[00:00] <seidos> yukka in the fridge
[00:00] <seidos> could probably make yukka fries
[00:01] <seidos> they might taste more savory than ff
[00:03] <iheartubuntu1> im hooked on sweet potato fries lately
[00:03] <akk> <3 sweet potato anything
[00:03] <iheartubuntu1> no so greasy. tastes light. the same color as ubuntu!
[00:03] <akk> though I prefer non-fried versions
[00:03] <iheartubuntu1> raw food?
[00:03] <seidos> i <3 beans
[00:04] <seidos> but i <3 profane honesty more
[00:04] <akk> well, no, sweet potato is better cooked. But ideally baked or steamed or something rather than fried.
[00:05] <iheartubuntu1> i regularly make zucchini pasta. just use a veggie peeler and go down the length of the zucchini. do it until theres nothing left, then top it with fresh tomato sauce, seasoned your way. its perfect and you'll never tell the difference it wasnt regular pasta
[00:07] <akk> Do you cook the shredded zuc with the pasta, or shred it raw into hot cooked pasta?
[00:08] <akk> (though I think d would divorce me if I tried to put zucchini into his pasta)
[00:08] <iheartubuntu1> no i dont even cook the zucchini at all
[00:08] <iheartubuntu1> no need to
[00:08] <iheartubuntu1> the tomato sauce (or premade organic pasta sauce) i do heat up
[00:08] <seidos> i believe meat causes meaner gas than beans.
[00:09] <iheartubuntu1> use a peeler to make long thin strands
[00:11] <iheartubuntu1> youll never know the difference really
[00:17] <seidos> iheartubuntu1: do you know the html to change a font color?  is it <font color="blue"></font> or something?
[00:18] <akk> That works but is somewhat deprecated (CSS people will yell at you if they see you using <font> tags).
[00:18] <seidos> akk: i don't have time to learn CSS right now
[00:18] <seidos> maybe i can fix it later
[00:19] <akk> They want you to use a stylesheet, or <style="color: blue"></style>
[00:21] <seidos> i need to specify two different fonts for a conversation between 2 people
[00:21] <seidos> i don't think they know what i need
[00:22] <rww> it's actually <somelement style="color: blue"></someelement>. if you're using <p> tags and want to color the whole paragraph, use it as an attribute to <p>, for example.
[00:23] <akk> Yes, right, what rww said, not what I said.
[00:23] <rww> if there's no existing syntactical comment, <span> for inline styling, <div> for block stylingh.
[00:23] <rww> s/comment/element/
[00:24] <seidos> wow, subtlety is not my strong suit
[00:25] <seidos> i would have to learn css to make that work
[00:25] <seidos> that'll have to come later
[00:25] <seidos> i assume you're trying to help, and i appreciate the intention
[00:26] <seidos> and it's not the whole paragraph.  it's by line.
[00:26] <iheartubuntu1> i dont know the info offhand
[00:26] <seidos> hola nUboon2Age
[00:27] <iheartubuntu1> seidos - you might consider a linux program called "blue griffon"
[00:27] <iheartubuntu1> its a WYSIWYG html editor
[00:27] <iheartubuntu1> you can see the preview and also see the html code
[00:27] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: there's a small problem you could fix if you would please -- we ended up with two copies of tomorrow's Ubuntu Hour event.  could you delete http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/607/detail/ fpr moi please?
[00:28] <akk> Or komposer
[00:28] <iheartubuntu1> i like it way better than kompozer or bluefish or whatever else is out there
[00:28] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: sure
[00:28] <nUboon2Age> gracias amiga pleia2
[00:28] <akk> No griffon in the ubuntu repos, alas.
[00:29] <seidos> iheartubuntu1: sounds good.  i'll install it and try it later
[00:29] <iheartubuntu1> http://bluegriffon.org
[00:30] <seidos> iheartubuntu1: it's not in the repositories?
[00:30] <iheartubuntu1> dreamweaver is still my choice, but for some reason every time there is a wine update, my dreamweaver becomes unusable
[00:31] <iheartubuntu1> ubuntu... http://bluegriffon.org/post/2011/02/11/BlueGriffon-0.9-Cape-Town
[00:31] <iheartubuntu1> i havent worked much with bluegriffon yet, but i quickly tried it... easier to use like dreamweaver
[00:32] <nUboon2Age> Ubuntu Hour Mountain View @ Red Rock Coffee 2nd floor, 7pm: Details & RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/693/detail/  akk , Yasumoto , dk jamalta , jiboumans , outofjungle, pleia2, vsayer , jono, crashsystems1 , jtatum , aaditya, esrrms , crashsystems
[00:32] <iheartubuntu1> i read about it in a recent linux magazine... linux format i think
[00:35] <nhaines> seidos: how are you creating individual lines in HTML?
[00:35] <seidos> nhaines: typing them
[00:36] <nhaines> seidos: HTML ignores all whitespace, newlines included.  Now what do you do?
[00:36] <seidos> break
[00:36] <seidos> dumped
[00:37] <nhaines> So do <span style="color: blue">this is a line</span><br> for each line.
[00:37] <nhaines> Also don't do that because it's horrible and  you should use CSS.  :)
[00:38] <nhaines> Hmm, someone was testing their Android IRC client.
[00:39]  * seidos keeps typing
[00:39] <iheartubuntu1> nhaines how do you know?
[00:40] <iheartubuntu1> besides the obvious "andchat"
[00:40] <nhaines> iheartubuntu1: for one, I know everything.  And second, because he's using a T-Mobile cellular data plan.
[00:40] <pleia2> lol
[00:40] <pleia2> knowing_everything++
[00:40] <nhaines> pleia2: it comes in handy sometimes.  :)
[00:40] <pleia2> :)
[00:40] <jtatum> nhaines automatically does a /ctcp version on every visitor
[00:41] <nhaines> A lucky customer got a very rare support exception at work and got a callback to me to discuss RAID 1 data recovery using an Ubuntu thumbdrive.
[00:42] <iheartubuntu1> you know everything and my mind is degrading :|
[00:42] <nhaines> It was fun and he was taking notes and was in a good mood (he was testing--no actual data loss).
[00:42] <nhaines> I might do a writeup actually and post it on the WD community forums... I've been saying that for a while now though.  :)
[00:42] <seidos> deluded_into_believing_you_know_everything--
[00:46] <jtatum> yinyang+-
[00:48] <seidos> tell it to twitter
[00:59] <seidos> arg, i can't print <3'z using &#9829
[00:59] <rww> &hearts;
[01:15] <seidos> ah, i'll try semicolon
[01:15] <seidos> thanks rww
[01:15] <seidos> \o/
[01:43] <aaditya> Would love to attend the Ubuntu hour, but I'm considering the Lindependence hour this month.
[01:45] <seidos> i'd like to have an ubuntu hour in my living room.  maybe someday
[01:51] <seidos> i love the fem singer in arcade fire
[04:22] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11March13 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11February13 edited
[04:30] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January30 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11February13 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11March13 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11March27 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu edited
[04:30] <iheartubuntu> markdude - fedora is based off of redhat?
[04:31] <rww> It's a redhat-style system. It isn't based on Redhat Linux in the same way that, say, Ubuntu is based on Debian.
[04:32] <rww> i.e., they don't sync packages from RedHat -> Fedora (afaik, anyway)
[04:32] <pleia2> I think it's sort of the other way around
[04:32] <rww> indeed
[04:32] <iheartubuntu> redhat gets its best ideas from fedora?
[04:33] <rww> iheartubuntu: some people see Fedora as a testing-ground for RedHat
[04:33] <pleia2> yeah, and fedora gets financial and development support from red hat
[04:33] <iheartubuntu> i just struggle as to why use X distro compared to Y distro
[04:33] <akk> Didn't that change recently -- didn't Redhat cut Fedora off?
[04:33] <akk> (cut off financial support and official ties)
[04:34] <pleia2> I don't think so, the fedora ambassadors still get CDs and things from redhat
[04:34] <iheartubuntu> im on fedoras page... "rhythmbox" for music. totem for video. sound juicer, cheese, etc.
[04:34] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: a lot of it is personal preference
[04:35] <rww> choice of desktop environment impacts the average user more than choice of distribution these days, imho
[04:35] <rww> assuming everything works, anyway
[04:35] <pleia2> yeah, the package management system doesn't matter all that much to average users
[04:35] <akk> Especially now that Fedora and Ubuntu are on similar 6-month cycles. That's a big difference between Ubuntu and Debian.
[04:35] <pleia2> they all "just work"
[04:36] <iheartubuntu> and the main ones all sort of use the same key software these days? or is that a debian thing
[04:36] <pleia2> key software?
[04:36] <rww> iheartubuntu: pretty much
[04:37] <iheartubuntu> i mean like rhythmbox, totem, etc
[04:37] <iheartubuntu> base installed apps
[04:37] <pleia2> yeah
[04:38] <rww> Debian and Fedora more than Ubuntu these days, though
[04:38] <pleia2> some distros are more true to upstream (gnome uses totem? we will use it!) others less so (banshee is great! we use that!)
[04:38] <rww> which is either a good or bad thing depending on your opinion of Epiphany, gnome-shell, Konqueror, etc ;)
[04:38] <iheartubuntu> but i can do the same terminal commands from one linux box to another?
[04:39] <akk> Yes.
[04:39] <pleia2> well, you can't use apt-get install on a redhat-style system :)
[04:39] <iheartubuntu> so they all have a lot in common. its not like windows to mac
[04:39] <akk> oh, true, there are some distro-specific commands
[04:39] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I think you'd be very at home on a fedora system, there are far more similarities than differences
[04:39] <iheartubuntu> as i think pleia2 was saying earlier. more in common than not in common
[04:40] <iheartubuntu> there is only so much room in my heart
[04:40] <iheartubuntu> :)
[04:40] <pleia2> we mostly run debian servers at work, but we do have a redhat box lingering around, it's not horrible
[04:40] <akk> And most popular apps are available on both, so e.g. if you like banshee but the distro uses totem by default, you can install banshee.
[04:40] <iheartubuntu> and where was i... burlington coat factory was using redhat on their cashboxes
[04:41] <iheartubuntu> looked *old*
[04:41] <pleia2> yeah, they've been using it for a long time
[04:41] <akk> There are old versions of ubuntu too. :)
[04:46] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January02 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January16 edited
[04:50] <pleia2> !botsnack
[04:50] <Eureka> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[04:52] <rww> !cookies
[04:52] <Eureka> Cookies are delicious delicacies.
[04:52] <Eureka> Cookies are pernicious privacy stealers!
[04:52] <pleia2> oh dear
[04:53] <rww> best factoid!
[04:53] <pleia2> :)
[04:54] <pleia2> it is rainy rainy out tonight
[04:54] <rww> The weather skipped randomly between hail and sunshine and rain here today. Was very odd.
[04:54] <pleia2> yeah, it was weird
[05:02] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyGlobalJam edited
[05:03] <pleia2> ^^ this is what happens when I am alone at home for the evening
[05:06] <rww> more hail!
[05:07] <pleia2> the hail here this morning woke me up 20 minutes before my alarm went off
[05:07] <pleia2> evil hail
[05:25] <seidos> apocalyptic hail!
[05:25] <seidos> Jesus is coming, quick, look busy!
[05:26] <rww> does IRC count as busy?
[05:26] <seidos> sadly, no :(
[05:27] <seidos> especially making snarky comments about the apocalypse on it
[05:27] <seidos> i'm singing though :)
[05:27] <pleia2> singing is busy?
[05:27] <seidos> well, it's "Blasphemous Rumors" by Depeche Mode...sooooo
[05:27] <pleia2> ah
[05:28] <seidos> God probably finds the whole idea of "busy" humorous, anyway
[05:29] <seidos> oh yeah, i'm looking for a faster file server solution than vsftpd
[05:29] <seidos> i was kind of wanting to avoid samba
[05:29] <seidos> http downloads plenty fast, vsftpd is slow though :(
[05:30] <seidos> stop me if you heard this one
[05:30] <rww> apache2!
[05:30] <MarkDude> akk, RH is still paying for all sorts of things in the Fedora Project.
[05:31] <seidos> oh right, apache2 is the package :)
[05:31] <nhaines> nfs?
[05:32] <rww> although I'm biased by the fact that I've set up apache2 a lot and NFS never
[05:32] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, Fedora does stuff it views on the cutting edge. RH picks the packages  it wants ( a real small%) and then puts theor own - non-Open Source layers of stuff
[05:32] <seidos> nfs might do it.  link?
[05:33] <seidos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[05:33] <iheartubuntu> thnx markdude
[05:34] <seidos> dang, looks like samba may be the only option.  i have a crummy windows box that needs to upload files to it probably
[05:36] <MarkDude> Dont question their judgment just because they have paid for me to go places :)
[05:36] <pleia2> we don't have any windows systems, but samba ends up being easier for when windows laptop friends come over and need access to the share
[05:36] <pleia2> works well enough
[05:36] <MarkDude> Normally their judgment is more sound, lol
[05:39] <seidos> pleia2: is it fast?
[05:39] <iheartubuntu> i have a comp at work that i had ubuntu on it and i could not see the network. all other ubuntu systems can see the network fine. not sure why i had the problem.
[05:40] <pleia2> seidos: not really (but I use it over crappy wifi anyway)
[05:41] <pleia2> if I want fast I just rsync stuff
[05:42] <pleia2> mostly the samba share is for playing stuff from and for the convenience of clicky clicky when absolutely required
[05:44] <seidos> i guess i'll test it and see for myself
[05:44] <seidos> i don't see why ftp wouldn't work.  i guess the security in vsftpd is too much overhead
[18:08] <seidos> i just finished transcribing my diary, so it's up on my site now
[18:08] <seidos> :o
[18:17]  * MarkDude bets 1 million dollars that you use the words Buddha or Enlightenment at least once
[18:21] <seidos> MarkDude: pay up.  i didn't know anything about Buddha or Enlightenment when i was 13...or 27 for that matter
[18:22] <seidos> the Diary spans 4-5 years.  13 to 17.
[18:22] <MarkDude> Well that means it is not current then?
[18:22] <seidos> it is...kind of disturbing to me, but others may find it amusing
[18:22] <seidos> current, in a way.  as it is a window to my infantile psychology.
[18:23] <MarkDude> Hmm, if I had a diary of when I was early 20s, most of it would be vague
[18:23] <seidos> and since people aren't *that* different...
[18:23] <MarkDude> Too much partying on my part
[18:23] <MarkDude> 92-93 is kinda vague after Clinton did some stuff
[18:23] <seidos> drugs, sex, and DNA
[18:23] <seidos> great book
[18:25] <seidos> i posted the diary i think more for myself than others.  reading through it was informative...
[18:25] <seidos> perhaps even enlightening...a lot of craving at that age...i'm not even sure if the craving is diminshed now, i think to a degree, but not completely
[18:25] <nhaines> seidos: what is your site?
[18:25] <seidos> nhaines: http://fictionalphilosophy.org
[18:27] <seidos> honesty is profrane, not sure why.  probably because the truth is.
[18:27] <seidos> ooo dramatic.
[18:28] <seidos> someone tweeted that ftp has max throughput of 400Mbit/s.  still not sure what package *they* are using.
[18:30] <seidos> i'm getting about 7.2Mbit/s
[18:37] <nhaines> FTP doesn't have a max throughput.
[18:37] <nhaines> It'll be CPU and network bound.
[18:38] <nhaines> seidos: what kind of file server are you trying to build?
[18:39] <seidos> nhaines: i believe you won't be able to help.  thanks anyway.
[18:39] <nhaines> As you wish.
[18:40] <seidos> three more wishes
[18:41] <seidos> :D
[18:41] <seidos> immortality, bliss...power to help others :D D:
[18:42] <seidos> not necessarily in that order
[18:42]  * nhaines turns back toward his network file server appliance at Western Digital.
[18:42] <MarkDude> Bliss is attainable for at least moments
[18:42] <MarkDude> ALL of us have the power to help others
[18:42] <MarkDude> immortality, on your own there :D
[18:42] <seidos> i was speaking absolutely
[18:43]  * MarkDude was attempting to speak poetically
[18:43] <seidos> 1
[18:44] <nhaines> These My Book Live units are basically 800MHz PowerPCs running Debian.
[18:50] <nhaines> There's a lot of nice magic on them for the Dashboard (web UI) and so forth but underneath they're nice and solid.  I approve.
[18:51] <seidos> why so serious?
[18:53] <akk> Interesting that they chose PowerPC.
[18:59] <nhaines> akk: yeah, when I get my own I'll have to install NetHack.
[20:38] <pleia2> well, posterous is not so bad, tweet/dent/fb(ed?) the mt view hour in one simple email
[20:38] <pleia2> and I'm happy our fb page is no longer a ghost town
[20:39] <MarkDude> pleia2, have you looked at the metrics yet?
[20:39] <MarkDude> If you are on FB and go to pges you admin
[20:41] <pleia2> of course they can't just call it "metrics" you have to click "View Insights"
[20:42] <paultag> DarkwingDuck: Happy Birthday!
[20:42] <pleia2> and I only figured that out because it has a cute little graph next to the words
[20:42] <pleia2> hey look, more now that we actively post again :)
[20:43] <MarkDude> Yep, the age range graph is interesting
[20:44] <pleia2> actually it's kind of boring :(
[20:45] <pleia2> not surprising that the majority are 18-34
[20:45] <pleia2> (yes MarkDude, I'm calling you OOOOOLD)
[20:45] <pleia2> ;)
[20:46]  * MarkDude [20:46] <MarkDude> He just looks good :D
[21:01]  * seidos calls pleia2 beautiful
[21:01]  * pleia2 calls seidos charming
[21:03]  * seidos says thank you
[21:03] <seidos> something must be wrong, nobody has ever called me "charming" >_<
[21:04]  * MarkDude would most likely say you are chaarming too seidos 
[21:04] <seidos> hmmm, how charming?
[21:05] <seidos> like .000001 charm units?
[21:05] <seidos> :|
[21:05] <MarkDude>  You and ihertubuntu, - I dont normally say such things about dudes either
[21:05] <seidos> so my Charisma stat is high?
[21:05] <MarkDude> Well, like you would be invited to dinner with my Grndma,
[21:06] <MarkDude> Sure, i guess you rolled those dice high
[21:06] <seidos> hmmm, no, charming is more than Charisma
[21:06] <MarkDude> How is your save vs fire dragons , btw?
[21:06] <seidos> i think you are more charismatic than i am MarkDude
[21:06] <seidos> MarkDude: it could probably be better
[21:06] <MarkDude> Well sure, but I have more of a Jim Jones edge than you do
[21:07] <seidos> er...the fact that you said "Jim Jones" makes it so
[21:07] <MarkDude> Well I would say at least it is the perception
[21:07] <seidos> i try to keep my Jim Jones in check
[21:08] <seidos> everybody has it though, i'm sure...probably the nature of...being
[21:08] <MarkDude> Of course, that is why I have the talk about drinking the Kool Aid
[21:08] <MarkDude> Dont buy into that sort of stuff
[21:08] <seidos> i think agility stat is higher than my strength stat, my wisdom stat is higher than my intelligence stat...charisma is higher than constitution
[21:09] <MarkDude> And thattalk is all about how to avoid such things, anyway
[21:09] <seidos> i'm drinking sugary water.  it is not laced with cyanide.  this is good.
[21:09]  * MarkDude thinks you have Enlightenment, and yet are still searching for it
[21:09] <aaditya> Did someone say dragons?
[21:10] <seidos> MarkDude: i still have uncertainty.  i still have craving.
[21:10] <seidos> perhaps you see something that i don't
[21:11] <seidos> aaditya: red dragons?
[21:11] <seidos> i need a blue dragon for my red dragon
[21:11] <aaditya> ok, someone did.
[21:13] <seidos> ah, it was "fire dragon"
[21:13] <seidos> so "water dragon" is a blue dragon
[21:13] <seidos> there aren't enough water dragons
[21:20] <MarkDude> seidos, the Buddha had cravings and uncertainty
[21:20] <MarkDude> Whether you are the apprentice, journeyman, or Master, you must always chop wood and carry water
[21:21] <seidos> MarkDude: so you say
[21:21] <MarkDude> Not just me
[21:21] <seidos> how could anyone know this?  i am uncertain of your assertion that he had cravings and uncertainty
[21:21] <MarkDude> Some that are actually Enlightened  have said so
[21:22] <MarkDude> He said so
[21:22] <seidos> i am uncertain of their enlightenment
[21:22] <seidos> i am uncertain that he said so
[21:22] <MarkDude> Well, I am uncertain at least 100%  that George Washington existed
[21:22] <MarkDude> I mean where is the proof
[21:22] <seidos> i am certain that George Washington lived
[21:23] <MarkDude> How?
[21:23] <MarkDude> Proof?
[21:23] <seidos> there is some faith involved, but not an absurd amount.
[21:23] <seidos> there is physical evidence of his existence
[21:23] <seidos> his teeth are probably in a museum somewhere
[21:23] <seidos> false teeth
[21:24] <seidos> flossing is good for the teeth.  longevity for more practice
[21:25] <MarkDude> Just because he is on some of my money?
[21:25] <MarkDude> A leap of faith- a small one is needed to not have ANY doubts he existed
[21:25] <seidos> because there is physical evidence, like his signature on documents
[21:26] <seidos> what physical evidence is there that the Buddha said he still experienced craving after his enlightenment?
[21:34] <MarkDude> Well how do I know what they are comparing his sig to is legot
[21:34] <MarkDude> legit
[21:35] <MarkDude> Finding ways to create doubt is not always a skill
[21:35] <MarkDude> Life creates roadblocks, no need to create extras of your own
[21:39] <seidos> that isn't the point.  we are discussing the objective truth of whether or not Buddha had craving and uncertainty.  i say an enlightened being wouldn't.
[21:40] <seidos> either he did or didn't.  you say he did.  i say if he did, then what is enlightenment?
[21:40] <rww> five pounds of flax
[21:41] <seidos> 0
[21:42] <seidos> MarkDude: ah, i think we should use the word "tanha".  "craving" isn't necessarily "unwholesome".
[21:42] <seidos> there is no single word in english for "unwholesome craving".
[21:43] <seidos> afaik
[21:43] <seidos> 5#*flax
[21:43] <MarkDude> Well yes, partially my oint
[21:43] <MarkDude> we crave food, water, shelter, etc
[21:44] <seidos> is craving food, water, shelter unwholesome?  i don't believe so.
[21:44] <seidos> hmmm, craving is an interesting word.  it is teetering on the line of good and bad.
[21:45] <seidos> perhaps needing food, water, and shelter aren't unwholesome...but craving isn't necessarily what we need.
[21:45] <seidos> tough one
[21:45] <seidos> language barrier
[21:58] <MarkDude> Craving things that sustain us is most certainly needed
[22:13] <seidos> i wouldn't mind not having craving for what is needed.
[22:13] <seidos> but then i would die, which is not unlikely, ultimately.  of course, if it means coming back, then i would rather stick around and figure out a way not to come back
[22:27] <jtatum> hope to see you folk in mountain view tonight
[22:27] <jtatum> red rock is warm and indoors fyi ;)
[22:36] <iheartubuntu> hi all. my dad is always trying to print large PDF files... 100+ pages... 10-30mb per pdf... we are having problems with the printing. the printer will sit 10 or 15 minutes before starting to print... most times only printing the first 5 or so pages.
[22:36] <iheartubuntu> ive tried printing pages 1-10, then 11-20... and so on.. but that doesnt seem to work well anymore.
[22:36] <nhaines> This may be a limitation of the printer itself.
[22:36] <iheartubuntu> even tried installing adobe reader without much help.
[22:37] <iheartubuntu> nhaines... thats my guess too. the printer is bottlenecking everything.
[22:37] <nhaines> Sometimes printers don't handle large jobs very well, especially if the printer doesn't have a lot of memory.
[22:37] <iheartubuntu> since it is a network capable printer, i removed it from the main computer and hooked it directly to the network... things got better for a while.
[22:37] <iheartubuntu> now not much diff
[22:38] <iheartubuntu> ive purchased ram for the printer, but three diff chips did not work in the printer
[22:38] <iheartubuntu> if i recall  its a HP m2727 all in one laser
[22:39] <iheartubuntu> my dad refuses to go back to windows :) he has been a happy ubuntu user for 3 years now and this is his only major complaint
[22:40] <iheartubuntu> what would be your next move? testing a diff printer?
[22:48] <nhaines> Test a different printer, but also test a different computer.
[22:48] <nhaines> What version of Ubuntu is he running?
[22:52] <iheartubuntu> 10.04 i believe, unless i upped him to 10.19
[22:52] <iheartubuntu> errrr.....10.10
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> lemme get the file and print it from my machine.
[22:53]  * iheartubuntu thinks hes done this before with same results as Pops system
[23:26] <pleia2> jtatum: I think I have to pass on tonight, aside from the rest of my massive todo list I have an americas board meeting 5-6 ...and it's raining (even if I get to the train station on time, the 20 minute walk there won't be pleasant!)
[23:27] <jtatum> bummer. next time pleia2 :)
[23:28] <pleia2> the mosthly board meeting conflict is quite unfortunate
[23:28] <pleia2> and baylisa
[23:29] <akk> Darn! But the weather definitely isn't nice for walking.
[23:34] <kdub> rain? i hear the north is sending rain down our way
[23:46] <aaditya> akk: run?
[23:46] <aaditya> :P
[23:48] <akk> aaditya: Go for it, see if you can talk pleia2 into it. :)
[23:49]  * DarkwingDuck thwaps paulproteus 
[23:49] <DarkwingDuck> BAH!
[23:49] <paulproteus> Er, hi there!
[23:49] <DarkwingDuck> sorr paulproteus tab fail
[23:49] <paulproteus> (-:
[23:49]  * DarkwingDuck thwaps paultag
[23:49] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: happy birthday!
[23:49] <DarkwingDuck> But, paultag left LOL
[23:49] <DarkwingDuck> thanks pleia2
[23:49] <pleia2> also lol @ running
[23:50] <DarkwingDuck> running?
[23:50] <aaditya> Happy Birthday DarkwingDuck!
[23:50] <kdub> nhaines: are speakers still needed for ubucon?
[23:51] <DarkwingDuck> thank yee
[23:53] <nhaines> kdub: we have 6 but if you want to be a backup that works.  :)
[23:55] <kdub> hrmmm, I dunno, I'd have to think of something to talk about thats interesting to beginner/casual folks
[23:58] <pleia2> wow, I completely forgot to tell my boss I'm speaking
[23:58] <pleia2> he gave me the day off anyway, but now it'll be even better