[13:57] <InHisName> andrew: get yer nom noms here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMWi7CLoZ2Q
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[15:36] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[15:49] <teddy-dbear> good chocolate to all!
[15:53] <SamuraiAlba> aye!
[15:53] <SamuraiAlba> Good Runescape to all!
[15:54] <ssweeny> Good Farscape to all!
[16:08] <HowdyDoody> hello any grubbers listening ?
[16:09] <HowdyDoody> hello mr bacon, SamuraiAlba
[16:09] <teddy-dbear> no
[16:10] <HowdyDoody> only a stuffed bear is paying attention ?
[16:14] <SamuraiAlba> heya
[16:15] <HowdyDoody> my grub has been messed by ubuntu update
[16:16] <HowdyDoody> I think it fried my Bacon
[16:17] <HowdyDoody> I am InHisName on another machine, SamuraiAlba
[16:40] <SamuraiAlba> ahhh
[16:40] <SamuraiAlba> Sorry, was filling out my FAFSA
[16:43] <HowdyDoody> SamuraiAlba:  upon booting liveCD saw error of hard drive controller.   REseated SATA cable.  Now works again.
[16:43] <HowdyDoody> School funding for College or ??  SamuraiAlba
[16:47] <SamuraiAlba> College
[16:51] <HowdyDoody> What major are you choosing ?
[16:51] <SamuraiAlba> Now for the Hesaa...
[16:51] <SamuraiAlba> Computer Science with a focus on Network Security @ Camden
[17:02] <HowdyDoody> Cool,  I am in Cisco training right now and a microsoft series.  Finish up late march.
[17:02] <SamuraiAlba> Sweet.
[17:02] <SamuraiAlba> Enjoying it?
[17:03] <HowdyDoody> Sorta,  lotta info, heavy exams for certifications.
[17:03] <SamuraiAlba> I have most of the Cisco study guides and videos here :)
[17:04] <HowdyDoody> The big trick is will a future employer want me rather than someone else with bazillion years experience and no certs.
[17:04] <SamuraiAlba> That is a big trick :O
[17:05] <HowdyDoody> I have accumulated 7 Gigs of study helps dumps pdfs  and nuggets etc.
[17:05] <SamuraiAlba> Now I have to find out how to convert my dynamic HD to a simple volume so I can install Ubuntu :)
[17:05] <HowdyDoody> Delete partitions
[17:05] <SamuraiAlba> It's my laptops ONLY partition
[17:05] <HowdyDoody> Start with bare drive.
[17:06] <SamuraiAlba> Not an option with a broken DVD burner and no backup external...
[17:06] <HowdyDoody> Do you  still want dual boot?
[17:06] <HowdyDoody> wubi
[17:06] <SamuraiAlba> I have Wubi.  I was also going to install CentOS, tho
[17:07] <ChinnoDog> If you have one hard drive and one partition I don't think there is any value in making it dynamic in the first place.
[17:07] <HowdyDoody> wubi is only one to install into file in windows drive.   NO reformatting
[17:07] <HowdyDoody> sort of a 'nested' dual boot
[17:08] <HowdyDoody> What about that black edition, is there a dvd player there ?
[17:08] <HowdyDoody> Opps its a laptop
[17:09] <SamuraiAlba> the black edition desktop is still here :)
[17:09] <SamuraiAlba> I put a PSU in it, but now it needs an HD
[17:09] <SamuraiAlba> You bought the HD :)
[17:09] <HowdyDoody> You sold me two now have none?
[17:09] <SamuraiAlba> none
[17:10] <ChinnoDog> Sell it back to him at a profit
[17:10] <HowdyDoody> do you have a USB to SATA box or adapter ?
[17:11] <SamuraiAlba> Nay
[17:11] <SamuraiAlba> I'm just gonna have to stick with Wubi :'(
[17:11] <HowdyDoody> I could try ChinnoDog  but he was out of stock on cash then and gave it to his girl friend to pay bills.  So I assume still empty.
[17:12] <HowdyDoody> wubi plays pretty nice without spending any $$
[17:13] <ChinnoDog> oh. hmm. I see.
[17:13] <HowdyDoody> ChinnoDog: do you know much about grub2 ?
[17:13] <ChinnoDog> Rent to own?
[17:13] <ChinnoDog> not really
[17:13] <HowdyDoody> bummer
[17:15] <ChinnoDog> I know that if you installed Windows on a simple disk and then converted it to dynamic that you should be able to change it back though
[17:15] <ChinnoDog> Making it dynamic doesn't remove the structures that were there before you did it. You made it a dynamic disk without any dynamic volumes, which does nothing for you.
[17:18] <SamuraiAlba> now to find out how to convert it back...
[17:19] <ChinnoDog> might be able to right click on it in disk management and convert back with a couple clicks
[17:20] <SamuraiAlba> no joy there
[17:21] <SamuraiAlba> maybe gparted?
[17:22] <SamuraiAlba> HIRENS!  WOOWOO!
[17:23] <ChinnoDog> no. Linux tools do not know anything about dynamic disks last I checked.
[17:23] <ChinnoDog> Have you created any dynamic volumes?
[17:25] <SamuraiAlba> no
[17:26] <SamuraiAlba> brb trying Hirens
[17:33] <HowdyDoody> ChinnoDog: In my usoft class, when converting to dynamic, there is NO going back.  Sorta like lvm in ubuntu, its delete partition to go back to basic disks.
[17:34] <HowdyDoody> There might be a hacker way to do it but would not be pretty.
[17:35] <ChinnoDog> It is completely different from LVM
[17:35] <ChinnoDog> At least, for the first paritition
[17:35] <ChinnoDog> There is a caveat with dynamic disks. You can't install Windows onto them.
[17:35] <HowdyDoody> Can't install boot volume to it.
[17:35] <ChinnoDog> right
[17:35] <HowdyDoody> But can convert others.
[17:35] <ChinnoDog> So when you install Windows you will be installing onto a standard partition
[17:36] <HowdyDoody> its Gates 's goofy answer to lvm
[17:36] <ChinnoDog> It isn't possible to remove the partition information for that first partition
[17:36] <ChinnoDog> The only thing converting a disk to dynamic does is mark it as dynamic, until you create dynamic volumes on it which still don't affect the first partition
[17:37] <ChinnoDog> I'm pretty sure I've converted disks in the other direction before
[17:37] <HowdyDoody> It has physical and logical buried deep in it.
[17:37] <ChinnoDog> But, only if you don't have dynamic volumes created on it
[17:38] <HowdyDoody> maybe
[17:38] <ChinnoDog> When they were first introduced it created a problem with disk imaging software because none of the existing solutions could read it
[17:38] <HowdyDoody> Probably his one volume was converted to dynamic.   He can see it in disk management.
[17:38] <ChinnoDog> So I would have to convert it back in order to image it
[17:40] <HowdyDoody> If he never converted the one disk to dynamic then he might have a chance to undo the little bit flag.
[18:45] <InHisName> @stats
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