[18:23] <micahg> charlie-tca: I have to leave at 20:00 UTC today
[18:23] <charlie-tca> okay. Le's try and keep the meeting short
[18:23] <charlie-tca> I am still trying to finish the 10.04.2 iso testing
[18:24] <knome> charlie-tca, what's the status in the wallpaper discussion?
[18:24] <knome> charlie-tca, iirc, the submission deadline was last thu
[18:24] <charlie-tca> no
[18:24] <knome> no?
[18:24] <charlie-tca> deadline is March 10
[18:25] <knome> hmm...
[18:26] <charlie-tca> UserInterfaceFreeze is March 24
[18:27] <knome> right
[18:27] <knome> where did i read last thu then. probably have mixed the months
[18:27] <charlie-tca> yeah, probably
[18:28] <charlie-tca> It's okay, the schedule been juggled a couple of times now for natty
[18:28] <charlie-tca> It is hard to keep track of things
[18:28] <knome> yeah.
[18:29] <knome> i don't know if you noticed but there was a short break in the wikiservice, which is fixed now.
[18:30] <charlie-tca> yeah?
[18:30] <charlie-tca> ain't had a chance to notice 
[18:30] <knome> no problem then. (i meant wiki.knome.fi of course..)
[18:31] <knome> it's a bit slower than it used to be, but i can't do much about it since i changed the hosting plan
[18:31] <charlie-tca> No, I don't hit that unless someone tells me I need to get an update
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 15 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:59] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: meeting?
[19:11] <micahg> ochosi: I have to leave right after the meeting, but maybe later
[19:12] <ochosi> micahg: ok, just one thing that i wanted to note: you said you're packaging gmusicbrowser for debian too, and last time i said it would be better to package upstream directly for debian
[19:12] <ochosi> micahg: but maybe i forgot to mention that for xubuntu we want the shimmer-version of gmusicbrowser
[19:13] <micahg> I was working on packaging upstream gmusicbrowser for Debian
[19:14] <ochosi> okeydokey
[19:14] <micahg> does upstream not want the shimmer patches?
[19:14] <ochosi> well squentin said he will integrate them all for the next stable version, but who knows how long it'll take for that one
[19:14] <knome> the gmb main is going to include the shimmer layout, but not as default
[19:14] <ochosi> he's already integrating them bit by bit
[19:14] <micahg> ok, well we can add the shimmer stuff on top in Ubuntu
[19:15] <ochosi> yeah, the default layout, icon theme etc is another thing
[19:15] <micahg> I just wanted to get the base in Debian updated
[19:15] <ochosi> but currently the layout won't work with the upstream version
[19:15] <micahg> is the release stable enough (1.1.6 is marked a beta release upstream)
[19:15] <ochosi> yes, definitely stable enough
[19:15] <ochosi> i've been testing the 1.1.* versions for a year now
[19:16] <micahg> ok
[19:19] <micahg> I should be able to get it in before feature freeze
[19:20] <ochosi> ok thanks micahg 
[19:20] <charlie-tca> micahg: that is the 24th
[19:21] <micahg> charlie-tca: I know, I have Monday off :)
[19:21] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:27] <ochosi> micahg: so monday would be a good deadline for us to have gmusicbrowser-shimmer ready for xubuntu?
[19:28] <micahg> ochosi: I think so
[19:28] <micahg> ochosi: are you thinking a separate package or just patches?
[19:28] <ochosi> micahg: ok, i'll work hard on it, the list (http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:natty_gmb) seems manageable
[19:29] <ochosi> micahg: i would rather have a separate package, although i guess i could try and track the changes i did in the last year
[19:29] <micahg> ochosi: with just the shimmer changes or all of gmusicbrowser?
[19:30] <ochosi> micahg: separate package would mean all of gmusicbrowser i guess...
[19:30] <ochosi> micahg: tbh i always assumed we would just take the packages from the shimmer ppa
[19:32] <mr_pouit> are the changes big? or is it only the layout?
[19:32] <micahg> ochosi: I don't like the idea of a full fork, especially if the changes are being integrated, but I think we should ask mr_pouit :)
[19:33] <ochosi> well, the changes are really mainly to the ui, so not drastic
[19:33] <ochosi> if anyone helps me with patches or other ways of using an additional "shimmer" package i'm fine with that
[19:34] <micahg> mr_pouit: what you you think of just included those patches in gmusicbrowser itself
[19:34] <mr_pouit> I would prefer to have only one gmusicbrowser
[19:35] <mr_pouit> since the patches are going to be included upstream anyway, it sounds ok to ship them in gmusicbrowser
[19:35] <mr_pouit> but we can still split the new layout in xubuntu-default-settings and enable it by default only there
[19:37] <ochosi> if you like we can discuss the changes i did later
[19:37] <ochosi> i mean maybe not today later, but tomorrow or something
[19:46] <ochosi> mr_pouit, micahg: i can also talk about this with upstream, but the thing is that the deadline (monday) is really tough for that
[19:47] <micahg> ochosi: next week is feature freeze, so I should just get 1.1.6 in, if you're just making UI changes, we have another month
[19:54] <Sysi> i'm getting new natty image and i noticed our cdimage.ubuntu.com site is orange, do we have any control over it?
[19:54] <Sysi> kubuntu site is blue
[19:54] <charlie-tca> we don't have much control over it, no
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I will try to find out if we can get it changed
[19:56] <charlie-tca> I never actually noticed that, Sysi 
[19:56] <charlie-tca> thanks
[19:57] <charlie-tca> If Kubuntu can be blue, we should be able to change the banner color
[19:57] <davmor2> cdimages or xubuntu's download page?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[19:59] <charlie-tca> is not the same as Ubuntu 
[19:59] <Sysi> download page is alright, but links to orange pages
[19:59] <davmor2> yeah that should be themeable let me have a quick chat with our web guys to see if it's them or someone else who deals with it
[19:59] <charlie-tca> compared to http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[20:03] <Sysi> 10.04 don't have banner, brown topics aren't that bad
[20:04] <charlie-tca> note to the website team:
[20:04] <charlie-tca> We give links to both 10.04 and 10.10 mirrors, but never explain what the difference is on http://xubuntu.org/get
[20:07] <beardygnome> hi charlie-tca, did i miss the whole meeting?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> um, yeah
[20:07] <charlie-tca> I will get the minutes out this time, though
[20:08] <charlie-tca> We want natty testers
[20:08] <beardygnome> just download the latest iso and get log any bugs to the ml?
[20:08] <beardygnome> *and log...
[20:08] <charlie-tca> If you are in a hurry, http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/
[20:09] <Sysi> i will learn bug reporting too..
[20:09] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:09] <charlie-tca> We will teach you how to report the bugs. But that is the idea, download the latest iso, install it and check it out, every couple of days, to see what got messed up
[20:10] <charlie-tca> example, abiword and gnumeric
[20:10] <beardygnome> we on alpha 2 now?
[20:10] <charlie-tca> latest versions changed how the background and forground colors work, and are blacking out text
[20:10] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:10] <charlie-tca> use the daily - 
[20:11] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/
[20:11] <charlie-tca> in current
[20:11] <charlie-tca> That has the latest changes in it
[20:12] <beardygnome> is there a torrent for it, or do we just hammer the ubuntu servers?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> no torrent. either hammer or zsync it
[20:13] <charlie-tca> there won't be enough of us for them to even notice, will there?
[20:13] <beardygnome> ok - are there any differences between the the 32 and 64 bit images (other than the obvious!)?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:13] <charlie-tca> They should match
[20:14] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: although some days, one will work and the other won't :-)
[20:14] <beardygnome> ok, thanks charlie-tca
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Thank you for doing that