[00:10] <CryonicCore> I would like to talk to someone about an unjustified kick
[00:11] <tsimpson> I assume you don't want that to be me, so I'll let someone else take it
[00:12] <CryonicCore> yea u would be the one I am complaining about tsimpson
[00:13] <CryonicCore> abusing oper powers is strictly a no no in IRC
[00:13] <Jordan_U> CryonicCore: You were asked many times to stop your "currently listening to" script, a perfectly reasonable request given that such scripts are against #ubuntu policy. Then you started name calling. I believe the kick was completely justified.
[00:14] <CryonicCore> Jordan_U, I did not name call at all. I request proof of this
[00:15] <Jordan_U> 16:03 < CryonicCore> Logan_WP, ur a cry baby
[00:15] <CryonicCore> Jordan_U, that was not a name call it was facts
[00:15] <mneptok> it's name-calling.
[00:16] <CryonicCore> I dis agree
[00:16] <mneptok> do not use music announce scripts in #ubuntu. period. end of discussion.
[00:16] <CryonicCore> and I wan retribution for abusing oper powers
[00:16] <mneptok> i'm not crying. i'm not whining. i'm telling you. do you understand?
[00:16] <rww> CryonicCore: removing you for violating #ubuntu's guidelines against use of talking scripts is not opabuse.
[00:17]  * Pici mumbles about cooks and kitchens
[00:17] <CryonicCore> if I called him a fucking douchbag then thats name calling but cry baby is just stating facts. Freedom of speech
[00:18] <mneptok> IRC does nto have Freedom Of Speech
[00:18] <mneptok> well, actually it does.
[00:18] <CryonicCore> then this is a tainted server
[00:18] <mneptok> you can say whatever you want. but be prepared for consequences
[00:18] <Jordan_U> CryonicCore: Please watch your language. Swearing is also against the policy of all ubuntu channels.
[00:18] <mneptok> go ahead, say what you want. but accept the consequences like an adult.
[00:19] <CryonicCore> for what stating more facts?
[00:19] <CryonicCore> Jordan_U, u just picked that up now lol wow
[00:19] <Jordan_U> CryonicCore: You can state facts while still staying civil. Please do.
[00:20] <mneptok> CryonicCore: you will not be unbanned at this time. will there be anything else?
[00:20] <CryonicCore> unbanned? im not banned at all
[00:20] <CryonicCore> mneptok, u sure u know what we are talking about?
[00:20]  * mneptok though a +q was given
[00:21] <Jordan_U> mneptok: No, just a kick. Though I was about to make it a ban since CryonicCore has stated that he will continue using his script in #ubuntu otherwise.
[00:22] <CryonicCore> I have stopped so u have justification to do so. nor do u have the logs proving that I have not
[00:22] <CryonicCore> I have stopped so u have no justification to do so. nor do u have the logs proving that I have not
[00:23] <Jordan_U> CryonicCore: If you are allowed to stay in #ubuntu will you continue to use your music announce script?
[00:23] <CryonicCore> I will if I am given an appology for tsimpson for kicking me
[00:24] <CryonicCore> for no warning
[00:24] <Jordan_U> CryonicCore: You were asked multiple times to turn off the script.
[00:24] <rww> and apart from that, you were notified by ChanServ at least twice of the link to #ubuntu's rules
[00:24] <CryonicCore> by users that have stats against me
[00:24] <CryonicCore> by users that have no stats against me
[00:25] <Jordan_U> "stats"?
[00:25] <tsimpson> to clarify, CryonicCore doesn't accept that a non-op can ask them to follow the rules, and that it doesn't count as a warning if they do so
[00:25] <rww> CryonicCore: Listen to people in #ubuntu regardless of whether they're currently opped. This is not some sort of royal court, you don't need to have rank to be right.
[00:25] <CryonicCore> op powers thats what op status is for. I will turn off my script if gievn appology for the kick.
[00:26] <CryonicCore> peaceful resolution
[00:26] <mneptok> i now have +o
[00:26] <mneptok> do NOT use music announce scripts in #ubuntu
[00:26] <mneptok> is that clear?
[00:26] <mneptok> an op is telling you in no uncertaion terms.
[00:26] <CryonicCore> mneptok, ur just adding to the fire
[00:27] <mneptok> trust me, i can put this fire out in seconds if i need to. but you won;t like how i do it.
[00:27] <mneptok> do NOT use music announce scripts in #ubuntu
[00:27] <mneptok> is that clear?
[00:27] <CryonicCore> so ur threatening me now?
[00:27] <mneptok> yes or no
[00:28] <Pici> I believe  that mneptok is trying to settle this, since there doesn't seem to be any other way that doesn't involve going in circles.
[00:28] <mneptok> do NOT use music announce scripts in #ubuntu. is that clear?
[00:28] <mneptok> you r answer is "yes" or "no" or you will be banned from #ubuntu
[00:29] <mneptok> it's not a threat. it;s a 100% guaranteed promise.
[00:29] <CryonicCore> u dont do well with threats
[00:29] <mneptok> and that's the end of that
[00:30] <Jordan_U> Probably should have given !appeal before kicking.
[00:30] <mneptok> !appeal > cryoniccore
[00:30] <mneptok> he's in no channels with botty any more
[00:30] <mneptok> oh well
[00:30] <Jordan_U> Though I feel bad pretty much every time I do knowing that someone else will have to deal with the irrationality.
[00:31] <mneptok> maybe we should change !appeal to !annoy_council
[00:31] <rww> !opabuse
[00:31] <Pici> Thats pretty much what it turns into 90% of the time.
[00:32] <mneptok> DUBYA TEE EFF
[00:32] <mneptok> 17:31 [Freenode] [CryonicCore(~jjj@CPE0018e7e5d9e5-CM0026f39705bd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)] please unban me
[00:32] <Pici> Throw him the appeals link then.
[00:34] <mneptok> did so
[00:34] <Jordan_U> As did I, as he's PMd me now too.
[00:35] <mneptok> he just apologized to me.
[00:36] <Jordan_U> Just begging so far to me.
[00:38] <mneptok> same
[00:45] <rww> yay a PM
[00:49] <tsimpson> ditto
[00:51] <mneptok> and for the record ...
[00:51] <mneptok> 17:42 [Freenode] [CryonicCore(~jjj@CPE0018e7e5d9e5-CM0026f39705bd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)] please unban me from Ubuntu
[00:51] <mneptok> 17:43 [Freenode] [CryonicCore(~jjj@CPE0018e7e5d9e5-CM0026f39705bd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)] I need the channel back fro ubuntu help
[00:51] <mneptok> and then followed by this
[00:51] <mneptok> :42 [Freenode] [CryonicCore(~jjj@CPE0018e7e5d9e5-CM0026f39705bd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)] please unban me from Ubuntu
[00:51] <mneptok> 17:43 [Freenode] [CryonicCore(~jjj@CPE0018e7e5d9e5-CM0026f39705bd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)] I need the channel back fro ubuntu help
[00:51] <mneptok> bah
[00:51] <mneptok> 17:45 [Freenode] [CryonicCore(~jjj@CPE0018e7e5d9e5-CM0026f39705bd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)] IF U DONT UNBAN ME I WILL FUCK U UP U ASSHAT
[00:51] <mneptok> OK, Canada-boy. bring it on.
[00:52] <mneptok> http://mneptok.com/bang.jpg
[00:52] <rww> well, I'm convinced. give them a month or so, they could apply for Membership for outstanding IRC contributions
[00:54] <hypatia> rofl
[00:54] <Jordan_U> mneptok: That really wasn't neccessary (from you).
[00:54] <elky> Yeah...
[00:54] <mneptok> Jordan_U: i did not send that to the user in question
[00:54]  * elky points to the logbot
[00:55] <elky> I've been hauled before the CC for less.
[00:55] <rww> You want mneptok to take out the logbot?
[00:55] <elky> Oh yes please!
[00:55] <elky> Now that you mention it.
[00:55]  * hypatia was laughing at the ubuntu menbership joke, the gun was pretty creepy now that i see it.
[00:56] <Pici> mneptok: We know you're joking, but others may not... the conversation would devolve in to something else and someone would end up comparing you to Sara Palin, and we wouldn't want that now, would we?
[00:56] <mneptok> hypatia: and i am not a creepy person. there are people far creepier and vengeful than i on IRC. which is why you don't threaten people you don't know.
[00:57] <hypatia> mneptok: you're the one who posted the gun
[00:57] <elky> Pici, lol.
[00:57] <hypatia> i'm just going on what i see, dude.
[00:57] <mneptok> Pici: honestly? i don't care.
[00:57] <mneptok> really don't care.
[00:58] <hypatia> mneptok: you don't see how that's at all problematic?
[00:58] <elky> You're on the ops team. You should.
[00:58] <mneptok> hypatia: that's not what i said.
[00:58] <elky> (care, that is)
[00:59] <hypatia> mneptok: i didn't call you creepy, i said the gun photo was creepy.
[00:59] <hypatia> mneptok: if you can't see that, that's pretty worrying
[00:59] <mneptok> if it's a choice between being forced to care about what assessments trolls make of my character vs. leaving the ops team, that's no choice.
[00:59] <hypatia> 19:51 <+mneptok> OK, Canada-boy. bring it on.
[00:59] <hypatia> 19:52 <+mneptok> http://mneptok.com/bang.jpg
[00:59] <hypatia> mneptok: are you calling me a troll?
[01:00] <hypatia> and i;m not assessing your character, i'm assessing your actions
[01:00] <mneptok> hypatia: are you assessing my character? or a photo?
[01:00] <hypatia> posting a picture of a gun in respose to someone trolling is super inappropriate
[01:00] <mneptok> hypatia: well, you're jumping to conclusions.
[01:00] <mneptok> hypatia: that photo is *MONTHS* old
[01:00] <hypatia> you just posted it 8 minutes ago
[01:00] <elky> What the hell does the age of the photo have to do with anything?
[01:01] <hypatia> this is ridiculous.
[01:01] <rww> Pici: btw, I removed the banforward on Drule; looks like they stayed offline.
[01:01] <Pici> rww: thanks.
[01:01]  * rww is bored, checks banlists for other ##fix_your_connection bans
[01:03] <hypatia> mneptok: please don't post pictures of guns in response to trolling again.  it's highly inappropriate.
[01:04] <mneptok> hypatia: your concern is noted and given the full weight of consideration it deserves.
[02:10] <rww> ubottu: tell zz_q_a_z_steve_ about away
[03:34] <MadHaTTer_777> can i come back now?
[03:34] <elky> That depends.
[03:34] <MadHaTTer_777> my address is banned
[03:34] <MadHaTTer_777> on?
[03:34] <elky> Whether you're going to abide by the channel guidelines
[03:34] <elky> !guidelines
[03:34] <MadHaTTer_777> what did i do?
[03:35]  * mneptok blinks
[03:35] <MadHaTTer_777> really?
[03:35] <elky> You tried to exploit the channel infrastructure.
[03:35] <mneptok> if you have to ask, you really, really should read those guidelines
[03:35] <MadHaTTer_777> ohh screwing with the bots?
[03:36] <elky> Trying to shut off the channel's flood protection is a pretty awful thing to do.
[03:36] <MadHaTTer_777> lol
[03:36] <MadHaTTer_777> only cause it was misbehaving at ppl who type fast
[03:36] <rww> s/mis//
[03:37] <rww> It doesn't trigger on people who type fast, it triggers on people who
[03:37] <rww> type
[03:37] <elky> People who type fast need to use the enter key less then.
[03:37] <rww> like
[03:37] <rww> this
[03:38] <MadHaTTer_777> no it was going off on ppl usin g whole sentances
[03:38] <elky> rww, do you think the warning needs to be updated for people who don't understand what "using the enter as punctuation" means?
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> Somehow I doubt that.
[03:38] <mneptok> MadHaTTer_777: do you walk over to other people's children in public ans spank them for misbehaving? or do you only feel comfortable doing that kind of thing with the relative anonymity of IRC?  ;)
[03:38] <MadHaTTer_777> yes
[03:38] <MadHaTTer_777> y?
[03:39] <elky> You assault other people's children?
[03:39] <maco2> isn't that battery?
[03:39] <MadHaTTer_777> i dont spank though
[03:39] <MadHaTTer_777> i backhand
[03:39] <Senjai> MadHaTTer_777, Probably now isn't the best time to joke
[03:39] <elky> Senjai, hi, can we help?>
[03:40] <rww> elky: no, I don't
[03:40] <Senjai> elky, no sorry, MadHaTTer_777  asked me to ask you guys to unban him is all
[03:40] <MadHaTTer_777> yeah plz un ban me
[03:40] <tsimpson> Senjai: they don't need you for that, please /part
[03:40] <rww> and I note that a quick check of the scrollback shows no people using nice long messages getting floodbot messages in the last hour.
[03:41] <MadHaTTer_777> anywways ill quit fkin with the bots but plz unbann me
[03:42] <MadHaTTer_777> k?
[03:42] <elky> You'll quit swearing at us too.
[03:42] <mneptok> i'm off for food. if anyone is comfortable removing the ban i placed, feel free.
[03:42] <MadHaTTer_777> i was swearing to u not at u
[03:43] <MadHaTTer_777> lets not go into this again today
[03:43] <MadHaTTer_777> lol
[03:43] <rww> while we're spamming factoids,
[03:43] <rww> !lol
[03:43] <rww> !u
[03:43] <rww> apart from that, the bot-related incident and a propensity to overuse the !enter key, I don't have a problem with unbanning
[03:44] <elky> MadHaTTer_777, I'm not going to lift your ban today. You can come back tomorrow with genuine regret and try apologising to whoever is around then.
[03:44] <MadHaTTer_777> omg ur trying to make me type dif too?
[03:44] <rww> Yes.
[03:44] <MadHaTTer_777> thats dumb
[03:44] <rww> okay. Let's go with what elky said, then.
[03:44] <MadHaTTer_777> andd i have no regrets
[03:44] <elky> MadHaTTer_777, dyslexics and people who are not native english speakers have great difficulty understanding txt talk.
[03:45] <MadHaTTer_777> well thats y their here to learn
[03:45] <elky> No. No it's not.
[03:45] <elky> If you have no regrets then I'm afraid you have no business here or in #ubuntu. Good day.
[03:46] <MadHaTTer_777> lol dont be doing this again or im gonna put this lil chan in my kill book for later cause the bann sht is 2 in 2 days now
[03:47] <rww> ...
[03:47] <elky> That looks like something I can defer to staff for them to consider a k-line over.
[03:47] <rww> In lieu of extremely biting sarcasm: 1) Consider that two bans in two days may be a sign that you should change your approach. 2) Threats are a bad idea, even if you're not serious.
[03:49] <MadHaTTer_777> ok will this get me unbanned
[03:49] <elky> No.
[03:49] <elky> I wouldn't try getting unbanned any time in the next week either.
[03:50] <MadHaTTer_777> im sorry (not really just saying that to shut u up like everyone else does)
[03:50] <elky> Me shutting up has nothing to do with your ban getting removed.
[03:50] <MadHaTTer_777> what can i say im more honest then most ppl
[03:50] <elky> Your ban still isn't being removed this week.
[03:50] <elky> Goodbye.
[03:51] <MadHaTTer_777> y?
[03:51] <elky> Because this discussion is over, and this is not a place for you to idle.
[03:52] <MadHaTTer_777> ?
[04:19] <rww> "< gsp2009> Anon7-2521: pastebin the output of your cat" --> users are gross :(
[04:28] <IdleOne> evening MadHaTTer_777
[04:28] <IdleOne> How can I help you?
[04:31] <IdleOne> MadHaTTer_777: If you aren't going to respond I am going to have to remove you from here. We have a no idling policy unless you are me which you aren't :)
[04:34] <mneptok> pretty tough guy. for a Canadian ...
[04:34]  * mneptok runs
[04:34]  * IdleOne twaps mneptok on the forehead
[04:35] <IdleOne> stop that you merican
[04:59] <IdleOne> Welcome back MadHaTTer_777
[04:59] <IdleOne> How can I help you?
[05:00] <MadHaTTer_777> ohh hey im back in here??
[05:00] <IdleOne> yes
[05:00] <mneptok> MadHaTTer_777: you are banforwarded here.
[05:00] <MadHaTTer_777> lol srry i didnt notice
[05:00] <mneptok> MadHaTTer_777: trying to join #ubuntu will land you here instead
[05:00] <rww> I prefer the explanation that the universe seeks to throw us together.
[05:00]  * mneptok melts in rww's lap
[05:00] <MadHaTTer_777> i was doing something unusual in a private chat
[05:01] <IdleOne> rww: the universe doesn't hate you that much
[05:01] <MadHaTTer_777> lol
[05:01] <IdleOne> MadHaTTer_777: anything I can help you with?
[05:01] <MadHaTTer_777> i wouldnt mind a unbann from ubuntu if u wanna help with that
[05:01] <IdleOne> Sorry but I can't do that
[05:02] <IdleOne> according to logs you are banned for a minimum of 7 days
[05:02] <MadHaTTer_777> i dont really feel like configuring another proxy to get back in
[05:02] <rww> IdleOne: please explain the operator access it seems to have given me, then.
[05:02] <rww> MadHaTTer_777: Ban-evasion is a violation of freenode policy, and a rather good way of getting your present situation extended.
[05:02] <MadHaTTer_777> like i said i dont feel like it
[05:03] <IdleOne> you don't feel like what?
[05:03] <IdleOne> ban evading? so don't
[05:03]  * rww just got the "no idling policy unless you are me" joke >.>
[05:03] <MadHaTTer_777> i dont feel like commiting bann evasion right now im lazy
[05:04] <IdleOne> MadHaTTer_777: ok. this is the deal...errr never mind
[05:04] <rww> MadHaTTer_777: It would be nice if your l... errr never mind also
[05:04] <IdleOne> I hate it when that truck comes along and side swipes me like that :)
[05:05] <IdleOne> s'all good
[05:05] <rww> IdleOne: elky is not a truck, she's a series of shoes
[05:05] <IdleOne> I didn't mean to imply elky was a truck but she sure hits like one
[05:05] <elky> lol
[05:05] <IdleOne> ^^ that is a compliment btw :)
[05:06] <elky> rww, a shoe truck.
[05:06] <pleia2> shoe_truck++
[05:06] <rww> oh yay
[05:06] <IdleOne> so is this going to continue all night?
[05:06] <MadHaTTer_777> ok so a week?
[05:06] <IdleOne> MadHaTTer_777: less if you stop this
[05:06] <rww> MadHaTTer_777: It would be nice if your laziness extended to you not bothering to come back to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-ops for a week or so.
[05:06] <IdleOne> and don't ban evade
[05:06] <maco2> MadHaTTer_777: at the very least
[05:06] <maco2> MadHaTTer_777: would you like it extended?
[05:06] <MadHaTTer_777> lol im not joining it
[05:07] <MadHaTTer_777> im gosh hacking this is just a side effect
[05:07] <MadHaTTer_777> ghost*
[05:07] <IdleOne> ok well please stop
[05:08] <MadHaTTer_777> i honestly dont care much about the ubuntu chat
[05:08] <rww> I hate to have to tell you, but freenode is not cyberpunk near-future Japan.
[05:08] <MadHaTTer_777> i think mainly cause i keep getting banned for stupid little nit pickky sht
[05:09] <maco2> rww: i wanna go to japan!
[05:09] <MadHaTTer_777> cyberpunk near-future japan?
[05:09] <rww> MadHaTTer_777: spamming the channel with silly bot invocations, cussing, making vague threats, and having an atrocious grasp of grammar are not "stupid little nit pickky" things.
[05:10] <MadHaTTer_777> yeah they r
[05:10] <MadHaTTer_777> i was acttually there to try to get somee support not a grammer lesson
[05:10]  * mneptok casts Vote Number 2 for "no, they are not"
[05:10] <rww> MadHaTTer_777: Go take some time to enjoy the outside for two weeks, and come back when that's over.
[05:11] <MadHaTTer_777> lol
[05:11] <MadHaTTer_777> i live in alaska its friggin cold out there
[05:11] <MadHaTTer_777> u go outside
[05:11] <IdleOne> So you aren't Canadian?
[05:11] <rww> MadHaTTer_777: I hear you can see Russia from there. It's very pretty.
[05:11] <MadHaTTer_777> no
[05:11]  * IdleOne stares at mneptok 
[05:11] <rww> IdleOne: I think he meant you ;P
[05:11] <Guest78393> im next to the canadian border though
[05:12] <IdleOne> are we done here?
[05:12] <rww> pretty much
[05:12] <mneptok> IdleOne: CryonicCore was the person in question, not MadHatter
[05:12] <IdleOne> 2015 was not a typo
[05:13] <mneptok> IdleOne: CryonicCore [~jjj@CPE0018e7e5d9e5-CM0026f39705bd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com]
[05:13] <IdleOne> right
[05:14] <mneptok> you know, adopting the "if you're in Alaska, the IRC CoC does not apply to you in winter, because it's cold and dark," may not be a bad idea.
[05:15] <mneptok> get all the trolls to move there, then nuke it from orbit.
[05:15] <IdleOne> heh
[05:16] <IdleOne> you frighten me a little
[05:16] <IdleOne> never know when you are being serious
[05:17] <rww> we need #ubuntu-tweakers for all the people who care about things like swappiness :(
[05:17] <IdleOne> I'll give you a ball point pen for a laptop
[05:17] <IdleOne> swap?
[05:18] <rww> ...piness.
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: What if they get lost and contaminate Finland?
[05:18] <rww> I don't actually know what it does. It's firmly in the realm of "magic" for me.
[05:19] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: trolls never did too well in Scandinavian folklore, so that would sort itself.
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: Finland is not in Scandinavia.
[05:19] <rww> yes it is
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> No it's not.
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> topyli!
[05:19] <rww> "In common English usage, Finland, Iceland, the Faroe Islands and Greenland are often grouped with Scandinavia."
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> It's in Fennoscandia, but not Scandinavia.
[05:20] <rww> stop being silly :(
[05:20] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: apart from the Karelians, a LOT of Finnish culture has strong Swedish influence.
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> rww: Yes, but we all know that "common English usage" usually equates to "turns out the majority are morons".
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: Well, yes, forceful occupation for centuries tends to do a bit of that.
[05:21] <mneptok> so, like i said ...
[05:21] <mneptok> ;)
[05:21] <rww> This is simple, tonyyarusso. if ( isEuropean() && temperature() > -20 && standard_of_living > countries::UnitedStates.standard_of_living ) { this.isScandinavian = true; }
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> You can group Åland as Scandinavia, but not the Finnish mainland.
[05:21] <rww> s/\>/</
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> rww: ....what language was that supposed to be?
[05:22] <rww> tonyyarusso: rwwerl
[05:24] <rww> maco2: I think tucemiux thinks you're a dude :|
[05:25] <rww> unless they mean witeshark
[05:27] <maco2> i thought scandinavia meant everything thats on the other side of water from germany
[05:28] <rww> like the United States?
[05:28] <maco2> no just in the north direction
[05:28] <mneptok> maco2: that would rule out Denmark.
[05:29] <rww> we can't have that. lhavelund might sadface :(
[05:29] <maco2> uh....yes?
[05:30] <rww> Denmark is part of Scandinavia.
[05:30] <maco2> i had no idea
[05:30] <rww> (and tonyyarusso'd agree with me on that, it's not just me being overly-inclusive ;P)
[05:31] <maco2> i forget where denmark is though
[05:31] <rww> It's in Europe, is cold, and is better than here. QED.
[05:31] <maco2> is the pile of islands northwestish nl or dk?
[05:31] <rww> maco2: it's the country that sticks up out of Germany towards Norway and Sweden
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> maco2: Scandinavia properly is the three countries that were once unified - Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.
[05:32] <maco2> my brain said "unified? when? when pangea was still around?"
[05:32] <maco2> then i realised you meant politically
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> yes, politically
[05:32] <rww> sometimes countries are made of multiple islands. sometimes, one island doesn't start terrorisming the other one :(
[05:32] <maco2> so what do you call norway/sweden/finland? "the little fingers from the north pole"?
[05:33] <rww> Scandinavian Peninsula
[05:33] <rww> well, that contains some of Finland, anyway
[05:33] <elky> Those are the finntrolls.
[05:34]  * elky hides.
[05:34] <rww> That's ambiguous with jussi/topyli/Tm_T
[05:34]  * rww follows elky 
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> maco2: Fennoscandia.
[05:35] <maco2> tonyyarusso: did you make that up?
[05:35] <elky> rww "According to bandmembers Vreth and Skrymer, they took their name from an old Finnish legend where Swedish priests coming to Finland had an encounter with a wild-looking man who killed most of their party. The survivors came back bearing the tale of the Finn-Troll."
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> maco2: Also, Norway+Sweden+Finland+Denmark+Iceland = "The Nordic Countries".
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> maco2: Nope.
[05:35] <elky> rww so I'm likely correct :D
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> maco2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennoscandia
[05:35] <rww> I have finally found some countries with more confusing and overlapping terminology than my own.
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> maco2: (It also includes a (formerly Finnish) portion of modern Russia.)
[05:40] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: from where my paternal grandmother hails (Vyborg/Karelia)
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> yup
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> And the Kola Penisula, which is largely Sami territory.
[05:43] <rww> #ubuntu-ops-offtopic-finland ;P
[05:43] <mneptok> "Suomi" in official names, please :)
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> :)
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> Rise up against the Swedish oppressors!
[05:46] <mneptok> except in Swedish it's "Vortland" and not "Finland"
[05:46] <mneptok> (and my Nana was Swedish-Finn) ;)
[05:46] <tonyyarusso> Um, wut?
[05:46] <rww> tonyyarusso is an American that thinks he's a Canadian that thinks he's Finnish :(
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: I think that may be a Nana-dialect thing?
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: The national anthem is "Vårt land" in Swedish, but the name is Finland.
[05:50] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: a lot of older Swedish-Finns refer to it by that older name.
[05:51] <rww> hello KREDO
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: Makes sense.
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> 'course, if we want to go with older names, my relatives would call it the "Russian Grand Duchy of Finland", since that's what they actually lived in.
[05:54] <KREDO> rww hi
[05:55] <rww> KREDO: something we can help you with?
[05:55] <KREDO> rww i am banned ubuntu-ru help
[05:56] <rww> KREDO: #ubuntu-ops only deals with core channels. Try the operators of #ubuntu-ru (see /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-ru list) and/or #ubuntu-irc.
[05:56] <bazhang> KREDO, #ubuntu-irc for that
[05:58] <KREDO> thank's all
[05:58] <mneptok> pozalujsta
[06:04] <rww> people who don't read !google before sending it to people they want to direct to Google make me lol.
[06:06] <Flannel> !google | rww
[06:07] <rww> !bing
[06:07] <pleia2> !botsnack
[06:07] <rww> !yahoo
[06:07] <rww> >:
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> no, !yahoo is <alias> bing :P
[06:17] <rww> Alrighty, my #ubuntu fail meter just finished filling up for the day. Time to go do anything else.
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> rww: Moon face is 100% illuminated. || Moon phase: Full || Next full moon is on Thursday 17 February
[06:36] <uRock> petahporty> fuck all niggers die niggers die
[06:36] <uRock> --- petahporty is now known as mymomhitsme
[06:37] <rww> I see. Thanks.
[06:37] <uRock> yw
[06:40] <rww> rww's rule of request redirection: every time someone asks if they can PM me when I'm busy and I say yes, it's a big huge deal that distracts me from what I'm doing. Every time I say no, it's a quick simple thing ;(
[06:40] <uRock> lol, I can understand
[06:41] <mneptok> rww: may i PM?
[06:41]  * mneptok is suffering from existential angst and needs to be reminded of how the universe works, and our place in it.
[06:41] <rww> The obvious solution is for me to always say no, so everything will be quick and simple.
[06:41] <mneptok> unless, you know, you're not busy. in which case i want to know what color your chair is.
[06:42] <tsimpson> uRock: if there's nothing else, we have a no-idle policy in here
[06:43] <uRock> Now that I know where to find you guys when I see stuff like above it makes things easier
[06:44] <mneptok> uRock: but you'll note that user was killed off the network pretty quickly.
[06:44] <uRock> yup, thanx
[06:45] <rww> and then came back. and is now banned. and PMing me. yay.
[06:45] <mneptok> Mr. Popular
[06:46] <uRock> When they were asking for new members for the #ubuntu channel, I started to sign up, but with full time school, work, and moderating UF, I wasn't sure I'd have the time
[06:47] <elky> It's pretty full on, yeah. You have to deal with lots of PMs
[06:48] <uRock> I bet, the channel moves to ast for me most of the time
[06:48] <uRock> *fast
[06:48] <rww> jayne: assuming that idoru set a kline on 74.115.0.3/petahporty, they're currently k-line evading as mymomhitsme.
[06:49]  * jayne waits for whois to come back
[06:52] <jayne> is he disrupting anywhere?
[06:53] <maco2> jayne: was spamming about killing n-words
[06:53] <maco2> which is how idoru came in
[06:54] <maco2> speak of the devil and he shall appear
[06:55] <mymomhitsme> yea I'm just waiting for rww to carry out his threats on me
[06:55] <rww> mymomhitsme: Which ones would those be?
[06:56] <mymomhitsme> but if you'd like me to have them check for k-line evasion, I can do that too. <== those ones
[06:56] <IdleOne> uRock: may I PM you?
[06:56] <uRock> yes
[06:56] <rww> mymomhitsme: Oh, yeah. I'm way too scared of ircops to ever do that. Sorry.
[06:56]  * rww goes off to make some toast
[06:56] <mymomhitsme> nobody will respect you unless you carry out your threats young boy
[06:57] <jayne> I guess we'll see if he comes back
[06:58] <maco2> nice new ip address
[06:58] <startagainlol> nice ability to point out the obvious
[06:59] <elky> Nice way to show off your new host to nice staffers like jayne.
[07:00] <startagainlol> so she can do what kline the range? im so scared
[07:00] <elky> You're the only one on the whole network with the range, so yeah, probably.
[07:02] <startagainlol> again
[07:02] <startagainlol> really scared
[07:02] <startagainlol> but i also notice im still here :DD
[07:02] <IdleOne> startagainlol: is there anything we can do for you?
[07:02] <elky> That doesn't mean much.
[07:03] <rww> really. even i'm in here.
[07:03] <startagainlol> very astounding your powers of observation
[07:03] <startagainlol> what degree lead you to these amazing abilities?
[07:05] <elky> He's the only one on from that range.
[07:05] <IdleOne> guess that means it's time to go
[07:06] <elky> We'll see how much of the range he really has.
[07:09] <Madpilot> persistant troll?
[07:15] <rww> I don't have a browser handy. Can someone check in BT and see if my ban on 74.115.212.10 was the same person?
[07:15] <rww> (in #ubuntu)
[07:15] <Madpilot> @login
[07:16] <Madpilot> @btlogin
[07:16] <rww> also, how long ago 349158 seconds was :|
[07:16]  * elky waits fo him to be stupid in -devel more.
[07:16] <mneptok> rww: 96h
[07:17] <rww> oh, that guy
[07:17] <Madpilot> rww, your ban on that IP was using "noobtube" as a nick, fwiw
[07:18] <elky> rww, google can convert seconds to hours :P
[07:18] <maco2> seconds of "just one more thing" into hours of internet wanderings?
 I don't have a browser handy.
[07:19] <Tm_T> there's lynx
[07:19] <elky> Oh.
[07:19] <elky> and yeah, what Tm_T said :P
[07:20] <IdleOne> seems rww has no excuses.
[07:20] <IdleOne> do your own looking up of stuffs
[07:20] <Madpilot> maco2, that too
[07:20] <IdleOne> GET OFF OUR BROWSERS!
[07:20] <rww> too many M people. go to sleep :(
[07:24] <Madpilot> three is too many? Lazy git. Type two more characters before you hit TAB.
[07:25] <rww> maco2: No! I refuse!
[07:25] <Mamarok> or hit tab twice
[07:26] <rww> D:
[07:26] <Madpilot> can we enable @lart here, please oh Great Keepers of the Bot? Perhaps with an "only rww" rule? Pretty please?
[07:26]  * elky contemplates /nick melissa
[07:26] <rww> I'm rww, and I support mneptok's message.
[07:27] <mneptok> i'm mneptok, and i approved this message.
[07:27] <rww> yes, that. the rwwbrain, it is tired.
[07:28] <mneptok> rww: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-pmpgrYQgs
[08:00] <CRC_> Hey I have a question.
[08:01] <IdleOne> ask away
[08:02] <CRC_> Bah I can't remember now. I'll ask when I remember. I hate when that happens
[08:02] <mneptok> silly Canadians
[08:02]  * mneptok runs
[08:02] <CRC_> Lol
[08:02] <IdleOne> CRC_: ok. Would you mind returning here if/when you remember.
[08:02] <mneptok> unless, you know, you're not Canadian, but Quebecois(e)  ;)
[08:03] <CRC_> How did u know I was Canadian?
[08:03] <mneptok> rogers.com
[08:03] <CRC_> IdleOne: can't idle here?
[08:03] <IdleOne> mneptok: seriously dude. Stop insulting my nationality or I am going to show people pictures of the neighbourhood you lived in.
[08:03] <hypatia> fyi, CRC_ == CryonicCore
[08:04] <mneptok> IdleOne: OH GOD I'M SORRY DON;T SHOW ANYONE ST-HENRI!
[08:04] <IdleOne> CRC_: correct, we have a no idling policy.
[08:04]  * mneptok weeps in the corner
[08:04] <IdleOne> mneptok: :P
[08:04] <CRC_> Ok sounds good then hey hypatia
[08:04] <CRC_> :)
[08:05] <CRC_> I'll be have dude.
[08:05] <IdleOne> behave in here?
[08:05] <IdleOne> No you won't. Please /part
[08:06] <IdleOne> thank you
[08:07] <IdleOne> why does running BOINC make my CPU temp jump 50C
[08:10] <Tm_T> IdleOne: dunno, because BOINC is meant to use your CPU?
[08:10] <IdleOne> Tm_T: yeah but it goes from 45C to 80-85C
[08:11] <Tm_T> IdleOne: does any other heavy CPU load cause same effect
[08:12] <IdleOne> none that I have noticed
[08:12] <Tm_T> test
[08:13] <IdleOne> what your telling me is there is no magic sudo apt-get stay-cool-cpu
[08:14] <Tm_T> IdleOne: you can set your computer to shut down when temp reaches 60 C
[08:14] <Jordan_U> Was CryonicCore unbanned from #ubuntu?
[08:15] <mneptok> not by me
[08:15] <Jordan_U> 00:07 <+hypatia> fyi, CRC_ == CryonicCore
[08:15] <Jordan_U> And CRC_ is in #ubuntu.
[08:18] <Jordan_U> It's too late for me to use op powers at the moment so hopefully someone else is looking into CRC_.
[08:23] <mneptok> hypatia: what leads you to the conclusion it is the same person?
[08:23] <maco2> mneptok: she's asleep. she claims.
[08:24]  * mneptok sees no reason not to believe that
[08:24] <IdleOne> ok using only 3 cores instead of 4@100% helps a bit
[08:24] <IdleOne> err 2
[08:26] <Jordan_U> Uberloul in #ubuntu appears to be just saying french words for penis.
[08:28] <hypatia> mneptok: look at the hostname.  second half is the mac address
[08:29] <hypatia> actually sleeping now.  bye!
[08:29] <IdleOne> night
[08:29] <maco2> mneptok: ^ reason
[08:58] <ikonia> MadHaTTer_444: leave this channel
[08:58] <MadHaTTer_444> hey ikona
[08:58] <MadHaTTer_444> i wanted to talk to u
[08:58] <ikonia> no
[08:58] <ikonia> leave this channel
[08:58] <MadHaTTer_444> i wanted to make a deal with u
[08:58] <ikonia> !ops
[08:58] <ikonia> MadHaTTer_444: no deal, leave
[08:58] <MadHaTTer_444> i will relax
[08:58] <ikonia> no
[08:58] <ikonia> too late
[08:58] <ikonia> thank you
[08:59] <Madpilot> where'd he/she/it come from?
[08:59] <ikonia> no idea
[08:59] <ikonia> don't care
[08:59] <ikonia> enough is enough
[09:02]  * jussi prods ikonia
[09:02] <ikonia> yes
[09:03] <jussi> see pm?
[09:03] <Tm_T> Madpilot: you can use "they" instead of "he/she/it" if need be
[09:04] <Madpilot> and miss a few sarcasm points?
[09:06] <mneptok> Madpilot: note the quotes around "they"
[09:06] <mneptok> that's sarcasm points
[09:06] <Madpilot> right
[09:07] <mneptok> or even better, "where did that 'person' come from?"
[09:07] <ikonia> hello CRC_
[09:07] <CRC_> Hi
[09:07] <ikonia> what's up ?
[09:08] <CRC_> Can someone unban me from ubuntu please
[09:08] <ikonia> why where you banned ?
[09:08] <CRC_> ubuntu
[09:08] <ikonia> no, "why" where you banned
[09:09] <CRC_> I don't know
[09:09] <ikonia> really ?
[09:09] <CRC_> Just got banned
[09:09] <Madpilot> CRC_, our bantracker says ban evasion. Care to comment?
[09:09] <ikonia> one moment please
[09:09] <Madpilot> tsimpson, ping
[09:09] <CRC_> No cus I don't know what that means
[09:10] <bazhang> banned , then re-entered
[09:10] <CRC_> Oh
[09:10] <mneptok> CRC_: does the nick "CryonicCore" ring any bells?
[09:10] <CRC_> Donno why tho
[09:10] <CRC_> No it does not
[09:11] <CRC_> Crc stands for my actual name
[09:12] <mneptok> this is your current hostmask
[09:12] <mneptok> @CPE92fba62f136a-CM0026f39705bd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
[09:12]  * CRC_ is confused
[09:12] <mneptok> this was CryonicCore's
[09:12] <mneptok> @CPE0018e7e5d9e5-CM0026f39705bd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
[09:12] <CRC_> Ok but who is cryoniccore?
[09:13] <mneptok> CM:00:26:f3:97:05:bd <--- that is the MAC address of your modem or computer.
[09:13] <ikonia> ok, this is time wasting
[09:13] <mneptok> so the pseron calling themselves CryonicCore and being abusive was yusing your connection or computer.
[09:14] <mneptok> *using
[09:14] <knome> *person
[09:14] <CRC_> Could be. I get hacked alot. I just reformatted my pc
[09:14] <Madpilot> convenient, that.
[09:14] <mneptok> now, you are either lying, and you know what i am talking about, or your home Internet connection is compromised and being used by abusive people.
[09:15] <mneptok> either way, you are banned from #ubuntu, and will not be unbanned until you admit your actions, or can prove to us you have secured your network.
[09:15] <CRC_> I wouldnt lie about something like that
[09:15] <mneptok> i have no reason to disbelieve you. and i will not call you a liar.
[09:16] <mneptok> so, you system or home network has been compromised and is being used by people who are abusive on IRC
[09:16] <CRC_> Ok... But I don't know what's happening here... :(
[09:16] <mneptok> fix it, prove that you have fixed it, and a lift of the ban will be considered.
[09:16] <CRC_> How can I prove that?
[09:17] <mneptok> i'm not entirely sure.
[09:17] <mneptok> it would be far easier, actuakly, if you had been CryonicCore.
[09:18] <mneptok> then we could discuss the problems that user had, and resolve them. but you cannot do that, since it wasn;t you.
[09:18] <mneptok> :(
[09:18] <CRC_> I do get ur guys intentions and stuff to protect the net but I really don't know what's going on.
[09:18] <mneptok> so, maybe if the ops team sees no bad behavior from your host for a while you could come back and discuss things.
[09:19] <mneptok> CRC_: does anyone else have acces to your computer or network?
[09:19]  * mneptok can't type tonight
[09:19] <CRC_> All I know is that I was setting up VNC and ssh on my ubuntu then all of a sudden I get banned.
[09:19] <CRC_> Thought I asked the wrong question or something
[09:20] <CRC_> No not that I know of.
[09:20] <mneptok> no, it was an abusive person earlier connecting fromthe same connection you use.
[09:21] <Madpilot> CRC_, do you use a wireless router? Is it secured?
[09:21] <CRC_> Hmmm I really don't know what to say... I have not used irc for about 2 days or so
[09:22] <mneptok> CRC_: contact Rogers and tell them you suspect someone is using your connection without your permission, and what steps they recommend to secure things.
[09:22] <CRC_> Yup I use a wireless router. Hold on I'll check settings
[09:23]  * mneptok plays some on-hold music
[09:23] <CRC_> OH CRAP!
[09:24] <CRC_> SYN floods galore and for some reason my wireless was open for general public... WTF :(
[09:24] <ikonia> do not use that language
[09:25] <CRC_> Sorry
[09:25] <CRC_> I'll secure it right now
[09:26] <ikonia> lets leave the ban in place for a few weaks to see if there are any more security issues
[09:26] <mneptok> let's s/weeks/days/
[09:27] <ikonia> no, weeks
[09:27] <CRC_> But I don't know what I have done wrong.
[09:27] <CRC_> :(
[09:27] <ikonia> you've been told what you've done wrong
[09:27] <ikonia> you either a.) abused the channel b.) got hacked
[09:27] <CRC_> It's secure now.
[09:27] <ikonia> we don't know that
[09:27] <ikonia> so lets leave it a while and see what happens
[09:28] <CRC_> So getting hacked is a ban? Weird
[09:28] <ikonia> yesa
[09:28] <CRC_> Cus I know I did not abuse a chan
[09:28] <ikonia> when it abuses the channel, it's a ban
[09:28] <ikonia> someone using your PC did
[09:28] <ikonia> as we've discussed
[09:28] <ikonia> so that's how it stands,
[09:29] <mneptok> CRC_: it went beyond channel abuse to threats of physical violence
[09:29] <tsimpson> sorry, went for food
[09:29] <CRC_> Really? Weird. What did he say?
[09:30] <ikonia> doesn't matter
[09:30] <ikonia> CRC_: now you've had the situation explained to you, come back in a week or so and we can review the security
[09:31] <CRC_> I use ubuntu so the chan is what I need for help..
[09:31] <ikonia> well, that's not going to happen for a week
[09:31] <knome> there is ubunruforums.org
[09:31] <knome> *ubuntuforums.org
[09:31] <ikonia> you've had the reasons explained to you
[09:32] <CRC_> Yes but I don't deserve a ban for something I didn't do.
[09:32] <ikonia> yes you do
[09:32] <ikonia> you left an insecure PC open to abuse, it got abused
[09:32] <ikonia> it is your responsability
[09:32] <ikonia> so that's how it stands, it will not change
[09:32] <CRC_> Why cus u say so?
[09:32] <ikonia> it's been explained and will not be explained again
[09:33] <ikonia> so you have a choice of leaving and coming back in a week, or you have a choice of not using #ubuntu ?
[09:33] <ikonia> or you could admit it was you who did the abusing
[09:33] <CRC_> If I come back in a week can I go on then?
[09:34] <ikonia> no, we will review your security and make sure there has been no more abuse
[09:34] <ikonia> if there is no more problems we'll of course let you back in
[09:34] <mneptok> let's make it after the weekend, rather than a whole week.
[09:34] <ikonia> no
[09:34] <ikonia> a week
[09:34] <ikonia> the abuse warrents making sure this does not happen again
[09:34] <mneptok> ikonia: it's my ban. please step back.
[09:35] <ikonia> fine.
[09:35] <mneptok> thank you.
[09:35] <mneptok> CRC_: come back on Monday to discuss things, OK?
[09:35] <CRC_> .... Ok sounds good mneptok
[09:35] <mneptok> thanks for understanding
[09:36] <mneptok> i would rather believe the story and be made a fool than punish an innocent.
[09:36] <ikonia> I would not
[09:36] <ikonia> the abuse and threatening behaviour is unacceptable and I don't want to see that again
[09:36] <ikonia> plus I don't believe him
[09:36] <bazhang> well, if its him, then time will out
[09:37] <mneptok> if he lies, and i believe him, the bad behavior is his alone. if he is telling the truth, and we punish based on assumptions, then we are not blameless.
[09:37] <bazhang> and we'll be watching closely to see if it is or is not.
[09:37] <ikonia> i don't think monitoring for a week is punishment
[09:37] <ikonia> you have a repsonsability to make sure your connection is secure
[09:37] <ikonia> for someone who seems to know exactly how to secure his connection in 3 seconds as soon as you said he could get back in......
[09:38] <ikonia> until you said prove it he had no interest, as soon as "prove it and we'll let you back in" he fixed it
[09:38] <ikonia> magic
[09:38] <mneptok> ikonia: in jurisprudence this is known as "circumstantial evidence" and is not admissable.
[09:38] <knome> i agree with ikonia
[09:38] <ikonia> we are not in court
[09:38] <mneptok> knome: and i can see your points.
[09:39] <mneptok> however, as i said, i would would rather be a fool that is innocent of wrongly judging people than to punish someone that is not guilty.
[09:39] <ikonia> locking someone out for a week is not a life time ban
[09:39] <ikonia> it's making sure his connection is secure to a reasonable duration
[09:40] <mneptok> it could seem that way if you really need OS help.
[09:40] <ikonia> he doesn't
[09:40] <ikonia> and to be honest, tough luck
[09:40] <ikonia> this guy didn't come in and say "fuck"
[09:40] <ikonia> he made threats against people
[09:40] <ikonia> people don't deserve to see that
[09:40] <ikonia> either way he did it, or was unable to manage his infrastrcture
[09:41] <ikonia> and he certainly seemed to know what he was doing as soon as you said prove it and you can get back in
[09:41] <mneptok> no one made threats on any public channel
[09:41] <ikonia> 3 seconds later there was proof
[09:41] <mneptok> it was in /msg to me
[09:41] <ikonia> people don't deserve to see it
[09:41] <ikonia> no, it was in private
[09:42] <ikonia> it's your ban as you said, so see what happens
[09:42] <mneptok> i may well come to regret my decision. i grant you that 100%.
[09:43] <ikonia> no-one gets it right %100, I'm not saying I'm holding you accountable,
[09:43] <mneptok> i know.
[09:43] <mneptok> but, i guess i'd still owe you a beer
[10:02] <topyli> apparently c0br42 was the c0br42/alfredWinI_bego from #ubuntu who was trying to get mint support and eventually banned
[10:04] <mneptok> well, that person got indignant over my ban, but not so much so that they're willing to come here to discuss it.
[10:04] <mneptok> 02:54 [Freenode] [c0br42(~no@174.124.246.193)] wtf?
[10:04] <mneptok> 02:55 [Freenode] [c0br42(~no@174.124.246.193)] i was just suggesting things people could do with a shell account
[10:04] <mneptok> 02:55 [Freenode] [c0br42(~no@174.124.246.193)] you're supposed 2 give warnings
[10:04] <mneptok> 02:56 [Freenode] [msg(c0br42)] feel free to discuss it in #ubuntu-ops
[10:05] <topyli> not feeling free enough yet i see
[10:06] <topyli> also, it's nicks like alfredWinI_bego that make me miss ircnet and its 9 char nick limit
[10:07] <topyli> not that nick in particular, just long and 'cool' ones generally :)
[10:08] <mneptok> topyli: IRCnet? your .fi is showing. ;)
[10:08] <Jordan_U> I feel kind of bad for getting kiwidood's hopes up. There is a 99% chance of failure :(
[10:08] <elky> Pro tip: It would be much easier to keep the tone of the channels civil by keeping out foul language including its obfuscated forms if we weren't using them ourselves.
[10:08] <topyli> mneptok: i choose to let it hang out! :)
[10:09] <elky> topyli, there isn't a container big enough.
[10:09] <topyli> ha
[13:14] <bazhang> is psyflux asking help to do something illegal?
[13:16] <ikonia> yes
[13:30] <bazhang> he got killed by idoru, which means a kline iirc
[13:32] <ikonia> nah, just a network kick
[13:32] <bazhang> thought the kill was quicker, then followed with a kline
[13:32] <ikonia> don't know to be honest
[13:59] <ikonia> hello jack__
[13:59] <jack__> good morning
[13:59] <ikonia> morning
[13:59] <ikonia> how can we help today ?
[13:59] <jack__> I was looking for information on getting unbanned from #ubuntu :x
[14:00] <ikonia> oh right, one moment and lets see what we can do
[14:02] <ikonia> to help me out, while I'm grabbing the info, do you know why you where banned ?
[14:02] <jack__> well, apart from being a jerk towards one of the ops, i misspelled fsck while helping somebody with their filesystem corruption.
[14:03] <jack__> ikonia: if this helps: http://www.jack-server.com/blog/2011/02/banned-from-ubuntu.php
[14:04] <ikonia> jack__: ok, so that looks like an inconnet mistake,
[14:04] <ikonia> inoccent
[14:04] <bazhang> ikonia, the @banlog has more
[14:04] <ikonia> bazhang: it's being super slow for me, hence trying to work it out
 #ubuntu: 2011-02-13T02:22:21 <jack_> gpc: i like to stick around till i get kicked. (usually)
[14:05] <ikonia> ok, jack__ so I'm guessing that was the "being a jerk" part ?
[14:06] <jack__> yeah... i didn't realize i typed that in chat actually. i thought it was a pm
[14:06] <jack__> :x
[14:06] <ikonia> well, I fully understand the spelling mistake, I've made similar mistakes myself
[14:07] <ikonia> I assume if we remove the ban, you'll leave the being a jerk part at the door ?
[14:07] <jack__> i'll do my best. i only join there to give advice to other members in my free time. i dont join to be a jerk
[14:08] <ikonia> ok, one moment and I'll remove the ban
[14:08] <jack__> ikonia: i was banned at 2 places. one at home and then one of my work machine that was idling at the time.
[14:09] <ikonia> ok
[14:10] <ikonia> jack__: you should be sorted
[14:10] <jack__> ikonia: thank you sir
[14:11] <ikonia> welcome
[14:15] <ikonia> time to dash, jack__ if you don't need anything more, you're welcome to leave this channel and rejoin #ubuntu
[14:15] <jack__> thank you sir. i will be leaving the channel.
[14:19] <ikonia> Pici: is kmck the same guy you helped the other day ?
[14:21] <Pici> ikonia: nope.
[14:21] <ikonia> odd, same command problem, same old repo
[14:43] <jrib> heh "like you"
[14:43] <jrib> like you, pro, ikonia
[14:43] <ikonia> didn't get that part
[14:43] <ikonia> ahh
[15:22] <Pici> ikonia: I like how his hostname is "HighlyAdvancedTechSupport"
[15:22] <ikonia> ha ha, yet he's new
[15:28]  * h00k sets nick to Tier1
[15:28] <h00k> TechSupport
[15:28]  * jpds sets to RedLeader.
[15:29] <Pici> Your targeting computer is off, is everything okay?
[15:30] <jpds> I don't trust computers and high/space-age-technology, so I'm going to do it au naturla.
[15:30]  * popey averts his eyes
[15:36] <rww> IdleOne: I've found that different applications generate different amounts of heat, even if they're all using 100% CPU. SETI@home optimized apps in particular turn my computer into more of a heater than usual.
[15:49] <h00k> somebody set us up the bomb.
[15:52] <Pici> Anyone care to try to get these folks back on-topic? I gotta run to a meeting.
[16:02] <ikonia> can someone please remove madhatter from #ubuntu-server, I am sick of having to ask him to control his language
[16:03] <ikonia> Daviey: ping
[16:05] <Daviey> ikonia, o/
[16:06] <ikonia> get rid of madhatter please from #ubuntu-server he's trolled every ubuntu channel there is for the past few days, I've cut him slack in server but he won't tone his language down
[16:06] <ikonia> (please)
[16:06] <ikonia> excuse my poor manners there
[16:23] <jpds> Alright.
[16:34] <ikonia> he apologies to me by telling me he was fcking sorry for pissing in my cornflakes
[16:34] <ikonia> he talks how he types and he won't change that
[16:34] <jpds> ikonia: I'm sure you would of noticed something like that.
[16:34] <ikonia> great
[16:34] <ikonia> I'd hope so
[16:35] <jpds> Some people.
[17:17] <ikonia> hello avis
[17:22] <uRock> how do people with cloaks that get banned manage to keep coming back?
[17:22] <ikonia> uRock: hello ?
[17:22] <ikonia> they are abusing the cloaks, its has been reported to freenode
[17:23] <uRock> kool, just wondering after seeing you kick him out twice
[17:23] <ikonia> sorted now
[17:23] <uRock> thanks, I be leaving
[17:23] <ikonia> no problem
[17:23] <ikonia> avis: do you need anything from us ?
[17:24] <avis> no
[17:24] <ikonia> ok, then we have a no idle policy in this channel
[17:24] <avis> np
[17:24] <ikonia> so unless you need something we request you leave and come back when you do
[17:48] <jpds> Dear natural selection, please kick in, thank you.
[18:13] <tonyyarusso> jpds: It's our own fault, really.  "Survival of the fittest" simply means those able to survive, not necessarily those who deserve to.  We should stop propping up the dumb ones with warning labels.  It's things like this that are holding Darwin back from proving his true value:  http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a94_w10.jpg
[18:15] <tonyyarusso> See also:  http://www.iridetheharlemline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/warning7.jpg
[18:26] <Krycek> hi, i have been banned on #ubuntu for dirty words, how can i defend my case?
[18:27] <ikonia> let me make it clear why you where banned
[18:27] <Krycek> ty
[18:27] <ikonia> not for using dirty words, but for your attitude once you where asked to stop using them, you then flounced out of the channel after name calling, tried to evade the ban, then did the same in another ubuntu channel
[18:27] <ikonia> that is why you where banned
[18:28] <Krycek> rly, cant seem too remember that. got a log? :)
[18:28] <ikonia> the channel is publicly logged, but this was not long ago, and I'm surprised you can't remember it
[18:28] <Krycek> enlighten me.
[18:29] <ikonia> I asked you to stop using bad langauge you responded with
[18:29] <ikonia> 17:19 < Krycek> F this shitt..
[18:29] <ikonia> you then tried to get past the ban
[18:29] <ikonia> 17:20 -!- annunaki is now known as Krycek
[18:29] <ikonia> 17:21 -!- Krycek [~annunaki@ti0117a380-dhcp2515.bb.online.no] has quit [Changing
[18:29] <Krycek> ikonia: is that from the log?
[18:30] <ikonia> using different nicks and removing your cloak
[18:30] <ikonia> which was reported to freenode
[18:30] <ikonia> Krycek: yes, that is from the public channel log
[18:30] <ikonia> you then joined ubuntuforums and pretty much repeated the same cycle
[18:31] <ikonia> is it clear why you where banned now ?
[18:31] <Krycek> so my words hurt you in any way?
[18:31] <ikonia> that has no relevence
[18:31] <ikonia> they are against the rules of the channel, and dodging bans are against the rules of freenode
[18:32] <ikonia> Krycek: is it clear why you where banned now ?
[18:32] <ikonia> (and why you have remained banned)
[18:33] <Krycek> i got banned because i used the word F, and you asked me what the word F was, so i said it too you only knowing i was getting into a trap, 2seconds later i got banned, ye i know why.
[18:33] <ikonia> Krycek: I've just pasted why
[18:33] <ikonia> I asked you to clarify what the F computer and F splash where - they could be applications, I didn't know
[18:33] <ikonia> you explained they meant fuck,
[18:33] <ikonia> and left
[18:33] <ikonia> I asked you not to do it again,
[18:33] <ikonia> you said F this shit
[18:33] <ikonia> that is publicly logged
[18:33] <Krycek> check log ikonia , i answered a questiong you asked me, then i got banned. checl log
[18:34] <ikonia> if you waste my time making me get the logs and I am right I will not progress this futher with you
[18:34] <Krycek> sure, i have a brain.
[18:34] <ikonia> this was not long ago and I feel you are trying to waste my time
[18:34] <ikonia> !logs
[18:34] <Pici> ikonia: pm
[18:34] <ikonia> sure
[18:34] <Pici> ikonia: I have the log link
[18:34] <Krycek> no im not, im defending my freaking case here.
[18:35] <ikonia> Pici: thank you
[18:35] <Krycek> on irc xD
[18:36] <Krycek> what log should i click on? thanks for the help.
[18:37] <ikonia> Krycek: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/17/%23ubuntu.html
[18:37] <ikonia> there is the public log of the channel
[18:37] <Krycek> ty
[18:37] <ikonia> Krycek: if you scroll down to your name you'll see the exchange
[18:37] <Krycek> cool, will do.
[18:40] <Krycek> its all there my friend, i got frustrated because i didnt know it was the splash screen i was talking about, and when i wrote the big F in my sentence i didnt understand why you didnt see the word in in.
[18:41] <ikonia> I understand that
[18:41] <ikonia> but you're response when I asked you to stop was unacceptable
[18:41] <ikonia> your attempts to get around a ban where unacceptable
[18:41] <Krycek> cool, then i understand the ban.
[18:41] <ikonia> your additional behaviour in #ubuntuforums where unacceptable
[18:41] <ikonia> that is why you where banned
[18:41] <Krycek> im noob in irc, how could i know i could dodge a ban by quiting xD
[18:42] <ikonia> you're not a "noob"
[18:42] <Krycek> rly
[18:42] <ikonia> you've been around a while, you knew enough to get an IRC cloak, you knew to change your nick and drop your cloak to get past a ban and then change back
[18:42] <Krycek> but thanks any way, now too my question, how long is a ban? language ban.
[18:43] <Krycek> wow i did? all the things you said just know can you google and learn, thats why im cloaked, because i use google and nag ppl :)
[18:43] <ikonia> until we can resolve the issue and have confidence your attitude will not be repeated in the ubuntu channels
[18:44] <Krycek> sure, then i will just wait.. :) thanks for the chat.
[18:44] <ikonia> Krycek: ok, come back to this channel in 2 days time and we can review your ban
[18:45] <ikonia> !guidelines > Krycek
[18:45] <ikonia> out bot ubottu has also just sent you a pm with the rules of the ubuntu channels
[18:45] <Krycek> ikonia: cool and thanks, and im a noob. :)
[18:45] <ikonia> I suggest you read them before you ask for your ban to be removed
[18:45] <ikonia> don't believe that at all.
[18:47] <IdleOne> I found this exchange with krycek a waste of time. First offence from what i can see. Why not just explain nicely that we do not tolerate any sort of swearing, ask that they not do it again and let them know if it does happen again they will be banned.
[18:47] <IdleOne> instead of arguing about who is right or not. This could of been resolved in 5 minutes
[18:47] <ikonia> because when you try to explain to him about the language he goes off on one, swears and logs off
[18:48] <IdleOne> He may not be a noob but it is possible he is a noob to Ubuntu and our policies
[18:48] <ikonia> I agree
[18:48] <ikonia> but when you try to tell him the policies he swears at you
[18:49] <IdleOne> just get the sense that sometimes we are trying to win arguments, instead of explaining our rules.
[18:49] <ikonia> with him, there was an element of that as he was trying to waste my time
[18:49] <ikonia> he knew exactly why he was banned
[18:49] <ikonia> yet had to try to argue it with lies
[18:50] <ikonia> which is a waste of time
[18:52] <IdleOne> The time wasted was on your part I am sorry to say. You followed his lead and argued.
[18:52] <ikonia> no, he requested my reasons where proven
[18:52] <ikonia> I had no choice but to prove them, or it looked like I'd banned him for swearing
[18:53] <ikonia> I explained why he was banned, he said it wasn't, I pasted log extracts, he wanted the full log, I gave him the full log
[18:53] <ikonia> I totally agree it was a waste of time,
[18:54] <ikonia> but if someone says that's not why you banned me, or changes the reason, what do you do ? agree with him that you've made it up, or back it up
[18:54] <IdleOne> depends on the situation entirely
[18:55] <ikonia> ok, so how should I have delt with him when he claimed the reasons I banned him where different ?
[18:55] <IdleOne> perhaps I was misreading your intent
[18:55] <IdleOne> the original ban was because of language and attitude was it not?
[18:55] <IdleOne> the ban evading was a second ban?
[18:56] <ikonia> no
[18:56] <ikonia> it wasn't a sucessful evade as when he changed his nickback, his cloak came back and he can't speak
[18:56] <ikonia> "nick back"
[18:56] <ikonia> he used a different nick/de-cloaked to get into the channel, but then couldn't speak when he changed his nick back
[18:57] <IdleOne> ok, so he was banned before he changed nick and decloaked
[18:57] <ikonia> correct
[18:57] <Pici> You can't decloak.  You can only disconnect and re-connect and not identify.
[18:57] <IdleOne> yes ^^
[18:57] <ikonia> he was banned for saying "f this shit"
[18:57] <ikonia> after being asked to stop swearing
[18:57] <ikonia> Pici: bad wording on my part
[18:57] <Pici> :)
[18:57] <IdleOne> ikonia: so the original ban was for language
[18:57] <Pici> Just clarifing, not questioning.
[18:57] <ikonia> he chose to quit, and re-enter the channel with a different nick, which was not wearing a cloak
[18:58] <ikonia> IdleOne: he used bad language, no problem, asked him to stop, he said more bad language and quit
[18:58] <ikonia> he got banned
[18:58] <ikonia> he then tried to get around the ban
[18:58] <ikonia> he failed
[18:58] <ikonia> he started the same thing in #ubuntuforums
[18:58] <ikonia> then came back to resolve it
[18:58] <ikonia> swore / quit
[18:58] <ikonia> hence why when you try to explain the rules to him, he swears at you and quits
[18:59] <IdleOne> ok, the ban being set while the user is in the channel or after he parted is irrelevant. he was banned for bad language.
[18:59] <ikonia> yes, but not the one line of bad language he uttered, the reponse after being asked to not say it again
[18:59] <ikonia> he had to swear to clarify something, no problem, but when asked to not use it, he swore and quit
[19:00] <IdleOne> this is making me laugh because we are both basically saying the same thing
[19:00] <ikonia> yes, I believe so
[19:00] <IdleOne> anyway, will see him in to days I guess
[19:00] <IdleOne> two*
[19:00] <ikonia> who knows
[21:06] <mneptok> faster pussycat! thrill! thrill! i'm at the mall on a diet pill!
[21:06]  * mneptok bounces around to The B-52's
[21:59] <rww> Hrm. 110 of the 392 bans in #ubuntu are set by floodbots. That might be a problem if nobody's pruning bans that the bots set.
[23:13]  * rww starts going through them to see whether they need cleaning
[23:16] <IdleOne> its going to be a long weekend
[23:21] <rww> I just removed floodbots' banforwards to #ubuntu-proxy-users, since we're not autobanning open proxies any more afaik
[23:50] <IdleOne> rww: thanks for pruning the bans :)
[23:50]  * rww is still going, will be removing another bunch soon
[23:56] <rww> a lot of it is "freenode is moving to SASL!"-type spam, from back when that was happening. some banning removed webchat users that have been banned long enough to learn their lesson. that sort of thing.