[00:00] <hazrpg> popey: ooo, its your birthday soon?
[00:02] <hazrpg> still can't believe #cumbria_lug is dead
[00:02] <_SPT_> Any one know of any Ubuntu groups/meetings in the staffordshire area?
[00:04] <hazrpg> _SPT_: http://www.staffslug.org.uk/ <==
[00:04] <hazrpg> _SPT_: just google around for the, type in "Staffordshire LUG" and see what you get
[00:04] <hazrpg> LUG = Linux User Group
[00:05] <_SPT_> thanks
[00:07] <hazrpg> _SPT_: they got a channel here on freenode too #staffslug
[00:07] <hazrpg> _SPT_: seems active too, currently 60 people in there
[00:07] <_SPT_> just going to popin now
[00:08] <hazrpg> ah wait, 19 sorry
[00:08] <hazrpg> but still :)
[00:21] <hazrpg> would it be mean to make my own Cumbria LUG?
[00:21] <hazrpg> or just more beneficial to just get people to join Cumbria LUG?
[00:23] <penguin42> hazrpg: We have someone from Barrow who comes to ManLUG
[00:25] <hazrpg> penguin42: yeah I think its because the Cumbrian LUG is pretty much dead
[00:26] <hazrpg> they've ditched their website for a wiki, and the last proper email on the mailing list archive is months/years ago, there have been one last month and one in november... but mainly job adverts
[00:27] <hazrpg> kinds sucks
[00:31] <popey> hazrpg: yeah, april
[00:32] <penguin42> heck, you do look forward to them don't you
[00:34] <hazrpg> ?
[00:34] <hazrpg> popey: awesome :)
[00:35] <penguin42> April is ages away
[00:47] <shauno> hazrpg: when I was there, it was completely fragmented.  there was a furness lug, and a westmorland lug ..
[00:47] <shauno> it was all pretty much 3 guys in a pub unless you got on the train
[00:47] <penguin42> how big is westmorland exactly?
[00:47] <penguin42> (says he never having heard of it)
[00:48] <shauno> I'm really not sure.  I think it's just kendal & associated villages
[00:48] <shauno> kinda like furness, it's just enough tiny towns / villages pooled together enough to have their own newspaper
[00:49] <hazrpg> heh
[00:49]  * penguin42 knows of kendal, just not the westmorland bigger chunk
[00:49] <hazrpg>  /pool \o/
[00:50] <shauno> cumbria's strange because it's got a huge gap with nil population in the middle
[00:50] <shauno> so you've got barrow, whitehaven/workingston, carlisle and kendal in each corner
[00:51] <shauno> and they act like completely separate places because they've got this wall between them
[00:51] <shauno> so a 'cumbria lug' just doesn't end up working
[00:52] <shauno> (unless everyone wants to drive an hour to meet at a farm in the middle)
[00:55] <shauno> from barrow it is easier (and probably quicker) to get on a train to manchester than carlisle.  01228 & 9 are split by a national park
[00:59] <shauno> I just remember that when I was in barrow, the local lug were in a pub in the middle of nowhere.  decidedly not public-transport friendly
[01:00] <penguin42> I seem to remember getting a train to somewhere up in the lakes and realising that the place I actually fancied going was on the opposite side of it, of which there was a bus every one or two hours - in the summer only, if you're lucky
[01:02] <dutchie> oops
[01:03] <dutchie> just accidentally middle clicked in mutt, resulting in pasting of colossal amount of text
[01:03] <dutchie> which marked all of my emails as read
[01:04] <shauno> heh, yeah a lot of the lakes is like that
[01:04] <shauno> either tourist-season services, or services that are timed to get people to sellafield & back, so your transportation plans revolve around their shift patterns
[01:05] <hazrpg> indeed
[01:08] <shauno> it's kinda cute when you make it work.  there's a nice pub that brew their own, a short walk from the end of the eskdale railway
[01:09] <shauno> but for anything you'd want to do on a regular basis; either a car, or just get on the train to a real populace
[02:50] <hazrpg> is there an easy way to backup my PGP/GPG keys I'm about to use for launchpad?
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: have you ever used pgp/gnupg before?
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: (any questions about gpg, ask me :))
[05:46] <hazrpg> MartijnVdS: Nope!
[05:46] <hazrpg> First time
[05:47] <hazrpg> managed to get myself linked up on launchpad (considering I've been registered with launchpad since 2006)
[05:47] <hazrpg> just want to back those GPG/PGP files up just in-case (I do re-installs regularly when I mess something up)
[05:49] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: backing up ~/.gnupg should be sufficient then
[05:49] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: make sure you back it up to a secure location (USB stick in a safe?)
[05:50] <hazrpg> wait, you saying if I back that folder up and restore it... it'll just popup?
[05:51] <MartijnVdS> it should, yes
[05:51] <MartijnVdS> don't forget the passphrase though :)
[05:51] <hazrpg> surely that can't be safe - thought the whole point was that you had to enter your passphrase in to export/import
[05:51] <hazrpg> ah
[05:51] <hazrpg> heh :P
[05:51] <hazrpg> was going to say :P
[05:52] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: the secret key in ~/.gnupg/secring.gpg is encrypted with a symmetrical cypther
[05:52] <MartijnVdS> cypher
[05:52] <MartijnVdS> and the key for that cypher is (derived from) your passphrase
[05:52] <hazrpg> winner :)
[05:52] <hazrpg> so say I backed that up, and then restored that folder back
[05:52] <hazrpg> now what?
[05:52] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: gpg --list-keys
[05:53] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: gpg --list-secret-keys
[05:53] <hazrpg> would those ask for all the keys?
[05:53] <hazrpg> er
[05:53] <hazrpg> I mean passphrases?
[05:53] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: no, those should list all collected public keys, and all private keys you have
[05:53] <hazrpg> but say I wanted to use one, it would ask then right?
[05:54] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: doing modifications on the key (gpg --edit-key yourkeyid + save) should ask for a passphrase
[05:54] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: you can check by encrypting a small file to yourself
[05:54] <hazrpg> woah, I can use the GPG/PGP to encrypt files :O
[05:54]  * hazrpg liking this even more already
[05:55] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: (gpg -a -se -r your_keyid testfile)
[05:56] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: I have a vim plugin that allows me to say: vim file.gpg, and it'll transparently decrypt on open, and re-encrypt on save
[05:56] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: I use that for my password list :)
[05:57] <hazrpg> nice
[05:57] <hazrpg> I use KeyPass for that
[05:57] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: install vim-addon-manager and vim-scripts, then: vim-addons install gnupg
[05:57] <hazrpg> with mono
[05:57] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: gnupg works everywhere.. mono not always :)
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: you can also store your key on a chip card
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: http://www.g10code.com/p-card.html
[06:00] <hazrpg> heh that's awesome
[06:00] <hazrpg> although I don't have a reader on me
[06:00]  * hazrpg pats self
[06:00] <MartijnVdS> I have a Dell keyboard with cardreader :)
[06:00] <hazrpg> awesome :P
[06:00] <MartijnVdS> it can also read other chip cards (credit card manufacturer, phone cards, SIMs etc.)
[06:00] <hazrpg> wow no way :o
[06:00] <MartijnVdS> electronic cash cards :)
[06:01] <hazrpg> all of which are encrypted, however I'm sure people have worked their way around it
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: not easily
[06:01] <hazrpg> true
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: but cards have an id code, and there's a mapping of id code range <-> card manufacturer
[06:02] <MartijnVdS> so you can tell what kind of card is in the slot
[06:02] <MartijnVdS> The dutch "chipknip" (electronic cash) system is also secure: read-only commands work fine, but "write" transactions are impossible if you don't have the secret key of a bank
[06:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Live Ubuntu Video Q+A: Every Wednesday - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/16/live-ubuntu-video-qa-every-wednesday/
[06:03] <hazrpg> makes sense really
[06:03] <MartijnVdS> so I can stick in my chipcard, and see the balance + last few transactions :)
[06:04] <shauno> surely they could just make them usb & save the silly hardware requirement :/
[06:04] <MartijnVdS> shauno: chip cards were invented way before USB
[06:05] <shauno> says that p-card has been supported in gnupg since 2004.  we've had usb since then too :)
[06:05] <MartijnVdS> shauno: sure, but smart cards are a "known" -- they're easy to take with you (definition of "credit card size" :))
[06:06] <shauno> aye.  I just don't have anything that'll read them
[06:06] <MartijnVdS> shauno: they're also more secure than random USB devices from China
[06:06] <MartijnVdS> shauno: you can buy a reader from the same people as you buy the card from (kernel-concepts.de) :)
[06:06] <MartijnVdS> shauno: they have lots of types
[06:06] <MartijnVdS> shauno: also, some laptops come with a smart card slot
[06:06] <shauno> and the readers are just usb devices from china ;)
[06:07] <MartijnVdS> shauno: sure, the readers are.. but the readers are just simple "bridges" between PC and card
[06:07] <MartijnVdS> they don't know more than the PC (maybe the PIN, if it's a reader that can pin-unlock a card without host intervention)
[06:07] <MartijnVdS> (those exist)
[06:08] <shauno> someone should make one in the form-factor of my lacie key, that takes a sim-sized chip
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> shauno: now there's an idea :)
[06:09] <shauno> http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=11585
[06:09] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/index.php?cPath=1_26
[06:09] <shauno> I have a couple of these on my keyring.  silly price for a usb stick, but I love the form-factor
[06:09] <MartijnVdS> http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?cPath=1_26&products_id=133 http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?cPath=1_26&products_id=119
[06:09] <MartijnVdS> shauno: ^ you want those
[06:10] <shauno> yeah.  but in a sexier package :)
[06:10] <MartijnVdS> they have openstreetmap reflective vests 8-|
[06:10] <MartijnVdS> http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?products_id=134
[06:11] <shauno> my 'key' is about 2/3rds the thickness of a normal usb plug.  and key-shaped.  makes it very convenient on a keyring
[06:11] <shauno> instead of having huge chunks of plastic hanging off
[06:12] <MartijnVdS> shauno: well.. be the first to market :)
[06:12] <shauno> heh
[06:13] <shauno> I think my work laptop has a card reader.  but nothing I have at home
[06:13] <MartijnVdS> you could probably cut out a key shape from a normal smart card
[06:14] <shauno> you'd still lack the reader tho.  being able to punch out a sim card is easy enough as far as the card goes
[06:15] <shauno> the card's the easy bit.  a reader that's thought-free to take with me is the bridge
[06:15] <MartijnVdS> shauno: get laptop with card reader built in :)
[06:15] <shauno> give up my macs for some bulky dell?  nevar!
[06:18] <MartijnVdS> shauno: put ~/.gnupg on your usb stick
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> only problem will be possible key stealing by systems you stick your key into :)
[06:19] <shauno> my .ssh lives on it already
[06:20] <shauno> I don't go sticking my key in random machines tho.  too young for children.
[06:21] <shauno> it just makes sure a stolen laptop isn't the end of the world :)
[06:25] <hazrpg> man I hate organising emails... and sorting through them - always a time consuming process :/
[06:44] <shauno> that's what procmail is for :)
[07:38] <phonex01> hello guys
[07:38] <phonex01> i need help
[07:38] <phonex01> how can i configure proxy over a proxy
[07:44] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Meauning.
[07:45] <AlanBell> phonex01: you might want to add a bit more detail, I have no idea what you are trying to do
[07:46] <phonex01> ok o
[07:46] <phonex01> ok ok
[07:46] <phonex01> listen
[07:47] <phonex01> i'm forced to use a proxy in my university and i want to use outside proxy , so when i configure the proxy settings i put the setting for the universtiy proxy , but where i have to put the outside proxy settings
[07:47] <phonex01> i think its called tunnling
[07:49] <phonex01> do you unerstand me AlanBell ?
[07:51] <phonex01> plz help !
[07:52] <AlanBell> and you are using Ubuntu?
[07:52] <phonex01> yes
[07:52] <phonex01> ubuntu 10.10
[07:52] <phonex01> can i use some package that can help in Tunneling ?
[07:52] <phonex01> like httptunnling ?
[08:02] <AlanBell> dunno, quite a reasonable question, it should be possible
[08:02] <AlanBell> if the internal proxy is a socks proxy you could use tsocks and then in firefox the regular proxy settings for the external proxy
[08:03] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:03] <AlanBell> there might be a firefox extension somewhere that will do it
[08:03] <AlanBell> morning MooDoo
[08:10] <phonex01> what is tsocks ?
[08:10] <AlanBell> !info tsocks
[08:10] <lubotu3`> tsocks (source: tsocks): transparent network access through a SOCKS 4 or 5 proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8beta5-9.1 (maverick), package size 269 kB, installed size 660 kB
[08:11] <AlanBell> you tell it where your internal proxy is, then run "tsocks firefox" and it will tunnel firefox through the first proxy without firefox knowing about it
[08:14] <DJones> Morning all
[08:18] <MooDoo> morning
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: firefox is a bad example, because it knows how to speak socks4/5 itself :)
[08:29] <hoover> good morning folks
[08:30] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: the point is to get through two proxies
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> ah
[08:30]  * MartijnVdS is too used to ssh -D :)
[08:46] <smittix> o/
[08:47] <MooDoo> smittix: hello :)
[08:48] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:48] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski hugs
[08:49] <diplo> Morning
[08:51] <czajkowski> MooDoo: boo
[08:51] <MooDoo> czajkowski: aaaaaaaaaaarrrrggghhhhh
[08:51] <dwatkins> hiya
[08:58] <AlanBell> Eben Moglen at fosdem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNaIji_3xBE
[09:00] <DJones> Arrrgghh. Why when using Excel does my brain still keep trying to tell my fingers to use /fs to save files, anyone would think I was back in the early 1980's using Lotus 123
[09:02] <shauno> excel does strange things to most people.  you're lucky your affliction is almost logical :)
[09:03] <DJones> shauno: Yeah, surprisingly it still works though
[09:12] <smittix> MooDoo: Hi :)
[09:13] <MooDoo> smittix: how are you?
[09:22] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:28] <hazrpg> shauno: if you don't mind you might have to teach me how to use that at some point dude :)
[09:29] <hazrpg> AlanBell: Woot! I made myself a PGP/GPG (whatever its called!) key and hooked up to launchpad/ubuntu keyserver finally :D! And even clicked to join the ubuntu-uk group, thing... lol
[09:30] <hazrpg> Still need to make me a wiki at some point ^^
[09:30] <AlanBell> yay
[09:31] <hazrpg> I thought, since I've been registered on launchpad for years nows... might as well make it official :P
[09:40] <popey> morning all
[09:40] <BigRedS> good morning!
[09:40] <Neoti|work> hey popey
[09:40] <Neoti|work> morning
[09:40] <MooDoo> morning
[09:41] <JamesTait> Hello, hello!
[09:41] <Neoti|work> hey MooDoo, i added u on msn last night ...
[09:41] <MooDoo> Neoti|work: did you?
[09:41] <daubers> Morning
[09:42] <Neoti|work> yeah ... was just looking for fellow ubuntu'ers in my area etc ....
[09:42] <screen-x> morning daubers
[09:42] <MooDoo> Neoti|work: not had any requests.....:S strange....
[09:42] <Neoti|work> humm .... i use empathy ... of cuase ... lol ... and sent it through there ...
[09:43] <MooDoo> Neoti|work: well i'm using empathy at the moment, can you try again?
[09:45]  * daubers finishes coffee #1
[09:46] <MooDoo> daubers: 1?? it's nearly 10....sureley you mean 15?
[09:46] <daubers> MooDoo: Nope, been so busy this morning forgot to make it till about 20 minutes ago
[09:46]  * screen-x finishes last night's pizza
[09:46] <MooDoo> daubers: lol
[09:46] <MooDoo> screen-x: yum
[09:46] <daubers> OOooh... processors might be being delivered!
[09:47]  * DJones processes daubers 
[09:47] <DJones> Syntax error
[09:47] <bigcalm> Good morning peoples :)
[09:47] <DJones> Morning bigcalm
[09:48] <MooDoo> bigcalm: morning
[09:49] <Neoti|work> MooDoo sent again
[09:49] <MooDoo> Neoti|work: hmmm strange, i've not had any requests
[09:50]  * screen-x wonders who Neoti|work is sending requests to..
[09:50] <MooDoo> screen-x: me :)
[09:50] <screen-x> yah, but if you arent getting them..
[09:50] <Neoti|work> screen-x good point ...
[09:51] <Neoti|work> some random stranger lol.....
[09:51] <DJones> screen-x: It'll be easy to find out, just wait and see who reports Neoti|work as a stalker
[09:51] <Neoti|work> LOL DJones
[09:51] <MooDoo> stupid empathy
[09:53] <Neoti|work> well i sent a message... i hope its gone to Moodoo.... lol
[09:53] <Neoti|work> else i am defo being a stalker today ...
[09:53] <MooDoo> i got it :)
[09:53] <Neoti|work> in fact stuff it i might just pick some random strange and stalk them for the hell of it ... lol ... JOKE!!!!
[09:54] <MooDoo> Neoti|work: that's how i roll with facebook, just add everyone and stalk them :)
[09:54]  * DJones unfriends MooDoo 
[09:54] <Neoti|work> LOL
[09:55] <MooDoo> DJones: haven't started stalking ubuntu people yet, i had an issue with facebook last week and it's lost me about 35 friends
[09:55] <Neoti|work> was it the virus thing moodoo ...
[09:55] <DJones> MooDoo: Ouch, thats not good
[09:55] <Neoti|work> as i did not click it even though loads of people kept sending it me ...
[09:55] <MooDoo> DJones: it happens every so often, i've left facebook i don't know how many times
[09:56] <Neoti|work> i must be the only one out of my frineds who did not click the link he he
[09:56] <hazrpg> heh, facebook should be added as a bug ^^
[09:56] <dwatkins> MooDoo: it lost you real friends, or facebook people you added?
[09:56] <MooDoo> dwatkins: facebook people i added, i don't have any real friends ;)
[09:56] <dwatkins> MooDoo: yeah you do, as evidenced by this channel's logs :)
[09:57] <hazrpg> you, can't say I've added any ubuntu people on my facebook...
[09:57] <MooDoo> dwatkins: over the years i've come to regard you lot as people i met :)
[09:57] <dwatkins> MooDoo: indeed, my friend
[09:57] <MooDoo> :D
[09:57]  * MooDoo hugs you all, apart from czajkowski she gets a prod
[09:57] <hazrpg> think the word is "acquaintances" then :P
[09:57] <mungojerry> moodoo: red dwarf quote :P
[09:58] <MooDoo> mungojerry: ssshhhhh people think i'm clever and witty
[09:58] <bigcalm> As people I've met
[09:58] <hazrpg> MooDoo: nah, see even I knew that ;)
[09:58] <bigcalm> Ah, helps if I look up
[09:58]  * bigcalm goes back to work
[09:58]  * mungojerry does too :P
[09:58] <MooDoo> anyway, lets not talk about me all day ;)
[09:59]  * hazrpg changes topic to "Lets talk about MooDoo all day :)"
[09:59] <daubers> Ooooh, processors, motherboards and SAS expansion kits
[09:59] <dwatkins> daubers: and arduinos?
[09:59] <MooDoo> let's talk about NAS baby :)   hmmm looks like my second drive is failing :(
[09:59] <daubers> No I just need the other 112 HDD's and and I can finish this build
[09:59] <Neoti|work> i might play some mine craft but dont want to lose a who day ....
[09:59] <dwatkins> daubers: no small array, then
[10:00] <daubers> dwatkins: Oh dear
[10:00] <dwatkins> daubers: I'm not following you
[10:00] <daubers> dwatkins: It's 4 seperate arrays in reality, each being 2 chassis with 16 spindles per chassis
[10:01] <dwatkins> Fun with partition boundaries and RAID definitions
[10:01] <mungojerry> http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/16/dell-employees-arrested-for-poor-decision-making-skills/
[10:01] <mungojerry> ^^ numpties
[10:01] <Neoti|work> though i was caught playing space invaders the other day by the boss and brushed it off as hackers attacking the firewall and being killed LOL ... was funny ....
[10:01] <daubers> dwatkins: I'm still waiting for the other 16 tape drives as well for the cluster of tape servers
[10:01] <dwatkins> daubers: reminds me of some of the customers I used to support in my previous role
[10:01] <mungojerry> tape drives worry me
[10:02] <mungojerry> we don't restore from tape enough...too much faith in them
[10:02] <daubers> dwatkins: This is all for the Beeb
[10:02] <BigRedS> mungojerry: where I used to work we didn't do practice restores frequently because they were hard and complex....
[10:02] <mungojerry> exactamondo
[10:03] <mungojerry> defeats the point...more of a box ticking exercise, but when there is a disaster u r screwed
[10:03] <dwatkins> daubers: it's not related to an application currently being rolled-out/tested, by any chance is it?
[10:03] <daubers> dwatkins: Probably not...
[10:03] <mungojerry> better to rsync offsite
[10:03] <daubers> dwatkins: It's destined for the archives, for their QC stuff as they digitise the old footage
[10:04] <daubers> mungojerry: That's quite hard when you're talking xxTB of data
[10:04] <DJones> Did anybody hear the report on BBC radio yesterday that 450 episodes of the Dick Barton radio show had been found in the Australian radio archives & the beeb were going to release some of the series/stories on CD later in the year
[10:04] <dwatkins> daubers: ah I see, I used to work with them occasionally, they have quite a large video editing suite also, as you are no-doubt aware
[10:04] <hazrpg> Question, do I need to put my PGP onto my e-mails to the mailing list?
[10:04] <daubers> dwatkins: Yup :)
[10:04] <AlanBell> hazrpg: no
[10:04]  * mungojerry is pleased to report that gwibber memory leak issues seem to have improved
[10:05] <hazrpg> gdgd
[10:05]  * hazrpg has just realised this might not work since my e-mail is just a forward to another e-mail address
[10:05] <bigcalm> Improved? It now leaks more memory than ever before?
[10:06] <dwatkins> just in case you wanted to test your RAM...
[10:06]  * daubers goes and finds the electric screwdriver to finish putting disks in caddies
[10:06] <mungojerry> gwibber used to swallow 1gb in 24 hrs
[10:07] <mungojerry> now after 20hrs or so , virt 229m  res 80m
[10:07] <mungojerry> UI is still sluggish though :(
[10:07] <Neoti|work> does anyone have any jobs going ... my skills are VoIP, centos, Windows networks, etc ...
[10:08] <dwatkins> reminds me of Platform Computing's cluster manager - it would spit out a couple hundred megabytes of useless log errors a day due to java errors
[10:08] <dwatkins> Neoti|work: any programming?
[10:08] <Neoti|work> PHP, MySQL
[10:08] <MooDoo> Neoti|work: this is on our jobs page - http://jobs.heartinternet.co.uk/
[10:09] <mungojerry> nice job moodoo, where are u based
[10:09] <MooDoo> nottingham
[10:10] <Neoti|work> Humm seems good ...
[10:10] <mungojerry> it's often a struggle to hire good linux guys, not sure why
[10:11] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:11] <Neoti|work> ok im sold "Your choice of OS for your desktop." if i can have my choice of computer and 2 x 22" monitors im yours .... lol moodoo
[10:11] <MooDoo> s-fox: hello :)
[10:12] <MooDoo> Neoti|work: lol
[10:12] <MooDoo> i just posted the link, that's about as much as i'm involved in that side lol
[10:13] <MooDoo> can't believe he's listening to alien breed intro music lol
[10:13] <Neoti|work> moodoo, so you work for them, whats your role ?
[10:14] <MooDoo> Neoti|work: tea boy
[10:14] <Neoti|work> lol.....
[10:15] <AlanBell> in bash how can I find the number of seconds between a timestamp like 01:20:43 and 01:21:32
[10:16] <AlanBell> which is the output of something like "ps -C soffice.bin -o time h" showing the amount of processor time used
[10:16] <AlanBell> high level problem is a process that sometimes spins at %100 CPU forever and needs killing and respawning when it does that
[10:19] <smittix> MooDoo: Not bad thank's and you?
[10:19] <smittix>  /delay heh
[10:20] <dwatkins> AlanBell: time <command>
[10:20] <dwatkins> AlanBell: oh wait, you mean process the text and throw it at the date command with a calculation?
[10:21] <mungojerry> alanbell, with a little perl script
[10:21] <MooDoo> smittix: yeah i'm ok thanks /straightaway ;)
[10:22] <AlanBell> dwatkins: yes, I want a cron job to run every minute and see if that process has used more than say 55 seconds of processor time in the last minute
[10:22] <AlanBell> so it needs to compare cumulative time with the last time it ran
[10:23] <dwatkins> AlanBell: can you not change the output of ps to show it in seconds anyway?
[10:24] <AlanBell> dwatkins: I failed to see that in the man page, but that would make things easier if it can
[10:31] <mungojerry> alanbell, pidstat might also be your friend
[10:32] <mungojerry> e.g pidstat -p <pid> 60
[10:34] <mungojerry> OT: wikipedia is down :(
[10:35] <AlanBell> works here
[10:35] <mungojerry> :(
[10:35] <Ng> it's not down :)
[10:35] <MooDoo> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wikipedia.org
[10:35] <mungojerry> is on a 1gb connection :S
[10:36] <AlanBell> don't think pidstat is going to do it for me :(
[10:36] <mungojerry> boo
[10:37] <dwatkins> silly samba got restarted now my virtual machine has stalled...
[10:37]  * dwatkins tries to forget about it and let it work itself out of its state
[10:42] <andylockran> guys, when did I get kicked from irc ?
[10:42] <andylockran> or disconnected?
[10:43] <dutchie> 16:20:00 -!- andylockran [~andylockr@genesis.zrmt.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
[10:43] <dutchie> i assume yesterday
[10:43] <andylockran> hmm.. very strange
[10:43] <andylockran> thanks
[10:43] <dwatkins> I've noticed my server sometimes kicks me off over night, not been told about any network problems with it, though.
[10:44] <danfish> moarning ubuntu crew :)
[10:44] <MooDoo> morning
[10:45] <danfish> I am venturing into a dark, dark place this afternoon - installing windows 7 on my laptop to do a bios update :(
[10:47] <bigcalm> You have to use windows to do a bios update?
[10:47] <bigcalm> Can't you do it via a usb flash drive?
[10:47] <andylockran> I've got an internal site with horrible css. what's the best script to use in firefox to use my local css against a particular site?
[10:47] <mungojerry> or a livecd?
[10:48] <andylockran> is greasemonkey the right oen?
[10:48] <danfish> bigcalm: have tried and failed. I've not seen a bios updater like it.
[10:48] <bigcalm> :(
[10:49] <mungojerry> danfish sent u a link :P
[10:49] <mungojerry> haven't done it myself but it migt save u wiping data
[10:49] <danfish> thanx - i'll have a look
[10:50] <danfish> clonezilla is at work copying everything right now
[10:50] <mungojerry> i assume u don't have a spare hard drive then
[10:56] <hazrpg> okay, hopefully that message sent successfully :)
[10:57] <DJones> hazrpg: Good first email to the list :)
[10:58] <daubers> mungojerry: I've been quite surprised at the quality of CS graduate candidates we've had here for a couple of job roles. Bit of a damning inditement of the current University system tbh
[10:59] <mungojerry> daubers, i was trying to hire last summer and had to repeat the advertising process due to lack of response!
[10:59] <mungojerry> most applications were illiterate or chancers or no work permit
[10:59] <daubers> mungojerry: We had 3 candidates who couldn't tell me the difference between an interpreted language and a compiled one even though they had CS degree's and I didn't!
[11:00] <MisterSlippery> lol
[11:00] <MisterSlippery> I guess university isn't what it used to be
[11:01] <dwatkins> I'd be more tempted to go back to uni if I thought I'd benefit from it, but I'd just end up being back at the same point I was at about 10 years ago if I did.
[11:01] <dwatkins> i.e. in a new job with little relevant experience
[11:02] <DJones> daubers: I work in accountancy & I've seen similar things in that industry, applicants who had a bit of knowledge after doing a degree, but didn't have the basic understanding & common sense.  Worst case was a guy who didn't understand that a balance sheet should actually balance, but was still given the job because his dad was part owner in the business
[11:02] <daubers> DJones: urgh
[11:02] <MisterSlippery> the old boy network
[11:03] <DJones> daubers: Even worse, he wore Rupert the Bear trousers to work
[11:03] <mungojerry> makes me happier when i see RHCE on their cv tbh
[11:03] <daubers>  /o\
[11:03]  * TheOpenSourcerer just realised that the Ubuntu Rugby Fest, organised by czajkowski is also "Super Saturday". All 3 games on the same afternoon. Could be a long session :-D
[11:04] <czajkowski> yup
[11:04] <czajkowski> I know
[11:04] <daubers> mungojerry: CCNA or CCIE don't mean anything as an FYI :) Met lots of Cisco certified chaps who can't tell the difference between a switch and a router or the difference between a normal switch and a layer 3 one
[11:04] <hazrpg> DJones: guessing it got there ok then :P - was worried since it hadn't bounced my way yet
[11:04] <czajkowski> last match is the one we;re going in for
[11:04] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: I intend to be in for most of the day :D
[11:04] <mungojerry> daubers, also RHCE can be fudged to some extent if you take it twice or get the info off someone
[11:04] <daubers> heh
[11:05] <mungojerry> but i also have a rigorous interview process :)
[11:05] <mungojerry> for sysadmin roles
[11:05] <DJones> hazrpg: Whereabouts in Cumbria are you, I'm down in Cheshire, but occasionally go up to Cumbria in the caravan
[11:05] <hazrpg> DJones: Carlisle
[11:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: I'll probably get there before the first kick off. Maybe even eat something too.
[11:06] <mungojerry> i start them off gentle by some quick fire questions ..it's amazing how many people couldn't tell you the latest kernel version...or even get the 2.6.x bit right
[11:06] <DJones> hazrpg: I've not been up round there yet
[11:06] <hazrpg> MisterSlippery: Hmm, was that uni comment because you read the email?
[11:06] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: that's my plan
[11:06] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: making use of your free pass day :)
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Indeed czajkowski
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Indeed.
[11:06] <hazrpg> DJones: Not surprised, there are some better places in Cumbria than Carlisle :P
[11:06] <MisterSlippery> no, I didn't read the email
[11:07] <screen-x> mungojerry: any tips on interviewing sysadmins? I may have to design an interview process for my replacement..
[11:07] <danfish> bah - you're rubbing it in now TheOpenSourcerer and czajkowski
[11:07] <czajkowski> danfish: :D
[11:07] <hazrpg> MisterSlippery: heh, just wondered noticed the comment about uni - but I'm guessing it was a topic I must have missed somewhere
[11:07] <daubers> screen-x: Still planning on moving this way?
[11:07] <mungojerry> screen-x let me check my list
[11:07] <czajkowski> danfish: we may even tweet it if you're lucky
[11:07] <screen-x> daubers: yep
[11:07] <screen-x> daubers: had estate agents round to take pics yesterday..
[11:07] <DJones> hazrpg: It depends what you're looking for, when I'm away in the van, I've got a dog with me, so all I want are wide open spaces/moors/hills/beaches I can take him for long walks on
[11:07] <daubers> screen-x: \o/
[11:08]  * danfish pokes czajkowski with a jealousy stick ;)
[11:08] <hazrpg> DJones: exactly, doubt you'd get that in Carlisle :P
[11:08] <hazrpg> some nice places around here though
[11:08] <DJones> Heh
[11:09] <czajkowski> danfish: we'll clearly have to do more of these at world cup time
[11:09] <czajkowski> danfish: try and not go to any more conferneces please :)
[11:09] <MisterSlippery> what is screen-x ?
[11:09] <danfish> czajkowski: I know - the world cup should be a cracker and we get to start really early in the morning :D
[11:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/statuses/37830915719827456
[11:10] <czajkowski> danfish: ohhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:10] <czajkowski> danfish: smashing idea, no std events then :p
[11:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Need a pub with a "friendly" landlord.
[11:11] <danfish> czajkowski: that should be an std's for a lifetime
[11:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> My local opened about 07:30 for the Aussie cup when we won it.
[11:11] <czajkowski> danfish: I hope this confenece is worth it mister!
[11:11] <mungojerry> screen-x not sure how that direct message came through to u
[11:12] <danfish> czajkowski: nah, it won't be, but having to go through a tick-box exercise for a qualification
[11:12] <czajkowski> danfish: qualification?
[11:12] <screen-x> mungojerry: ahh missed, that will have a look now :)
[11:13] <MisterSlippery> there seems to be a lot of screen-xing going on
[11:13] <danfish> "Diploma in Sexual Health"
[11:14] <screen-x> MisterSlippery: very useful gnu screen command :)
[11:14] <hazrpg> I should really get some shut eye *eye-twitches*
[11:15] <MisterSlippery> I'll have to add it to my speechbot
[11:15] <czajkowski> danfish: ;)
[11:20] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: round to your local during the world cup then ;) AlanBell can provide the eggy breakfasts
[11:21] <AlanBell> yup
[11:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> They did Bacon/Sausage/Egg sarnies
[11:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Washed down with lots of Guiness.
[11:21] <Myrtti> yay! mum got out of the hospital \o/
[11:22] <jussi> \o/
[11:23] <Myrtti> sitting by the bedside was getting a bit tiresome
[11:23] <bigcalm> She tunneled her way out?
[11:24] <Myrtti> no, they let her finally out because the infection seems to be gone. I need to get some antibiotics for her after work
[11:24] <Myrtti> bigcalm: belated congrats, btw.
[11:24] <bigcalm> Myrtti: yay for her :)
[11:24] <bigcalm> Myrtti: and thank you :)
[11:25] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: the breakfast of champions (though not Ireland of course coz they've no chance)
[11:25] <danfish> bigcalm: ditto congrats to you :)
[11:25] <MooDoo> danfish: +1 :) now wait for the pounding from czajkowski
[11:25] <bigcalm> danfish: thank you :)
[11:28] <dwatkins> ...and now I'm really hungry ;)
[11:29] <screen-x> dwatkins: 31 mins to go..
[11:29] <dwatkins> screen-x: exactly what I was thinking :)
[11:30] <czajkowski> Myrtti: glad to hear she's on the mend
[11:30] <czajkowski> MooDoo: shrup
[11:31] <czajkowski> danfish: I may have to agree
[11:31] <MooDoo> czajkowski: love you too x
[11:31] <andylockran> anyone uses the android emulator?
[11:31] <popey> i have done
[11:31] <popey> not recently tho
[11:32] <directhex> i used the webos emulator recently, does that count?
[11:32] <andylockran> popey: not sure if it's my hardware, but was it quite sluggish for you?
[11:32] <andylockran> *could be my hardware, running a Pentium D...
[11:33] <popey> yes
[11:33] <andylockran> Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz
[11:34] <danfish> andylockran: it also likes a *lot* of RAM
[11:35] <andylockran> danfish: I've got lots of that for it.
[11:40] <Myrtti> czajkowski: well, the basic situation hasn't changed, but atleast the acute worries are gone for now
[11:41] <czajkowski> Myrtti: some good news at least..
[11:43] <bigcalm> Hayley just sent me an email starting "Dear Mr Cuthbertson". So I replied back with "Dear Mrs Cuthbertson". I wonder how she'll react
[11:44] <bigcalm> Add a "(future)" after Dear
[11:45] <popey> add "(current)"
[11:45] <popey> for maximum lols
[11:45] <bigcalm> LOL
[11:45] <bigcalm> Evil
[11:46] <davmor2> popey: I see todays xkcd is just for you :D
[11:46] <czajkowski> popey: evil
[11:46]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[11:46]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski 
[11:48] <andylockran> feel the love
[11:48] <mungojerry> the open parenthesis xkcd comic indeed annoyed me
[11:48] <mungojerry> (
[11:48] <Laney> )
[11:48] <mungojerry> phew
[11:48]  * Laney can breathe again
[11:49]  * mungojerry too
[11:49] <andylockran> does anyone have a tip for a firefox plugin to alter css
[11:49] <andylockran> is greasemonkey the one to use?
[11:49] <popey> hehe
[11:49] <mungojerry> i'm not autistic or superstitious but i find myself avoiding cracks and patterns on flooring
[11:49] <popey> (
[11:49] <mungojerry> )
[11:49] <popey> this is fun
[11:49] <popey> [
[11:49] <bigcalm> Wild About You]
[11:49] <Myrtti> I don't open umbrellas indoors
[11:50] <bigcalm> Where the hell did that text come from?
[11:50] <mungojerry> myrtti thats not mathematical though :P
[11:50] <gord> i don't open umbrellas indoors because i don't know how i would leave the house with an opened one...
[11:50] <MooDoo> i step on cracks, break mirrors, allow black cats to walk in front of me, and eat cheese before bed time :)
[11:50] <Myrtti> mungojerry: no, but neither is avoiding cracks and patterns on flooring
[11:50] <popey> \o/ cheese
[11:50]  * popey checks the topic
[11:50] <mungojerry> http://xkcd.com/245/
[11:51]  * Laney curses +t
[11:51] <Myrtti> roundabouts ♥
[11:51] <Myrtti> you people really love em
[11:51] <davmor2> popey: http://xkcd.com/861/ :D
[11:52] <popey> fail
[11:52] <Laney> yeah that was what i was going to do
[11:52] <popey> hehe
[11:52] <popey> sorry, i thought it truncated something
[11:53] <AlanBell> nah
[11:53]  * mungojerry cries
[11:53] <mungojerry> )
[11:53] <mungojerry> doesn't have channel ops
[11:54]  * popey tests people's OCD by saying "(" in various channels
[11:54] <hazrpg> wow popey do you have like 2 sets of hands!?
[11:54] <davmor2> popey: the topic is of course missing biscuits which as we know are staple diet of the geek
[11:54] <mungojerry> popey i notice ur not on omg channel any more
[11:54]  * hazrpg needs to use TuxType more xD
[11:54] <popey> mungojerry: indeed
[11:54] <mungojerry> that channel kind of died..99% lurkage
[11:54] <popey> got sick of people poking the bot all day long
[11:55] <mungojerry> lol
[11:55] <popey> also, here's a potentially controversial question
[11:55] <mungojerry> ...
[11:55] <popey> \o/ dots
[11:55] <popey> s/question/statement
[11:55] <mungojerry> ellipsis mmm
[11:55] <popey> "The Ubuntu project would not be affected at all if OMG! Ubuntu! shutdown"
[11:55] <mungojerry> hey it's good at creating hype
[11:56]  * Myrtti sees tumbleweeds
[11:56]  * MooDoo agrees with that popey :)
[11:56] <mungojerry> i think omg can be a force for good
[11:56] <Laney> i just like reading the comments every now and again
[11:56] <mungojerry> jorge + jono recently posting on there,
[11:56] <Laney> same reason for reading newspaper websites
[11:57] <MooDoo> yeah but at the end of the day it's just a news website.....there are hundreds more
[11:57] <Myrtti> Laney: for masochistic enjoyment?
[11:57] <mungojerry> i don't think the plan is to muck-rake, maybe the banshee article etc shouldn't have comments enabled
[11:57] <Myrtti> Laney: atleast the Finnish newspaper websites and Daily Fail have extraordinarily suitable readers comments for masochistic personalities to read
[11:58] <hazrpg> I thought omg is doing a good job at promoting ubuntu, however if it ever did disappear - I doubt the community would die as a result of it though - it was there before omg, and I'm sure it'll be there after
[11:58] <Laney> I suggest you try the comments on your local newspaper's website if you enjoy xenophobia
[11:59]  * Laney → lunch
[11:59] <mungojerry> with a few tweaks they could have a great site with less controversy and extreme comments...
[11:59] <Myrtti> NIMBY attitude FTL
[11:59] <MooDoo> hazrpg: it's just a news website nothing more :)
[11:59] <mungojerry> even if a lot of kids read it
[11:59] <hazrpg> MooDoo: agreed
[11:59] <popey> 11:53:16 <@popey> (
[11:59] <popey> 11:54:15 <+alexjs> )
[11:59] <popey> 11:54:30 <@popey> alexjs wins/loses the OCD challenge
[11:59] <popey> 11:54:42 <+alexjs> I waited for as long as I could.
[11:59] <davmor2> popey: Shockingly the ubuntu project managed to survive and grow pre-OMG!Ubuntu so I'd have to agree
[12:00] <mungojerry> however i look at omg before ubuntu planet
[12:00] <mungojerry> and before bbc news
[12:01] <popey> i never visit omg, but have it in my feed reader
[12:01] <mungojerry> i like hearing about apps i never knew existed and am too busy to search for
[12:01]  * mungojerry needs an omgandroid too
[12:03] <hazrpg> mungojerry: pick one, there's many out there dude
[12:03] <hazrpg> mungojerry: http://www.androidtapp.com/ for example
[12:04] <hazrpg> or http://www.androidapps.org/
[12:04] <davmor2> popey: I couldn't live without phoronix though I like that it has info I'm not likely to know about
[12:04] <mungojerry> cheers hazrpg
[12:04] <hazrpg> however I prefer engadget for most things
[12:04] <mungojerry> i am following them on twitter but its a bit spammy
[12:04] <hazrpg> since its more general
[12:05] <mungojerry> so many articles all the time
[12:05] <hazrpg> www.engadget.com
[12:05] <popey> i have engadget in my feed reader
[12:05] <popey> i rarely read phoronix
[12:05] <hazrpg> I use the engadget widget on my android :)
[12:06] <popey> added to google reader now
[12:10] <Myrtti> I've given up reading news from newssites apart from Finnish and local news, and on the rest I trust my network of friends filter the news to me via Twitter/Facebook/Google Reader
[12:10] <Myrtti> has worked pretty well so far
[12:10] <mungojerry> what's the point of knowing that Arnold bloggs in scotland hit his thumb with a hammer anyway?
[12:10] <mungojerry> most non-tech news is depressing
[12:11] <AlanBell> if you are Arnold Bloggs then quite important
[12:11] <mungojerry> then he can facebook it to his friends
[12:11] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[12:11]  * TheOpenSourcerer has just got an extra 250M on dropbox ;-)
[12:11] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone,
[12:11] <mungojerry> i aim not to read too much news , and it generally has a positive effect on me the less i read
[12:12] <mungojerry> you still get to hear stuff anyway
[12:12] <hazrpg> popey: added which?
[12:12] <mungojerry> a brief scan of bbc and google news gives you the outline of important stuff
[12:12] <Myrtti> I heard from an indoor painter once about a fire in my apartment building three days after it happened. The fire had consumed the whole apartment, I didn't know because I didn't read local news
[12:13] <hazrpg> brobostigon: \o hey dude
[12:13] <brobostigon> hazrpg: hey, :)
[12:13] <mungojerry> myrtti i'd argue that local news is more important the national news. at least you can make a difference if you need to
[12:14] <andylockran> can make a difference to national news too
[12:15] <Myrtti> yeah well, I was asked to run for the parliament
[12:15] <Myrtti> so yeah, in theory...
[12:15] <gord> i stopped paying attention to local or national news a long time ago, depressing - tech news only for me
[12:15] <mungojerry> gord i am towards that, but often it's the sports news that sucks me in
[12:16] <gord> sports is the thing where people run around a lot and ultimately, accomplish nothing right?
[12:16] <mungojerry> making some people happy in the process, others sad, but ultimately everyone sad
[12:16] <hazrpg> gord: my thoughts exactly xD
[12:17] <mungojerry> with fleeting happy bits
[12:17]  * mungojerry is gonna be very happy or sad tonight
[12:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Any handset hackers. This is interesting: http://eetimes.eu/en/st-ericsson-launches-the-igloo-open-source-community.html?cmp_id=7&news_id=222905920&vID=209#
[12:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's a cool board. Dual Core ARM9, HDMI Out.
[12:19] <AlanBell> $200
[12:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice.
[12:19] <gord> nice, someone slap a display on it and put it in a cardboard box with a keyboard, you got yourself a netbook
[12:21] <AlanBell> I see an ubuntu logo on the datasheet
[12:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> There is.
[12:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.calao-systems.com/articles.php?lng=en&pg=5940 last item.
[12:24] <MisterSlippery> Nice
[12:25] <MisterSlippery> Can you install ubuntu on any of those?
[12:26] <MisterSlippery> I know ARM5 support is lacking, but not sure about ARM9
[12:26] <AlanBell> MisterSlippery: not easily
[12:26] <AlanBell> and on most of the little boards there isn't enough memory
[12:27] <mungojerry> http://www.calao-systems.com/articles.php?lng=en&pg=6186 seems beefy though
[12:28] <brobostigon> a very slimmed down debian, or android might work.
[12:29] <MisterSlippery> Probably Debian would install
[12:29] <brobostigon> there probebly is a debian arm port, aswell.
[12:30] <mungojerry> the ZT systems server runs on A9
[12:32] <hazrpg> right, off for a nap... catch ya all later
[12:34] <brobostigon> bye hazrpg
[12:34] <hazrpg> brobostigon: toodles o/
[12:35]  * brobostigon gets hazrpg a bear to cuddle with while sleeping.
[12:36] <hazrpg> brobostigon: \o/
[12:36] <brobostigon> hazrpg: :)
[12:36]  * hazrpg stares at his collection of penguins
[12:37]  * davmor2 wonders if the penguins are staring back at hazrpg just as intently 
[12:37] <brobostigon> :)
[12:38] <hazrpg> ^^
[12:38] <hazrpg> they followed me...
[12:38] <hazrpg> people always seem to get me penguins for my birthday/xmas presents
[12:39] <hazrpg> ...not that I'm complaining
[12:39] <hazrpg> right anyways, laterz
[12:40] <brobostigon> bye hazrpg
[12:42] <hazrpg> why do I get the feeling my ubuntu-uk folder is going to be full when I wake up xD
[12:42] <hazrpg> o/
[13:16] <DJones> daubers: After the comments on degree's earlier, this is quite funny http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/16/graduate_sues_university/
[13:17] <daubers> DJones: Is that the OXILP thing?
[13:17] <daubers> Oh, no a different one :)
[13:18] <DJones> university of bradford
[13:18] <daubers> DJones: I hear about this one http://www.thelawyer.com/student-sues-oxilp-for-%C2%A3100000/1006833.article every day, as my Mrs is studying there at the moment
[13:18] <mungojerry> djones, i was just reading that
[13:19] <daubers> Generally it's the "I screwed up by not doing any work and now want to try and blame someone else and get my money back" tack taken in those cases
[13:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Chequebooks out guys: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00029.html
[13:20] <mungojerry> had a little LOL to my self at that.
[13:20] <mungojerry> which is a bit of an oxymoron
[13:20]  * daubers screwed up at Uni and knows it
[13:21] <mungojerry> uni was a long time ago now, but i still dream about it. weird
[13:21] <DJones> There seems to be a lot of that going around, so many people blaming somebody else for their own failings
[13:22] <mungojerry> i work at a uni and the threat of litigation is growing exponentially
[13:22] <MisterSlippery> it's what happens when money gets involved
[13:23] <mungojerry> i call it the x-factor disease
[13:23] <MisterSlippery> if students are consumers paying a high price for a service, they want value for money
[13:24] <mungojerry> in this generation kids have been brought up by their parents who have told them they are the best thing in the world, and they can achieve anything if they put their mind to it. then you see them auditioning for shows and clearly cannot sing but all their mates have said that they are brilliant
[13:24] <MisterSlippery> they expect the university to "do what it says on the tin"
[13:24] <mungojerry> exams are designed to make you fail. i wish i learned that earlier in life
[13:25] <mungojerry> you have to deal with failure at some point
[13:25] <MisterSlippery> but you don't expect a service provider to reject you if you're bankrolling them
[13:25] <mungojerry> yeah
[13:25] <mungojerry> and 9k/year is almost what they spend on fags too
[13:26]  * mungojerry gets down from soapbox
[13:26] <DJones> Turning that around though, would you expect a service provider to supply you with a product if you don't do what you need to to/comply with with the requirements to getthe product
[13:27] <MisterSlippery> well if you pay for a product you expect it to be delivered
[13:29] <BigRedS> Is this still uni we're talking about?
[13:29] <DJones> With an exam though, aren't you paying for the tuition & the opportunity to sit the exam, whether you get the grade you want isn't something the university has any control of, not necessarily to be given the qualification just because you've sat through the lectures & turned up for the exam
[13:30] <BigRedS> I've always thought you pay for access to the resources at uni, including lectures. It's up to you to make use of them
[13:30]  * popey donates to the libre office thing
[13:30] <brobostigon> BigRedS: i would agree, with that.
[13:33] <MooDoo> popey: thing? project?
[13:38] <popey> MooDoo: the link TheOpenSourcerer posted earlier
[13:38] <popey> 13:19:32 < TheOpenSourcerer> Chequebooks out guys: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00029.html
[13:42] <gord> interesting, not something i personally would donate to, but interesting
[13:57] <screen-x> is there a standard way of finding the expiry date for a domain?
[13:58] <daubers> whois?
[13:58] <popey> whois <domain>
[13:58] <screen-x> daubers: yah, but the output format is non standard
[13:58] <popey> i have a script somewhere that parses the various ways in which the expiry can be shown
[13:59] <daubers> screen-x: Waiting for the domain renewal spam tends to work too
[13:59] <screen-x> daubers: heh, wanted to automate some checking..
[13:59] <screen-x> popey: if you could find a copy, that would be useful :)
[13:59] <BigRedS> https://github.com/BigRedS/avi-utils/blob/master/whos
[13:59] <BigRedS> is what I use to do it
[14:00] <screen-x> thanks BigRedS
[14:00] <BigRedS> It's a really easy way to get blocked by a whois server, though :)
[14:01] <BigRedS> I keep meaning to add an optional sleep thing. I wrote it when I had ~200 domains to go through
[14:35]  * mungojerry just swapped a 6u beast of a server for a 0u vm :)
[14:36] <screen-x> mungojerry: :)
[14:36] <mungojerry> that had the carbon footprint of a yeti
[14:36] <screen-x> probably worse..
[14:36] <screen-x> unless you mean a skoda yeti..
[14:37] <mungojerry> and the trees of the field shall clap their hands
[14:37]  * screen-x tries to kick the double period habbit.
[14:40] <MattJ> What's a double period?
[14:40] <screen-x> 14:36 < screen-x> probably worse..
[14:40] <screen-x>                                      ^^
[14:41] <screen-x> missed
[14:41] <davmor2> haha!
[14:42] <MattJ> screen-x: it's a full-stop, and a double-full-stop is an "aspiring ellipsis"
[14:42] <screen-x> ok then :)
[14:42] <screen-x> and \o/ Jabber
[14:42] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[14:42] <BigRedS> MattJ: is that the actual term for it?
[14:42] <mungojerry> in my last company, an ellipsis on a line all by itself would truncate email below that point
[14:42] <MattJ> BigRedS: It is now
[14:43] <BigRedS> MattJ: haha
[14:43] <BigRedS> It's a better term than my 'two-thirds of an ellipsis'
[14:43] <mungojerry> also known as parent directory
[14:44] <MattJ> mungojerry: broken SMTP servers == yay :)
[14:44] <mungojerry> i can't remember the cause now...maybe the mail disclaimer fudge in postfix
[14:52]  * mungojerry has a problem where he binges on irc for 2 days and then decides to stop for a month
[14:52] <screen-x> heh, I have that problem, without the stopping for a month
[15:14] <andylockran> hey guys
[15:15] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/422966/
[15:15] <andylockran> that's my current method of connection to MySQL with python.. but it's borked
[15:15] <andylockran> anyone point out how. (obvious prolly)
[15:17]  * brobostigon returns
[15:21] <BigRedS> q
[15:21] <BigRedS> oop. wrong window :)
[15:22] <mungojerry> andylockran, can you connect on localhost using mysql -u root -h 127.0.0.1 -u root -p test
[15:23] <andylockran> YESA
[15:23] <andylockran> yes
[15:23] <andylockran> db = MySQLdb.connect(host='127.0.0.1', user='root', passwd='test', db='theclubshop')
[15:23] <andylockran> that works
[15:23] <andylockran> but what I want to do is generate the settings outside the connect string.. so create a connectstirmgh
[15:24] <BigRedS> andylockran: if you just print out the connectstr, is it formed as expected?
[15:25] <andylockran> yeah
[15:25] <mungojerry> i only use php for that kind of stuffs
[15:26] <andylockran> _mysql_exceptions.OperationalError: (2005, "Unknown MySQL server host 'host=127.0.0.1, user=root, passwd=axiom123, db=theclubshop_wolves' (1)")
[15:26] <mungojerry> tried localhost instead of iP?
[15:30] <mungojerry> andylockran, i see a difference between your connstr and the test string
[15:31] <andylockran> sorted ta
[15:31] <andylockran> I had to pass 4 values to connect()
[15:31] <mungojerry> was it the ' '
[15:31] <mungojerry> yep
[15:31] <andylockran> passing connstr meant that it was only getting 1
[15:32] <andylockran> instead did host=host,user=dbuser,pass=dbpass,db=database
[15:32] <andylockran> which looks silly, but works.
[15:32] <BigRedS> ahhh
[15:32] <BigRedS> ruddy input checking
[15:32] <andylockran> indeed
[15:34] <brobostigon> if i install the arduino IDE via the debian package,where is it picking up its liberies from?
[15:35] <penguin42> which libraries?
[15:35] <brobostigon> ie, where do i put new liberies, which i want sketches to be able to use.
[15:37] <brobostigon> penguin42: i have found a lib i need to add to a sketch, to change the pwm output freq, but i cant work out where to stick it.
[15:38] <penguin42> brobostigon: I don't know arduino stuff, o I don't know it's lib stuff
[15:38] <brobostigon> ok.
[15:42] <siriusly> hi
[15:43] <AlanBell> o/
[15:43] <MooDoo> hi
[15:46]  * brobostigon ask's over in #arduino
[15:48] <dwatkins> I have a hello world to make with my Arduino... maybe I'll make the LED flash with Morse code...
[15:52] <davmor2> dwatkins: you could make a finger pulser that sends the info direct to the brain through nerve induction?
[15:54] <dwatkins> davmor2: that sounds scary
[15:55] <dwatkins> I was thinking more I'll start by having the LED flash with "HELLO WORLD" in Morse as my first sketch, and work my way up from there.
[15:55] <davmor2> dwatkins: I was Joking :D
[15:55] <dwatkins> davmor2: ah good ;)
[16:04] <directhex> i don't know what i'd *do* with something like an arduino
[16:12] <Azelphur> what can I use to check that my microSD card is faulty? I have it plugged in with a usb card reader atm
[16:13] <gord> Azelphur, badblocks
[16:14] <Azelphur> will that wipe it?
[16:15] <Azelphur> My android phone keeps saying things like "Damaged SD card" "SD card damaged. You may have to reformat it." and "Removed SD card" "SD card removed, Insert a new one", dmesg from the phone says http://pastebin.com/xq1TwLK2
[16:15] <Azelphur> so I'm pretty sure it's dead anyway lol
[16:16] <daubers> directhex: I've got a half built arduino thing that will make a siren noise when a file is delete from a given folder on my NAS at home
[16:16] <Azelphur> gord: ^
[16:16] <penguin42> doesn't look a happy card does it
[16:17] <Azelphur> indeed it doesn't :(
[16:17] <Azelphur> it's only 11 months old too, although I did sorta abuse it and use it for...swap
[16:17]  * Azelphur takes cover for the impending slap coming his way :p
[16:17] <directhex> daubers, you've build a pron protection bot! :o
[16:18] <daubers> directhex: Yup \o/
[16:19] <Azelphur> penguin42: I got a dd: reading `/dev/sde': Input/output error while taking a dd image of the entire thing too, and that was via a microsd card reader rather than the phone
[16:19] <mungojerry> can you use an arduino for sensing when people are in a large house via their mobile devices? it could show an LED on or off depending on who's smartphone/laptop is pingable or not
[16:20] <Azelphur> so I suppose I have enough evidence to go for a replacement anyway
[16:20] <popey> Azelphur: sounds broken HTH HAND
[16:20] <Azelphur> HTH HAND?
[16:20] <popey> Hope That Helps
[16:20] <popey> Have A Nice Day
[16:21] <penguin42> do sd's having anything like smart?
[16:21] <Azelphur> haha :D
[16:21] <popey> :)
[16:21] <popey> tbh I doubt the swap killed it
[16:21] <directhex> daubers, i think i'd get a netduino, for easier programmings
[16:21] <popey> probably just a cheap / crap sdhc
[16:22]  * popey is looking forward to going home time
[16:22]  * popey has a 1TB drive for his laptop \o/
[16:22]  * mungojerry is staying late toinght
[16:22] <daubers> directhex: I've considered getting one of those to play with
[16:22] <Myrtti> blaa
[16:22] <mungojerry> popey, how much $££
[16:22] <maco2> popey:  wowzers
[16:22] <mungojerry> i just bought a 500gb and nearly filled it already
[16:23] <popey> 74 quid
[16:23] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/192247
[16:23] <popey> just bumped ram up to 8GB so it's "fully loaded" now :)
[16:23] <mungojerry> you still go back to ebuyer?
[16:23] <maco2> and its a 2.5" drive?
[16:23] <maco2> or do you mean an external enclosure thing?
[16:23] <Azelphur> popey: cheap crap? :O I paid £60 for it lol
[16:23] <daubers> directhex: Also considered the other one... an mbed
[16:23] <Azelphur> it's a 16GB Class 6, came recommended by #android when I bought it
[16:23] <mungojerry> i've come to the conclusion that all ebuyer stock is shonky
[16:23] <penguin42> Azelphur: youch - what brand?
[16:24] <gord> i won't buy drives less than 1tb these days, i'll only go and use up anything thats smaller
[16:24] <Azelphur> penguin42: Transcend, http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001PLIG5Y/ref=wms_ohs_product_
[16:24] <popey> maco2: internal disk
[16:24] <popey> heh
[16:24] <Azelphur> when I bought it last year it was £59.73
[16:25] <penguin42> popey: I've got 8GB in this - very nice; very rarely get it to swap; only way I've really managed it is playing with fractal 3d models
[16:25] <popey> hehe
[16:25] <daubers> popey: What brand 1TB ooi?
[16:25] <gord> i really love grabbing a maximised window from the panel on my left monitor and dragging it in to the panel on my right :) such a nice natural feeling
[16:26] <daubers> Oh, missed the ebuyer link
[16:26] <Azelphur> gord: indeed, are you using compiz?
[16:26] <gord> Azelphur, unity
[16:26] <Azelphur> ah :)
[16:26] <daubers> the WD 1TB 2.5" drives are the ones we use in our portable raids
[16:26] <Azelphur> compiz can do that, it's just buggy
[16:26] <mungojerry> azelphur: http://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Transcend-microSDHC-Memory-adapter-TS16GUSDHC6/product/B001PLIG5Y
[16:26] <gord> right no, thats not what i mean, i mean the window title bar thing, it goes inside the panel, so its sort of like the panel is the title bar
[16:26] <popey> daubers: see link
[16:26] <daubers> popey: I saw :)
[16:27] <gord> so you grab the "panel" pull it down, gets unmaximised, drag it in to the panel on the right hand screen and it gets maximised there
[16:27] <daubers> 16:26 < daubers> Oh, missed the ebuyer link
[16:27] <popey> so you did
[16:27] <daubers> :
[16:27] <daubers> stupd keyboard
[16:27] <daubers> :)
[16:27] <Azelphur> mungojerry: I already got a class 10 16GB to replace it for £30 :)
[16:27] <mungojerry> wowzer
[16:27] <Azelphur> if I can get the warranty, I'll give my class 6 to my brother
[16:28] <Azelphur> so I'm back to fastest/largest again now
[16:28] <Azelphur> :D
[16:39] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/fr92wVNB gonna send this to the seller, sound good?
[16:39] <Azelphur> lol oops, wrong url :P
[16:39] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/HDrqE1UE there we go
[16:40] <diplo> Will the retailer understand linux commands ?
[16:41] <diplo> Might be worth explaining ?
[16:41] <Azelphur> no idea, but reading the output from dmesg is fairly straight forward
[16:41] <Azelphur> Anyone with a reasonable amount of sense can understand 300 lines of "I/O error" spam
[16:42] <maco2> only if they know what I/O means
[16:43] <Azelphur> even if they don't there's still the "Damaged SD card" errors from android that should make sense :P
[16:43] <Azelphur> there's a simple and advanced explanation, they can take their pick xD
[16:46] <Myrtti> boo boo headache go away boo boo headache go away
[16:55]  * dwatkins heads off wishing Myrtti well on the way
[17:05] <Pendulum> Myrtti: *hugs* I'll 2nd that
[18:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Im not a Mac fan. But& - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/02/16/im-not-a-mac-fan-but/
[18:05] <directhex> tony considering a mac, yet *i'm* the one who hates freedom? tsk
[18:28] <gord> spent the past half hour writing an addon for xbmc, it now works but i can say with full confidence that i never want to write an xbmc addon ever again
[18:39] <directhex> gord, joyous C?
[18:43] <BigRedS> I'm sure there's a way to ask Apt why it particularly wants to install a package, but I can't remember what it is
[18:43] <BigRedS> anyone know?
[18:43] <BigRedS> sort-of apt-cache policy, but only displaying installed packages
[18:44] <dutchie> aptitude why?
[18:44] <BigRedS> aha!
[18:45] <BigRedS> yes, cheers dutchie !
[18:46] <dutchie> np
[18:47] <gord> directhex, no its in python, but its a really old version compiled in (2.4) so i had to port the json porter from 2.6 to 2.4, and then instead of having an actual plugin system it basically just executes your python file sending information as arguments...
[18:48] <gord> and then debugging is a matter of tailing a log file because nothing gets printed to stdout
[18:48] <directhex> sounds Enterprise(tm)
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> directhex: ctrl+shift+u 2122<space> -> ™
[18:58] <dutchie> or <compose> t m
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: you have a compose key?
[18:58] <dutchie> i have it mapped to left alt+shift
[18:58] <dutchie> ™
[19:00] <jpds> MartijnVdS: → please.
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> jpds: ♥
[19:00] <daubers> Evening
[19:02] <dutchie> lo daubers
[19:49] <Azelphur> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/16/1655209/Dual-core-Smartphone-Runs-Android-and-Ubuntu
[19:49] <Azelphur> :O
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu? On a phone?
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> talk about useless ;)
[19:52] <dogmatic69> lol
[19:52]  * BigRedS nearly had Debian on his G1
[19:53]  * jacobw wonders whether he can have Debian on his shiny new Nexus One
[19:53] <jacobw> s/One/S
[19:53] <UbuntuBhoy> yeah, I had it on the Hero
[19:53] <jacobw> it wouldn't work without a physical keyboard would it?
[19:53] <UbuntuBhoy> yeah it does
[19:56]  * jacobw disappears in puff of smoke
[19:57] <Azelphur> I was trying to get Ubuntu on my DZ
[19:57] <Azelphur> but my MicroSD failed :(
[19:57] <UbuntuBhoy> no luck
[19:57] <Azelphur> got a new MicroSD card arriving tomorrow in theory ready for round 2 :)
[19:59] <UbuntuBhoy> how much you pay, and what size
[19:59] <Azelphur> £30 16GB Class 10
[19:59] <UbuntuBhoy> there was a shop on ebay doing a 16G class 10 for £19.99
[20:00] <Azelphur> yea but that's unbranded crap
[20:00] <penguin42> Azelphur: As opposed to your branded one that just fell to bits?
[20:00] <Azelphur> penguin42: haha, it's got warranty
[20:00] <Azelphur> and I managed to dd it, so I should be ok
[20:16] <daubers> c++ makes my brain go mushy :(
[20:17]  * penguin42 is kind of OK until hairy templating comes out
[20:21] <daubers> I also have to control my rage for wanting to murder people who use do..while. Does my head in with the logic at the end of the statement
[20:27] <penguin42> daubers: shrug, that's perfectly normal
[20:34] <Azelphur> Daviey: haha, I felt the need to retweet your hate of skype :p
[20:34] <daubers> penguin42: Makes code look like it was written by Yoda
[20:35] <Azelphur> got my mum an android phone so she could use skype, Skype for android is broken on certain phones (Aka the one I got for her) \o/
[20:35] <Azelphur> telling her to use SIP instead though, so not all is ba
[20:35] <Azelphur> d
[20:35] <penguin42> daubers: do { } while loops can make perfect sense for a lot of stuff
[20:36] <daubers> penguin42: But when I'm trying to read and understand I have to scroll down the code all the way to the end of the loop to find out the conditions
[20:36] <penguin42> daubers: Yeh but it makes sense if the condition only gets evaluated after the filling of the loop
[20:37] <daubers> Hmmmm
[20:37] <penguin42> daubers: There's no point in checking to see if you've got there before you've set off
[20:37] <penguin42> daubers: And anyway, it's easy enough as long as your editor can go to matching }
[20:37] <daubers> Hmmmmm
[20:37] <daubers> not convinced is /me
[20:38] <penguin42> daubers: concentrate hard and the power of the source will reveal itself
[20:39] <daubers> struggling to cope with compiled languages again as it is
[20:43] <ali1234> Azelphur: n900 is the best phone for skype
[20:44] <Azelphur> lol
[20:44] <Azelphur> I'm finally free of the evils of skype, I got my last couple contacts on it a couple days before the android problems started
[20:44] <Azelphur> so I was like /point /laugh
[20:46] <ali1234> well it is probably the best phone for sip too but i don't know a single person who uses it
[20:48] <Neoti> hi all...
[20:48] <Neoti> im pissed off wit the Centos room now ...
[20:48] <Neoti> i asked a simple Q and i just got stupid comments back ...
[20:48] <Neoti> this is so why open source and linux gets a bad rep!!!
[20:48] <ali1234> hahaha
[20:49] <popey> :)
[20:49] <popey> evening all
[20:49] <penguin42> so ask in the RHEL room instead :-)
[20:49]  * AlanBell tries to think of a silly comment and fails
[20:49] <ali1234> penguin42: AHHAHAHAHAHA
[20:49] <AlanBell> evening popey
[20:49]  * popey notes Ubuntu needs a restore option like time machine
[20:49] <Neoti> i simply asked :Thanks... "zip -r zipfile /folder/*" worked... now i need to use the date as the file name ? anyideas ?
 Neoti: ##Linux for linux-101 questions, please.
[20:49] <penguin42> it is pretty much 101
[20:49] <ali1234> Neoti: backquotes
[20:49] <Neoti> and i get stupid comments and unhelpful advice like this
[20:50] <penguin42> Neoti: zip -r myzipfile`date`
[20:50] <penguin42> but that's a bit raw
[20:50] <popey> i just put a brand new disk in the mac, booted off the dvd and it let me restore from my most recent (or any) backup
[20:50] <Neoti> see this is why i prefer this room.... !!! Thanks guys
[20:51] <penguin42> popey: If you remember the phrase 'it should just work' it wouldn't be a bad one to code by
[20:51] <popey> well
[20:51] <popey> we dont even have a tool that doesnt work :)
[20:53] <Neoti> penguin42 : that command just gives filename2Wed.zip
[20:53] <ali1234> because date by default outputs a date with spaces in it
[20:53] <Neoti> i would like if possible Day month year etc
[20:55] <ali1234> you want dates like 20100216
[20:55] <ali1234> because then they sort properly
[20:55] <penguin42> oh I forgot zip is shit with names
[20:55] <penguin42> it would work for tar or any sane command
[20:56] <popey> zip -r myfile`date +%Y%m%d`
[20:56] <popey> gives 20110216
[20:56] <ali1234> heh, i forgot it is 2011
[20:56]  * penguin42 reminds ali1234 which year it is
[20:58] <Neoti> thank popey i will give it a try ...
[20:59] <DJones> Neoti: I think if I'd gotten an answer like that from a channel, I'd have just said ok, if you don't know the answer don't worry about it :)
[20:59] <Neoti> yep thats why i wanted ...
[21:00] <ali1234> DJones: sarcastic politeness always a winner :)
[21:00] <Neoti> yes i did not know the answer, but, the person should not have come out with go reed linux 101,,, should have at least helped like popey just did, which i am greatful for Thanks popey...
[21:00] <popey> to be fair he just directed you to a channel where you may have got the right answer
[21:00] <popey> *shrug*
[21:01] <ali1234> ##linux isn't exactly friendly either
[21:01] <popey> oh?
[21:01] <ali1234> well, not last time i was there
[21:01] <ali1234> it's pretty much full of people who built their own distro (hence why theyare not in a distro specific channel)
[21:01] <DJones> I'd agree with ali1234 there, the only times I've gone in #linux, it was something of a trollpit
[21:02] <popey> :(
[21:02] <DJones> maybe trollpit is a bit harsh, but they weren't happy with basic questions, they pretty much wanted people to be experts before joining
[21:03] <Neoti> its like saying they expect you to be born with the knowledge!!!!
[21:03] <ali1234> not really
[21:03] <Neoti> what happend to learning !!!
[21:03] <popey> a fine question
[21:04] <BigRedS> Especially with the missing e and extraneous !s :)
[21:04] <Neoti> lol
[21:04] <BigRedS> gotta say, though, I'd never thought to look for a #linux channel
[21:05] <ali1234> doesn't ubuntu have a specific bash tutorial somewhere?
[21:06] <BigRedS> there's an intro to using the shell on the wiki
[21:06] <ali1234> yeah that's very basic though, doesn't cover this sort of stuff
[21:06] <BigRedS> I missed the question :)
[21:07] <BigRedS> tldp does have a bunch on bash, but I think it starts a fair bit less basic than the ubuntu one finishes
[21:07] <ali1234> BigRedS: the answer was "use backquote", neither of the guides on ubuntu wiki cover that
[21:07] <BigRedS> Ahh, IBM used to have a series on that sort of thing, neat little bashisms
[21:08] <ali1234> the funny thing about ##linux is even though it's full of "experts", whenever i go there, they don't know the answer to my questions :)
[21:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Is there anything on telly? I'm brain dead now - OpenERP and Enterprise Processes & Workflows... Hmmm.
[21:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh, Masterchef.
[21:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> TTFN
[22:27] <PaulGit> Does anybody know how to change the Ubuntu remote desktop name that is broadcast, i.e. the name 'fred's remote desktop on conputer-name'?
[22:28] <bigcalm> PaulGit: edit /etc/hostname
[22:28] <Azelphur> sudo hostname newname
[22:28] <Azelphur> iirc
[22:29] <PaulGit> Azelphur: that contains the hostname i.e. computer-name in my example, I want to change the rest of the message that seems to be broadcast
[23:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Global Jam: First Update - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/16/ubuntu-global-jam-first-update/
[23:35] <brobostigon-g1> Evening everyone
[23:40] <Azelphur> brobostigon-g1: what client you using? :D
[23:40] <brobostigon-g1> Andchat
[23:40] <Azelphur> brobostigon-g1: try out yaaic it's open source :D
[23:41] <brobostigon-g1> Azelphur: I will try that. Thank you.
[23:41] <Azelphur> :)
[23:41] <brobostigon-g1> :)
[23:41] <Azelphur> the developer is nice too, talked to him a couple times on IRC and sent him a 10 euro donation :P
[23:41] <brobostigon-g1> Cool
[23:41] <brobostigon-g1> That's good
[23:43]  * brobostigon-g1 gets everyone a welsh whisky
[23:47] <brobostigon-g1> Azelphur: what is the gui like?
[23:47] <Azelphur> brobostigon-g1: quite nice
[23:49] <brobostigon-g1> Damn, it just spontaniously disconnected. :(
[23:52] <JamesTait> brobostigon-g1: netsplit I think.
[23:52] <JamesTait> Or not.
[23:52] <JamesTait> I should check the timestamps on my backlog.
[23:52] <brobostigon-g1> JamesTait: it might have been my client here, I am not sure.
[23:53] <popey> 23:48:27 -!- brobostigon-g1 [~pmt@92.14.169.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:53] <brobostigon-g1> There.
[23:53] <brobostigon-g1> :(
[23:56] <brobostigon-g1> Andchat fail.
[23:56] <brobostigon-g1> I will try what Azelphur suggests.
[23:57] <Azelphur> :D
[23:58] <brobostigon-g1> Bbl