[19:46] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: ezrafree: Do you guys actually live in CO? (if so, what part?)
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Heck yes I do soreau
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Denver
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Work in Boulder.
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> How about you?
[19:47] <soreau> Springs :)
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> I figured my whois would have given that away...
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah nice.
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> So what's your story?
[19:47] <soreau> heh, I usually don't whois most people
[19:48] <FunnyLookinHat> I whois with a vengeance.
[19:48] <FunnyLookinHat> It makes me feel like a script kiddie.
[19:48] <soreau> lol
[19:48] <soreau> I'm wishing I could figure out how to go to school for CS. But I probably have enough linux under my belt to make a great software tester
[19:49] <soreau> I just can't get my foot in the door without a degree or anything tangible
[19:50] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: Knowing you from irc and (now) that you work in Boulder, I'm willing to guess you do something with computers for a living ;)
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah yeah - degrees are really important for the resume right now...
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> But
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> If you know people you can get a foot in the door.
[19:50] <soreau> Yea, true
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah - I'm a fancied-up programmer.
[19:51] <soreau> That's my biggest problem is not knowing folks. I don't really care much for people in general :P
[19:51] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: That's cool, what do you develop mostly?
[19:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Heh
[19:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Hmm
[19:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Well I do everything from PHP/MySQL/Etc. to Android/iPhone/Java
[19:52] <soreau> oh wow
[19:53] <FunnyLookinHat> I don't claim to be an expert in any of those - but I can get by well enough. :)
[19:53] <soreau> For iPhone/Android, do you run the OS in a VM or what?
[19:53] <soreau> or do you use a real phone to test (or both)
[19:53] <FunnyLookinHat> I do all of my Android testing on a real device - for iPhone I have to use a mac, and I test on a ghetto 2G and the simulators.
[19:53] <FunnyLookinHat> I avoid the Android VM as much as possible - it's awful.
[19:55] <soreau> ah ok
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> So what are you interests?  Programming?  Linux admin?
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> WoW?
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> ;)
[19:55] <soreau> Not WoW.
[19:55] <soreau> :)
[19:55] <soreau> I was just curious because I've never dabbled in any embedded OS app dev before
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> <-- Recently free of the clutches of WoW.
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah ok
[19:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah it's fun -
[19:56] <soreau> But yea I'm into programming and fixing things.. handy with a soldering iron
[19:57] <soreau> Big linux head - enjoy fixing drivers where I can and filing bugs when I can't
[19:58] <soreau> I spent a couple years as a hobby building a circuit interface for N64 controllers, 4 of them, the entire board fits in an N64 shell and plugs into the parport.
[19:59] <soreau> Kinda what turned me on to linux is the fact that I was able to actually fix the timing in the driver and go on to implement rumble in the gamecon driver
[19:59] <FunnyLookinHat> Nice!
[19:59] <FunnyLookinHat> That's so awesome
[19:59] <FunnyLookinHat> I've never done anything that low-level... well minus soldering all sorts of crap onto my old TI-85 calculator.
[20:00] <soreau> Yea, I'm pretty proud of that accomplishment even though it took for-freaking-ever and I had a lot of help from vojtech and other LK input subsystem devs :)
[20:00] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey - that's the best way to learn - from others... no harm in that.
[20:00] <FunnyLookinHat> I actively keep an IRC channel open for any language I'm currently working in.  :)
[20:00] <soreau> Oh no doubt
[20:01] <soreau> So I did a lot on the compiz project too
[20:01] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh cool
[20:01] <FunnyLookinHat> So you know a decent amount of C ?
[20:01] <soreau> But now, I'm moving on to learn the monotony that is webpage devel stuff to try and build my own site
[20:01] <soreau> Enough C/C++ to scrap by :)
[20:02] <soreau> scrape*
[20:03] <FunnyLookinHat> :)
[20:03] <FunnyLookinHat> Web devel...
[20:03] <FunnyLookinHat> It ruins my life.  :)
[20:03] <FunnyLookinHat> Well that and IE.
[20:03] <soreau> whatever you wanna call it
[20:03] <soreau> Yes, I now know that IE is CRAP
[20:03] <soreau> Even more than I knew previously
[20:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Hah
[20:05] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey you should try to make it up to Denver for our next release party
[20:05] <FunnyLookinHat> for 11.04
[20:05] <FunnyLookinHat> It's crazy to think Ubuntu is at 11.04 - I started with 6 something I think...
[20:05] <soreau> Hey, you guys host a release party? (every six months)
[20:05] <soreau> ?
[20:05] <FunnyLookinHat> Heck yes.
[20:06] <soreau> This last time was at a bar or something, wasn't it?
[20:06] <FunnyLookinHat> Sort of - we met above a pub in this big meeting room with couches, etc.
[20:06] <soreau> oh cool
[20:06] <soreau> Yea, I want to do that some time
[20:06] <soreau> Hell I wish UDS would come to denver one year ;)
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> !!!
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> That would be very cool :)
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> We have a few members that Attend UDS.
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> nealmcb_ and joey both do I believe.
[20:08] <joey> I do
[20:08] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah - he lives!
[20:08] <joey> all the time now vs sporadically
[20:08] <soreau> heh
[20:09] <soreau> I think SmSpillaz (main compiz dev now) works for cannonical and will be at UDS this year (in florida?)
[20:09] <soreau> Or did it already happen last month?
[20:09] <soreau> I don't keep track of these things
[20:09] <FunnyLookinHat> me neither - when it comes to Ubuntu I'm much more into being a user than a dev...
[20:09] <soreau> Yea really
[20:09] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm a dev all day - don't want to do any more at night. :)
[20:10] <soreau> If I want to develop, I'm on Arch or Gentoo :)
[20:10] <FunnyLookinHat> HAH
[20:10] <FunnyLookinHat> I used to compile...  then ...  it got old.
[20:10] <soreau> Ubuntu is me trying to act like a user hehe
[20:10] <soreau> By time I'm done with it, it's not really a ubuntu anymore :D
[20:11] <soreau> Yea, ubuntu 10.10 decided to nuke my gentoo partition when I told it to only use it for mounting during the installation
[20:12] <soreau> coulda been pebcak, not sure. But I had mixed feelings when I found out. Fortunately there wasn't too much important data on it
[20:13] <soreau> Thinking about giving fedora another go but *yawn*
[20:14] <soreau> Oh I started ubuntu at Hoary Hedgehog and still have the original cd's
[20:14] <soreau> 5.04 I think
[20:15] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: So when's the next release party?
[20:15] <FunnyLookinHat> soreau, good question/.
[20:15] <soreau> :)
[20:15]  * FunnyLookinHat checks the release schedule.
[20:16] <FunnyLookinHat> probably the weekend of the 29th of april
[20:16] <FunnyLookinHat> Last time we did a Sunday night - most people were able to make that...  minus joey of course.
[20:16] <FunnyLookinHat> (!!!)
[20:17] <soreau> Do you know where yet or is this posted anywhere?
[20:17] <FunnyLookinHat> No we haven't officially planned it yet.
[20:17] <FunnyLookinHat> I
[20:17] <FunnyLookinHat> I'll probably start making calls and sending emails come the beginning of April.
[20:17] <FunnyLookinHat> Are you on our mailing list?
[20:17] <soreau> nope
[20:18] <FunnyLookinHat> You should be!
[20:18] <soreau> How many people usually show up anyway?
[20:18] <FunnyLookinHat> https://lists.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-co
[20:18] <FunnyLookinHat> We had over 30 last time.
[20:18] <soreau> oh, that's decent
[20:19] <FunnyLookinHat> Really great time - we had everything from "noobies" to veterans.
[20:19] <soreau> oh wow, dev-wanted ads?
[20:19]  * soreau signs up
[20:20] <FunnyLookinHat> dev-wanted ads ?
[20:20] <soreau> On the ml, the most recent posting
[20:20] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: Do they have a different meeting for cosprgs or do you know
[20:21] <soreau> I'm just kinda thinking anything that happens in the springs isn't going to have as cool of people as dnever ;)
[20:21] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah
[20:21] <FunnyLookinHat> Hahaha
[20:21] <FunnyLookinHat> We don't have any extra meetings in the springs - but we've been trying to get our monthly hacker-meetups going again
[20:21] <FunnyLookinHat> They were basically a chance to talk shop - etc.
[20:22] <soreau> oo, what're those about?
[20:22] <soreau> oh cool
[20:22] <FunnyLookinHat> yeah they were fun
[20:22]  * soreau likes to hax0r
[20:22] <FunnyLookinHat> Kevin Fries - one of our members - hosts one in Broomfield and one in Wash park - once a month
[20:22] <FunnyLookinHat> But yeah - nothing for the springs yet :(
[20:22] <FunnyLookinHat> hah
[20:23] <FunnyLookinHat> j00 |337 h4x0r pwn4g3!
[20:23] <soreau> hehehe
[20:26] <FunnyLookinHat> soreau, hey since you're interested in getting drivers working and whatnot - why not contribute to this so my Optimus can work correctly on my T410?  :)  https://launchpad.net/~hybrid-graphics-linux
[20:31] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: I don't get the purpose of a 'switchable gpu'
[20:31] <FunnyLookinHat> soreau, battery life + performance
[20:31] <soreau> Ah ok
[20:32] <FunnyLookinHat> But it does it on-the-fly w/o reboot (with correct ACPI/Driver/OS support)
[20:32] <FunnyLookinHat> Very cool stuff.
[20:32] <soreau> Well it looks like airlied's already involved with this so my guess is that good things will happen
[20:32] <soreau> The only thing I could really do is test if I had one
[20:32] <FunnyLookinHat> In the meantime I just run the nVidia chip full time on my laptop - I prefer performance over battery life.
[20:33] <soreau> sounds hariy though.. switching the gpu hardware and driver while X is running
[20:33] <FunnyLookinHat> Well nVidia optimus technology handles most of the difficult stuff.
[20:33] <soreau> huh
[20:33] <FunnyLookinHat> The problem is getting X to switch screens on the fly and flag the correct stuff for the Optimus system
[20:33] <soreau> but, by default I also have to say nVidia is uncooperative with FOSS and for that reason I don't like to promote them
[20:34] <FunnyLookinHat> They have a demo video of them hitting a switch, pulling the GPU off the computer, and the comp keeps running as if nothing happened
[20:34] <FunnyLookinHat> yeah.
[20:34] <FunnyLookinHat> It used to be different.
[20:34] <soreau> OTOH, they do have some things going like their cg-toolkit, CUDA and their multi-object drawing caps (forgot what it's called)
[20:34] <FunnyLookinHat> So weird.
[20:35] <soreau> I don't understand why they can't just make a quality gpu and actually get the power management stuff right
[20:36] <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: But yea, if you want more info about your optimus driver(s), ping airlied in #dri-devel or #nouveau
[20:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Heh - the holy crail of CPU design.
[20:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Cool I might just do that.
[20:37] <soreau> He has one of these machines (along with a whole lab of radeons and ghad knows what else)
[20:38] <soreau> I love the radeon devs that work for AMD, they're pretty good at what they do and extremely helpful to boot
[20:43] <soreau> I would install airlieds kernel for this optimus technology and test
[20:45] <FunnyLookinHat> I'll have to make sure I have everything necessary backed up first...  this is my work machine. :)
[20:47] <soreau> Meh, the worst that could happen is it doesn't work and you have to revert to your old kernel
[20:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Well - I went through quite a bit of finnicking to get the GPU supported correctly...
[20:48] <soreau> Sounds like it's not all the way sorted yet :)
[20:48] <FunnyLookinHat> heh
[20:48] <soreau> Or if multi-boot is an option, setup a test partition
[20:48] <FunnyLookinHat> not for me at least :)
[20:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah I dual boot already -  I suppose I could partition gain.
[20:48] <FunnyLookinHat> *again