[00:17] DBO you around and not busy? === smspillaz|sleep is now known as smspillaz [07:17] good morning [08:00] greetings everybody [08:33] smspillaz: If I felt like porting compiz's compositor to XRandR 1.4 to fix the texture size limitations, how bad an idea do you think it would be? [08:33] Note: no guarantee of actual 1.4 porting is being made here :) [08:37] RAOF: stop doing like a commercial ad :) "it will make your life better… DISCLAIMER: no real proof has been made that… blablabla" [08:41] All suggestions, express or implied, that work may or may not be done are explicitly disclaimed at this juncture. May contain traces of nuts. [08:43] :) [08:43] yeah, the "May contain traces of nuts", I really like this one, almost everywhere [08:46] hey RAOF [08:47] MacSlow: Howdie howdie howdie. [08:48] didrocks, RAOF: when trying to pull an update (on my nvidia-machine using the binary blob) I should be save if I disable the removing of "nvidia-current" and don't pull updates for the xserver... right? [08:48] MacSlow: apt-get upgrade should do that for you, doesn't it? [08:49] MacSlow: Right. As long as nvidia-current is installed, the new X server won't be. [08:49] didrocks, using synaptic here [08:49] MacSlow: hum, so yeah, disabling the removing of nvidia -current in it should do what you want [08:49] didrocks, wouldn't "apt-get upgrade" pull the new xserver and thus remove nvidia-current? [08:49] cool [08:50] MacSlow: apt-get upgrade never deletes package [08:50] apt-get *dist-*upgrade can propose removing packages :) [08:50] didrocks, ah ok [08:50] MacSlow: so, as long as you apt-get upgrade, you're always safe [08:51] the thing is that you can't have transition when removal of a package (renaming because of soname bump and such…) is on purpose [09:18] njpatel, this bug 705536 was fixed when your launcher-fixes branch was in progress (I tried it) but with the update it seems its back. [09:18] Launchpad bug 705536 in Unity "Unity allows you to Quit itself" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705536 [09:22] om26er, urgh, thanks, I'll re-open and milestone for this week [09:22] next week, event [09:22] even [09:22] okay, it's Friday [09:23] om26er, yeah, I can confirm it here....my hack didn't even last for two days! :) [10:03] RAOF: not a bad idea at all, I was planning to do that anyways [10:03] RAOF: I will now feed you with documentation [10:03] smspillaz: Oh, if you were going to do it anyway… :) In what sort of timeframe? [10:03] RAOF: somewhere in the distant future [10:03] Ah. [10:03] RAOF: but if you've got time to do a simple one that would be great [10:03] Ok, then. [10:03] Maybe. [10:04] its just a matter of writing the backend [10:04] It'd be a replacement for... opengl, right? [10:04] http://wiki.compiz.org/Development/zero-nine/CoreClasses/PaintHandler [10:04] yes [10:04] and [10:04] http://ktown.kde.org/~fredrik/composite_howto.html [10:05] RAOF: the only thing you'd need to do is implement the xrender backend in PaintHandler and then port the decor plugin to use xrender as well [10:06] Ah. You're thinking of something different. [10:06] oh ? [10:06] oh [10:06] s/XRandR/XRender/ [10:06] I wsa thinking s/XRender/XRandR/ :) [10:06] indeed [10:07] RAOF: I don't think that XRandR 1.4 will help with mts though [10:07] RAOF: we have multitexturing in core now, so if a tex size > mts we revert to the XGetImage copy-to-texture backend to copy the pixmap into multiple textures in a list which we draw with the same geometry [10:08] but XRender would be cool :) [10:08] :) [10:08] RAOF: out of curiousity, what would XRandr 1.4 do for mts ? [10:09] There's (optionally) no longer a single pixmap covering the whole display; it's now one-per-output. [10:10] So you wouldn't need to split the root pixmap, basically. [10:10] You'd still need multitexturing for when windows get bigger than mts, but that'd require the window to be bigger than a single output, which is an uncommon case :) [10:34] rodrigo_, is this still valid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/706891 [10:34] njpatel, looking [10:35] njpatel, hmm, not sure, asking API [10:35] oh, he's not around [10:41] rodrigo_, okay, I guess we'll have to wait :) [10:42] njpatel, I'll point him to the bug as soon as he shows up [10:42] thank you [11:02] njpatel: quick question about the emblem support in unity: what is the logic to decide where the emblem should appear ? [11:02] nerochiaro, I'm not 100% certain, will need to ask DBO about that [11:03] njpatel: DBO ? [11:06] nerochiaro, jason smith [11:06] njpatel: ah, ok. didn't know he had that other nick [11:07] ah, sorry :) [11:07] Here's me thinking he's famous ;) [11:45] njpatel: ping [11:46] Mark__T, pong [11:52] Mark__T: are your vapi files for indicator work with latest releases? [11:53] I can't make generate_vapi generate one for me here [11:54] njpatel: http://dpaste.com/429590/ [11:55] Mark__T, we don't really use indicator through vapi anymore so I haven't seen that for a while :/ [11:55] Mark__T, looks like some of the -custom bits can be removed now maybe [11:58] njpatel: I was thinking of doing a clean rewrite of my xfce4-indicator-plugin using vala [11:59] ahh [12:00] Mark__T, did you pick up all the files in the vala directory? (-custom.vala, metadata etc)? [12:00] no, missed metadata ... [12:02] njpatel: thanks [12:02] next time I should use bzr :-D [12:02] heh, yes! [12:02] :) [12:03] Mark__T, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~njpatel/libindicator/vala/files [12:03] that's what I used to create the vapis [12:03] it probably needs a little updating but hopefully should work [12:04] btw, any chance that vapi-generation moves into libindicator or vala? [12:04] it would be good if libindicator did it manually yeah, but I don't think ted has spare cycles :( [12:05] k now let's see if I eventually really understand these whole indicator stuff [12:05] heh [12:06] It was to much guessing and trying involved when I initially wrote that plugin [12:06] s/to/too [12:07] Mark__T, is your plugin a host for indicators? [12:07] i.e. is it indicator-applet for xfce? [12:08] njpatel: yes [12:09] sweet [12:10] unfortunatly it makes the called app crash if I click on a notification entry [12:11] not sure why, same happens if I use the indicator-applet through a wrapper [12:11] (there is a plugin for xfce panel to use gnome applets) [12:14] do you ahve a trace? [12:31] njpatel: need to run something in gdb, and call it ... [12:32] njpatel: getting debugsymbols for pidgin ... [12:48] njpatel: http://dpaste.com/429731/ that's all I get [12:50] oh, I don't know much about pidgin, sorry:/ [12:51] claws-mail crashes too === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === Artir_ is now known as Artir [13:41] I see that the notification area is coming back.. But its limited as to what can use it. Is there a way for apps like Dropbox to display that they are running as they did previously? [13:44] cjohnston, Dropbox just needs updating to the new libindicator-application [13:46] njpatel: ok.. thanks.. [13:47] cjohnston, the whitelist is kept in dconf if you want to amend it (at least for now it is) [13:50] oh.. ok.. great.. === API is now known as Guest43074 [14:31] ronoc, i saw you had reverted the merge of TheMuso's branch because the libindicator changes hadn't landed yet [14:31] ronoc, libindicator with the a11y changes is uploaded, want to re-merge that and do a release? [14:32] kenvandine, hey, will do hoping to merge in also the voip feature, when do you need it by, [14:32] ? [14:33] anytime [14:33] voip feature? [14:34] kenvandine, -> Voip Mic input feature to land in the sound menu -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu#Microphone%20volume%20item (works: http://i.imgur.com/rUQWN.png) [14:35] oh... awesome! [14:35] kenvandine, ! [14:35] hey njpatel [14:35] kenvandine, I love indicator-xchat, but really need the nick-changing thing to be fixed :) [14:36] hehe [14:36] i haven't figured out how to do that :/ [14:36] Could we do a a strstr or something to just fuzzy the search? [14:36] that might help sometimes [14:36] if your nick stays similar === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:37] right, I mean that's the majority of cases for me, but I get that it's not perfect [14:37] i just wish xchat-gnome would just give me a signal on nick changes [14:37] which last time i looked, it doesn't [14:37] but... somehow the UI knows to change [14:37] kenvandine, also, to get the count off the launcher, I need to switch away from the private conversation/channel or x-chat window [14:37] i guess i should look to see the the UI does to know [14:38] right [14:38] same as the indicator [14:38] really? never noticed I guess :) [14:38] we don't update the indicator or count if the channel and window is focused [14:38] that is new :) [14:38] aah [14:38] the window focus part [14:38] and focusing the window now signals changing the indicator and count as well [14:38] if the channel/pm is focused [14:39] njpatel, but since that is new... there might be bugs [14:39] ronoc, what is ubuntuone music in the menu for? [14:40] kenvandine, their player slots into the menu nicely [14:40] ? [14:40] they have their own player? [14:40] kenvandine, yeah first I heard of it was a few weeks back [14:40] * kenvandine wonders how he could have missed that! [14:40] kenvandine, for streaming from ubuntu one [14:41] still in alpha [14:41] what's the package name? [14:41] kenvandine, I was thrown a deb :) [14:41] ah [14:51] tedg, hey hey [14:51] :-) [14:56] aruiz, Howdy, loved your mail! [14:56] tedg, n_n [14:57] aruiz, So yeah, let's make a release and start packaging it. [14:57] aruiz, We'll not seed it or anything like that, so most people won't get it right away. [14:57] tedg, should I take care of the debian packaging myself? [14:58] aruiz, If you want to, that's fine. Otherwise we can ask the Ubuntu Desktop team. [14:59] tedg, I think it'll be better if the desktop team takes care of it, my dpkg-fu is sub-standard, to say the least, you'll end up spending as much time fixing my stuff than packaging :-) [15:00] tedg, btw, I don't know if you have noticed, but I'm using waf, would that be a problem? [15:00] aruiz, Makes sense tome :) [15:01] aruiz, No, that should be fine. You might get some bitching, but I'm sure there's packaging rules for it. [15:01] oh well, coping with bitching is okay :-) [15:02] aruiz, Do you know how to upload tarballs in LP? [15:02] tedg, actually, I'm going to fix the license headers before the release [15:02] * kenvandine grumbles about waf [15:02] aruiz, Good idea. [15:02] * tedg tells kenvandine to be quiet or we'll call this lo-indicator ;) [15:03] * kenvandine will hold that package hostage :) [15:03] tedg, I just had a look at the web form, seems relatively easy, any conventions on the changelog/release notes? [15:03] are they actually mandatory? [15:03] :-) [15:03] aruiz, No, not really. I'm pretty bad at filling them out. kenvandine would probably like them filled out more :) [15:03] :-) [15:04] aruiz, We have a couple of automake rules to build the Changelog. Not sure how to put those in WAF, but you can try. [15:04] yeah... i got tired of bitching at tedg about that [15:04] okay, I'll fix these headers and go ahead [15:04] :) [15:04] kenvandine, oh well [15:04] kenvandine, waf is awesome btw! [15:04] aruiz, i just some hint of what changes from version to version, specifically if it fixed known bugs :) [15:04] yeah... not that i don't like waf [15:04] well, this is the first release [15:05] kenvandine, does it not play well with debian packages? [15:05] it's just frustrating dealing with packages using different build systems [15:05] gotcha [15:05] never done a debian package using waf [15:05] but it shouldn't be hard [15:05] i packaged some conary stuff back in the day with waf, which was easy [15:06] well, the libreoffice extension build mechanism was quite a nightmare to decipher, having to cope with autofoo while trying to understand what's going on with that spagetthi Makefile purgatory wasn't really the best use of my time [15:06] and back when i hacked on packagekit we made an attempt to switch to waf [15:06] which didn't go so well [15:06] well [15:06] back then waf was quite unstable [15:06] I actually convinced the maintainer to have a decent set of unit test and stop breaking trunk [15:06] (yeah, trunk, they still use svn) [15:07] (and yeah, he used to brake it several times a day) [15:08] nice [15:08] kenvandine, if my stuff gives you any trouble let me know and I'll figure out how to make it easy for you [15:08] :) [15:08] awesome [15:08] kamstrup: hate to sound whiny .... but any word on GI for libunity? [15:08] tedg, ^^ example of how to deal with desktop guys :) [15:08] hi aruiz! [15:08] hey jcastro [15:08] how's it going? [15:08] good good, glad to see you around [15:08] tedg, aruiz is scoring good points here... hint hint :) [15:09] kenvandine, aruiz will learn that if you give those desktop people an inch, they'll ask for a mile. He's just a n00b. [15:09] jcastro, he got LO menus working... [15:09] kenvandine, give him a break X-) [15:09] ;-D [15:09] wait what? [15:09] screenshot [15:09] jcastro, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4524326/foo.gif [15:09] screencast [15:09] :P [15:09] nice [15:09] nice nice nice [15:09] aruiz, when you get a release, ping me and i'll start packaging [15:09] kenvandine, will do [15:09] no hurry, i have a far bit to do today [15:10] * aruiz goes to fill those headers [15:10] aruiz: where's the code at? [15:10] but i would love to get that uploaded soon... :) [15:10] jcastro, launchpad.net/lo-menubar [15:10] ok thanks [15:10] blogging this bad boy. :) [15:10] jcastro, I was going to blog this! [15:10] :P [15:11] oh, well if you got it then rock and roll with it! [15:11] well [15:11] but hurry, this is great friday-candy [15:11] I'm not in p.u.o [15:11] I'll handle that [15:11] so feel free to refer to it once I blog [15:11] or I can just show the OMG guys this too [15:11] well, it's not finished, loads of stuff to do [15:12] but if that's fine, then sure [15:12] right [15:12] * tedg thinks our new strategy for U1 will just to be to show dropbox links to OMG and make them go under from bandwidth charges [15:13] haha [15:13] tedg, I recently created a U1 account [15:13] aruiz: I think most people will just be happy that someone is working on it [15:13] jcastro, :-) [15:14] kenvandine, Does Gwibber use SSL for Facebook? I knew you were working on it at some point, but I forgot the end of the story. [15:14] yes [15:14] Cool [15:15] but there is problems with ssl in pywebkitgtk [15:15] so in gwibber-accounts it uses ssl, but it doesn't actually validate the cert [15:15] however, all api calls do === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [15:16] Ah, okay. I'm guessing the GTK version of Gwibber is going to be N+1? [15:16] tedg, btw, should I follow LGPLv3/MPL to comply with LO licensing? [15:17] aruiz, When I talked to dbarth about this we talked about LGPLv3, but not dual. So let's leave it there for now and talk to him when he gets back next week. I don't see any issue, but we should check that. [15:17] * tedg didn't think about dual at the time. [15:17] tedg, I'll go for LGPLv3 then [15:18] this is an extension, so it should be fine [15:19] njpatel, ping [15:19] rodrigo_, pong [15:19] njpatel, iirc, you told me once that the panel service would get coordinates info for the indicators from unity, right? [15:21] jcastro: hi - good news! I have it working on my own system. Lots of duct tape and spaghetti-wiring, but working :-) [15:21] rodrigo_, yeah, just haven't had a chance to do that yet [15:21] rodrigo_, you need it for a11y, right? [15:21] kamstrup: woo! [15:21] jcastro: I'll be working with didrocks, next week I guess?, to land it [15:21] njpatel, yes, I do, so how were you planning to do it? I can do it as part of the branch I'm working on [15:21] kamstrup, it's all duct-tape [15:21] :) [15:21] since I really need it, to implement AtkComponent interface [15:21] jcastro: there's already a python sample in libunity trunk if I remembered to push it [15:22] njpatel, send the coordinates in the sync call? [15:22] njpatel: nice code name for the next libunity release :-) [15:22] jcastro: kamstrup: yeah, next week :) [15:22] woo! [15:23] didrocks: how "extras.ubuntu.com"'-able do you think we can do places? [15:23] jcastro: i'm working a bit on cross lang docs as well and there is some progress - i'll have something to show next week prolly, but it wont be pretty... :-) [15:23] didrocks: I'd like to try having people making tons of them but not worry about distro freezes, etc. [15:23] rodrigo_, feel free to do it, it would just be sent after we deal with the Sync signal, basically a method on the service like "SyncGeometries", which, in the same order and using the same ids, sends back a struct like { char *entry_id, int x ,int y, int width, int height) [15:23] kamstrup: maybe I can get you some help there [15:24] jcastro: I think places can totallly be an extras.ubuntu.com entry [15:24] rodrigo_, and we can send it when we have multi-monitor support, but for now just sending it after we refresh all the entries would work perfectly [15:24] didrocks: woo! [15:24] jcastro: but with the /opt policy… we need to work out something [15:24] to detect places there [15:24] not to hard, just we have to think about it [15:24] njpatel, ok, so assing that to me, if there's a bug [15:24] (it's the same issue that I'm discussing for month on .desktop file, dbus service and such…) [15:24] there isn't a bug, feel free to create one [15:24] didrocks, jcastro: yeah, with everything under /opt we need some magic for dbus activation to work no? [15:25] didrocks, Just distro patch it ;) [15:25] kamstrup: dbus and places ;) [15:25] didrocks: from my pov places~=dbus [15:25] :-) [15:25] tedg: ahah! I'll distro-patch my Quickly work and python-* perl foo that I made 3 months ago :) [15:25] kamstrup: heh, that's true := [15:26] jcastro: so in a nutshell, not a biggie, just have to discuss it, can be a post feature freeze discussion though [15:26] well, if we want people making places we need someplace to put them, and I'd prefer pointing people towards extras than having every Place scattered in different PPAs, etc. [15:26] didrocks: sounds good to me! [15:26] jcastro: totally agree on the plan :) [15:27] ok so post FF we talk "deploying places". [15:27] high five team, woo [15:27] njpatel, what other stuff do you need the coordinates for? [15:27] kamstrup: the thing is that it's not just "/opt", it's "/opt/extras.ubuntu.com/-/ [15:27] * didrocks hugs jcastro, thanks for tracking this! [15:27] didrocks: oh... [15:28] kamstrup: hence the "not easy" :-) [15:28] didrocks: so they are confined to that dir, and that dir only? [15:28] rodrigo_, to get rid of the code that sends back the pointer co-ords when a menu is open (for scrubbing, don't ask), so please cache the co-ords when you get them [15:28] kamstrup: theorically yeah [15:28] njpatel, ok [15:28] kamstrup: so we get the issue with all "well-known directories" like desktop file, dbus, mimetypes… [15:29] didrocks: eeeek! that's going to be "funny" for a certain definition of "funny" [15:29] kamstrup: I'm waving this issue for some weeks already :-) [15:29] didrocks: understandably [15:29] the idea is great, but we need to patch the apps before [15:29] rickspencer3, ping [15:29] and the different caches generated and such [15:30] njpatel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/721322 [15:30] thanks [15:31] njpatel, what milestone should I set it to? [15:31] rodrigo_, will you be doing it for next week? [15:31] rodrigo_, 3.4.6 if you are [15:31] njpatel, yes, next week [15:32] although can't seem to be able to set the milestone [15:32] i'll do it in a bit [15:34] jcastro: easy bitesize than need advertisement btw: bug #721121 [15:34] Launchpad bug 721121 in humanity-icon-theme (Ubuntu) "Icon in Launcher should be home folder icon" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721121 [15:35] oh god yes, finally, ok on it [15:35] cando_: easy karma ^ [15:37] jcastro, uh cool! btw actually i can't hack unity...my compiz crashes...:( [15:38] smspillaz: nice work. [15:39] can you get a trace or anything? [15:39] or is it just doomed for you? [15:41] yeah, i could try!maybe i'm wrong but it's a common problem...i've read in this channel that somebody else has my same problem.. [15:53] njpatel, have you started using GEIS v1 for unity yet? === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [16:05] jcastro: nice work on what ? [16:05] I was just blaming cando_'s compiz problems on you, no worries [16:05] oh ok [16:06] cando_: what's the problem, you're speaking to the compiz maintainer [16:07] smspillaz, compiz crashes... :)...i can pastebin my /var/crash/ if you want.. [16:07] cando_: that would be lovely [16:08] jcastro, tedg, kenvandine Tarball rolled https://launchpad.net/lo-menubar [16:08] aruiz, thx [16:09] woo [16:10] note that this is bleeding edge, expect zombie unicorns puking greyscaled rainbows [16:10] * aruiz goes to blogpost [16:10] smspillaz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/568788/ [16:11] aruiz, what provides uno_sal [16:11] kenvandine, oh, yeah, the build deps [16:11] kenvandine, gimme a sec [16:12] thx [16:14] kenvandine, you need gio-dev, libdbusmenu-dev, libstlport4.6-dev and libreoffice-dev [16:14] thx [16:14] libglib*-dev that is [16:15] kenvandine, you know what I mean :-) [16:15] yup [16:15] DBO: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/718880 [16:15] was there a merge request for this or ... ? [16:16] i didn't see one [16:17] ok I just asked the guy [16:17] jcastro: DBO: no, he did a brach [16:18] I'll link to the merge request [16:18] I approved it, waiting on some paperwork [16:18] ta [16:18] smspillaz, btw seems that last nux and last unity fail to build: http://paste.ubuntu.com/568792/ [16:18] oh ok, did he do it under ubuntu/ or something? [16:18] jcastro: no no, he just didn't link the branch, one sec [16:19] cando_: erm, right, it is late at night here, should have remembered that /var/crash is essentially just a core dump. Are you able to get a backtrace ? [16:20] with gdb? [16:20] ok [16:20] cheers [16:20] trying [16:23] didrocks: I tried to link it and I get some broken search box in launchpad that doesn't find his branch [16:23] jcastro: I've done it, maybe a race? [16:23] that's probably why he didn't link it [16:24] jcastro: I guested [16:24] ah, cheers [16:24] I guess* and commented [16:24] weird, when I type to quick and compiz is hanging the display, it looses keypress events (like my last sentence) [16:25] nice, so there's a new contributor, now oliver needs to fix his up and that'll be 2. [16:25] woo [16:28] :) [16:29] tedg, btw, I don't know if you've noticed that gvim doesn't export the menu data (though it hides its main menu) [16:34] smspillaz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/568804/ [16:35] thx [16:37] cando_: seems to be a crash in the launcher [16:37] that's probably something for DBO to handle ... although he just left .. [16:37] smspillaz, yeah sorry..i've just seen it too.. [16:37] i thought it was compiz... [16:37] cando_: yeah, the process that crashes is compiz since that hosts the launcher [16:38] aruiz, Hmm, it does for me... [16:38] cando_: you said you were compiling unity right? and it crashes ? [16:38] Though, I get no shortcuts... which in a way makes sense. [16:38] tedg, hmmm [16:39] smspillaz, i can't build it....http://pastebin.com/NDNdaum0 [16:39] MacSlow: ^ [16:39] MacSlow: did something not get pushed ? [16:39]