[12:49]  * danilos -> food
[13:32] <danilos> gary_poster, stand up and dance time? :)
[13:32] <gary_poster> danilos, meh, soory, thanks, yes
[13:33] <gary_poster> bac, benji, danilos, gmb, mumble/kanban in 2
[13:33] <gary_poster> I mean 1
[13:33] <gary_poster> I mean ASAP :-)
[13:33] <gmb> Yep
[13:42] <danilos> https://dev.launchpad.net/yellow/EmailNumberEstimation
[13:57] <gmb> danilos: ~yellow/launchpad/bug-subscription-page-mockups/
[14:23] <danilos> gary_poster, gmb: actually, I have one question about the X-Launchpad-Subscription-Description header
[14:24] <danilos> gary_poster, gmb: what should happen if notifications that are part of one email are coming from multiple subscriptions?
[14:24] <gary_poster> I say include them all
[14:24] <danilos> gary_poster, ok
[14:24] <gary_poster> gmb, I have 14:30-15:30 available for our call, and I doubt we'll need all of that.  If you want to just ping me after you have finished your email to Matthew, that's fine with me
[14:26] <danilos> gary_poster, gmb: generally, this will probably require adding an actual filter link on bugnotification table as well, unless I am mistaken and we can encode that information in a different way
[14:27] <benji> gary_poster and bac: lp:~benji/+junk/subscription-widget-mockups-triangles has modified versions of gary-alt with disclosure triangles in the only sane place I could think to put them, but I'm not reall happy with the result
[14:27]  * bac fetches and looks
[14:28] <gary_poster> danilos, I was just thinking that. :-/ if you don't think that you can fit it in now, feel free to reconsider your selection
[14:28]  * gary_poster fetches and looks too
[14:31] <danilos> gary_poster, I believe I can still fit it in, it's just that I feel like we are hastily adding more and more stuff to bugnotification table, losing the "archiving" property of BugNotificationArchive, and just generally feel unsure about just jumping in
[14:32] <danilos> ugh, adobe air is not compiled for 64-bit linux :(
[14:35] <gary_poster> danilos, ok.  1) feel free to take some time to not feel like we are being hasty.  Collect your concerns and talk to Graham about them, or if your concerns are more vague, just have a more formal pre-imp with him.  2) As far as the archiving property of BugNotificationArchive is concerned, I guess I don't understand the utility of the table.  I thought we just garbage collected old notifications after a month.
[14:35] <gary_poster>  If not, why not?
[14:35] <gary_poster> benji, I have some ideas.  Will tweak and propose
[14:35] <benji> cool
[14:35] <danilos> gary_poster, I don't understand it either, which kind of points to my "hastily" observation :) but I'll take a look at all that
[14:35] <bac> benji: what action would cause the twisty to twist?  merely selecting the checkbox or actually clicking on the twisty?
[14:36] <gary_poster> danilos ack :-)
[14:36] <benji> I figured reacting to both would be good.
[14:37] <bac> personally i think the twisties are unnecessary, especially since there is no good place to put them
[14:45] <gary_poster> benji, any idea why I can't access the twisty on 1-add open?  I keep clicking to no avail, and I'm able to move the others
[14:45] <gary_poster> ("are added or changed in any way")
[14:46] <benji> gary_poster: heh, no no idea; maybe I accidentally created an antibiotic resistant twisty
[14:46] <gary_poster> ah-ha, got the sneaky thing
[14:53] <gary_poster> beji, bac, I merged benji's work and tweaked it, and pushed it to lp:~yellow/launchpad/subscription-widget-mockups/
[14:54] <gary_poster> The thing we are trying to do is replace the ellipses as I understand it
[14:54] <gary_poster> and make it obvious that there are more options
[14:54] <gary_poster> I moved the triangle to the left, next to the control (radio button/checkbox), to try to make the unification clear
[14:55] <gmb> gary_poster: Argh, sorry, completely missed your pings earlier somehow. Let me catch up on scrollback...
[14:55] <gary_poster> np gmb
[14:56] <gary_poster> Anyway, I think this is an improvement to the ellipses.  It still is a tad unorthodox since the form controls are kind of combined with the twisties, but it is clearer, at least to my eye
[14:58] <gary_poster> I dunno maybe I'm fooling myself. :-/
[14:59] <gary_poster> it certainly is more "present" than the ellipses
[15:05] <gary_poster> danilos, I just read https://dev.launchpad.net/yellow/EmailNumberEstimation .  Thank you.  I have a few questions.
[15:05] <benji> gary_poster: I considered the configuration you mocked up and it looks as bad as I figured it would :P  I'm not certain about my preference, but I think the ellipsis is an important clue, and the radio button next to the disclosure triangle seems jarring to me; maybe Huw would have some better ideas
[15:05] <danilos> gary_poster, sure thing
[15:05] <gary_poster> benji. ok. :-/  I prefer this over what you had.
[15:06] <danilos> gary_poster, IRC or mumble?
[15:06] <gary_poster> benji, bac, how's this then:
[15:06] <benji> eye of the beholder, I guess :)
[15:06] <gary_poster> 1) one of you throw this at Huw and see what sticks
[15:07] <gary_poster> 2) meanwhile, we implement gary-alt as it was originally, without twisties.
[15:07] <gary_poster> alright?
[15:07] <gary_poster> danilos, was going to do IRC, but mumble is faster, so yeah, let's do that
[15:08] <bac> gary_poster: that sounds like a reasonable path
[15:08] <gary_poster> cool
[15:09] <benji> +1
[15:09] <gary_poster> great.  who talks to Huw? :-)
[15:09] <gmb> gary_poster: So, email away; I'm free whenever you are.
[15:09] <gary_poster> ok five minutes gmb thanks
[15:10] <gmb> Sure
[15:10] <benji> bac: do you want to email Huw, or shall I?
[15:10]  * benji wonders if he was born with that spelling or changed it for better googlability
[15:10] <bac> benji: why don't we tag team him?  i have to email him today about skinning the accordion.
[15:10] <benji> ok
[15:18] <gmb> benji: Huw's a Welsh spelling, so I guess his name might be an inherited one. At least he's not called Ruaridh.
[15:19] <benji> :)
[15:20] <benji> Ruaridh is certainly more likely to give good google results.
[15:21] <gmb> True.
[15:33] <gary_poster> danilos, ready on mumble when you are
[15:33] <danilos> gary_poster, I just need 3 minutes, be right there :)
[15:33] <gary_poster> cool danilos
[15:47] <danilos> gary_poster, https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/AnswerContact/
[16:02] <bac> gary_poster: has a date been set for the next Launchpad Throwdown?
[16:03] <gary_poster> bac, yeah, one sec lemme get it...
[16:04] <bac> gary_poster: did you see this topic for trizpug next week?  http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/101/
[16:06] <gary_poster> bac, I didn't.  Cool, I'll see if I can be there.  Dates are June 27-July 1, last I've heard
[16:15] <benji> bac: I initally started adding the current user's team info to a branch from devel, but it occurs to me that starting from one of your branches would be better; which one should I use?
[16:16] <bac> benji: let me update my latest work from devel (should pick up the new widget) and push it up.  give me a sec.
[16:16] <benji> sure
[16:19] <bac> benji: have a look at lp:~bac/launchpad/accordionoverlay
[16:19] <benji> thanks
[16:20] <bac> benji: latest layout tweaks: http://people.canonical.com/~bac/overlay-2.png
[16:20] <benji> cool, looks good
[16:21] <benji> the spacing between the widgets might be a bit tight, but I suspect you're not working on look and feel yet
[16:34] <bac> benji: yeah, i'm just trying to get something on the page in roughly the right place
[16:34] <benji> I endorse your approach.
[16:34] <bac> \0/
[16:35] <benji> I also endorse lunch.
[17:13] <danilos> gary_poster, heya, one question re adding a link to bugsubscriptionfilter: a structural subscription always implies a bugsubscriptionfilter, right? or can we have just a structural subscription without having a bugsubscriptionfilter?
[17:15] <gary_poster> danilos, it is possible now to have a structural subscription without a bugfilter.  That's probably a bad idea long term for the UI Brad and Benji are working on, so if it is also a bad idea for your work, that's just more ammunition for a change. :-)
[17:15] <gary_poster> IOW, if you need that assumption, I think it is OK, and I think you can run with it now and have everyone on the squad check agree with it before you start work tomorrow
[17:16] <danilos> gary_poster, right, I'll look into how easy/hard is it to enforce that (or I'd have to add *both* a structural sub and bug sub filter references to BugNotification)
[17:16] <gary_poster> danilos, cool.
[18:09] <gary_poster> danilos, I put you in Feature Work 3 since I was gone from there.  Not sure if you want task cards or what, so you might want to add those (or at least one)
[18:09] <danilos> gary_poster, right, I'll likely need them, thanks
[18:09]  * gary_poster lunching, should be back in 1:20 or less
[19:13] <benji> bac: does this look like it'll fit the bill for the teams-the-current-user-administers data you need? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/568392/
[19:14] <bac> benji: looks good
[19:14] <benji> cool
[19:23] <benji> bac: the branch is at lp:~benji/launchpad/accordionoverlay; I'm adding a couple tests to it now
[19:23] <bac> ok
[19:30] <gary_poster> bac, ready when you are, no rush
[19:31] <bac> gary_poster: ok
[20:55] <gary_poster> bac, good email to Huw.  Thank you.  I wondered when reading it if we should include a link to the Balsamiq mockup images so he gets an idea of the desired usage, but maybe that's not necessary.  If you've considered it and rejected it as unnecessary confusion, that's fine with me.
[20:56] <bac> gary_poster: i was on the fence and fell off on the side of not sending it.
[20:56] <gary_poster> cool bac
[21:40] <gary_poster> lp:~yellow/launchpad/bug-subscription-page-mockups/