[16:00] <mvo> hello
[16:01] <doko> hi
[16:01] <robbiew> #startmeeting
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[16:01] <robbiew> o/
[16:01] <psurbhi> o/
[16:01] <ev> \o/
[16:02] <jhunt_> o/
[16:02] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:02] <cjwatson> hi
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:02] <robbiew> any volunteers?
[16:02] <ev> o/
[16:03] <ev> trying to sort out how to properly draw on the root window in a compiz world in support of moving the installer session to it. Finishing up the usb-creator specification.
[16:03] <ev> Documenting the state of the partitioning UI in preparation for a meeting with ivanka on the home preservation and package retention stuff on Friday. Sorted the oem-config slideshow stuff.
[16:03] <ev> (done)
[16:04] <cjwatson> o/
[16:04] <cjwatson> I've spent almost all of this week on the bootstrap project, with a bit of 10.04.2 archive/CD-building work on the side.  No other progress to report.
[16:04] <robbiew> thxn ev and cjwatson
[16:04] <cjwatson> Unfortunately I think I'll have to defer GRUB-on-the-CDs for another cycle.  Sorry. :-(
[16:04] <cjwatson> --
[16:04] <barry> o/
[16:05] <barry> bug 686257 (python-keyring), bug 664276 (python-numpy), bug 710711 (network manager crashes - not fix), bug 693671 (wubi - not fixed), bug 711225 (subprocess.Popen() crash), bug 697792 (fuse verified for lucid-proposed), bug 702375 (launchpadlib), bug 715707 bug 601585 bug 591433 (computer-janitor).  also: several udd discussions, python archive analysis, python3 porting c/c, c-j bug triage.  done.
[16:05] <barry> ev: i think i'm going to need some help on the wubi issue.  i can't even get as far as the original bug reporter
[16:06] <robbiew> sweet...thnx for working the bugs barry
[16:06] <psurbhi> o/
[16:06] <psurbhi> 1) still debugging mountall - upstart communication in initramfs. Analaysed that "a read on a socket is occuring for 0 bytes" , so connection between mountall and upstart is getting disconnected. Just have analyse what is happening :( but not the why part! (need to discuss this) hopefully by next week shall have a better status. not much PROGRESS in this week- sorry!
[16:06] <psurbhi> 2) spent some time today on samba 526464 and 496160 (looked at the patch back portability and code trace), traced some nfs code last week.
[16:06] <psurbhi> (done)
[16:06] <ev> barry: sure
[16:07] <robbiew> doko:?
[16:07] <doko> short week, starting on Mon. still catching up, long call with bjoern for LO, more mentoring, gcc linaro merges, gcc-4.4 and gcc-4.5 updates, binutils update, started eglibc-2.13 merge/packaging
[16:07] <doko> done
[16:07] <robbiew> mvo?
[16:07] <cjwatson> mountall/initramfs> if you can get strace into your initramfs and run mountall under it, that would probably be helpful
[16:07] <mvo> apt: merges from debian
[16:07] <mvo> aptdaemon: fixes, merges, upload new version
[16:07] <mvo> auto-upgrade-tester: add python-all test profile, run test, fix #715075, fix main-all bootstraping (always a bit of a pain)
[16:07] <mvo> mago: modernize packaging, upload new bzr snapshot (needed for s-c)
[16:07] <mvo> Review lp:~csurbhi/+junk/mdadm.fixes (looks good, but needs changelog updates to refer to the individual bugs for the SRU)
[16:07] <cjwatson> oh, unless you've already done that
[16:07] <mvo> rnr-server: debug/fix encoding issues (#714582), expose usefulness via API, add offline mode to piston-mini-client
[16:07] <mvo> Softwae-center: branch review/merges, cleanup, debug oneconf issues, upload 3.0-sru, work on "was-this-review-useful" feature,
[16:07] <mvo> Update-manager: look at native python-patch impleentation (for applying emergency hot-fixes during the upgrade as some minimal systems do not even have "ed" installed). not much luck yet
[16:07] <mvo> (done)
[16:07] <robbiew> psurbhi: did you see cjwatson's suggestion?
[16:08] <psurbhi> cjwatson, thanks..! i will try that too
[16:08] <robbiew> mvo: so are there plans to allow people to sort applications by reviews?
[16:08] <psurbhi> currently i am redirecting all the output to a serial port in kvm (and that goes to a file)
[16:08] <psurbhi> and i have put a trillion printfs in libdbus.. and mountall
[16:08]  * robbiew is too lazy to read the novel/spec
[16:09] <mvo> robbiew: not currently, but maybe a top rated section
[16:09] <mvo> robbiew: but FF is close :/
[16:09] <robbiew> mvo: heh...sure...not meaning for 11.04
[16:09] <robbiew> just in general
[16:09] <psurbhi> cjwatson, i will try the strace today and hopefully find something more, thanks!
[16:09] <robbiew> top rated is probably good enough
[16:09] <mvo> in the long term I think it would be really useful
[16:09] <mvo> we plan to have search results ranged by it too
[16:09] <robbiew> cool
[16:10] <robbiew> jhunt_:?
[16:10] <jhunt_> Finished Upstart visualisation tests and pushed branch. Then found a bug in the Graphviz script which has led to a rework. Ironically, that rework ended up showing up a bug in autofs (bug 718664 which I fixed), and a minor bug in the Upstart visualization parser. A side-effect of the tests for the visualisation means that I have been able to write a script for users to syntax check their .conf job files prior to installing them into /etc/init/. Currently
[16:10] <jhunt_> EOT
[16:10] <mvo> nice
[16:10] <cjwatson> cut off at "Currently"
[16:11] <robbiew> jhunt_:  ^^
[16:12] <robbiew> hmm...maybe lost connection
[16:13] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Natty
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty
[16:13] <robbiew> Feature freeze next week!!!!
[16:13] <mvo> *urgh*
[16:13] <ev> !!!!!1
[16:14] <highvoltage> *panics*
[16:14] <robbiew> we do have the option of submitting feature freeze exceptions...but I think skaet and the release team plan to hand those out sparingly ;)
[16:15] <robbiew> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-foundations-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-foundations-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[16:15] <robbiew> A total of 252 bug tasks are assigned to the canonical-foundations team!
[16:15] <robbiew> Michael Vogt has 107 tasks assigned
[16:15] <robbiew> Colin Watson has 54 tasks assigned
[16:15] <robbiew> Canonical Foundations Team has 28 tasks assigned
[16:15] <robbiew> Barry Warsaw has 17 tasks assigned
[16:15] <robbiew> Surbhi Palande has 17 tasks assigned
[16:15] <robbiew> Evan Dandrea has 14 tasks assigned
[16:15] <robbiew> Matthias Klose has 10 tasks assigned
[16:15] <robbiew> James Hunt has 5 tasks assigned
[16:16] <jhunt__> sorry - slight case of kernel barfage...!
[16:16] <robbiew> (10:10:20 AM) jhunt_: Finished Upstart visualisation tests and pushed branch. Then found a bug in the Graphviz script which has led to a rework. Ironically, that rework ended up showing up a bug in autofs (bug 718664 which I fixed), and a minor bug in the Upstart visualization parser. A side-effect of the tests for the visualisation means that I have been able to write a script for users to syntax check their .conf j
[16:16] <robbiew> (10:10:23 AM) ubottu: Launchpad bug 718664 in autofs5 (Ubuntu) "upstart config fo file autofs5 requires space" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718664
[16:16] <robbiew> (10:10:27 AM) jhunt_: EOT
[16:16] <robbiew> (10:10:41 AM) mvo: nice
[16:16] <robbiew> (10:10:50 AM) cjwatson: cut off at "Currently"
[16:17] <robbiew> okay....
[16:17]  * cjwatson unassigns another handful from himself
[16:17] <robbiew> so the bug numbers for the team are not bad...unless you are mvo, who apparently loves to work bugs
[16:18] <cjwatson> might eventually get down to a comfortable level
[16:18] <mvo> *cough* I guess I love to collect them
[16:18]  * mvo will agressively fix/unassign
[16:18]  * robbiew vows to get mvo under 100
[16:18] <robbiew> I probably can't fix any of them....but I can unassign/invalidate the REALLY old ones
[16:18] <robbiew> ;)
[16:19] <psurbhi> :D
[16:19] <jhunt__> robbiew: shall I re-paste?
[16:19] <robbiew> jhunt__: would be nice :)
[16:19] <jhunt__> hold onto your pants, here we go...
[16:19] <jhunt__> Finished Upstart visualisation tests and pushed branch. Then found a bug in the Graphviz script which has led to a rework. Ironically, that rework ended up showing up a bug in autofs (bug 718664 which I fixed), and a minor bug in the Upstart visualization parser. A side-effect of the tests for the visualisation means that I have been able to write a script for users to syntax check their .conf job files prior to installing them into /etc/init/. Currentl
[16:19] <jhunt__> EOT
[16:20] <psurbhi> jhunt_, the message is cut off at Currentl :P
[16:20] <cjwatson> IRC has a line length limit - you need to split
[16:20] <jhunt__> take 2, part 2...
[16:20] <jhunt__> Currently finishing off graphviz script and a "check mode" for initctl to detect invalid configuration combinations (useful for dpkg) and will then concentrate on looking at Keybuks branches in earnest along with packaging up my code for natty. I think we're running out of runway for my "interactive boot" work for this cycle (it wasn't actually scoped), but we'll see...
[16:21] <jhunt__> I think I'll revert to my old style of pasting next time :)
[16:21] <robbiew> heh...well, there's no shame in postponing work to the next release
[16:21] <cjwatson> FWIW I'll be more than happy if we get the scoped work done, aside from future work ;-)
[16:21] <robbiew> as long as we do it
[16:22] <robbiew> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations-natty-alpha-3.html
[16:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations-natty-alpha-3.html
[16:22] <robbiew> speaking of scoped work :P
[16:23] <robbiew> not that many work items really listed, so assuming they aren't SUPER generalized ones, like "fix bugs"....I'm fine with it
[16:23] <robbiew> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:23] <robbiew> that looks even better :)
[16:24] <robbiew> [TOPIC]AOB/GoodNews
[16:24] <MootBot> New Topic: AOB/GoodNews
[16:24] <mvo> I ran a python-all upgrade test (including python packages from universe) from maverick->natty and it looks very good
[16:24] <robbiew> \o/
[16:25] <mvo> (filed some bugs, did some fixes, but overall very good, tag python27 for the remaining ones)
[16:25] <mvo> and I just uploaded apt-btrfs-snapshot to natty
[16:25] <psurbhi> yey
[16:25]  * mvo is very excited about this one
[16:25] <psurbhi> :)
[16:25] <barry> mvo: thanks!
[16:25] <cjwatson> that went fast after the infrastructure was done :)
[16:25] <mvo> thanks psurbhi for the work to make this happen (in the installer)
[16:26] <psurbhi> mvo, thanks to you too for the wonderful feature
[16:26] <mvo> cjwatson: yeah, its not hard, the tricky part was what you and psurbhi did (and the initial thinking)
[16:26] <robbiew> what does apt-btrfs-snapshot do?
[16:27] <mvo> it will create btrfs snapshots
[16:27] <mvo> ;)
[16:27] <cjwatson> there are still some issues in grub2 that make it tricky to use by default (aside from any problems with btrfs itself)
[16:27] <mvo> on each apt-get install/remove/upgrade run
[16:27] <cjwatson> in particular we don't have anywhere to put the environment block yet, so a few features won't work
[16:27] <mvo> plus it provides the needed hooks so that the release upgrade can use it
[16:27] <cjwatson> we have a design for a solution to that, but no code for it yet
[16:28] <mvo> cjwatson: I also noticed that btrfs and dpkg do not play that well, everything feels slow because of the fsync() calls I assume
[16:28] <mvo> this needs fixing IMO as well before we can consider it as default
[16:29] <mvo> but its still a really nice step forward
[16:29] <robbiew> mvo: ah...cool
[16:29] <robbiew> thnx
[16:30] <mvo> robbiew: I should add that it works seamlessly, you install apt-btrfs-snapshot and you get snapshots plus a cli to manually create/list/delete
[16:30] <mvo> (well, on my test machine anyway ;)
[16:30] <robbiew> sweet
[16:30] <robbiew> heh
[16:30] <barry> nice
[16:30] <robbiew> ubuntu timemachine
[16:30] <mvo> indeed, a bit like it
[16:31] <robbiew> anything else?
[16:31] <robbiew> going once......
[16:32] <robbiew> twice.....
[16:32] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:32] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:32.
[16:32] <psurbhi> thanks!
[16:32] <robbiew> thnx all!
[16:32] <mvo> thanks
[16:32] <jhunt__> thx
[16:32] <barry> thanks!
[16:32] <ev> thanks
[19:00] <highvoltage> Anyone present for an Edubuntu meeting? :)
[19:01]  * alkisg waves
[19:01]  * mgariepy waves
[19:02]  * highvoltage rolls
[19:02] <highvoltage> http://www.uct.ac.za/images/uct.ac.za/contact/campusmaps/big/upper.jpg
[19:02] <highvoltage> oope, not that one
[19:02] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda
[19:02] <highvoltage> should we make Edubuntu meetings monthly instead and just plan more if we need them?
[19:03] <mgariepy> Would work for me.
[19:03] <highvoltage> we don't usually have many people attending, and most of us that do usually follow #edubuntu
[19:03] <alkisg> Sounds good
[19:04] <alkisg> Or we could have shorter meetings :)
[19:04] <alkisg> :P
[19:04] <highvoltage> we've been doing that too :)
[19:04] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap
[19:05] <highvoltage> Feature Freeze is next week
[19:05] <highvoltage> so I'll work on getting acire/python-snippits in
[19:05] <highvoltage> librecad is uploaded, so we'll change the seeds to switch qcad for librecad
[19:06] <highvoltage> stgraber said that he should be ok working on the ubiquity stuff before then
[19:06] <highvoltage> not sure if mhall119 made progress for the qimo gnome session yet, but as I know him he'll probably pop in any moment to give an update
[19:07] <highvoltage> I emailed the artwork team to let them know about our intentions working with doctormo, hopefully that turns out ok
[19:08] <highvoltage> and that's it I can think of now. anyone else have any news of what's been happening in Edubuntu recently?
[19:09] <alkisg> The italc problem didn't cause much noise after all...
[19:09] <alkisg> Nope, nothing from me
[19:09] <mgariepy> nothing for me
[19:10] <highvoltage> alkisg: yeah, I was (pleasantly) surprised
[19:11] <highvoltage> ok, let's call it a meeting then, thanks alkisg and mgariepy
[19:11] <alkisg> Ty highvoltage
[19:11] <mgariepy> thank you guys
[19:13]  * mhall119 pops in
[19:13] <mhall119> no qimo progress at all to report ;9
[19:13] <mhall119> :(
[19:13] <mhall119> debmower still doesn't work, and I haven't gotten around to ripping apart an xubuntu iso yet
[19:13] <mhall119> highvoltage: if push comes to shove, is there room on the DVD for Xfce?
[19:14] <highvoltage> mhall119: hmm, room yes, I think the bigger issue is shipping another desktop environment.
[19:15] <highvoltage> mhall119: I have some time allocated to work on debmower, I'm also going to look at Offspring and see if it's worth while, it's CA'd though and I'm not sure if I'd be comfortable with the future of that
[19:16] <mhall119> CA'd?
[19:16] <highvoltage> copyright assigned
[19:17] <mhall119> ah
[19:17] <highvoltage> I'm not too confortable of having the possibility of having a free software project that might have to compete with an exact non-free version, but that possibly has more features added for show or something
[19:17] <mhall119> we can fork it though, if we wanted to
[19:17] <mhall119> it's OSI licensed?
[19:18] <highvoltage> yep
[19:18] <highvoltage> cody-somerville: will it support building debian CDs too?
[19:21] <cody-somerville> highvoltage, Offspring isn't a build tool its self. If the build tool you use for a project supports it, then yes. Offspring ships with support for using live-build out of the box which is actually a Debian project. It supports building theoretically any Debian-based system.
[19:21] <highvoltage> cody-somerville: ok, that's pretty cool then
[19:24]  * stgraber waves