| czajkowski | http://design.canonical.com/brand/10.%20Photography%20treatments.pdf <----- very useful document | 11:10 |
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| === 16WAAHT8Q is now known as ian_brasil | ||
| NCommander | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is NCommander. | 15:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:00 |
| * rsalveti waves | 15:00 | |
| NCommander | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110217 | 15:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110217 | 15:00 |
| NCommander | Who's here this morning | 15:00 |
| janimo | hello | 15:01 |
| * NCommander pokes GrueMaster ogra persia | 15:02 | |
| NCommander | and davidm | 15:02 |
| * GrueMaster is pre-caffeinated. | 15:02 | |
| GrueMaster | davidm may be running late. | 15:02 |
| GrueMaster | (he mentioned it last night in a different channel). | 15:03 |
| NCommander | ah | 15:03 |
| * ogra pokes NCommander back | 15:03 | |
| * NCommander is poked | 15:03 | |
| NCommander | k | 15:03 |
| NCommander | let's go | 15:03 |
| NCommander | [topic] Action Item Review | 15:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Action Item Review | 15:03 |
| NCommander | [topic] NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs (co) | 15:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs (co) | 15:04 |
| NCommander | Done. Thanks ogra for bringing it up at the release meeting | 15:04 |
| NCommander | [topic] Standing Items | 15:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Standing Items | 15:04 |
| ogra | i didnt | 15:04 |
| NCommander | ogra: I thought you said you did in #ubuntu-release | 15:04 |
| rsalveti | I had one action to talk with cooloney to work on the DVI patches, and he's already working on it | 15:04 |
| ogra | i just changed our report but that didnt mean that kate used the other tracker | 15:04 |
| * NCommander coughs | 15:04 | |
| ogra | she does now after our conversation in #ubuntu-release, yes | 15:05 |
| NCommander | I also did talk with skaet_ on this the other day | 15:05 |
| ogra | i dodnt think she noticed it in the report | 15:05 |
| NCommander | ah | 15:05 |
| ogra | (which is why you should talk to her ;) ) | 15:05 |
| NCommander | either way, its resolved | 15:05 |
| ogra | yes | 15:05 |
| ogra | :) | 15:05 |
| NCommander | [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html | 15:06 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html | 15:06 |
| NCommander | [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html | 15:06 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html | 15:06 |
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| NCommander | no comments on the workitem tracker? | 15:07 |
| ogra | we look pretty good i'd say | 15:07 |
| NCommander | cool | 15:08 |
| ogra | we need to move items next week though | 15:08 |
| * NCommander moves on | 15:08 | |
| NCommander | [topic] Unity 2D Status | 15:08 |
| ogra | if there are any we dont make | 15:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Unity 2D Status | 15:08 |
| rsalveti | also good :-) | 15:08 |
| ogra | its on the images since yesterday | 15:08 |
| ogra | i'll care for the new upstream next week | 15:08 |
| GrueMaster | And semi-works too. | 15:08 |
| ogra | the dash isnt fixed in that version | 15:08 |
| ogra | upstream has the fix already afaik | 15:09 |
| ogra | upstream is at 3.4 while we are at 3.2 | 15:09 |
| GrueMaster | Is une-efl still seeded in the image or no? | 15:09 |
| ogra | no | 15:09 |
| ogra | its gone to universe already | 15:09 |
| rsalveti | oh, cool | 15:09 |
| GrueMaster | Ok. Hadn't checked due to other high priority testing. | 15:09 |
| GrueMaster | It was useful in that unity-2d can't launch apps yet. | 15:10 |
| ogra | we're waiting for QT for NEON stuff | 15:10 |
| ogra | it launches apps for me | 15:10 |
| ogra | just doesnt show the dash | 15:10 |
| GrueMaster | Try launching a terminal. | 15:10 |
| ogra | well, shows it but doesnt get you search results | 15:10 |
| ogra | i dont have a terminal in the launcher | 15:10 |
| ogra | and the dash doesnt work | 15:11 |
| ogra | what i click on in the launcher works here | 15:11 |
| GrueMaster | Filemanager also crashes, but I think that is due to the icons bug. | 15:11 |
| ogra | hmm, works for me too | 15:11 |
| GrueMaster | (can't tell as I have no terminal. ) :P | 15:12 |
| ogra | i have issues with it on my x86 lappie, but not on the panda | 15:12 |
| ogra | but as i said. new upstrea pending that will solve the dash issue | 15:12 |
| GrueMaster | Open the file manager and go to /usr/share/applications. It will crash trying to display the .desktop icons. | 15:13 |
| GrueMaster | (which was the alternate way to launch the terminal) | 15:13 |
| ogra | ah, i didnt try that | 15:14 |
| ogra | well, overall unity-2d looks ok apart from known bugs | 15:14 |
| GrueMaster | yep | 15:15 |
| rsalveti | that's fine | 15:15 |
| ogra | NCommander, move (if there arent any other issues) | 15:15 |
| rsalveti | now we need to blog about it :-) | 15:15 |
| rsalveti | or wait alpha-3 | 15:15 |
| NCommander | [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) | 15:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) | 15:15 |
| ogra | rsalveti, davidm alrteady did ;) | 15:15 |
| ogra | see planet | 15:15 |
| rsalveti | new kernel for omap3, based on 38-rc5, should work quite same way for us | 15:15 |
| rsalveti | ogra: nice, will check | 15:16 |
| rsalveti | for omap 4 cooloney is still working on the DVI patches | 15:16 |
| rsalveti | once he's done he'll update the ti-omap4-dev branch | 15:16 |
| ogra | did anyone test the ppa kernel yet ? | 15:16 |
| rsalveti | janimo? | 15:16 |
| janimo | I ran it today | 15:16 |
| janimo | and booted, but reverted to .35 after that | 15:17 |
| rsalveti | should work, as it's basically upstream | 15:17 |
| ogra | what didnt work ? ;) | 15:17 |
| janimo | I tried turning off proc1 | 15:17 |
| janimo | and the command hung | 15:17 |
| janimo | even if the board did not | 15:17 |
| ogra | no PM in that kernel | 15:17 |
| janimo | so no CPU hitplug? | 15:17 |
| ogra | so thats not surprising | 15:17 |
| janimo | the sysfs file is exposed though | 15:17 |
| rsalveti | janimo: don't expect pm to work :-) | 15:17 |
| ogra | i would think hotplug is a PM feature | 15:17 |
| janimo | it should not if it does not work | 15:17 |
| rsalveti | well, pm is there | 15:17 |
| GrueMaster | That's the same on .35 kernel. | 15:17 |
| rsalveti | just doesn't work :-) | 15:17 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, on the natty .35 one ? | 15:18 |
| janimo | also I saw tiwlann errors in dmesg but maybe I did not nstall some firmware pkg | 15:18 |
| ogra | there it should work | 15:18 |
| janimo | did not test much else | 15:18 |
| rsalveti | janimo: could be | 15:18 |
| GrueMaster | Mmm. May have been mav. | 15:18 |
| janimo | as I wanted to build mono and did not want to risk an oops or something | 15:18 |
| ogra | natty .35 has the PM patches | 15:18 |
| rsalveti | natty should be fine | 15:18 |
| GrueMaster | I hit it testing f-spot last night. | 15:18 |
| rsalveti | I tested yesterday while testing mono | 15:18 |
| ogra | .38 wont have or get them though | 15:18 |
| janimo | rsalveti, so tiwlan on panda should work without TI PPA now? | 15:18 |
| rsalveti | put second cpu off and still going fine | 15:18 |
| janimo | that would be nice | 15:19 |
| rsalveti | janimo: yup, just need the right firmware | 15:19 |
| janimo | hmm, so a restriced package just as on x86? | 15:19 |
| janimo | without needed to fetch from the TI ppa? | 15:20 |
| ogra | likely that way | 15:20 |
| persia | Is the firmware merged into linux-firmware? | 15:20 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 15:20 |
| ogra | persia, not yet | 15:20 |
| janimo | anyway we'll discuss in #arm later | 15:20 |
| ogra | and i think the codebase isnt fully merged either yet | 15:20 |
| rsalveti | but no other news from TI | 15:20 |
| rsalveti | nor Linaro, about newer changes for OMAP 4 | 15:20 |
| ogra | we have to wait for TI's "go" | 15:20 |
| janimo | do TI make a new code drop in the PPA sometime? | 15:20 |
| janimo | ok | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | once we have the "go" we can update the branch and publish it to the ppa | 15:21 |
| ogra | janimo, for natty, yes, but note they are not bound to release schedule | 15:21 |
| janimo | sure | 15:21 |
| ogra | its a PPA after all | 15:21 |
| ogra | just needs to be ready by release | 15:21 |
| janimo | I see tiwlan firmware on x86 so maybe I just need to get that pkg on the panda too | 15:21 |
| janimo | if it is built against this kernel version | 15:21 |
| ogra | try it :) | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | current schedule ways that we'll have a working 38 kernel days before the final release hehe :-) | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | *says | 15:22 |
| ogra | if it works we can just pull it over | 15:22 |
| rsalveti | we'll see :-) | 15:22 |
| rsalveti | move? | 15:22 |
| ogra | well, as long as we have sound and display we can drop .35 imho | 15:22 |
| NCommander | [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:22 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:22 |
| rsalveti | ogra: probably | 15:22 |
| ogra | the other features will just stream in | 15:23 |
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| GrueMaster | This week has been busy with a flurry of kernel updates from the kernel team on older releases. | 15:23 |
| ogra | and network :) | 15:23 |
| ogra | oh, we moved = | 15:23 |
| persia | And USB, please. | 15:23 |
| GrueMaster | sigh. | 15:23 |
| ogra | persia, network expects USb | 15:23 |
| GrueMaster | Kernel updates for Lucid and Maverick on Dove have a serious regression in that they corrupt the console output. | 15:24 |
| rsalveti | ouch | 15:24 |
| GrueMaster | Also working on a revised script for pulling a bug list from LP that better suits the teams needs. WIP. | 15:25 |
| GrueMaster | May not be able to get everything as some search query capabilities appear to be missing from lplib. | 15:26 |
| ogra | file bugs ;) | 15:27 |
| GrueMaster | Linaro team has me hopping on some old (karmic) bugs. Apparently they can't reproduce the failures on natty with newer platforms. Go figure. | 15:27 |
| ogra | heh | 15:27 |
| GrueMaster | ogra: planned on it once I can dive back in. Kernel testing preempted this for the moment. | 15:27 |
| GrueMaster | That's it for QA. | 15:28 |
| ogra | great | 15:28 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 15:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 15:29 |
| janimo | triaged/tested and closed a few bugs in yesterday's porting jam | 15:29 |
| NCommander | Did some debugging work on mono, made some interesting progress | 15:29 |
| janimo | fixed one more alignment related FTBFS during the week | 15:30 |
| NCommander | janimo: any chance you looked at kdebindings? I'm stumped on that build failure, and a second set of eyes might help | 15:30 |
| janimo | NCommander, ok, will take a look | 15:30 |
| ogra | the mono smp finding was awesome, kudos to rsalveti and GrueMaster !! | 15:30 |
| janimo | yes | 15:30 |
| NCommander | ogra: unfortunately, even adding memory barriers to mono doesn't quite fix it :-( | 15:31 |
| NCommander | If anything, it breaks worse now | 15:31 |
| rsalveti | urgh | 15:31 |
| janimo | I think both banshee bugs have the same root and should be dupes | 15:31 |
| GrueMaster | It will be a major step in the right direction. | 15:31 |
| rsalveti | NCommander: did you talk with upstream already? | 15:31 |
| NCommander | rsalveti: yeah, and we cooked a patch | 15:31 |
| janimo | NCommander, did they have a patch in 2.8 or 2.10 already? | 15:31 |
| NCommander | http://pastebin.com/aRZ0R2HK - for reference | 15:31 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://pastebin.com/aRZ0R2HK - for reference | 15:31 |
| ogra | NCommander, it works with nosmp | 15:32 |
| NCommander | janimo: no charges to the code in 2.8 or 2.10, I am working against 2.10 for the moment with intergration with upstream | 15:32 |
| NCommander | ogra: yes, I know :-) | 15:32 |
| ogra | rthats a massive progress | 15:32 |
| rsalveti | we can just say, turn one cpu off in case you want to play music with banshee :-) | 15:32 |
| janimo | NCommander, is that for armv6? | 15:33 |
| ogra | rsalveti, if PM works ;) | 15:33 |
| NCommander | janimo: and great, we're continuing to work on it :-/ | 15:33 |
| rsalveti | ogra: haha, true | 15:33 |
| janimo | on ARMv7 memory barrier is DMB I think no coprocessor instrucitons involved | 15:33 |
| ogra | but yeah, gross hack but would work | 15:33 |
| NCommander | janimo: we decided for the sake of upstream to do it with the MCR instruction so they don't have to specifically decide at runtime which ARM variant we're on :-/ | 15:34 |
| janimo | NCommander, from what I've seen in the code they test for armv7 in a few places already, but it's ok | 15:34 |
| NCommander | janimo: I think I figured out why our code is busted though | 15:35 |
| janimo | what seems interesting is that on their CI site (monkeywrench) 2.8/arm/ubuntu 9.04 passes tests | 15:35 |
| * NCommander is now more awake and relooking at the patch | 15:35 | |
| davidm | G;day NCommander ogra janimo rsalveti GrueMaster persia | 15:35 |
| ogra | how about discussing that offline ? | 15:35 |
| ogra | seems to get a bit to much into detail for the meeting | 15:35 |
| GrueMaster | janimo: 9.04 was armv5 iirc. | 15:35 |
| janimo | GrueMaster, oh that would explain a lot of things | 15:36 |
| ogra | yes | 15:36 |
| ogra | 9.04 was essentially debian recompiled | 15:36 |
| janimo | they don;t have more arm boards to set up more CI boxes. too bad | 15:36 |
| GrueMaster | They can order panda's. :P | 15:37 |
| ogra | move ?? | 15:38 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 15:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 15:38 |
| ogra | failed today (as all arches did) | 15:39 |
| GrueMaster | yep | 15:39 |
| ogra | thanks to computer-janitor | 15:39 |
| ogra | lool fixed that afaik | 15:39 |
| GrueMaster | Zzzzzz | 15:41 |
| NCommander | [topic] AOB | 15:41 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 15:41 |
| ogra | flash-kernel has issues with panda with the new kernel | 15:41 |
| * NCommander groans | 15:41 | |
| ogra | specifically with linaro using a unified omap flavour | 15:42 |
| NCommander | ogra: ugh, they changed omap4 to use 'omap'? | 15:42 |
| ogra | but also with the kernel reporting omap4 boards differently | 15:42 |
| * NCommander notes that breaks a ton of sanity checks ... | 15:42 | |
| ogra | NCommander, yes | 15:42 |
| ogra | that was on their roadmap for quite some time | 15:42 |
| GrueMaster | How will that even be possible? | 15:43 |
| ogra | ?? | 15:43 |
| ogra | it apparently works | 15:43 |
| GrueMaster | Can one kernel run both platforms? | 15:43 |
| ogra | ask linaro kernel devs how they did it | 15:43 |
| ogra | sure | 15:43 |
| GrueMaster | ok | 15:43 |
| rsalveti | sure, at least one omap kernel for all | 15:43 |
| rsalveti | that's the upstream direction | 15:43 |
| ogra | well, i guess it wont run on omap2 | 15:43 |
| rsalveti | hehe, true | 15:44 |
| rsalveti | omap 3 and omap 4 | 15:44 |
| ogra | but who has the hw to test that anyway | 15:44 |
| GrueMaster | Oh, boohoo. | 15:44 |
| rsalveti | nobody cares for omap 2 anymore | 15:44 |
| ogra | anyway, just wanted to mention it | 15:44 |
| ogra | aob seemed appropriate | 15:44 |
| GrueMaster | Interesting. | 15:44 |
| rsalveti | and soon just one u-boot too | 15:44 |
| ogra | we need to look into that | 15:44 |
| ogra | and most likely reqork some of the subarch detection | 15:44 |
| rsalveti | x-loader should still be different for the moment, as it needs the hardware id | 15:44 |
| GrueMaster | ...and in the darkness, bind them. | 15:44 |
| ogra | (as we need to do for blaze anyway to fix the open bug) | 15:45 |
| janimo | these are all post natty right? unified uboot and kernel | 15:45 |
| ogra | janimo, fixing flash-kernel is natty | 15:45 |
| ogra | bootloaders arent | 15:45 |
| rsalveti | janimo: unified probably | 15:45 |
| janimo | right, I mean omap3/4 unification | 15:45 |
| janimo | binaries | 15:45 |
| ogra | and will likely require HW changes anyway | 15:45 |
| ogra | the rom code wont just handle unified x-loader | 15:45 |
| rsalveti | nops | 15:46 |
| ogra | janimo, unified kernels are reality in linaro | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | but only one u-boot and kernel is cool enough already | 15:46 |
| ogra | and flash-kernel currently breajs for them | 15:46 |
| ogra | 'breaks | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | lool seems to be fixing it | 15:46 |
| ogra | lool fixes upstream | 15:46 |
| ogra | we need to fix it downstream for the moment | 15:47 |
| ogra | debian doesnt support omap4 yet | 15:47 |
| ogra | and i dont even thing omap3 atm | 15:47 |
| persia | So we should have unified kernels in "linux" for natty+1? | 15:47 |
| rsalveti | at least for omap | 15:48 |
| ogra | yes | 15:48 |
| persia | Cool. | 15:48 |
| ogra | possibly +2 who knows | 15:48 |
| ogra | in any case linaro has it today | 15:48 |
| ogra | anyway, thats all from me | 15:48 |
| rsalveti | I'm also done | 15:49 |
| NCommander | anything else? | 15:49 |
| rsalveti | move! :-) | 15:49 |
| NCommander | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:52. | 15:52 |
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| lool | rsalveti: I'm not working on Ubuntu's flash-kernel ATM | 16:03 |
| rsalveti | lool: yeah, ogra explained | 16:03 |
| lool | rsalveti: So I don't think I'll be fixing any Linaro/Ubuntu issue soon; the work I'm doing is rather longer term investment in having a more useful flash-kernel | 16:03 |
| rsalveti | but good anyway | 16:03 |
| ogra | lool, thats what i expected | 16:04 |
| lool | In any case, I kept relatively quiet on this because I don't want to discourage people from improving flash-kernel just because I might possibly be working on it | 16:04 |
| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| beardygnome | hi charlie-tca, we're selling our house at the moment and I've got someone coming round to see it for the first half of the meeting, but will try to make the second half. | 18:46 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, thanks for letting me know | 18:46 |
| charlie-tca | take your time with the house. That is more important | 18:47 |
| beardygnome | cheers charlie-tca, catch you later | 18:47 |
| charlie-tca | I would like to keep this a short meeting. I am already a week behind on minutes from last week, so we got to wing it a bit | 18:58 |
| charlie-tca | #startmeeting | 18:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:59. The chair is charlie-tca. | 18:59 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:59 |
| charlie-tca | Welcome to the Xubuntu Weekly community meeting | 19:00 |
| charlie-tca | The full agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 19:00 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Old Business | 19:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Old Business | 19:00 |
| charlie-tca | Since I am behind on the minutes, does anyone remember if there is any old business to discuss? | 19:01 |
| knome | marketing | 19:01 |
| knome | says agenda | 19:01 |
| knome | no - i think that's for the prev meetin | 19:02 |
| knome | +g | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | Yes, we still need to create a marketing plan on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | any volunteers to do that? | 19:02 |
| ochosi | yeah, btw i'm sorry since i wasn't here the last couple of days i didn't manage to move the publicity-section from shimmer-wiki to the xubuntu wiki yet | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | No problem, I remembered you were gonna be busy | 19:03 |
| knome | don't add a specific action for me, but i'll work on the marketing plan, probably with ochosi and mr_pouit (and maybe pleia2) | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | and make it on the wiki? | 19:03 |
| knome | it would be great if ochosi could take the item so we can move our plans to the ubuntu wiki once we have something more | 19:04 |
| Sysi | knome suggested it for me once but i'll propably be just watching and trying to learn | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, carried forward then | 19:04 |
| knome | i need to go toi toilet, but you could even make it a shimmer action | 19:04 |
| knome | :P | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | (yes, i am in a bit of a hurry today) | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | [ACTION] shimmer project to move items pertaining to Xubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | 19:05 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: shimmer project to move items pertaining to Xubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks, knome | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads | 19:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Team updates - Team Leads | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Packaging & Development | 19:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Packaging & Development | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: your turn for updating us | 19:06 |
| mr_pouit | okay, sorry for being late | 19:07 |
| * charlie-tca thinks you got here right on time, packaging and development updates | 19:07 | |
| mr_pouit | * More syncs from debian experimental | 19:07 |
| mr_pouit | * Updated xfce4-session and tumbler to the latest upstream releases | 19:07 |
| mr_pouit | * More bugfixes/improvements for xubuntu-default-settings (Bug #79053, Bug #718177, mostly menu tuning, feedback welcome!) | 19:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 79053 in xfdesktop "Network menu entry is confusing (Xubuntu)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79053 | 19:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 718177 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "The current Xubuntu menu hides too many entries" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718177 | 19:07 |
| mr_pouit | * Uploaded update-notifier to fix restarting with 4.8 (Bug #716905) | 19:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 716905 in update-notifier (Ubuntu Natty) "[Xubuntu] Unable to restart" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716905 | 19:07 |
| mr_pouit | * Fixed a few plugins to work with the new panel (xfce4-weather-plugin, xfce4-timer-plugin). | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | I want to say the weather plugin is working in Natty now | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | great | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | and some bugs reported for the integration with ubiquity | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | that's all | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | You have been busy! | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | as I wrote, some feedback is welcome for the menu | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you for your hard work. | 19:08 |
| ochosi | one more quick note in the packaging department from me: i'm working hard on making gmusicbrowser final for natty, should be ready next week before the freeze | 19:09 |
| ochosi | iirc micahg does the packaging of that one? | 19:09 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 19:10 |
| mr_pouit | (yeah, the two remaining items are a new elementary-icon-theme release and gmusicbrowser) | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | and the wallpaper, right? | 19:10 |
| knome | that isn't a "feature" ? | 19:10 |
| micahg | yeah, I've been trying, I need to get someone to show me how to get the debian upstream dir not to import | 19:10 |
| ochosi | yep about elementary icons: talked with upstream today, they will do a new release for us in time for the feature freeze and will also accept our packages until then | 19:10 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, but it can be uploaded after feature freeze (next thursday) | 19:10 |
| mr_pouit | (the wp) | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 19:10 |
| ochosi | micahg: can we talk about gmusicbrowser in #xubuntu-devel after the meeting? | 19:11 |
| mr_pouit | for the icon theme and gmb, it's easier it they are ready before that :) | 19:11 |
| mr_pouit | s/it/if/ | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: mr_pouit or cody-somerville should be able to help with that, can't they? | 19:11 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: well, it's a git issue | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | oh | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | any other questions for Packaging and Development? | 19:12 |
| charlie-tca | thank you, mr_pouit. | 19:12 |
| mr_pouit | :) | 19:12 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing | 19:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bug Triage & Testing | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | Busy couple of weeks. This week we tested the iso images for 10.04.2 | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | and they passed | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | I fell down on bugs again, but will pick them up next week | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | We need some testers and probably a new testing lead, if anyone is interested | 19:14 |
| charlie-tca | We need to have some more people looking at Natty, so we can get the feedback to mr_pouit and ochosi in time for any changes needed. | 19:15 |
| charlie-tca | We have Natty Alpha3 coming out in two weeks. | 19:15 |
| ochosi | mhm, good point | 19:16 |
| ochosi | > marketing? | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu 10.04.2 will be released either today or tomorrow, depending on testing for Kubuntu and Ubuntu | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | what marketing? | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | did I get lost again? | 19:17 |
| knome | next topic? | 19:17 |
| Sysi | i didn't get alpha2 to boot from usb, syslinux config fail | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | any questions on bugs and testing? | 19:17 |
| ochosi | (no i meant: maybe getting more people to test is also an issue for marketing) | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | Sysi: correct | 19:17 |
| knome | i suppose it's an issue for anything | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | If you create the image on 10.10 or 10.04, you have to type "live" or " help" at the boot: prompt | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | then it will work | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | and I don't know why | 19:18 |
| mr_pouit | I guess unity is getting all attention, that's why we have less testers | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Website & Marketing | 19:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Website & Marketing | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | We do have users running Natty, and they are quite happy so far | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | anyone have an update on this? pleia2 or knome maybe? | 19:19 |
| knome | no updates. i suppose pleia2 should investigate if we can switch to wordpres | 19:20 |
| knome | +s | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | I was supposed to ask knome to do some drafts with a grey background and a black background as some folks requested at the last meeting, but I didn't | 19:20 |
| knome | pleia2, well now you did :) | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | :) | 19:20 |
| charlie-tca | I am sorry, it would have helped if I had gotten the minutes out | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | not sure who I can follow up with re: wordpress, would that be cody? or canonical? | 19:20 |
| knome | pleia2, probably canonical IS would be the best place to ask | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know for sure | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | I think it is Canonical, though | 19:21 |
| knome | pleia2, afaik cody can't decide anything (he can help on us getting what we want though) | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | ok, I can submit an rt ticket to get things started | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 19:21 |
| knome | pleia2, err, if there is any other way, please use that | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | You want an action for any of that? | 19:21 |
| knome | it took over two years for my last rt tickets to go through | 19:22 |
| knome | and they were really trivial | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | knome: the process I tend to find works best is submit rt ticket, then join #canonical-sysadmin after a couple weeks and ask directly :) | 19:22 |
| knome | pleia2, sure, feel free to ask me to join as well | 19:22 |
| charlie-tca | It helps to know how to push | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | but they are currently under a lot of pressure to upgrade the wiki, so I'm not hopeful that they'll have time in the super near future | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | (they have wiki plans that are being put into place these next few weeks, yay!) | 19:23 |
| charlie-tca | A nice change for O maybe? | 19:23 |
| knome | pleia2, also, do you have time to look at the website later today - let's say at 22 or 23 utc? | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | knome: I can try, I don't get out of work until 1UTC | 19:23 |
| knome | okay. ping me @ #shimmer | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | k | 19:24 |
| knome | anyway, i have a proposal | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you for the update, pleia2. | 19:24 |
| knome | let's arrange a skype meeting to discuss the marketing plans | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | knome: proposal for here or for pleia2 ? | 19:24 |
| knome | as well as possible changes to the xubuntu strategy document | 19:24 |
| knome | here | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | go ahead | 19:24 |
| knome | ^ there you go ;) | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | Don't we all need skype to do that? | 19:25 |
| knome | yeah. we can do any other voip-call as well, if skype is a problem | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | I don't have any, but you can conference me in, if needed | 19:25 |
| knome | but i think it would make much more sense if we could really discuss things | 19:25 |
| Sysi | does everybody have a microphone? | 19:26 |
| knome | not only by typing | 19:26 |
| knome | arrangeable, i think | 19:26 |
| charlie-tca | No, but I can get one | 19:26 |
| knome | i'm not proposing on keeping the meeting now, but arranging one later | 19:26 |
| charlie-tca | okay, knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing | 19:26 |
| knome | you can add an action item for me to do some preparation stuff for that | 19:26 |
| Sysi | (mumble?) | 19:27 |
| charlie-tca | [ACTION] knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing | 19:27 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing | 19:27 |
| charlie-tca | leaves it nicely open to what ever can be done | 19:27 |
| knome | ...as well as the strategy document and the future of xubuntu | 19:27 |
| knome | :) | 19:27 |
| charlie-tca | I don't think I can hit that one today, but it is still in the minutes, too | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | I keep carrying it forward | 19:28 |
| knome | sure | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | visibility counts | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] artwork | 19:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: artwork | 19:29 |
| mr_pouit | Not an update, but a todo item: we need someone to update the slideshows displayed during the installation, they are badly outdated (they were made for karmic or lucid) | 19:29 |
| mr_pouit | (sorry, that was for marketing) | 19:29 |
| charlie-tca | valid point | 19:29 |
| ochosi | yeah, true | 19:29 |
| charlie-tca | that is artwork too | 19:29 |
| knome | artwork but documentation as well | 19:29 |
| charlie-tca | That just hits everything, huh? | 19:29 |
| knome | mmh | 19:30 |
| charlie-tca | [ACTION] find someone to update the slideshow | 19:30 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: find someone to update the slideshow | 19:30 |
| knome | i can work on the technical/artwork side | 19:30 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: any updates? | 19:30 |
| knome | but i need somebody who knows natty | 19:30 |
| charlie-tca | I kind of know natty | 19:30 |
| ochosi | hm, yeah, small updates | 19:30 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit helped me figure out the last remaining issues for panel-plugins in greybird | 19:31 |
| charlie-tca | knome: we will get together somehow on it | 19:31 |
| ochosi | i think in alpha3 everything should work great | 19:31 |
| Sysi | i'll be testing natty (and i have archlinux with xfce 4.8) | 19:31 |
| ochosi | but the changes are not comitted yet | 19:31 |
| ochosi | i have to test it a bit more and and clean up the code for the panel in greybird (which i couldn't do yet since i was away till today) | 19:32 |
| ochosi | the xfwm theme is still missing the stick-button, but i'll add the one from bluebird for now, i think it'll work ok and then the xfwm-theme is also complete | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: can it be done by Feature Freeze on the 24th? | 19:33 |
| ochosi | those two items can be done, yes | 19:33 |
| ochosi | i'm also looking for problems in the icon theme | 19:33 |
| ochosi | so far everything seems ok | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | ouch, I forgot, I got one more for you | 19:34 |
| ochosi | especially after i've done the appfinder-icon | 19:34 |
| ochosi | yes? | 19:34 |
| mr_pouit | (even if it's not fully ready, it's more bugfixes than new features, so it's ok to upload later imho) | 19:34 |
| charlie-tca | change the cursor color and size, it reverts to default in parts of the desktop and windows | 19:34 |
| ochosi | cursor-color and size means mouse-cursor? | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 19:35 |
| ochosi | hm, to be honest i | 19:35 |
| ochosi | 've never dealt with the mouse pointer | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | It will be the changed cursor in the window, then revert in the title bar | 19:35 |
| Sysi | charlie-tca: for what i know it's common 4.8 problem | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | darn | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks, Sysi | 19:35 |
| Sysi | (have it on arch too) | 19:36 |
| ochosi | k, so i guess that's an upstream bugreport, not artwork :) | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | Well, never mind then | 19:36 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, it was present in 4.6 already | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions or comments for artwork? | 19:36 |
| Sysi | but it's after X restart too? | 19:36 |
| ochosi | ok, if anyone finds other missing or problematic icons in elementary (pulled from launchpad/bzr), please let me know | 19:37 |
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| charlie-tca | It depends on the theme, Sysi | 19:37 |
| charlie-tca | some do it no matter what, others are not as bad when starting, but get worse over time | 19:38 |
| Sysi | still propably upstream thing | 19:38 |
| charlie-tca | yeah | 19:38 |
| charlie-tca | since it does spread itself over many themes | 19:38 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC]Discuss panel launchers for natty | 19:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Discuss panel launchers for natty | 19:38 |
| ochosi | ok, the generic icons/launchers should also be ready for natty, haven't tested them yet personally | 19:38 |
| charlie-tca | Are they in natty, or need to be downloaded? | 19:39 |
| ochosi | should be uploaded already | 19:39 |
| ochosi | right mr_pouit ? | 19:39 |
| knome | left charlie-tca | 19:40 |
| knome | har har | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | I will be testing the images this weekend | 19:40 |
| knome | :) | 19:40 |
| ochosi | what a funny knome :) | 19:40 |
| ochosi | ok great | 19:40 |
| mr_pouit | yep, uploaded already | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you, ochosi and mr_pouit | 19:41 |
| charlie-tca | anything else for the default launchers? | 19:41 |
| ochosi | my suggestion for panel items would be something like: Desktop | Browser Email Musicplayer Terminal Abiword | Folders and maybe Trash | 19:41 |
| ochosi | oh, and Software Center | 19:41 |
| Sysi | terminal in panel is.. handy but questionable | 19:41 |
| charlie-tca | software center ? people really use that? | 19:42 |
| Sysi | i think advertising it would be good | 19:42 |
| charlie-tca | I agree with the panel launcher list as presented then | 19:42 |
| ochosi | oh, and Appfinder | 19:42 |
| Sysi | if it fits our target groups | 19:42 |
| ochosi | ok | 19:43 |
| Sysi | personally i've never used appfinder, and would it give good picture about xubuntu? | 19:43 |
| charlie-tca | [IDEA] Default panel launchers to be Desktop | Browser Email Musicplayer Terminal Abiword SoftwareCenter Appfinder | Folders | 19:43 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Default panel launchers to be Desktop | Browser Email Musicplayer Terminal Abiword SoftwareCenter Appfinder | Folders | 19:43 |
| charlie-tca | appfinder is xfce specific and it is great | 19:44 |
| ochosi | +1 | 19:44 |
| Sysi | though i don't see real promlems in about anything added to panel | 19:44 |
| ochosi | and: it will get even better in xfce 4.10 | 19:44 |
| charlie-tca | It lets you find any app on the computer, whether or not they show in the menus | 19:44 |
| charlie-tca | and it is fast. I have been using in Natty, since we didn't have a menu when I upgraded. | 19:45 |
| charlie-tca | I did tell a gnome guy to use one day, that was bad | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | s/use one/use appfinder one | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | any other comments on launchers? | 19:46 |
| ochosi | sry people, g2g | 19:46 |
| ochosi | will read the log tomorrow | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Announcements | 19:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Announcements | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | I have one announcement - Xfce is starting on 4.10 now, to be ready in January 2012. | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | It will include Accessibility built in, if it goes according to plan | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | and if it stays on schedule - ready for LTS release in April 2012 | 19:48 |
| mr_pouit | thunar 1.3.0 is already out (first development release for 4.10) | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks, ochosi | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | late agaibn | 19:49 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Any Other Business | 19:49 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any Other Business | 19:49 |
| charlie-tca | Does anyone have anything further for this meeting? | 19:49 |
| charlie-tca | I propose we take up the strategy document starting in three weeks, a bit at a time. | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | the meeting of March 10 is what I am thinking | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | I want to thank everyone for attending and participating in this meeting. | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | we will have another meeting in one week, 2011-02-24 at 19:00 UTC | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks, all | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | #endmeeting | 19:52 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 13:52. | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | and we will need to discuss alternate meeting times later too | 19:53 |
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| beardygnome | hi, is the meeting still going? | 20:06 |
| Sysi | <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:52. | 20:07 |
| beardygnome | cheers, i'll catch up with charlie-tca in xubuntu-devel | 20:08 |
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