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TheMusoRAOF: So the notebook arrived yesterday, and now that I have the product recovery data backed up, I've looked at the NVIDIA GPU in Device manager. Its an NVS3100M.01:16
TheMusoAnd the nice thing is in the BIOS, I can choose which GPU I want to use, either Intel, NVIDIA, or both.01:17
TheMusoSo I dare say nouveau support is still lacking for that chip.01:17
TheMusobryceh: ^^01:18
RAOFHave you tried it?01:19
RAOFYay for bios writers being useful.01:19
brycehTheMuso, congratz on new laptop01:20
RAOFYeah, that too :)01:20
TheMusoRAOF: Will try Linux with the nvidia gpu on it in a while.01:26
micahgrobert_ancell: is there a desktop branch for gjs?01:56
robert_ancellI just used the lp:ubuntu/gjs branch01:56
micahgrobert_ancell: ok, I wanted to update it to use dh_xulrunner instead of adding it manually in debian/control, so I'll just upload then01:56
robert_ancellcool01:57
micahgthen i'll fwd it over to Debian so we can sync again :)01:57
TheMusobryceh, RAOF, ok 2D nouveau works fine, let me get natty installed and I'll see if the experimental dri package does anything for 3D.01:58
TheMusoInteresting... Nouveau reckons its an NV50 generation card.02:01
RAOFI think nouveau knows of nv0x, nv2x, nv3x, nv4x and nv5x as card generations.  From what I can gather, everything after >nv50 and <nvc0 is sufficiently similar to consider one generation.02:03
TheMusoah ok02:03
TheMusolspci mentions G21802:03
RAOFSince your card has 2D, I'd expect it to also manage 3D with -experimental (but won't do Unity until this mesa is finished building, tested, and uploaded).02:04
TheMusoah ok.02:04
RAOFYour Stability May Vary :)02:04
* TheMuso nods. I can switch to intel if I need stability.02:04
TheMuso...or can I... :)02:04
RAOF:)02:05
brycehthe infamous Intel stability02:05
TheMusoI see myself only using NVIDIA if I need GPU grunt for something, which is rather rare for me.02:06
RAOFQuick quiz: does it use an eDP connection?  Stability/usability depends on the answer being “no” :)02:06
TheMuso...and testing.02:06
TheMusoHow do you find that out?02:11
RAOFxrandr probably tells you.  Or you could switch to intel and see if the laptop panel turns on :)02:13
RAOF(If it does, you probably don't have an eDP panel ☺)02:13
robert_ancellkenvandine, are the libindicate GIR bindings supposed to work?02:15
TheMusoOh the laptop panel is working with nouveau.02:17
TheMusoIts not connected to a monitor.02:17
RAOFIt's intel that has problems with eDP; nouveau, as far as I'm aware, handles it.02:22
TheMusoOh right, well under intel the panel does turn on.02:22
TheMusoAnd unity does load.02:22
RAOFHurray!02:23
cyphermoxhey TheMuso02:29
cyphermoxsaw your bug about a11y for nm-applet indicator, did you file the same for indicator-network? I looked but couldn't find it, I was certain I had seen an email about that before02:30
TheMusocyphermox: No, I 've already done the work for indicator-network, and kvalo has seen and signed off on it.02:31
cyphermoxah, so that's why02:31
TheMusoBecause indicator-network is a system indicator, whereas network-manager is still an application indicator, so there are still changes that need to be merged into libappindicator for that to happen.02:31
cyphermoxthat's already working for libindicator then, just missing the API for libappindicator?02:31
cyphermoxhehe ok :)02:31
TheMusoThe work is done for libappindicator, and its in the merge queue, but its blocking on some KDE related stuff.02:32
TheMusoTed knows more about that.02:32
cyphermoxright02:32
cyphermoxI subscribed to your branch so in theory I should get an email as soon as it's merged02:32
TheMusoOk cool.02:32
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didrocksgood morning07:45
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone08:03
Sweetsharkmorning08:06
chrisccoulsonhi Sweetshark, how are you?08:07
SweetsharkI am fine, thank you. And you?08:15
rodrigo_morning08:42
seb128hey rodrigo_, how are you?08:44
huatsmoning08:47
huatshello seb128 !08:47
seb128lut huats08:47
huatshow are you seb128 ?08:47
rodrigo_salut seb12808:49
seb128huats, I'm fine thanks, what about you?08:56
huatsfine too ! working too hard, but I think I get used to that :)08:56
huatsthanks08:56
* didrocks is eager to see "building from branch" to land. That will totally justify our dx workflow08:57
chrisccoulsonhey seb128, how are you?09:20
seb128hey chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks, how are you?09:20
chrisccoulsonseb128, i'm not too bad thanks09:20
chrisccoulsonmy daughter is not very well this morning though. she's been sick 3 times already :(09:21
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ara_seb128, morning09:40
seb128hey ara09:40
ara_seb128, is it only time what it is preventing you from sponsoring checkbox? or do you need any other information?09:41
seb128ara_, the diff of the merge request was a bit weird so I delayed that until later, like it cleans files and things without having that documented09:41
seb128ara_, i.e it's was not trivial and I had other things to do so I delayed until I would have time for proper review, I will try to do it today09:42
ara_seb128, OK, thanks09:42
ara_seb128, actually, the things removed are from the build folder, that I don't know why it is there in the first place. It may have been added by mistake in a previous upload09:45
seb128right, I will check on that09:46
* ara_ checks at what point the build folder was uploaded09:47
ara_seb128, it was in revision 20. I will create a new branch based on cr3's but removing the build folder and I will propose a new merge superseeding this one09:53
fta2Title: indicator-application-service crashed with SIGABRT in reply_cb()09:54
fta2UnreportableReason: The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes.09:54
seb128ara_, seems great, thanks ;-)09:59
seb128fta2: open a bug manually and add the stacktrace I guess09:59
seb128I need to talk to pitti about those...09:59
ara_seb128, not needed, I have seen that cr3 already deleted all the build files. I have put a comment to the merge request stating that10:01
ara_seb128, is that enough?10:01
seb128ara_, should be yes, thank you!10:03
ara_seb128, thanks to you!10:04
kklimondaseb128: when we package unstable version of some library (in this case pangomm) how should we bump shver in d/rules?10:39
seb128kklimonda, if there is some api addition yes10:40
kklimondaseb128: for stable libraries, we just bump to the $maj.$min.0, should we do the same for unstable ones?10:40
seb128not sure to understand the question10:41
kklimondaseb128: it's a good enough answer :)10:41
seb128the number represent the version which has the current api defined10:41
seb128so update the number every time they add a function10:41
seb128or rather that they add a function to the public api10:42
kklimondaright, so for unstable releases we may have to bump it more often?10:42
seb128usually for each version yet10:43
seb128it's cheap, it's just a number10:43
seb128it's the depends packages building against the lib will get10:43
sorenThe purpose of this tracking is to know that if the last time a new function as was added to libfoo was in x.y.z, but you built against x.y.w, you can still get away with a Depends: library (>= x.y.z).10:45
sorenWe used to always have to specify Depends: library (>= <the version we built against>).10:46
seb128better to use .symbols nowadays though10:46
sorenVery true.10:46
seb128which does the right thing and check what symbols you use and when they were added10:46
sorenYeah.10:47
kklimondaseb128: btw, would you be willing to add some comment to my motu application? I'm not really sure how many should I get, but some people have 7+ so I feel weird ;)10:53
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chrisccoulsonmy laptop battery is now at 60% capacity. that's depressing. time for a new one soon i think11:31
didrocksrodrigo_: do you know why evolution-couchdb isn't working for me?12:21
didrockswhen clicking on the ubuntu one list contact, I get a message telling me it can't get the contact list12:22
didrocks(my android phone and the web interface are working though)12:22
rodrigo_didrocks, kill evo and the e-addressbook-factory process, and start /usr/lib/evolution/e-addressbook-factory on a terminal, and then try to open the addressbook in evo again12:25
rodrigo_didrocks, and pastebin the output on the terminal12:25
didrocksrodrigo_: trying12:25
didrocksgrrr, double monitor and global menu :/12:26
didrocksdual*12:26
didrocksrodrigo_: hum, it exited12:27
didrocksrodrigo_: I just get in the GUI: http://paste.ubuntu.com/568155/12:27
rodrigo_didrocks, did you kill the previous e-addressbook-factory process?12:28
didrocksrodrigo_: yeah, it was up and running12:28
didrocksso, trying again12:28
didrocksstarting it12:28
rodrigo_ok12:28
didrocksnow starting evo12:28
didrocksah, core dump this time :)12:29
didrocksI prefer that to exiting without showing anything12:29
didrocksrodrigo_: reporting the stacktrace12:29
didrocksargh, obsolete because of the X stack :/12:30
didrocksrodrigo_: when I'll have some time over the week-end, can I report it and bug you?12:30
rodrigo_didrocks, yes, of course :-)12:31
didrocksthanks :)12:31
rodrigo_didrocks, just try to get the output from e-a-f, that should be enough12:31
* didrocks is spammed with 1 000 contact adress since he synced android with his gmail account, time to clean that up12:32
didrocksrodrigo_: ok :)12:32
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bcurtiswxkenvandine, great work with the progress bar in empathy :)14:22
kenvandinebcurtiswx, thx14:22
seb128kenvandine, is xchat-gnome supposed to show counts in the launcher or something?14:23
kenvandineseb128, if you have xchat-gnome-indicator installed14:23
kenvandineand14:23
kenvandineyou have the plugin enabled14:23
seb128kenvandine, can you talk to me again there?14:23
om26ericons in the live cd are set to gnome icon theme and cannot be changed it seems .svg files cannot be opened at all14:34
seb128reinstall librsvg2-common as a workaround14:34
seb128the svg loader is not registered14:35
seb128didrocks, hey14:38
seb128didrocks, unping14:39
kenvandineseb128, did you get the count?14:39
seb128kenvandine, ok, I think it's activated since the messaging menu list pending events14:39
seb128kenvandine, but the launcher does nothing14:39
seb128well it turns the arrow blue14:39
seb128but no count14:39
kenvandinehumm14:40
didrocksseb128: we should add that to our IRC client, unping support :)14:40
kenvandineseb128, still no count?14:41
seb128kenvandine, no14:41
kenvandine:/14:41
kenvandineif it is in the indicator, it should be in the launcher...14:41
kenvandinealthough, this makes no sense, but bcurtiswx found he had to restart unity sometimes to get things to show up in the launcher14:42
bcurtiswxthats correct, although this startup everything works OK14:42
bcurtiswxmy laptop is really an alien that looks like a laptop14:43
davmor2kenvandine: you know what would make that xchat plugin perfect if when you clicked on it, it went to the window with the most pings :)14:46
kenvandinedavmor2, that is a good idea14:47
kenvandinewell, actually people might get annoyed that it changes on them without expecting it14:47
bcurtiswxi think launchers should completely replace the indicator-applet14:49
bcurtiswxthey can perform the same functions, maybe that should be a blueprint for Natty +114:50
bcurtiswxleft clicking on a launcher with pending messages could give you the same list that the indicator-applet does14:52
bcurtiswxif the launcher panel is hidden make the ubuntu logo turn green ;)14:54
seb128left click is to focus14:58
seb128right click will give you the list14:59
seb128it's how it's designed and work in natty14:59
seb128the unity rendering side is already done, it just doesn't get the list because it lacks some glue14:59
seb128it will not replace the applet though, for one thing the applet load other indicators which don't make sense in the launcher14:59
seb128like the session one etc14:59
bcurtiswxwell the one with the mail and empathy and gwibber tho?15:00
seb128it lists things which are not running15:01
seb128which the launcher doesn't do if you don't pin those15:01
seb128not sure it would be nice to clutter the launcher with things which are not running15:02
seb128it doesn't hurt to have the envelop icon in there and the launcher integration15:02
seb128it let the choice to use what you prefer15:03
bcurtiswxyup, can't disagree.  I like that eventually a right click will bring a list of unread messages from the launcher icons15:03
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bcurtiswxjust to get more opinion tho, not trying to start a full blown debate, but the launcher can perform the exact same tasks as the envelope icon besides having an easy accessible list of commonly used apps.  But these apps can show up upon clicking the ubuntu icon, and then the launcher would provide the rest of the actions the green envelope does15:08
seb128well you can open a bug about that, I like the envelop though15:09
seb128it's always on screen even when the launcher is hidden and it collect infos from all the messaging applications where the launcher you will have to right click on each one15:10
seb128so when you come back to your computer you can see what happened in one click15:10
seb128rather than doing a bunch of right clicking in the launcher15:10
bcurtiswxseeing the amount of pending messages requires no clicking even when the launcher is hidden, then the user can decide which they prefer to check on15:11
seb128right, but you don't have the details of names, etc15:12
seb128the indicator is also useful in classic GNOME where is no launcher15:12
seb128not sure why you want to spare those 20 pixels, just to get extra free space on the unity-panel where you can't add applets anyway?15:13
bcurtiswxyup, that is correct.  If consistency between the two is what we're going for then I can't really say my ideas would be better15:13
bcurtiswxseb128, a disclaimer for me would be Im not fully aware of the general idea the desktop team strives for, so I'm just throwing out a few ideas :)15:13
seb128well unity design is rather ayatana design driven15:14
bcurtiswxthe envelope is ayatana as well?15:14
seb128so you should better suggest your ideas on bug reports or on their list ;-)15:14
seb128yes15:14
seb128unity and the indicators are ayatana projects15:14
bcurtiswxyeah I figured I'd try to come up with a mockup and bring it to the ayatana team15:15
bcurtiswxsee how my image editing skillz are15:15
seb128;-)15:15
seb128rodrigo_, do you have any clue about how to debug bug #639913?15:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 639913 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon random crash at session start (xorg badmatch error)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63991315:30
rodrigo_seb128, looking..15:30
seb128rodrigo_, we regularly get bugs about that so it's an annoying issue for our users, not sure how to debug it though15:31
rodrigo_hmm, I was going to suggest to kill g-s-d and run it on gdb, but if it's random :(15:31
rodrigo_seb128, but the error message has some info:15:32
rodrigo_To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line15:32
rodrigo_   option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful15:32
rodrigo_   backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error()15:32
seb128rodrigo_, right, the issue is that it seems to happen only at session start15:32
rodrigo_those are indeed strange errors, I have seen that, for other apps, for years, once in a while15:32
seb128not easy to ask users to run under gdb at login15:32
rodrigo_right15:32
rodrigo_the full .xsession-errors might help15:33
seb128tedg, mterry, kenvandine: bug #708188 should really be fixed for natty15:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 708188 in indicator-application "softwares using libappindicator crash with SIGSEGV in theme_changed_cb()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70818815:44
seb128if someone wants to claim it15:44
mterryseb128, seems bad, agreed.  I'm heads down right now on datetime dialog stuff, but if it's still unclaimed, can grab it15:45
seb128mterry, I will try to get a valgrind log since polkit-gnome-daemon crashes often when using update-manager15:46
seb128mterry, thanks15:46
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seb128no hurry to fix it this week it's nothing new15:46
tedgseb128, Agreed.  It seems people like to change themes ;)15:47
seb128tedg, it has nothing to do with theme changes15:47
seb128tedg, I get it every 5 update-manager use here15:47
tedgYes, I understand, I was more joking :)15:47
seb128ok ;-)15:47
seb128rodrigo_, btw did you talk to gdm upstream about the g-s-d races between login and session?15:49
kenvandineseb128, i think tedg is going to keep me pretty busy today15:49
seb128kenvandine, oh, it's not a today thing, it's a natty cycle thing, I was just pointing it for the record15:50
LaneyI just upgraded to natty and it seems my /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager setting is no longer respected15:50
htorqueseb128, hello! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/705498 - i never know which status to set in such situations? fix released/invalid?15:50
ubot2Ubuntu bug 705498 in compiz "Notifications should not show up on the unlock screen" [Low,New]15:50
Laneywhere did it move to?15:50
seb128htorque, there is no strong rules, if you know what fixed it fix released with a comment about it, otherwise invalid15:50
seb128Laney, it's using /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions15:51
htorqueseb128, don't know what exactly fixed it, so setting it to invalid - thanks! :-)15:51
Laneyseb128: how do I select which one to use? from gdm?15:52
seb128htorque, you're welcome15:52
seb128Laney, correct15:52
rodrigo_seb128, yes, but no answer, trying again15:52
seb128Laney, well gdm uses /usr/share/xsessions15:52
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seb128Laney, which call gnome-session --session=<...>15:53
seb128Laney, where the ... is in the /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions15:53
Laneyah OK15:53
Laneylooks like I can just copy 2d-gnome and change Required-windowmanager15:53
Laneyis this an Ubuntu change or can I ask Debian to provide the file?15:56
rodrigo_seb128, just reassigned the upstream bug to gdm, forgot to that last time15:56
seb128rodrigo_, thanks15:56
seb128Laney, it's a GNOME3 thing upstream that didrocks backported to our current GNOME15:56
seb128Laney, so wait for debian to get GNOME315:57
Laneysure15:57
seb128tedg, is the stacktrace on bug #720337 enough to work on the issue?16:02
ubot2Launchpad bug 720337 in indicator-appmenu "indicator-applet-appmenu crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_client_send_about_to_show()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72033716:03
tedgseb128, Not really, it seems to be a memory corruption error :(  Probably need valgrind16:14
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didrocksseb128: DSO linking issue with gtk-doc, does it ring a bell?16:42
seb128didrocks, not really out of the fact that pitti mentioned some before16:43
didrocksbefore, like recently?16:43
seb128didrocks, like end of january but I don't think that was the same issue16:45
didrockshum…16:45
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seb128didrocks, what source is that?16:47
didrocksseb128: libunity-misc, trying to make dist with --enable-documentation16:47
seb128didrocks, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62449433/libunity-misc_0.1.1-0ubuntu3_0.1.1-0ubuntu4.diff.gz16:47
seb128didrocks, did you get doko's patch?16:47
seb128didrocks, he fixed it in natty16:47
didrocksI don't think so16:47
seb128ok, so grab the patch from his upload I guess16:48
didrocksseb128: this one has been fixed by njpatel in trunk16:48
didrocksalready16:48
didrocksx1116:49
seb128didrocks, ok, so maybe something similar16:49
didrocksbut yeah, not the GTKDOC one16:49
didrocksseb128: ok, that should do it, thanks for pointing there :)16:51
didrocksa shame that it wasn't notified upstream (just checked the bug) though16:52
seb128didrocks, you're welcome, you got lucky I though that doko fixed some similar issues and ran into the libunity-misc example while trying to find one16:52
seb128didrocks, which made me think "could be what didrocks is on" ;-)16:52
didrocksseb128: hehe, yeah, I would have spent time in this Makefile.am :)16:53
didrocksseb128: btw, so today, I learnt that documentation Makefile is manual16:53
didrocksI was thinking that gtk-doc was handling everything as m4 macro16:53
didrocksseb128: works wayyyy better, thanks again :)16:53
seb128didrocks, yw16:54
* didrocks reopens his book on libtool library versionning when ABI and API break16:54
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Sweetshark417:57
highvoltage517:58
chrisccoulson618:10
chrisccoulsoncan anyone join in?18:10
chrisccoulson:)18:10
Sweetsharkauuw, people already made fun of me on #libreoffice for failure to use irssi18:12
Sweetshark(... correctly)18:13
chrisccoulsonheh :18:13
chrisccoulson)18:13
chrisccoulsonhmmm, my zero key is failing18:13
chrisccoulsonor it's got food stuck under it18:14
chrisccoulsonmost likely to be the latter18:14
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: ibm model m ftw!18:14
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chrisccoulsonw00t - http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ed3437b7c12b20:58
chrisccoulsonthat's going to rock on ambiance20:59
robert_ancellDoes anyone happen to know what package provides the broadcast icon in the messaging indicator?22:47
robert_ancellTheMuso, should we update to the latest espeak?23:52
TheMusorobert_ancell: its on my to do list for this next few days.23:53
TheMusoI have a git branch for ubuntu in the debian pkg-a11y repo, so will do the work there.23:53

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