll wrap up. [00:59] Motion to adjourn? [00:59] * BobJonkman motions [00:59] I'll pretend txwikinger seconds. [00:59] Thanks everyone, and good night. :) [00:59] * txwikinger pretend he never heard a motion [00:59] I'll be around for a bit if you want to chat informally. :) [01:00] And txwikinger is busily working on the log in thing. [01:00] i'm about to post a comment on the blog for the hell of it :P [01:01] I missed the first four minutes of the meeting, but I can grab that from locobot if you want me to post meeting minutes [01:01] * BobJonkman laments the English language, and the overloading of nouns like "minutes" [01:02] BobJonkman: Sure, that would be helpful. [01:03] Never did set a datetime for the next IRC meeting [01:03] BobJonkman: Logs were created automatically. :) [01:03] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings//7/detail/ [01:04] * BobJonkman clicks and gets "This Page Does Not Exist!" [01:04] Ah, too many slashes. [01:04] But even then... [01:05] !start meeting [01:05] @start meeting [01:06] http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2011/02/16/%23ubuntu-ca.html [01:06] But >I< have logs with timestamps! [01:06] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/16/%23ubuntu-ca.html#t00:00 has timestamps. :) [01:07] Oooh, pretty! [01:10] txwikinger: I can log in with OpenID now, but it thinks I'm a different bjonkman [01:11] BobJonkman: How many of you are there? [01:11] Should be just the one of me, currently logged in to ubuntu-ca.org [01:16] BobJonkman: I only see one of you there [01:18] How did you log in? [01:29] The website still odesnt work for me [01:37] Hey Ubuntu CA [01:37] Whats shaking? [01:40] I see a lot is shaking. [01:51] dscassel, hey hi. sorry I'm late replying [02:31] Kamondelious: Hi. :) You kind of mised the meeting. [02:31] tm0: So, you'll run a Jam in Peterborough, right? [02:31] :D [02:32] If i can find the name of that cafe [02:32] There are no guarantees, but between the 2-3 Peterborough people on the mailing list and whatever exists of PLUG, you should be about to get people. [02:33] I want to get at least 5 people gaurrented, there is already three. [02:33] dscassel: I cant log in to the website anymore :( [02:34] How is the website? Is it hosted off-Ubuntu yet? [02:35] @Dcassel btw [02:35] @*dcassel btw [02:39] hakimsheriff: We know. txwikinger is looking into it. [02:40] tm0: It's off-Canonical, yeah. [02:40] dscassel: I have to go, bye [02:41] Later. :) [02:41] Great, maybe i'll be able to work a free or discounted theme off of Audentio [02:41] Is it wordpress or Drupal? [02:42] Drupal. [02:43] There's a guy who's working on the theme. Not sure what the status is there. [02:43] We want to keep it similar to the standard Ubuntu theme, for branding consistency. [02:43] Well i can get a discount at audentio, i help mange [02:44] *manage [02:45] tm0: Cool. Chat with txwikinger. He's pretty much in charge of the website. [02:45] txwikinger you around? [02:45] Meh, they do amazzzzzzzing work. [02:46] Well i'll have to check that later, i have a test and i have to call some colleges tomorrow. [02:46] Night Ubuntu Canada. [02:47] I'm glad i'm back [03:14] 'night. :) [04:55] Meeting minutes posted: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-02-15 [14:45] Howdy [15:25] Morning, BluesKaj [15:26] "Morning dscassel [15:44] morning all ;) [15:49] morning cyphermox [15:50] hey IdleOne :) [15:50] cyphermox: Let me know if you need help manning the table at GeekFest [15:51] sure thing [15:52] is Canonical gonna be giving some goodies :) [15:52] * IdleOne would like a back pack hehe [15:52] IdleOne, I can get you a backpack, I ordered the new model, still have the old [15:52] it's in good shape [15:53] hahaha [15:53] I was mostly kidding [15:53] but I'm not. I have no need to keep the old one [15:54] That is very nice of you dude. [15:54] I ordered tons of paper and plastic stickers too, so I'll have that [15:54] Are we getting a conference pack for this event? [15:55] ah, I don't think so, honestly. I doubt anyone asked for it and I'm afraid we're kind of late [15:55] can try now [15:55] I ask because if you need CDs or DVD's burned let me know [15:56] IdleOne, I think I'll bring one of the last boxes we have of CDs to hand out [15:56] ah, ok. [15:56] I'll split them between that, the global jam, and ubuntu hour, shouldn't be too bad [15:57] We can always burn more for Ubuntu hours [15:57] right [15:57] just be nice to give the pressed CDs at GeekFest [15:57] but I would rather hand out pressed CDs at Hour and Geekfest [15:57] right [15:58] it's mostly because for people you don't know, it looks a little better, more professional [15:58] exactly [15:59] Only thing I don't understand is why they are charging an extra $20 for the video game show thing [15:59] IdleOne: This is a conference? [16:00] dscassel: umm not sure if you would call it a conference to be honest [16:00] let me link you [16:00] I think the definition is kind of loose, but we might be able to order you a conference pack. [16:01] the link is in French [16:01] dscassel, we'll be fine for the conf pack I think -- I'll ask Fabian to file in the order. the issue is it's March 5, so really soon :) [16:01] http://geekfestmtl.com/ [16:01] cyphermox: Ah, cool. :) [16:01] I was about to say see if cyphermox or magicfab want to order one. I was more asking for info to be honest [16:03] People like schwag. :) [16:03] yeah [16:04] IdleOne, "at least 4 weeks prior" [16:04] I hope I get a call today about this job I applied for at the airport [16:04] doubtful we can get stuff on time [16:04] cyphermox: if we have enough CDs that is cool [16:04] IdleOne, i'm sure we do [16:06] cyphermox: when we start the Quebec install fest tour i think we will need more lol [16:06] hehe yeah I guess [16:06] fwiw I have a local mirror of cdimages, so we can use that to burn stuff [16:07] context: one of the guys on the -qc team suggested we do a tour of the major cities in Quebec [16:07] We can all sleep in his van [16:07] heh [16:09] If you do, you definitely need to get someone to blog about it. :) [16:09] Possibly a video documentary. :D [16:10] dscassel, identica! [16:10] one post every 15 minutes [16:10] :D [16:10] With pictures. [16:10] dscassel: I would be willing to do such a tour but funding would be an issue for me. [16:11] See if RMS will share his "list of people who will let me crash at their place" list. [16:11] IdleOne, honestly though, it wasn't so much a Quebec tour as a tour of nearby Ubuntu Hour places [16:11] true [16:11] IdleOne, Ottawa was on the list [16:12] I think Ottawa is very doable for us in Montreal [16:12] not sure how much I am willing to make it to Kitchener and back in two days [16:12] Sadly, the Ottawa hour may be defunct. One of the main organizers has left the community, and they haven't rescheduled. [16:12] ah [16:12] Getting out of towners might be motivation to get back on track, though. :) [16:12] Zykotic left the community? [16:13] Yeah. "Not using Ubuntu anymore" he said. [16:13] shame [16:13] Yeah. :/ [16:13] Do you know why? [16:13] No idea. I never got a chance to talk to him in person. [16:14] not using Ubuntu doesn't mean he can't host Ubuntu hours. [16:14] I was hoping to get to the Ottawa Hour this year sometime. [16:14] It's a bit of a drive for me... [16:14] But I have family there. [16:14] IdleOne: I know! :) [16:15] Well then I think soon as the weather clears up a little we need to see what we can do to get Ottawa interested again. [16:15] Awesome. :) [16:15] My car is not in shape for winter driving [16:16] I know there is at least one person from the -qc team who would come there with me. [16:19] Yeah, I'd love to tour around and do Ubuntu Hours in different cities. I'm trying to sort out logistics. [16:19] I don't get a whole lot of vacation. [16:19] that is the main problem, time and money of course [16:20] what about the Linux-cafe i toronto , has either of you visited there ? [16:20] haven't been to TO in 12+ years [16:21] BluesKaj: I went to hypatia's Maverick release party there. :) [16:21] That was my first time. [16:21] Nice little place. [16:21] Perfect for hours. [16:21] The Toronto Ubuntu Hour has just about happened for about a year now. [16:22] nd dscassel, hope it was fun ;0 [16:22] BluesKaj: Yeah, it was a good time. [16:22] ubuntu hours , what's that? [16:22] BluesKaj: An informal meetup. Ubuntu folks in a cafe for an hour. [16:23] or 4 :) [16:23] Yeah. :) [16:23] in Montreal our hours tend to run long [16:23] hehe, not complaining because it is always fun [16:23] ok, but I prefer beer ..2 coffees in the morning is enuff :) [16:24] BluesKaj: You could have an Ubuntu Hour in a bar, I suppose, but some people wouldn't be able to go [16:25] (less of an issue in Quebec, I suppose. :) [16:25] both montreal and toronto , even ottawa are over 5 hr drives for me [16:25] you know I have thought about the whole alcohol thing at Ubuntu Hours and the last few times I went we had a nice man show up but he always says he doesn't drink and the first thing he asks is if there is any alcohol. [16:26] MagicFab hosts the Montreal one and I think he wants to keep it open to teenagers also. Make sure everybody is welcome. [16:26] well, if they're too young to drink then they'll probly have social probs anyway,. being linux geeks 'n all :) [16:26] heh [16:27] BluesKaj: Where are you again? I'm sure I've asked.. [16:27] ^^ [16:27] 40mins west of sudbury [16:27] Ah, yeah, a bit far. :) [16:28] tm0 might be starting up events in Peterborough, but that's not much closer. [16:28] I drive to toronto to visit my kids etc, but I won't just for a linux lunch :) [16:28] For those who may be in Montreal beginning of March cyphermox added the Montreal Geekfest to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances [16:30] IdleOne, I'd definitely go to ottawa too for visiting... plus I have a friend studying CompSci there [16:30] cyphermox: in that case we need to get in sync with dscassel and see when we can go wake those folks up :) [16:31] IdleOne, cyphermox: Are you guys on the ubuntu-ca mailing list? [16:31] of course [16:31] That's where these things seem to be organized. [16:31] dscassel, I only just subscribed, it was long overdue ;) [16:31] did this yesterday or so [16:31] Drop a message there and see if you can prod people. [16:32] dscassel: well someone in Ottawa needs to organize. We don't want to show up and say "Where is everybody?" [16:33] I gguess I'm really marginalized ..I run kde :) [16:33] Definitely, but asking about it might motivate Chuck or James (the other Ottawa attendees) to start something. [16:33] KDE people are also welcome, but you have to sit at the back [16:33] I should email them, probably. [16:34] IdleOne, nobody is gonna tell me where to sit :) [16:34] BluesKaj: txwikinger is a kubuntu zealot. He'll make sure you're well represented. [16:34] BluesKaj: :) [16:34] ? [16:35] txwikinger: you in Ottawa? [16:35] txwikinger: BluesKaj was feeling left out for using KDE. [16:35] IdleOne: no Waterloo Region [16:35] ok [16:35] dscassel: Well.. All those Gnomies need to grow up before they can use something substantial ;p [16:35] hahaha [16:36] them there is fighting words [16:36] txwikinger, I said these ubuntu types can have their cartooney desktop , but we kde real man users are marginalized due it's unrecognized excellence [16:36] btw.. I am not really a zealot.. I think everybody should use whatever they like [16:36] So long as what they like is kubuntu, of course. [16:37] I like KDE and have used it, just prefer gnome [16:37] dscassel: Who knows.. maybe I start my own distro [16:37] wait.. I have my own distro already :) [16:37] you do? [16:38] Well.. I think I am the only one left doing anything on ichthux [16:39] never heard of it [16:39] hehe [16:41] my prefernce lies with kde due my use of windows OSs for so many yrs ojn the job , it has a more familiar "look" to me . [16:42] rumours.. rumours [16:42] You can make any desktop "look like" Windows [16:43] * txwikinger uses KDE because of oen reason.. It uses Qt instead of the annoying GTK [16:43] ratpoison ftw! [16:44] W3.1,'95,'98 ..I've been retired for 11 yrs and running linux since 2002 [16:45] wifw still runs vista and won't switch [16:45] wife [16:45] * txwikinger 's household has not used MS in ages [16:46] good stuff txwikinger :) [16:49] * txwikinger has never understood why the same people who started Gnome (claiming licence issues with Qt) are now the proponents for mono [16:49] but anyway.. what gives.. Open Source seem to be as much politics as is going on in the parliaments of most nations [16:52] * dscassel isn't going there. [16:53] * dscassel agrees the politics thing is futile and frustrating. [16:54] txwikinger, well some ubuntu users are so purist , that anything Qt is like poison in their food [16:54] Qt has a better licensing than GTK today [16:56] * dscassel doesn't get too hung up on licensing. [16:56] I let the lawyers worry about licensing and Use what works for me [16:56] * dscassel acknowledges its importance, however. [16:56] * BluesKaj ran "pure kde " commands yestrday , altho I do miss synaptic ...wish muon had the fix broken packages option altho , dpkg --configure -a is probly what it uses [16:57] synaptic that is [16:57] Anyway, txwikinger, didn't you hear? Qt will ship with Natty! You can switch! [16:58] dscassel: No.. Ubuntu will have the qt libs as default on the CD.. that is the only difference.. that does not mean that all Gnome apps are using Qt [16:58] natty is broken as hell, especially for nvidia drivers , and the new X stack is a mess [16:59] what new X stack... wayland is not default for some time to come [16:59] BluesKaj: We've got two months. It'll be fine. :) [17:00] dscassel, gawd I hope so ...I almost have some my bandmates talked into Linux and now this :) [17:00] Lunch! Back in an hour. :) [17:01] txwikinger, the guys at +1 told me the new Xserver is being installed as default [17:02] No idea.. I had no time at all to look at natty yet [17:02] Well.. I did some work for KDE packaging in December or so, but have no run it yet [17:03] txwikinger, , I tried natty for a few weeks but X broke badly so I reverted both linux boxes , there was no rescuing them [17:03] din't lose any data tho ...using a /home partitionon both [17:03] Well.. we are far to early in the release cycle to expect any stable production qaulity.. so that is not unusual [17:04] If you have the same problem with the release candidates.. than it is time to worry [17:04] yeah, well, the last 3 or so OS upgrades were a lot less bumpy [17:10] .........wow :) [17:10] hi guys :) [17:10] hi willwh [17:10] how is everyone? [17:10] haven't seen the channel buzzing for a while ;) [17:11] and ofc, I missed the meeting, again ^_^ [17:12] some are at lunch ...what meeting? :) [17:12] looks like the irc meeting took place yesterday? [17:14] willwh: there is a log somewhere [17:14]