[00:00] popey: ooo, its your birthday soon? [00:02] still can't believe #cumbria_lug is dead [00:02] <_SPT_> Any one know of any Ubuntu groups/meetings in the staffordshire area? [00:04] _SPT_: http://www.staffslug.org.uk/ <== [00:04] _SPT_: just google around for the, type in "Staffordshire LUG" and see what you get [00:04] LUG = Linux User Group [00:05] <_SPT_> thanks [00:07] _SPT_: they got a channel here on freenode too #staffslug [00:07] _SPT_: seems active too, currently 60 people in there [00:07] <_SPT_> just going to popin now [00:08] ah wait, 19 sorry [00:08] but still :) [00:21] would it be mean to make my own Cumbria LUG? [00:21] or just more beneficial to just get people to join Cumbria LUG? [00:23] hazrpg: We have someone from Barrow who comes to ManLUG [00:25] penguin42: yeah I think its because the Cumbrian LUG is pretty much dead [00:26] they've ditched their website for a wiki, and the last proper email on the mailing list archive is months/years ago, there have been one last month and one in november... but mainly job adverts [00:27] kinds sucks [00:31] hazrpg: yeah, april [00:32] heck, you do look forward to them don't you [00:34] ? [00:34] popey: awesome :) [00:35] April is ages away [00:47] hazrpg: when I was there, it was completely fragmented. there was a furness lug, and a westmorland lug .. [00:47] it was all pretty much 3 guys in a pub unless you got on the train [00:47] how big is westmorland exactly? [00:47] (says he never having heard of it) [00:48] I'm really not sure. I think it's just kendal & associated villages [00:48] kinda like furness, it's just enough tiny towns / villages pooled together enough to have their own newspaper [00:49] heh [00:49] * penguin42 knows of kendal, just not the westmorland bigger chunk [00:49] /pool \o/ [00:50] cumbria's strange because it's got a huge gap with nil population in the middle [00:50] so you've got barrow, whitehaven/workingston, carlisle and kendal in each corner [00:51] and they act like completely separate places because they've got this wall between them [00:51] so a 'cumbria lug' just doesn't end up working [00:52] (unless everyone wants to drive an hour to meet at a farm in the middle) [00:55] from barrow it is easier (and probably quicker) to get on a train to manchester than carlisle. 01228 & 9 are split by a national park [00:59] I just remember that when I was in barrow, the local lug were in a pub in the middle of nowhere. decidedly not public-transport friendly [01:00] I seem to remember getting a train to somewhere up in the lakes and realising that the place I actually fancied going was on the opposite side of it, of which there was a bus every one or two hours - in the summer only, if you're lucky [01:02] oops [01:03] just accidentally middle clicked in mutt, resulting in pasting of colossal amount of text [01:03] which marked all of my emails as read [01:04] heh, yeah a lot of the lakes is like that [01:04] either tourist-season services, or services that are timed to get people to sellafield & back, so your transportation plans revolve around their shift patterns [01:05] indeed [01:08] it's kinda cute when you make it work. there's a nice pub that brew their own, a short walk from the end of the eskdale railway [01:09] but for anything you'd want to do on a regular basis; either a car, or just get on the train to a real populace [02:50] is there an easy way to backup my PGP/GPG keys I'm about to use for launchpad? [05:44] hazrpg: have you ever used pgp/gnupg before? [05:44] hazrpg: (any questions about gpg, ask me :)) [05:46] MartijnVdS: Nope! [05:46] First time [05:47] managed to get myself linked up on launchpad (considering I've been registered with launchpad since 2006) [05:47] just want to back those GPG/PGP files up just in-case (I do re-installs regularly when I mess something up) [05:49] hazrpg: backing up ~/.gnupg should be sufficient then [05:49] hazrpg: make sure you back it up to a secure location (USB stick in a safe?) [05:50] wait, you saying if I back that folder up and restore it... it'll just popup? [05:51] it should, yes [05:51] don't forget the passphrase though :) [05:51] surely that can't be safe - thought the whole point was that you had to enter your passphrase in to export/import [05:51] ah [05:51] heh :P [05:51] was going to say :P [05:52] hazrpg: the secret key in ~/.gnupg/secring.gpg is encrypted with a symmetrical cypther [05:52] cypher [05:52] and the key for that cypher is (derived from) your passphrase [05:52] winner :) [05:52] so say I backed that up, and then restored that folder back [05:52] now what? [05:52] hazrpg: gpg --list-keys [05:53] hazrpg: gpg --list-secret-keys [05:53] would those ask for all the keys? [05:53] er [05:53] I mean passphrases? [05:53] hazrpg: no, those should list all collected public keys, and all private keys you have [05:53] but say I wanted to use one, it would ask then right? [05:54] hazrpg: doing modifications on the key (gpg --edit-key yourkeyid + save) should ask for a passphrase [05:54] hazrpg: you can check by encrypting a small file to yourself [05:54] woah, I can use the GPG/PGP to encrypt files :O [05:54] * hazrpg liking this even more already [05:55] hazrpg: (gpg -a -se -r your_keyid testfile) [05:56] hazrpg: I have a vim plugin that allows me to say: vim file.gpg, and it'll transparently decrypt on open, and re-encrypt on save [05:56] hazrpg: I use that for my password list :) [05:57] nice [05:57] I use KeyPass for that [05:57] hazrpg: install vim-addon-manager and vim-scripts, then: vim-addons install gnupg [05:57] with mono [05:57] hazrpg: gnupg works everywhere.. mono not always :) [05:58] hazrpg: you can also store your key on a chip card [05:58] hazrpg: http://www.g10code.com/p-card.html [06:00] heh that's awesome [06:00] although I don't have a reader on me [06:00] * hazrpg pats self [06:00] I have a Dell keyboard with cardreader :) [06:00] awesome :P [06:00] it can also read other chip cards (credit card manufacturer, phone cards, SIMs etc.) [06:00] wow no way :o [06:00] electronic cash cards :) [06:01] all of which are encrypted, however I'm sure people have worked their way around it [06:01] hazrpg: not easily [06:01] true [06:01] hazrpg: but cards have an id code, and there's a mapping of id code range <-> card manufacturer [06:02] so you can tell what kind of card is in the slot [06:02] The dutch "chipknip" (electronic cash) system is also secure: read-only commands work fine, but "write" transactions are impossible if you don't have the secret key of a bank [06:03] [Jono Bacon] Live Ubuntu Video Q+A: Every Wednesday - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/16/live-ubuntu-video-qa-every-wednesday/ [06:03] makes sense really [06:03] so I can stick in my chipcard, and see the balance + last few transactions :) [06:04] surely they could just make them usb & save the silly hardware requirement :/ [06:04] shauno: chip cards were invented way before USB [06:05] says that p-card has been supported in gnupg since 2004. we've had usb since then too :) [06:05] shauno: sure, but smart cards are a "known" -- they're easy to take with you (definition of "credit card size" :)) [06:06] aye. I just don't have anything that'll read them [06:06] shauno: they're also more secure than random USB devices from China [06:06] shauno: you can buy a reader from the same people as you buy the card from (kernel-concepts.de) :) [06:06] shauno: they have lots of types [06:06] shauno: also, some laptops come with a smart card slot [06:06] and the readers are just usb devices from china ;) [06:07] shauno: sure, the readers are.. but the readers are just simple "bridges" between PC and card [06:07] they don't know more than the PC (maybe the PIN, if it's a reader that can pin-unlock a card without host intervention) [06:07] (those exist) [06:08] someone should make one in the form-factor of my lacie key, that takes a sim-sized chip [06:08] shauno: now there's an idea :) [06:09] http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=11585 [06:09] shauno: http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/index.php?cPath=1_26 [06:09] I have a couple of these on my keyring. silly price for a usb stick, but I love the form-factor [06:09] http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?cPath=1_26&products_id=133 http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?cPath=1_26&products_id=119 [06:09] shauno: ^ you want those [06:10] yeah. but in a sexier package :) [06:10] they have openstreetmap reflective vests 8-| [06:10] http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?products_id=134 [06:11] my 'key' is about 2/3rds the thickness of a normal usb plug. and key-shaped. makes it very convenient on a keyring [06:11] instead of having huge chunks of plastic hanging off [06:12] shauno: well.. be the first to market :) [06:12] heh [06:13] I think my work laptop has a card reader. but nothing I have at home [06:13] you could probably cut out a key shape from a normal smart card [06:14] you'd still lack the reader tho. being able to punch out a sim card is easy enough as far as the card goes [06:15] the card's the easy bit. a reader that's thought-free to take with me is the bridge [06:15] shauno: get laptop with card reader built in :) [06:15] give up my macs for some bulky dell? nevar! [06:18] shauno: put ~/.gnupg on your usb stick [06:19] only problem will be possible key stealing by systems you stick your key into :) [06:19] my .ssh lives on it already [06:20] I don't go sticking my key in random machines tho. too young for children. [06:21] it just makes sure a stolen laptop isn't the end of the world :) [06:25] man I hate organising emails... and sorting through them - always a time consuming process :/ [06:44] that's what procmail is for :) === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [07:38] hello guys [07:38] i need help [07:38] how can i configure proxy over a proxy === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [07:44] morning all [07:45] Meauning. [07:45] phonex01: you might want to add a bit more detail, I have no idea what you are trying to do [07:46] ok o [07:46] ok ok [07:46] listen [07:47] i'm forced to use a proxy in my university and i want to use outside proxy , so when i configure the proxy settings i put the setting for the universtiy proxy , but where i have to put the outside proxy settings [07:47] i think its called tunnling [07:49] do you unerstand me AlanBell ? [07:51] plz help ! [07:52] and you are using Ubuntu? [07:52] yes [07:52] ubuntu 10.10 [07:52] can i use some package that can help in Tunneling ? [07:52] like httptunnling ? [08:02] dunno, quite a reasonable question, it should be possible [08:02] if the internal proxy is a socks proxy you could use tsocks and then in firefox the regular proxy settings for the external proxy [08:03] hello all [08:03] there might be a firefox extension somewhere that will do it [08:03] morning MooDoo [08:10] what is tsocks ? [08:10] !info tsocks [08:10] tsocks (source: tsocks): transparent network access through a SOCKS 4 or 5 proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8beta5-9.1 (maverick), package size 269 kB, installed size 660 kB [08:11] you tell it where your internal proxy is, then run "tsocks firefox" and it will tunnel firefox through the first proxy without firefox knowing about it [08:14] Morning all [08:18] morning [08:26] AlanBell: firefox is a bad example, because it knows how to speak socks4/5 itself :) [08:29] good morning folks [08:30] MartijnVdS: the point is to get through two proxies [08:30] ah [08:30] * MartijnVdS is too used to ssh -D :) [08:46] o/ [08:47] smittix: hello :) [08:48] Aloha [08:48] morning czajkowski hugs [08:49] Morning [08:51] MooDoo: boo [08:51] czajkowski: aaaaaaaaaaarrrrggghhhhh [08:51] hiya [08:58] Eben Moglen at fosdem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNaIji_3xBE [09:00] Arrrgghh. Why when using Excel does my brain still keep trying to tell my fingers to use /fs to save files, anyone would think I was back in the early 1980's using Lotus 123 [09:02] excel does strange things to most people. you're lucky your affliction is almost logical :) [09:03] shauno: Yeah, surprisingly it still works though [09:12] MooDoo: Hi :) [09:13] smittix: how are you? === andatche_ is now known as andatche [09:22] morning :) === gmb` is now known as gmb [09:28] shauno: if you don't mind you might have to teach me how to use that at some point dude :) [09:29] AlanBell: Woot! I made myself a PGP/GPG (whatever its called!) key and hooked up to launchpad/ubuntu keyserver finally :D! And even clicked to join the ubuntu-uk group, thing... lol [09:30] Still need to make me a wiki at some point ^^ [09:30] yay [09:31] I thought, since I've been registered on launchpad for years nows... might as well make it official :P [09:40] morning all [09:40] good morning! [09:40] hey popey [09:40] morning [09:40] morning [09:41] Hello, hello! [09:41] hey MooDoo, i added u on msn last night ... [09:41] Neoti|work: did you? [09:41] Morning [09:42] yeah ... was just looking for fellow ubuntu'ers in my area etc .... [09:42] morning daubers [09:42] Neoti|work: not had any requests.....:S strange.... [09:42] humm .... i use empathy ... of cuase ... lol ... and sent it through there ... [09:43] Neoti|work: well i'm using empathy at the moment, can you try again? [09:45] * daubers finishes coffee #1 [09:46] daubers: 1?? it's nearly 10....sureley you mean 15? [09:46] MooDoo: Nope, been so busy this morning forgot to make it till about 20 minutes ago [09:46] * screen-x finishes last night's pizza [09:46] daubers: lol [09:46] screen-x: yum [09:46] OOooh... processors might be being delivered! [09:47] * DJones processes daubers [09:47] Syntax error [09:47] Good morning peoples :) [09:47] Morning bigcalm [09:48] bigcalm: morning [09:49] MooDoo sent again [09:49] Neoti|work: hmmm strange, i've not had any requests [09:50] * screen-x wonders who Neoti|work is sending requests to.. [09:50] screen-x: me :) [09:50] yah, but if you arent getting them.. [09:50] screen-x good point ... [09:51] some random stranger lol..... [09:51] screen-x: It'll be easy to find out, just wait and see who reports Neoti|work as a stalker [09:51] LOL DJones [09:51] stupid empathy [09:53] well i sent a message... i hope its gone to Moodoo.... lol [09:53] else i am defo being a stalker today ... [09:53] i got it :) [09:53] in fact stuff it i might just pick some random strange and stalk them for the hell of it ... lol ... JOKE!!!! [09:54] Neoti|work: that's how i roll with facebook, just add everyone and stalk them :) [09:54] * DJones unfriends MooDoo [09:54] LOL [09:55] DJones: haven't started stalking ubuntu people yet, i had an issue with facebook last week and it's lost me about 35 friends [09:55] was it the virus thing moodoo ... [09:55] MooDoo: Ouch, thats not good [09:55] as i did not click it even though loads of people kept sending it me ... [09:55] DJones: it happens every so often, i've left facebook i don't know how many times [09:56] i must be the only one out of my frineds who did not click the link he he [09:56] heh, facebook should be added as a bug ^^ [09:56] MooDoo: it lost you real friends, or facebook people you added? [09:56] dwatkins: facebook people i added, i don't have any real friends ;) [09:56] MooDoo: yeah you do, as evidenced by this channel's logs :) [09:57] you, can't say I've added any ubuntu people on my facebook... [09:57] dwatkins: over the years i've come to regard you lot as people i met :) [09:57] MooDoo: indeed, my friend [09:57] :D [09:57] * MooDoo hugs you all, apart from czajkowski she gets a prod [09:57] think the word is "acquaintances" then :P [09:57] moodoo: red dwarf quote :P [09:58] mungojerry: ssshhhhh people think i'm clever and witty [09:58] As people I've met [09:58] MooDoo: nah, see even I knew that ;) [09:58] Ah, helps if I look up [09:58] * bigcalm goes back to work [09:58] * mungojerry does too :P [09:58] anyway, lets not talk about me all day ;) [09:59] * hazrpg changes topic to "Lets talk about MooDoo all day :)" [09:59] Ooooh, processors, motherboards and SAS expansion kits [09:59] daubers: and arduinos? [09:59] let's talk about NAS baby :) hmmm looks like my second drive is failing :( [09:59] No I just need the other 112 HDD's and and I can finish this build [09:59] i might play some mine craft but dont want to lose a who day .... [09:59] daubers: no small array, then [10:00] dwatkins: Oh dear [10:00] daubers: I'm not following you [10:00] dwatkins: It's 4 seperate arrays in reality, each being 2 chassis with 16 spindles per chassis [10:01] Fun with partition boundaries and RAID definitions [10:01] http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/16/dell-employees-arrested-for-poor-decision-making-skills/ [10:01] ^^ numpties [10:01] though i was caught playing space invaders the other day by the boss and brushed it off as hackers attacking the firewall and being killed LOL ... was funny .... [10:01] dwatkins: I'm still waiting for the other 16 tape drives as well for the cluster of tape servers [10:01] daubers: reminds me of some of the customers I used to support in my previous role [10:01] tape drives worry me [10:02] we don't restore from tape enough...too much faith in them [10:02] dwatkins: This is all for the Beeb [10:02] mungojerry: where I used to work we didn't do practice restores frequently because they were hard and complex.... [10:02] exactamondo [10:03] defeats the point...more of a box ticking exercise, but when there is a disaster u r screwed [10:03] daubers: it's not related to an application currently being rolled-out/tested, by any chance is it? [10:03] dwatkins: Probably not... [10:03] better to rsync offsite [10:03] dwatkins: It's destined for the archives, for their QC stuff as they digitise the old footage [10:04] mungojerry: That's quite hard when you're talking xxTB of data [10:04] Did anybody hear the report on BBC radio yesterday that 450 episodes of the Dick Barton radio show had been found in the Australian radio archives & the beeb were going to release some of the series/stories on CD later in the year [10:04] daubers: ah I see, I used to work with them occasionally, they have quite a large video editing suite also, as you are no-doubt aware [10:04] Question, do I need to put my PGP onto my e-mails to the mailing list? [10:04] dwatkins: Yup :) [10:04] hazrpg: no [10:04] * mungojerry is pleased to report that gwibber memory leak issues seem to have improved [10:05] gdgd [10:05] * hazrpg has just realised this might not work since my e-mail is just a forward to another e-mail address [10:05] Improved? It now leaks more memory than ever before? [10:06] just in case you wanted to test your RAM... [10:06] * daubers goes and finds the electric screwdriver to finish putting disks in caddies [10:06] gwibber used to swallow 1gb in 24 hrs [10:07] now after 20hrs or so , virt 229m res 80m [10:07] UI is still sluggish though :( [10:07] does anyone have any jobs going ... my skills are VoIP, centos, Windows networks, etc ... [10:08] reminds me of Platform Computing's cluster manager - it would spit out a couple hundred megabytes of useless log errors a day due to java errors [10:08] Neoti|work: any programming? [10:08] PHP, MySQL [10:08] Neoti|work: this is on our jobs page - http://jobs.heartinternet.co.uk/ [10:09] nice job moodoo, where are u based [10:09] nottingham [10:10] Humm seems good ... [10:10] it's often a struggle to hire good linux guys, not sure why [10:11] Hello. [10:11] ok im sold "Your choice of OS for your desktop." if i can have my choice of computer and 2 x 22" monitors im yours .... lol moodoo [10:11] s-fox: hello :) [10:12] Neoti|work: lol [10:12] i just posted the link, that's about as much as i'm involved in that side lol [10:13] can't believe he's listening to alien breed intro music lol [10:13] moodoo, so you work for them, whats your role ? [10:14] Neoti|work: tea boy [10:14] lol..... [10:15] in bash how can I find the number of seconds between a timestamp like 01:20:43 and 01:21:32 [10:16] which is the output of something like "ps -C soffice.bin -o time h" showing the amount of processor time used === issyl0 is now known as Guest68733 [10:16] high level problem is a process that sometimes spins at %100 CPU forever and needs killing and respawning when it does that [10:19] MooDoo: Not bad thank's and you? [10:19] /delay heh [10:20] AlanBell: time [10:20] AlanBell: oh wait, you mean process the text and throw it at the date command with a calculation? [10:21] alanbell, with a little perl script [10:21] smittix: yeah i'm ok thanks /straightaway ;) [10:22] dwatkins: yes, I want a cron job to run every minute and see if that process has used more than say 55 seconds of processor time in the last minute [10:22] so it needs to compare cumulative time with the last time it ran [10:23] AlanBell: can you not change the output of ps to show it in seconds anyway? [10:24] dwatkins: I failed to see that in the man page, but that would make things easier if it can [10:31] alanbell, pidstat might also be your friend [10:32] e.g pidstat -p 60 [10:34] OT: wikipedia is down :( [10:35] works here [10:35] :( [10:35] it's not down :) [10:35] http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wikipedia.org [10:35] is on a 1gb connection :S [10:36] don't think pidstat is going to do it for me :( [10:36] boo [10:37] silly samba got restarted now my virtual machine has stalled... [10:37] * dwatkins tries to forget about it and let it work itself out of its state [10:42] guys, when did I get kicked from irc ? [10:42] or disconnected? [10:43] 16:20:00 -!- andylockran [~andylockr@genesis.zrmt.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] [10:43] i assume yesterday [10:43] hmm.. very strange [10:43] thanks [10:43] I've noticed my server sometimes kicks me off over night, not been told about any network problems with it, though. [10:44] moarning ubuntu crew :) [10:44] morning [10:45] I am venturing into a dark, dark place this afternoon - installing windows 7 on my laptop to do a bios update :( [10:47] You have to use windows to do a bios update? [10:47] Can't you do it via a usb flash drive? [10:47] I've got an internal site with horrible css. what's the best script to use in firefox to use my local css against a particular site? [10:47] or a livecd? [10:48] is greasemonkey the right oen? [10:48] bigcalm: have tried and failed. I've not seen a bios updater like it. [10:48] :( [10:49] danfish sent u a link :P [10:49] haven't done it myself but it migt save u wiping data [10:49] thanx - i'll have a look [10:50] clonezilla is at work copying everything right now [10:50] i assume u don't have a spare hard drive then [10:56] okay, hopefully that message sent successfully :) [10:57] hazrpg: Good first email to the list :) [10:58] mungojerry: I've been quite surprised at the quality of CS graduate candidates we've had here for a couple of job roles. Bit of a damning inditement of the current University system tbh [10:59] daubers, i was trying to hire last summer and had to repeat the advertising process due to lack of response! [10:59] most applications were illiterate or chancers or no work permit [10:59] mungojerry: We had 3 candidates who couldn't tell me the difference between an interpreted language and a compiled one even though they had CS degree's and I didn't! [11:00] lol [11:00] I guess university isn't what it used to be [11:01] I'd be more tempted to go back to uni if I thought I'd benefit from it, but I'd just end up being back at the same point I was at about 10 years ago if I did. [11:01] i.e. in a new job with little relevant experience [11:02] daubers: I work in accountancy & I've seen similar things in that industry, applicants who had a bit of knowledge after doing a degree, but didn't have the basic understanding & common sense. Worst case was a guy who didn't understand that a balance sheet should actually balance, but was still given the job because his dad was part owner in the business [11:02] DJones: urgh [11:02] the old boy network [11:03] daubers: Even worse, he wore Rupert the Bear trousers to work [11:03] makes me happier when i see RHCE on their cv tbh [11:03] /o\ [11:03] * TheOpenSourcerer just realised that the Ubuntu Rugby Fest, organised by czajkowski is also "Super Saturday". All 3 games on the same afternoon. Could be a long session :-D [11:04] yup [11:04] I know [11:04] mungojerry: CCNA or CCIE don't mean anything as an FYI :) Met lots of Cisco certified chaps who can't tell the difference between a switch and a router or the difference between a normal switch and a layer 3 one [11:04] DJones: guessing it got there ok then :P - was worried since it hadn't bounced my way yet [11:04] last match is the one we;re going in for [11:04] TheOpenSourcerer: I intend to be in for most of the day :D [11:04] daubers, also RHCE can be fudged to some extent if you take it twice or get the info off someone [11:04] heh [11:05] but i also have a rigorous interview process :) [11:05] for sysadmin roles [11:05] hazrpg: Whereabouts in Cumbria are you, I'm down in Cheshire, but occasionally go up to Cumbria in the caravan [11:05] DJones: Carlisle [11:05] czajkowski: I'll probably get there before the first kick off. Maybe even eat something too. [11:06] i start them off gentle by some quick fire questions ..it's amazing how many people couldn't tell you the latest kernel version...or even get the 2.6.x bit right [11:06] hazrpg: I've not been up round there yet [11:06] MisterSlippery: Hmm, was that uni comment because you read the email? [11:06] TheOpenSourcerer: that's my plan [11:06] TheOpenSourcerer: making use of your free pass day :) [11:06] Indeed czajkowski [11:06] Indeed. [11:06] DJones: Not surprised, there are some better places in Cumbria than Carlisle :P [11:06] no, I didn't read the email [11:07] mungojerry: any tips on interviewing sysadmins? I may have to design an interview process for my replacement.. [11:07] bah - you're rubbing it in now TheOpenSourcerer and czajkowski [11:07] danfish: :D [11:07] MisterSlippery: heh, just wondered noticed the comment about uni - but I'm guessing it was a topic I must have missed somewhere [11:07] screen-x: Still planning on moving this way? [11:07]