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cjohnstonnope00:38
cjohnstonstuck in nyc00:38
nigelbGood morning01:40
Pendulumcjohnston: what happened? :(01:49
cjohnstonWe were standby01:57
Pendulumah01:58
nigelbcjohnston: Oh, I thought you missed your flight :D01:58
cjohnstonno01:59
cjohnstonwe were there01:59
cjohnstonthey missed us01:59
cjohnstonlol01:59
cjohnstonthe first flight in the morning, as of 1.5 hours ago has 4 empty seats, so we may be able to get on that one02:00
cjohnstonbut the flight is at 70502:00
cjohnstonso 430 at the airport02:00
Pendulumwhere are you staying?02:00
cjohnstoncomfort inn jfk02:00
akgranerhey if someone gets ban from #ubuntu what's the protocol for getting unban?03:37
akgranerone of the NC Loco team members was ban this weekend and just asked me how he goes about getting unban03:38
nhandlerakgraner: Have them join #ubuntu-ops03:40
akgranerk that's what I thought but wanted to double check thanks nhandler03:40
duanedesignevening all04:36
jonodoctormo, I posted a comment to your blog, can I you approve it?06:34
duanedesignhello jono06:36
jonohey duanedesign06:38
jonook bed for me06:39
jononight all!06:39
dholbachgood morning07:21
nigelbMorning dholbach, ara07:30
dholbachhey nigelb07:31
arahey nigelb07:32
* nigelb sighs07:32
nigelbtoday's going to be a really longish day :|07:32
* cjohnston may be sitting in an airport for 13 hours.. i agree07:35
dpmgood morning all07:36
nigelbMorning dpm07:36
dpmhey nigelb07:37
kim0Morning everyone07:44
dpmhey kim0, good morning!07:48
kim0dpm: hey man :)07:49
dholbachhey kim007:49
kim0dholbach: Morgen :)07:50
dholbachkim0, صباح النور !07:50
kim0haha .. you're changing replies now even07:51
nigelbHey kim0 :)07:51
kim0dholbach: love to hear you pronounce that :P07:51
kim0nigelb: morning man :)07:51
dholbachkim0, next time we meet and you can teach me how to say it right :)07:52
nigelbheh07:52
dholbach"no, do it again", "no, not like this... like this!", etc. :)07:52
kim0hehe my pleasure07:53
dholbachbut I'm happy to learn some more, what I learned up until now is not even "holiday Arabic" :)07:53
kim0hehe :)07:54
huatsmorning08:47
dpmhey huats08:47
huatshello dpm08:47
duanedesignmorning all08:58
czajkowskialoha09:41
kim0hey o/09:42
duanedesigno09:48
popeyGood morning !09:49
duanedesignhello popey09:50
kim0Morning fellas09:51
duanedesigno/09:52
czajkowskihttp://www.networkworld.com/community/banshee-amazon-store-disabled-by-canonical-in-ubuntu  interesting read09:53
popeyoooooooold09:54
popey:)09:54
czajkowskicant be all up to date like you mr popey  ;)09:57
popey:)09:57
kim0daker: Morning10:18
dakermorning ツ10:20
topyliczajkowski: the headline is linkbait though, was disappointed to see it :)10:33
topyli(on lwn first)10:33
topylii'd rather write "Ubuntu One still default music store on Ubuntu despite player change" :)10:34
czajkowskithats not going to grab attention though10:34
topylinope10:35
* topyli tweets, tests10:35
popeyjzb needs to get paid somehow :)10:35
topylior maybe "ubuntu adds amazon music store as an option" even10:44
nigelbbut that isn't going to get people to read the article.10:45
nigelbalso, it shows Ubuntu in good light!10:46
topylican't have that!10:46
nigelbExactlly!10:46
topylipopey: that might be a good headline too, albite a bit niche10:49
topylior albeit10:49
dholbachcan somebody please sticky these two:11:23
dholbachhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1044934511:23
dholbachhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1044934711:23
dakerkim0, o/13:52
duanedesigndholbach: yep13:57
dholbachthanks duanedesign!13:59
duanedesigndoneizzle dhizzleC[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C14:00
dakerdholbach, hi14:03
dholbachhey daker - how are you doing?14:03
dakergood ツ & you ?14:03
dholbachgreat - thanks :)14:03
kim0daker: howdy man14:04
dakerquestion: i developing a project which going - i think - deployed but as you know they are running django 1.1.1 , the project have some difficulties with django 1.1.1 and it runs very well on 1.2.314:06
dakeri mean question to dholbach ツ14:06
dholbachdid you figure out what exactly it requires from 1.2.3?14:06
dholbachfor the LD we had to "borrow" some code for a short time, but only a minimal piece that made it work14:07
dholbachbut you could just ask the people in #canonical-sysadmin14:07
dholbachthey can give a definite answer :)14:07
dakerok thanks14:07
czajkowskianyone know the ubuntu channel that deal with chrome/browser issues ?14:42
popeyczajkowski: specifically?14:58
czajkowskipopey: I know I was in one before with jcastro as I had a chrome issue with font displaying .  but every time I download items on this machine in chrome I get empty items14:59
czajkowskibut work fine in firefox14:59
popeyfile a bug?14:59
czajkowskipopey: trying to work out is it  asetting or something someone has heard of before, tis just odd and only happens on this machine.15:00
doctormoczajkowski: Even if it's a setting, it should be filled as a bug.15:03
czajkowskiubuntu-bug chromium ? package does not exist, what do I file it agaisnt ?15:04
jcastrochromium-browser15:05
czajkowskijcastro: thank you15:06
czajkowskijcastro: what is the channel to follow up in  as well ?15:10
jcastrou-mozillateam15:11
jcastrofta hangs out there15:11
czajkowskijcastro: thanks15:11
* popey cuddles jcastro 15:27
czajkowskiwow a channel popey is not in :p15:38
popeyhah15:39
popeyi recently rebooted my vps, so pruned my channel list :p15:39
Pendulumpopey: how many channels are you in now, then?15:39
popeynot many15:39
popey9215:39
Pendulum:)15:39
czajkowskihmm to tesco to get food to cook15:39
czajkowskitoodles15:39
popeyczajkowski: pro-tip: Don't poison anyone!15:40
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czajkowskipopey: I didnt poision him :(16:21
popey:)16:21
czajkowskicooking again this evening. :)16:24
czajkowskiI may be tempted to this time though16:24
popeyhehe16:25
czajkowskiLondon really isn';t pretty during the day16:25
czajkowskiat least by night the lights make it look pretty16:25
* czajkowski is making a lasagna this evening for dinner16:26
Pendulumczajkowski: yummy :)16:33
jonohey all16:36
Pendulumhiya jono16:37
Pendulumjono: we're still on for today, right?16:37
jonoyep16:39
jonosix hours of calls today16:39
jonough16:39
kim0six hours .. ew16:39
* Pendulum hugs jono 16:40
* jono hugs Pendulum16:44
doctormopleia2: Looks like we'll only be doing the alternative accommodation for UDS. Few Ubuntu orgs are interested in the Ubuntu community sponsorship idea.17:20
doctormoSo we'll drop it and work on just making it easier for those rich enough to fly there, but not so rich as to afford the UDS hotel.17:21
pleia2doctormo: that's ashame, but a list of hotels at least will be helpful for those folks17:21
doctormopleia2: Yea, I thought I'd at least get a handful of people interested. But I got a big fat zero. Oh well.17:22
doctormoAnd if it's not possible to get OMG interested, then it's not possible to get anyone interested IMO.17:22
doctormo;-)17:22
popeywhere was this publicised?17:22
* popey hasn't seen anything about it17:22
doctormopopey: It wasn't, it was private emails and individuals.17:23
pleia2no where, I'm still working with ubuntu-hu to get a list17:23
doctormopopey: Will you be going to UDS?17:23
popeyno idea17:24
doctormopopey: If you don't go, would you put $40 into a hat to sponsor someone else?17:24
popeyI'll happily do that whether I go or not17:24
Technovikingis sponsorship open?17:25
popeyhas jono blogged it? :)17:25
doctormoTechnoviking: No, not yet.17:25
pleia2well, once we have the locations pinned down we'll put together a sponsorship wiki page and see if we can get individual donations :)17:25
popeyhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/sponsorship/ -> "We are not currently accepting sponsorship applications for uds-o in Budapest, Hungary . Please check back again later!17:25
doctormopleia2: I was using popey as a litmus of interest, I wonder how he translates to other less involved users.17:26
pleia2last time it was primarily individual donors, right?17:26
jonosponsorship is not open yet17:26
jonowill be open very soon17:26
doctormopleia2: We speared it, so the one person we wanted to fund we went to the teams he was involved in and ask them directly.17:27
* pleia2 nods17:27
doctormojono: How much support would a kickstarter project get from the community team, if we set one up at the same time?17:27
* popey hacks jono's wordpress install and hits [SUBMIT] on the blog post titled "Ubuntu Developer Summit Applications Open!"17:28
doctormopopey: Would it be worth having the CC mull over everyone who doesn't get Canonical support for such a thing?17:29
popeyI think not, I think it's a JFDI17:29
popeyif you think it needs doing, do it17:29
doctormopopey: No, I mean, when it's done, and there is a pot of gold.17:30
popeywas the comment about OMG serious? Have you approached them to write up about it?17:30
popeynah, just get someone responsible to look after it17:30
* popey notes that as you have talked most about it, you automagically become responsible ;D17:30
doctormopopey: Same person to choose the people to sponsor? I could do that :-P17:30
popeyCIVS?17:31
popeymaybe overthinking it tbh17:31
doctormoWhat does CIVS mean?17:31
popeyits the poll system we use for votes17:32
popeye.g. for the CC vote17:32
doctormoAh the Alternative vote.17:32
popeyhttp://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_f802a7d79840b58a17:32
popeycan you see that?17:32
popeyhowever.17:33
popeydid you see what the Linux Outlaws (podcast) guys did to get one of them to FOSDEM?17:33
popeyhttp://www.indiegogo.com/lo-fosdem201117:33
popeyseemed to work well17:33
doctormopopey: Thanks for the links.17:35
popeynp17:35
popeyI think it's a great idea to help get people to UDS17:35
doctormopleia2: What do you think? If you +1, I'll go ahead regardless.17:37
popeyI'm just not sure about the method17:40
popeywhether it's worth getting a list of people who want to go up front17:40
popeyand creating individual things for them17:40
popeyor one massive fund17:40
popey"massive"17:40
pleia2I think it would be hard to know who to poll17:40
popeytrue17:41
popeythe people who donated?17:41
pleia2some donors may just want to donate to someone who they know will represent their interests at the summit17:42
pleia2so they won't want to commit until they know who they are donating to17:42
popeyyeah17:43
popeyit's tricky17:43
pleia2maybe we just decide based on applications and community support we can see (last time it was pretty clear that BT wanted the sponsored party to go)17:44
doctormoTry the massive pool and then try the singular funding next time if it fails?17:44
AlanBelldoctormo: I think it is a great idea, and just doing the hotel is great17:44
pleia2yeah, and in their applications we should see if there is any money on their end17:45
pleia2maybe they can afford half a trip, but not the whole thing17:45
pleia2that way we can help more people17:45
AlanBellyou could gather a fund and split it between all the people paying their own flights towards their hotel bills17:45
doctormopleia2: For that, we'd need details on the accommodation costs.17:46
pleia2doctormo: yeah, which we're still working on, hajni is talking with a travel agent friend17:47
pleia2doctormo: what is the minimum accomodation type, 3 star? 4 star?17:48
pleia2(the highest is 5)17:48
m4n1shuds planner was written by Scott ?17:49
popeym4n1sh: originally, maintained by various people now iirc17:49
doctormopleia2: Minimum is couches at houses ;-), but I suppose for others, 3 stars should be good.17:49
* popey points a finger at Daviey :D17:49
pleia2doctormo: ok, thanks :)17:49
m4n1shthat's why I see "Sign in to Keybuk's UDS Planner"17:49
popeym4n1sh: what url?17:49
doctormopleia2: but if there is a way to reduce the cost by locating at distance, the key is transport.17:50
m4n1shhttps://login.launchpad.net/somerandomkey/+decide17:50
doctormoIt's easier to do if a bunch of people are located at the same distance hotel.17:50
dholbachok my friends - I call it a day now17:50
popeym4n1sh: how did you get there?17:50
m4n1shpopey: when you try to login17:50
popeyo/ dholbach17:50
dholbachhave a great rest of your day and see you tomorrow!17:50
m4n1shpopey: from http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/sponsorship/17:50
m4n1shif you are not logged in17:50
popeyyeah, i wouldn't do that yet17:50
doctormopopey: Yea, to answer your previous question. OMG didn't respond to a request to make an article for it.17:51
m4n1shwhich article?17:51
* Daviey raises an eyebrow17:51
* m4n1sh reads the log17:51
Davieyam i wanted?17:52
doctormoDaviey: Are you involved in OMG?17:53
Davieydoctormo, no17:53
m4n1shdoctormo: what exactly you want to post on omg? accomodation during uds?17:53
Davieypopey, you pointed at me?17:53
doctormom4n1sh: Kickstarter to raise donations for getting people to UDS.17:53
m4n1shand you want an author who can post it?17:54
m4n1shprobably david can? or akshat17:54
popeydoctormo: manish asked about the summit page which mentioned keybuk17:56
popeydoctormo: i suspect there is an alterior motive why omg didnt publicise17:59
popeydoctormo: I expect that both Joey and Ben want to go to UDS themselves :)17:59
popeyeither that or one of 1) your story isnt shiny linkbait, 2) they are not your performing monkeys, making stories that you choose, 3) they get a lot of comments and missed it18:00
popeyor all of the above18:00
doctormopopey: seems reasonable.18:01
m4n1shLol18:02
doctormopleia2: I'll estimate $1k per sponsored person on the kickstart and aim to get 5 extra people there. I'll detail how it'll work with votes,18:02
m4n1shpopey: lol @ 118:02
popey\o/ home time18:05
popeysee you gorgeous people later!18:05
popeymwah mwah!18:05
mhall119m4n1sh: did you have a question/problem with summit.ubuntu.com?18:08
* mhall119 saw your link above, but not sure of the context18:08
m4n1shmhall119: nope. Was just asking if Scott developed it :)18:08
m4n1shand btw is the sponsorship stopped?18:08
* mhall119 doesn't see Scott in the source history18:09
m4n1shmhall119: logout. and then goto the http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/sponsorship/18:09
m4n1shyou will be redirected to login page18:09
mhall119m4n1sh: sponsorship for UDS-O hasn't started yet, it was a bug in the summit code that had it opened previously18:09
m4n1shmhall119: ah. so people who applied have to apply again?18:09
m4n1shwho already applied have to apply again?18:10
mhall119m4n1sh: no, the sponsorship applications should still be in the database18:10
m4n1shit is there18:10
mhall119but you can double-check with jcastro and Daviey on that18:10
jcastrothey're in there18:10
jcastrosubmissions  are off18:10
mhall119m4n1sh: going to that link took me through SSO and back, but I didn't see any mention of Scott18:10
jcastroscott's mentioned in the form page18:10
mhall119which I don't get to18:11
jcastrothough I /think/ cjohnston fixed that, not sure18:11
m4n1shon login page: "Sign in to Keybuk's UDS Planner"18:11
jcastrom4n1sh: oh file a bug on that please18:11
mhall119oh, on login.launchpad.net?18:11
jcastrolp.net/summit18:11
m4n1shdoing18:11
m4n1shit is18:11
m4n1shRegistered 2009-05-19 by Scott James Remnant (Canonical)18:11
mhall119jcastro: grep shows now 'keybuk' in summit's source tree, is this something recorded in Launchpad or SSO?18:12
jcastronot sure18:12
mhall119if summit was registered with LP's services, it may be stored by them18:12
mhall119Daviey might know better18:14
mhall119but I think that's the case, LP has pre-authorized access from summit, and probably has that name stored18:14
m4n1shcool18:14
m4n1shsummit is in django18:14
mhall119yup18:14
m4n1shmy fav web framework :)18:14
mhall119mine too ;)18:15
doctormomhall119: I still like wsgi, but django is tops18:15
m4n1shI think ubuntu makes use of wordpress+thematic framework a lot18:16
m4n1shand for custom work, django18:16
m4n1shjcastro: the lady on the left is amber? Right? https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_1Thkya8n93k/TVRdlbJ-iLI/AAAAAAAAfnc/7FU_VHREmhk/uds8.jpg18:16
jcastrono that's Jane Silber18:17
vishm4n1sh: nope18:17
m4n1shand well everyone knows who is on the right :)18:17
* vish leaves it to quickgun jcastro ;)18:17
m4n1shprobably everyone him knows before they were even born18:17
mhall119doctormo: you can run django on wsgi18:17
mhall119that's the preferred way of doing it these days18:17
jcastrovish: I moved to gdocs18:29
vishjcastro: hmm, i actually meant that "quickgun jcastro" at your quick reply to manish :)18:30
jcastroyeah, I moved on to you now.18:30
vishjcastro: oh wait, now i get it :)18:30
jcastroI AM FAST TODAY18:31
JFofaster than a speeding code commit18:31
jcastrothis is why it's 1:30 and only am just now realizing I need to eat, heh18:31
JFosame here jcastro18:31
* JFo listens to his belly rumble18:31
JFoand that is a whole lot to have rumbling18:31
doctormoJFo: My wife made me pea and ham soup, it was great.18:32
JFosounds like18:32
m4n1shjcastro: ping18:37
jcastroyo18:37
m4n1shcheck zeitgeist tag on askubuntu18:37
jcastrovish: ok that's one, I'm going to let it bake for a bit and give it a think18:37
m4n1shhttp://askubuntu.com/tags/zeitgeist/info18:37
jcastrobooya, accepted18:38
jcastronice work!18:38
m4n1shyay18:38
m4n1shwill add more18:38
m4n1shsnapshots too18:38
jcastrono worries, it's real easy to integrate18:39
jcastroit just gives me a nice graphical diff18:39
jcastroand I click a button18:39
m4n1shoh really18:39
m4n1shstackexchange rocks18:39
jcastroyeah add a link to the homepage or something and I'll screenie it18:40
m4n1shjcastro: everything is under consideration18:40
m4n1shthis week the whole team is off the work18:40
m4n1shburnout killed most of them18:40
jcastroheh18:41
jcastroyeah!18:41
jcastrosigns of brutalness18:41
m4n1shexcept kamstrup18:41
m4n1shhe has to work on unity :(18:41
jcastroonce he's done we can finally have python places18:42
m4n1shreally?18:42
m4n1shis he the only person work on libunity18:42
m4n1shI can see most of the changes from him18:42
mhall119jcastro: someone's already working on a python lib?18:42
jcastromhall119: yeah, kamstrup18:43
mhall119awesome!18:43
jcastrom4n1sh: he's not the only one but it's mostly him18:43
mhall119one less thing for my todo list18:43
jcastromhall119: the nice thing is we get python places AND launcherAPI python bits all at once18:43
mhall119more awesome18:43
m4n1shkamstrup brutally rips apart our design decisions and make everyone's heads hang in shame :D18:43
m4n1shesp no one has been able to come up with a good blacklist api and aggregate api.. he finds out lots of issues with each design18:44
jcastrohe's pretty ninja18:44
m4n1shjcastro: http://twitter.com/#!/njpatel/status/19843856935 and http://twitter.com/#!/njpatel/status/2598191281918:46
Davieymhall119 / jcastro: That is something for Canonical IS to fix i think.19:12
scott-workdoctormo: been reading some of the ubuntu-artwork mail,  would it be possibel that you are others might be interested in working with ubuntu studio for artwork?19:22
dpmok everyone, see you on Monday!19:29
mhall119wow, ronnie's google maps branch rocks20:05
jcastroscreenshot please!20:05
pleia2doctormo: there is a 3 star hotel for ~45 euro (they don't use euros there, but it was easy for her to convert) per night 2 minutes walking distance away20:33
pleia2hajni sent me a whole list up to 100 euro/night and 4 star, all within walking distance, I'll put together a wiki page after work tonight20:33
* pleia2 back to work20:34
doctormoscott-work: It's possible, do you want to chat about it in #ubuntu-artwork with me and thorwil?22:11
doctormopleia2: That sounds fantastic!22:12
scott-workdoctormo: that would be capital!22:16
scott-workdoctormo: i don't think thorwil is there currently ?22:17
doctormoscott-work: No, this is a thing which needs an EU timezone22:17
doctormoSo early morning for you :-)22:18
scott-workdoctormo: okay, so tomorrow morningin i shall endeavour to find you and thorwil on #ubuntu-artwork :)22:18
doctormoscott-work: great, in the mean time. What kind of things did you have in mind?22:20
scott-workdoctormo: anything, everything :)22:22
* scott-work is a zen master :P22:23
doctormoscott-work: Has paultag given up on getting me to do his gui?22:23
scott-workdoctormo: aye!  he's using a person within the ubuntustudio-dev group, it's a training exercise for him22:28
scott-workdoctormo: jocularity aside, the ubuntu studio team does not have any at all to do artwork or themeing (is that a word? is it spelt correctly?), so any help in this quarter would be appreciated22:29
jonoPendulum, hey, just give me on sec and I will Skype you22:30
Pendulumjono: no worries, need to find my headset anyway22:30
doctormoscott-work: I think what I will do is make you a blog post on dA, there are lots of lost theme designers on there.22:30
Pendulumjono: i'm ready whenever you are22:32
scott-workdoctormo: i sent an email to thorwil and he kindly said "no" :P22:33
AlanBellhas gnome-screenshot been completely broken by unity? I can only get it to take screeshots of the desktop wallpaper22:33
scott-workdoctormo: but he did sent a few links to others who might be interested22:33
doctormoscott-work: Sounds good, he must be winding down his art stuff.22:34
scott-workdoctormo: but my thought was not to have contests or polls, just form a small group that can work collaboratively and come up with some good designs or ideas22:34
doctormoscott-work: That's the idea.22:34
scott-workdoctormo: but certainly a blog post on dA would be an awesome step :)22:35
doctormoscott-work: How should folks contact you?22:37
scott-workdoctormo: they can reach me at scottalavender@gmail.com22:49
scott-workthat is a commonly available email address that i freely make public22:50
jonoPendulum, which chan should do the meeting in next week?22:53
jono#ubuntu-accessibility ?22:53
jonoPendulum, I will use that for now, we can change it if needed22:55
doctormoscott-work: http://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com/blog/38530843/23:01
scott-workdoctormo: thanks!  i'll look at it at home, i have to run to pick up the kids :)23:10
pleia2doctormo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-O/OtherAccommodation23:50
doctormopleia2: Does that include the UDS hotel itself for comparison?23:51
pleia2doctormo: no, I think we'll have to call the hotel to find out the rate23:52
pleia2on uds.ubuntu.com there is a "If you are not a Canonical employee or sponsored by Canonical but wish to book a room at please fill in this form and send it to reservations.budapest@corinthia.com" note23:53
pleia2but "this form" doesn't exist23:53
pleia2all I asked for from Hajni were 3+ star hotels within walking distance under 100 euros/night23:54
doctormopleia2: Perfect, you're a star!23:58
doctormojono: When you announce sponsorship, can you link to our wiki page?23:59

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