[11:10] http://design.canonical.com/brand/10.%20Photography%20treatments.pdf <----- very useful document === 16WAAHT8Q is now known as ian_brasil [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is NCommander. [15:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:00] * rsalveti waves [15:00] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110217 [15:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110217 [15:00] Who's here this morning [15:01] hello [15:02] * NCommander pokes GrueMaster ogra persia [15:02] and davidm [15:02] * GrueMaster is pre-caffeinated. [15:02] davidm may be running late. [15:03] (he mentioned it last night in a different channel). [15:03] ah [15:03] * ogra pokes NCommander back [15:03] * NCommander is poked [15:03] k [15:03] let's go [15:03] [topic] Action Item Review [15:03] New Topic: Action Item Review [15:04] [topic] NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs (co) [15:04] New Topic: NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs (co) [15:04] Done. Thanks ogra for bringing it up at the release meeting [15:04] [topic] Standing Items [15:04] New Topic: Standing Items [15:04] i didnt [15:04] ogra: I thought you said you did in #ubuntu-release [15:04] I had one action to talk with cooloney to work on the DVI patches, and he's already working on it [15:04] i just changed our report but that didnt mean that kate used the other tracker [15:04] * NCommander coughs [15:05] she does now after our conversation in #ubuntu-release, yes [15:05] I also did talk with skaet_ on this the other day [15:05] i dodnt think she noticed it in the report [15:05] ah [15:05] (which is why you should talk to her ;) ) [15:05] either way, its resolved [15:05] yes [15:05] :) [15:06] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [15:06] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [15:06] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html [15:06] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [15:07] no comments on the workitem tracker? [15:07] we look pretty good i'd say [15:08] cool [15:08] we need to move items next week though [15:08] * NCommander moves on [15:08] [topic] Unity 2D Status [15:08] if there are any we dont make [15:08] New Topic: Unity 2D Status [15:08] also good :-) [15:08] its on the images since yesterday [15:08] i'll care for the new upstream next week [15:08] And semi-works too. [15:08] the dash isnt fixed in that version [15:09] upstream has the fix already afaik [15:09] upstream is at 3.4 while we are at 3.2 [15:09] Is une-efl still seeded in the image or no? [15:09] no [15:09] its gone to universe already [15:09] oh, cool [15:09] Ok. Hadn't checked due to other high priority testing. [15:10] It was useful in that unity-2d can't launch apps yet. [15:10] we're waiting for QT for NEON stuff [15:10] it launches apps for me [15:10] just doesnt show the dash [15:10] Try launching a terminal. [15:10] well, shows it but doesnt get you search results [15:10] i dont have a terminal in the launcher [15:11] and the dash doesnt work [15:11] what i click on in the launcher works here [15:11] Filemanager also crashes, but I think that is due to the icons bug. [15:11] hmm, works for me too [15:12] (can't tell as I have no terminal. ) :P [15:12] i have issues with it on my x86 lappie, but not on the panda [15:12] but as i said. new upstrea pending that will solve the dash issue [15:13] Open the file manager and go to /usr/share/applications. It will crash trying to display the .desktop icons. [15:13] (which was the alternate way to launch the terminal) [15:14] ah, i didnt try that [15:14] well, overall unity-2d looks ok apart from known bugs [15:15] yep [15:15] that's fine [15:15] NCommander, move (if there arent any other issues) [15:15] now we need to blog about it :-) [15:15] or wait alpha-3 [15:15] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [15:15] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [15:15] rsalveti, davidm alrteady did ;) [15:15] see planet [15:15] new kernel for omap3, based on 38-rc5, should work quite same way for us [15:16] ogra: nice, will check [15:16] for omap 4 cooloney is still working on the DVI patches [15:16] once he's done he'll update the ti-omap4-dev branch [15:16] did anyone test the ppa kernel yet ? [15:16] janimo? [15:16] I ran it today [15:17] and booted, but reverted to .35 after that [15:17] should work, as it's basically upstream [15:17] what didnt work ? ;) [15:17] I tried turning off proc1 [15:17] and the command hung [15:17] even if the board did not [15:17] no PM in that kernel [15:17] so no CPU hitplug? [15:17] so thats not surprising [15:17] the sysfs file is exposed though [15:17] janimo: don't expect pm to work :-) [15:17] i would think hotplug is a PM feature [15:17] it should not if it does not work [15:17] well, pm is there [15:17] That's the same on .35 kernel. [15:17] just doesn't work :-) [15:18] GrueMaster, on the natty .35 one ? [15:18] also I saw tiwlann errors in dmesg but maybe I did not nstall some firmware pkg [15:18] there it should work [15:18] did not test much else [15:18] janimo: could be [15:18] Mmm. May have been mav. [15:18] as I wanted to build mono and did not want to risk an oops or something [15:18] natty .35 has the PM patches [15:18] natty should be fine [15:18] I hit it testing f-spot last night. [15:18] I tested yesterday while testing mono [15:18] .38 wont have or get them though [15:18] rsalveti, so tiwlan on panda should work without TI PPA now? [15:18] put second cpu off and still going fine [15:19] that would be nice [15:19] janimo: yup, just need the right firmware [15:19] hmm, so a restriced package just as on x86? [15:20] without needed to fetch from the TI ppa? [15:20] likely that way [15:20] Is the firmware merged into linux-firmware? [15:20] yeah [15:20] persia, not yet [15:20] anyway we'll discuss in #arm later [15:20] and i think the codebase isnt fully merged either yet [15:20] but no other news from TI [15:20] nor Linaro, about newer changes for OMAP 4 [15:20] we have to wait for TI's "go" [15:20] do TI make a new code drop in the PPA sometime? [15:21] ok [15:21] once we have the "go" we can update the branch and publish it to the ppa [15:21] janimo, for natty, yes, but note they are not bound to release schedule [15:21] sure [15:21] its a PPA after all [15:21] just needs to be ready by release [15:21] I see tiwlan firmware on x86 so maybe I just need to get that pkg on the panda too [15:21] if it is built against this kernel version [15:21] try it :) [15:21] current schedule ways that we'll have a working 38 kernel days before the final release hehe :-) [15:22] *says [15:22] if it works we can just pull it over [15:22] we'll see :-) [15:22] move? [15:22] well, as long as we have sound and display we can drop .35 imho [15:22] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:22] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:22] ogra: probably [15:23] the other features will just stream in === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:23] This week has been busy with a flurry of kernel updates from the kernel team on older releases. [15:23] and network :) [15:23] oh, we moved = [15:23] And USB, please. [15:23] sigh. [15:23] persia, network expects USb [15:24] Kernel updates for Lucid and Maverick on Dove have a serious regression in that they corrupt the console output. [15:24] ouch [15:25] Also working on a revised script for pulling a bug list from LP that better suits the teams needs. WIP. [15:26] May not be able to get everything as some search query capabilities appear to be missing from lplib. [15:27] file bugs ;) [15:27] Linaro team has me hopping on some old (karmic) bugs. Apparently they can't reproduce the failures on natty with newer platforms. Go figure. [15:27] heh [15:27] ogra: planned on it once I can dive back in. Kernel testing preempted this for the moment. [15:28] That's it for QA. [15:28] great [15:29] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:29] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:29] triaged/tested and closed a few bugs in yesterday's porting jam [15:29] Did some debugging work on mono, made some interesting progress [15:30] fixed one more alignment related FTBFS during the week [15:30] janimo: any chance you looked at kdebindings? I'm stumped on that build failure, and a second set of eyes might help [15:30] NCommander, ok, will take a look [15:30] the mono smp finding was awesome, kudos to rsalveti and GrueMaster !! [15:30] yes [15:31] ogra: unfortunately, even adding memory barriers to mono doesn't quite fix it :-( [15:31] If anything, it breaks worse now [15:31] urgh [15:31] I think both banshee bugs have the same root and should be dupes [15:31] It will be a major step in the right direction. [15:31] NCommander: did you talk with upstream already? [15:31] rsalveti: yeah, and we cooked a patch [15:31] NCommander, did they have a patch in 2.8 or 2.10 already? [15:31] http://pastebin.com/aRZ0R2HK - for reference [15:31] LINK received: http://pastebin.com/aRZ0R2HK - for reference [15:32] NCommander, it works with nosmp [15:32] janimo: no charges to the code in 2.8 or 2.10, I am working against 2.10 for the moment with intergration with upstream [15:32] ogra: yes, I know :-) [15:32] rthats a massive progress [15:32] we can just say, turn one cpu off in case you want to play music with banshee :-) [15:33] NCommander, is that for armv6? [15:33] rsalveti, if PM works ;) [15:33] janimo: and great, we're continuing to work on it :-/ [15:33] ogra: haha, true [15:33] on ARMv7 memory barrier is DMB I think no coprocessor instrucitons involved [15:33] but yeah, gross hack but would work [15:34] janimo: we decided for the sake of upstream to do it with the MCR instruction so they don't have to specifically decide at runtime which ARM variant we're on :-/ [15:34] NCommander, from what I've seen in the code they test for armv7 in a few places already, but it's ok [15:35] janimo: I think I figured out why our code is busted though [15:35] what seems interesting is that on their CI site (monkeywrench) 2.8/arm/ubuntu 9.04 passes tests [15:35] * NCommander is now more awake and relooking at the patch [15:35] G;day NCommander ogra janimo rsalveti GrueMaster persia [15:35] how about discussing that offline ? [15:35] seems to get a bit to much into detail for the meeting [15:35] janimo: 9.04 was armv5 iirc. [15:36] GrueMaster, oh that would explain a lot of things [15:36] yes [15:36] 9.04 was essentially debian recompiled [15:36] they don;t have more arm boards to set up more CI boxes. too bad [15:37] They can order panda's. :P [15:38] move ?? [15:38] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:38] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:39] failed today (as all arches did) [15:39] yep [15:39] thanks to computer-janitor [15:39] lool fixed that afaik [15:41] Zzzzzz [15:41] [topic] AOB [15:41] New Topic: AOB [15:41] flash-kernel has issues with panda with the new kernel [15:41] * NCommander groans [15:42] specifically with linaro using a unified omap flavour [15:42] ogra: ugh, they changed omap4 to use 'omap'? [15:42] but also with the kernel reporting omap4 boards differently [15:42] * NCommander notes that breaks a ton of sanity checks ... [15:42] NCommander, yes [15:42] that was on their roadmap for quite some time [15:43] How will that even be possible? [15:43] ?? [15:43] it apparently works [15:43] Can one kernel run both platforms? [15:43] ask linaro kernel devs how they did it [15:43] sure [15:43] ok [15:43] sure, at least one omap kernel for all [15:43] that's the upstream direction [15:43] well, i guess it wont run on omap2 [15:44] hehe, true [15:44] omap 3 and omap 4 [15:44] but who has the hw to test that anyway [15:44] Oh, boohoo. [15:44] nobody cares for omap 2 anymore [15:44] anyway, just wanted to mention it [15:44] aob seemed appropriate [15:44] Interesting. [15:44] and soon just one u-boot too [15:44] we need to look into that [15:44] and most likely reqork some of the subarch detection [15:44] x-loader should still be different for the moment, as it needs the hardware id [15:44] ...and in the darkness, bind them. [15:45] (as we need to do for blaze anyway to fix the open bug) [15:45] these are all post natty right? unified uboot and kernel [15:45] janimo, fixing flash-kernel is natty [15:45] bootloaders arent [15:45] janimo: unified probably [15:45] right, I mean omap3/4 unification [15:45] binaries [15:45] and will likely require HW changes anyway [15:45] the rom code wont just handle unified x-loader [15:46] nops [15:46] janimo, unified kernels are reality in linaro [15:46] but only one u-boot and kernel is cool enough already [15:46] and flash-kernel currently breajs for them [15:46] 'breaks [15:46] lool seems to be fixing it [15:46] lool fixes upstream [15:47] we need to fix it downstream for the moment [15:47] debian doesnt support omap4 yet [15:47] and i dont even thing omap3 atm [15:47] So we should have unified kernels in "linux" for natty+1? [15:48] at least for omap [15:48] yes [15:48] Cool. [15:48] possibly +2 who knows [15:48] in any case linaro has it today [15:48] anyway, thats all from me [15:49] I'm also done [15:49] anything else? [15:49] move! :-) [15:52] #endmeeting [15:52] Meeting finished at 09:52. === ayan_ is now known as ayan [16:03] rsalveti: I'm not working on Ubuntu's flash-kernel ATM [16:03] lool: yeah, ogra explained [16:03] rsalveti: So I don't think I'll be fixing any Linaro/Ubuntu issue soon; the work I'm doing is rather longer term investment in having a more useful flash-kernel [16:03] but good anyway [16:04] lool, thats what i expected [16:04] In any case, I kept relatively quiet on this because I don't want to discourage people from improving flash-kernel just because I might possibly be working on it === JanC_ is now known as JanC [18:46] hi charlie-tca, we're selling our house at the moment and I've got someone coming round to see it for the first half of the meeting, but will try to make the second half. [18:46] Okay, thanks for letting me know [18:47] take your time with the house. That is more important [18:47] cheers charlie-tca, catch you later [18:58] I would like to keep this a short meeting. I am already a week behind on minutes from last week, so we got to wing it a bit [18:59] #startmeeting [18:59] Meeting started at 12:59. The chair is charlie-tca. [18:59] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [19:00] Welcome to the Xubuntu Weekly community meeting [19:00] The full agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:00] [TOPIC] Old Business [19:00] New Topic: Old Business [19:01] Since I am behind on the minutes, does anyone remember if there is any old business to discuss? [19:01] marketing [19:01] says agenda [19:02] no - i think that's for the prev meetin [19:02] +g [19:02] Yes, we still need to create a marketing plan on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu [19:02] any volunteers to do that? [19:02] yeah, btw i'm sorry since i wasn't here the last couple of days i didn't manage to move the publicity-section from shimmer-wiki to the xubuntu wiki yet [19:03] No problem, I remembered you were gonna be busy [19:03] don't add a specific action for me, but i'll work on the marketing plan, probably with ochosi and mr_pouit (and maybe pleia2) [19:03] and make it on the wiki? [19:04] it would be great if ochosi could take the item so we can move our plans to the ubuntu wiki once we have something more [19:04] knome suggested it for me once but i'll propably be just watching and trying to learn [19:04] Okay, carried forward then [19:04] i need to go toi toilet, but you could even make it a shimmer action [19:04] :P [19:04] (yes, i am in a bit of a hurry today) [19:05] [ACTION] shimmer project to move items pertaining to Xubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu [19:05] ACTION received: shimmer project to move items pertaining to Xubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu [19:05] Thanks, knome [19:06] [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads [19:06] New Topic: Team updates - Team Leads [19:06] [TOPIC] Packaging & Development [19:06] New Topic: Packaging & Development [19:06] mr_pouit: your turn for updating us [19:07] okay, sorry for being late [19:07] * charlie-tca thinks you got here right on time, packaging and development updates [19:07] * More syncs from debian experimental [19:07] * Updated xfce4-session and tumbler to the latest upstream releases [19:07] * More bugfixes/improvements for xubuntu-default-settings (Bug #79053, Bug #718177, mostly menu tuning, feedback welcome!) [19:07] Launchpad bug 79053 in xfdesktop "Network menu entry is confusing (Xubuntu)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79053 [19:07] Launchpad bug 718177 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "The current Xubuntu menu hides too many entries" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718177 [19:07] * Uploaded update-notifier to fix restarting with 4.8 (Bug #716905) [19:07] Launchpad bug 716905 in update-notifier (Ubuntu Natty) "[Xubuntu] Unable to restart" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716905 [19:07] * Fixed a few plugins to work with the new panel (xfce4-weather-plugin, xfce4-timer-plugin). [19:08] I want to say the weather plugin is working in Natty now [19:08] great [19:08] and some bugs reported for the integration with ubiquity [19:08] that's all [19:08] You have been busy! [19:08] as I wrote, some feedback is welcome for the menu [19:08] Thank you for your hard work. [19:09] one more quick note in the packaging department from me: i'm working hard on making gmusicbrowser final for natty, should be ready next week before the freeze [19:09] iirc micahg does the packaging of that one? [19:10] yup [19:10] (yeah, the two remaining items are a new elementary-icon-theme release and gmusicbrowser) [19:10] and the wallpaper, right? [19:10] that isn't a "feature" ? [19:10] yeah, I've been trying, I need to get someone to show me how to get the debian upstream dir not to import [19:10] yep about elementary icons: talked with upstream today, they will do a new release for us in time for the feature freeze and will also accept our packages until then [19:10] yeah, but it can be uploaded after feature freeze (next thursday) [19:10] (the wp) [19:10] okay [19:11] micahg: can we talk about gmusicbrowser in #xubuntu-devel after the meeting? [19:11] for the icon theme and gmb, it's easier it they are ready before that :) [19:11] s/it/if/ [19:11] micahg: mr_pouit or cody-somerville should be able to help with that, can't they? [19:11] charlie-tca: well, it's a git issue [19:11] oh [19:12] any other questions for Packaging and Development? [19:12] thank you, mr_pouit. [19:12] :) [19:13] [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing [19:13] New Topic: Bug Triage & Testing [19:13] Busy couple of weeks. This week we tested the iso images for 10.04.2 [19:13] and they passed [19:13] I fell down on bugs again, but will pick them up next week [19:14] We need some testers and probably a new testing lead, if anyone is interested [19:15] We need to have some more people looking at Natty, so we can get the feedback to mr_pouit and ochosi in time for any changes needed. [19:15] We have Natty Alpha3 coming out in two weeks. [19:16] mhm, good point [19:16] > marketing? [19:16] Xubuntu 10.04.2 will be released either today or tomorrow, depending on testing for Kubuntu and Ubuntu [19:16] what marketing? [19:17] did I get lost again? [19:17] next topic? [19:17] i didn't get alpha2 to boot from usb, syslinux config fail [19:17] any questions on bugs and testing? [19:17] (no i meant: maybe getting more people to test is also an issue for marketing) [19:17] Sysi: correct [19:18] i suppose it's an issue for anything [19:18] If you create the image on 10.10 or 10.04, you have to type "live" or " help" at the boot: prompt [19:18] then it will work [19:18] and I don't know why [19:18] I guess unity is getting all attention, that's why we have less testers [19:19] [TOPIC] Website & Marketing [19:19] New Topic: Website & Marketing [19:19] We do have users running Natty, and they are quite happy so far [19:19] anyone have an update on this? pleia2 or knome maybe? [19:20] no updates. i suppose pleia2 should investigate if we can switch to wordpres [19:20] +s [19:20] I was supposed to ask knome to do some drafts with a grey background and a black background as some folks requested at the last meeting, but I didn't [19:20] pleia2, well now you did :) [19:20] :) [19:20] I am sorry, it would have helped if I had gotten the minutes out [19:20] not sure who I can follow up with re: wordpress, would that be cody? or canonical? [19:21] pleia2, probably canonical IS would be the best place to ask [19:21] I don't know for sure [19:21] I think it is Canonical, though [19:21] pleia2, afaik cody can't decide anything (he can help on us getting what we want though) [19:21] ok, I can submit an rt ticket to get things started [19:21]