[00:17] <rbnswartz> DBO you around and not busy?
[07:17] <didrocks> good morning
[08:00] <MacSlow> greetings everybody
[08:33] <RAOF> smspillaz: If I felt like porting compiz's compositor to XRandR 1.4 to fix the texture size limitations, how bad an idea do you think it would be?
[08:33] <RAOF> Note: no guarantee of actual 1.4 porting is being made here :)
[08:37] <didrocks> RAOF: stop doing like a commercial ad :) "it will make your life better…                  DISCLAIMER: no real proof has been made that… blablabla"
[08:41] <RAOF> All suggestions, express or implied, that work may or may not be done are explicitly disclaimed at this juncture.  May contain traces of nuts.
[08:43] <didrocks> :)
[08:43] <didrocks> yeah, the "May contain traces of nuts", I really like this one, almost everywhere
[08:46] <MacSlow> hey RAOF
[08:47] <RAOF> MacSlow: Howdie howdie howdie.
[08:48] <MacSlow> didrocks, RAOF: when trying to pull an update (on my nvidia-machine using the binary blob) I should be save if I disable the removing of "nvidia-current" and don't pull updates for the xserver... right?
[08:48] <didrocks> MacSlow: apt-get upgrade should do that for you, doesn't it?
[08:49] <RAOF> MacSlow: Right.  As long as nvidia-current is installed, the new X server won't be.
[08:49] <MacSlow> didrocks, using synaptic here
[08:49] <didrocks> MacSlow: hum, so yeah, disabling the removing of nvidia -current in it should do what you want
[08:49] <MacSlow> didrocks, wouldn't "apt-get upgrade" pull the new xserver and thus remove nvidia-current?
[08:49] <MacSlow> cool
[08:50] <didrocks> MacSlow: apt-get upgrade never deletes package
[08:50] <didrocks> apt-get *dist-*upgrade  can propose removing packages :)
[08:50] <MacSlow> didrocks, ah ok
[08:50] <didrocks> MacSlow: so, as long as you apt-get upgrade, you're always safe
[08:51] <didrocks> the thing is that you can't have transition when removal of a package (renaming because of soname bump and such…) is on purpose
[09:18] <om26er> njpatel, this bug 705536 was fixed when your launcher-fixes branch was in progress (I tried it) but with the update it seems its back.
[09:22] <njpatel> om26er, urgh, thanks, I'll re-open and milestone for this week
[09:22] <njpatel> next week, event
[09:22] <njpatel> even
[09:22] <njpatel> okay, it's Friday
[09:23] <njpatel> om26er, yeah, I can confirm it here....my hack didn't even last for two days! :)
[10:03] <smspillaz> RAOF: not a bad idea at all, I was planning to do that anyways
[10:03] <smspillaz> RAOF: I will now feed you with documentation
[10:03] <RAOF> smspillaz: Oh, if you were going to do it anyway… :)  In what sort of timeframe?
[10:03] <smspillaz> RAOF: somewhere in the distant future
[10:03] <RAOF> Ah.
[10:03] <smspillaz> RAOF: but if you've got time to do a simple one that would be great
[10:03] <RAOF> Ok, then.
[10:03] <RAOF> Maybe.
[10:04] <smspillaz> its just a matter of writing the backend
[10:04] <RAOF> It'd be a replacement for... opengl, right?
[10:04] <smspillaz> http://wiki.compiz.org/Development/zero-nine/CoreClasses/PaintHandler
[10:04] <smspillaz> yes
[10:04] <smspillaz> and
[10:04] <smspillaz> http://ktown.kde.org/~fredrik/composite_howto.html
[10:05] <smspillaz> RAOF: the only thing you'd need to do is implement the xrender backend in PaintHandler and then port the decor plugin to use xrender as well
[10:06] <RAOF> Ah.  You're thinking of something different.
[10:06] <smspillaz> oh ?
[10:06] <smspillaz> oh
[10:06] <smspillaz> s/XRandR/XRender/
[10:06] <RAOF> I wsa thinking s/XRender/XRandR/ :)
[10:06] <smspillaz> indeed
[10:07] <smspillaz> RAOF: I don't think that XRandR 1.4 will help with mts though
[10:07] <smspillaz> RAOF: we have multitexturing in core now, so if a tex size > mts we revert to the XGetImage copy-to-texture backend to copy the pixmap into multiple textures in a list which we draw with the same geometry
[10:08] <smspillaz> but XRender would be cool :)
[10:08] <RAOF> :)
[10:08] <smspillaz> RAOF: out of curiousity, what would XRandr 1.4 do for mts ?
[10:09] <RAOF> There's (optionally) no longer a single pixmap covering the whole display; it's now one-per-output.
[10:10] <RAOF> So you wouldn't need to split the root pixmap, basically.
[10:10] <RAOF> You'd still need multitexturing for when windows get bigger than mts, but that'd require the window to be bigger than a single output, which is an uncommon case :)
[10:34] <njpatel> rodrigo_, is this still valid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/706891
[10:34] <rodrigo_> njpatel, looking
[10:35] <rodrigo_> njpatel, hmm, not sure, asking API
[10:35] <rodrigo_> oh, he's not around
[10:41] <njpatel> rodrigo_, okay, I guess we'll have to wait :)
[10:42] <rodrigo_> njpatel, I'll point him to the bug as soon as he shows up
[10:42] <njpatel> thank you
[11:02] <nerochiaro> njpatel: quick question about the emblem support in unity: what is the logic to decide where the emblem should appear ?
[11:02] <njpatel> nerochiaro, I'm not 100% certain, will need to ask DBO about that
[11:03] <nerochiaro> njpatel: DBO ?
[11:06] <njpatel> nerochiaro, jason smith
[11:06] <nerochiaro> njpatel: ah, ok. didn't know he had that other nick
[11:07] <njpatel> ah, sorry :)
[11:07] <njpatel> Here's me thinking he's famous ;)
[11:45] <Mark__T> njpatel: ping
[11:46] <njpatel> Mark__T, pong
[11:52] <Mark__T> Mark__T: are your vapi files for indicator work with latest releases?
[11:53] <Mark__T> I can't make generate_vapi generate one for me here
[11:54] <Mark__T> njpatel: http://dpaste.com/429590/
[11:55] <njpatel> Mark__T, we don't really use indicator through vapi anymore so I haven't seen that for a while :/
[11:55] <njpatel> Mark__T, looks like some of the -custom bits can be removed now maybe
[11:58] <Mark__T> njpatel: I was thinking of doing a clean rewrite of my xfce4-indicator-plugin using vala
[11:59] <njpatel> ahh
[12:00] <njpatel> Mark__T, did you pick up all the files in the vala directory? (-custom.vala, metadata etc)?
[12:00] <Mark__T> no, missed metadata ...
[12:02] <Mark__T> njpatel: thanks
[12:02] <Mark__T> next time I should use bzr :-D
[12:02] <njpatel> heh, yes!
[12:02] <njpatel> :)
[12:03] <njpatel> Mark__T, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~njpatel/libindicator/vala/files
[12:03] <njpatel> that's what I used to create the vapis
[12:03] <njpatel> it probably needs a little updating but hopefully should work
[12:04] <Mark__T> btw, any chance that vapi-generation moves into libindicator or vala?
[12:04] <njpatel> it would be good if libindicator did it manually yeah, but I don't think ted has spare cycles :(
[12:05] <Mark__T> k now let's see if I eventually really understand these whole indicator stuff
[12:05] <njpatel> heh
[12:06] <Mark__T> It was to much guessing and trying involved when I initially wrote that plugin
[12:06] <Mark__T> s/to/too
[12:07] <njpatel> Mark__T, is your plugin a host for indicators?
[12:07] <njpatel> i.e. is it indicator-applet for xfce?
[12:08] <Mark__T> njpatel: yes
[12:09] <njpatel> sweet
[12:10] <Mark__T> unfortunatly it makes the called app crash if I click on a notification entry
[12:11] <Mark__T> not sure why, same happens if I use the indicator-applet through a wrapper
[12:11] <Mark__T> (there is a plugin for xfce panel to use gnome applets)
[12:14] <njpatel> do you ahve a trace?
[12:31] <Mark__T> njpatel: need to run something in gdb, and call it ...
[12:32] <Mark__T> njpatel: getting debugsymbols for pidgin ...
[12:48] <Mark__T> njpatel: http://dpaste.com/429731/ that's all I get
[12:50] <njpatel> oh, I don't know much about pidgin, sorry:/
[12:51] <Mark__T> claws-mail crashes too
[13:41] <cjohnston> I see that the notification area is coming back.. But its limited as to what can use it. Is there a way for apps like Dropbox to display that they are running as they did previously?
[13:44] <njpatel> cjohnston, Dropbox just needs updating to the new libindicator-application
[13:46] <cjohnston> njpatel: ok.. thanks..
[13:47] <njpatel> cjohnston, the whitelist is kept in dconf if you want to amend it (at least for now it is)
[13:50] <cjohnston> oh.. ok.. great..
[14:31] <kenvandine> ronoc, i saw you had reverted the merge of TheMuso's branch because the libindicator changes hadn't landed yet
[14:31] <kenvandine> ronoc, libindicator with the a11y changes is uploaded, want to re-merge that and do a release?
[14:32] <ronoc> kenvandine, hey, will do hoping to merge in also the voip feature, when do you need it by,
[14:32] <ronoc> ?
[14:33] <kenvandine> anytime
[14:33] <kenvandine> voip feature?
[14:34] <ronoc> kenvandine, -> Voip Mic input feature to land in the sound menu -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu#Microphone%20volume%20item (works: http://i.imgur.com/rUQWN.png)
[14:35] <kenvandine> oh... awesome!
[14:35] <njpatel> kenvandine, !
[14:35] <kenvandine> hey njpatel
[14:35] <njpatel> kenvandine, I love indicator-xchat, but really need the nick-changing thing to be fixed :)
[14:36] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:36] <kenvandine> i haven't figured out how to do that :/
[14:36] <njpatel> Could we do a a strstr or something to just fuzzy the search?
[14:36] <kenvandine> that might help sometimes
[14:36] <kenvandine> if your nick stays similar
[14:37] <njpatel> right, I mean that's the majority of cases for me, but I get that it's not perfect
[14:37] <kenvandine> i just wish xchat-gnome would just give me a signal on nick changes
[14:37] <kenvandine> which last time i looked, it doesn't
[14:37] <kenvandine> but... somehow the UI knows to change
[14:37] <njpatel> kenvandine, also, to get the count off the launcher, I need to switch away from the private conversation/channel or x-chat window
[14:37] <kenvandine> i guess i should look to see the the UI does to know
[14:38] <kenvandine> right
[14:38] <kenvandine> same as the indicator
[14:38] <njpatel> really? never noticed I guess :)
[14:38] <kenvandine> we don't update the indicator or count if the channel and window is focused
[14:38] <kenvandine> that is new :)
[14:38] <njpatel> aah
[14:38] <kenvandine> the window focus part
[14:38] <kenvandine> and focusing the window now signals changing the indicator and count as well
[14:38] <kenvandine> if the channel/pm is focused
[14:39] <kenvandine> njpatel, but since that is new... there might be bugs
[14:39] <kenvandine> ronoc, what is ubuntuone music in the menu for?
[14:40] <ronoc> kenvandine, their player slots into the menu nicely
[14:40] <kenvandine> ?
[14:40] <kenvandine> they have  their own player?
[14:40] <ronoc> kenvandine, yeah first I heard of it was a few weeks back
[14:40]  * kenvandine wonders how he could have missed that!
[14:40] <ronoc> kenvandine, for streaming from ubuntu one
[14:41] <ronoc> still in alpha
[14:41] <kenvandine> what's the package name?
[14:41] <ronoc> kenvandine, I was thrown a deb :)
[14:41] <kenvandine> ah
[14:51] <aruiz> tedg, hey hey
[14:51] <aruiz> :-)
[14:56] <tedg> aruiz, Howdy, loved your mail!
[14:56] <aruiz> tedg, n_n
[14:57] <tedg> aruiz, So yeah, let's make a release and start packaging it.
[14:57] <tedg> aruiz, We'll not seed it or anything like that, so most people won't get it right away.
[14:57] <aruiz> tedg, should I take care of the debian packaging myself?
[14:58] <tedg> aruiz, If you want to, that's fine.  Otherwise we can ask the Ubuntu Desktop team.
[14:59] <aruiz> tedg, I think it'll be better if the desktop team takes care of it, my dpkg-fu is sub-standard, to say the least, you'll end up spending as much time fixing my stuff than packaging :-)
[15:00] <aruiz> tedg, btw, I don't know if you have noticed, but I'm using waf, would that be a problem?
[15:00] <tedg> aruiz, Makes sense tome :)
[15:01] <tedg> aruiz, No, that should be fine.  You might get some bitching, but I'm sure there's packaging rules for it.
[15:01] <aruiz> oh well, coping with bitching is okay :-)
[15:02] <tedg> aruiz, Do you know how to upload tarballs in LP?
[15:02] <aruiz> tedg, actually, I'm going to fix the license headers before the release
[15:02]  * kenvandine grumbles about waf
[15:02] <tedg> aruiz, Good idea.
[15:02]  * tedg tells kenvandine to be quiet or we'll call this lo-indicator ;)
[15:03]  * kenvandine will hold that package hostage :)
[15:03] <aruiz> tedg, I just had a look at the web form, seems relatively easy, any conventions on the changelog/release notes?
[15:03] <aruiz> are they actually mandatory?
[15:03] <aruiz> :-)
[15:03] <tedg> aruiz, No, not really.  I'm pretty bad at filling them out.  kenvandine would probably like them filled out more :)
[15:03] <aruiz> :-)
[15:04] <tedg> aruiz, We have a couple of automake rules to build the Changelog.  Not sure how to put those in WAF, but you can try.
[15:04] <kenvandine> yeah... i got tired of bitching at tedg about that
[15:04] <aruiz> okay, I'll fix these headers and go ahead
[15:04] <kenvandine> :)
[15:04] <aruiz> kenvandine, oh well
[15:04] <aruiz> kenvandine, waf is awesome btw!
[15:04] <kenvandine> aruiz, i just some hint of what changes from version to version, specifically if it fixed known bugs :)
[15:04] <kenvandine> yeah... not that i don't like waf
[15:04] <aruiz> well, this is the first release
[15:05] <aruiz> kenvandine, does it not play well with debian packages?
[15:05] <kenvandine> it's just frustrating dealing with packages using different build systems
[15:05] <aruiz> gotcha
[15:05] <kenvandine> never done a debian package using waf
[15:05] <kenvandine> but it shouldn't be hard
[15:05] <kenvandine> i packaged some conary stuff back in the day with waf, which was easy
[15:06] <aruiz> well, the libreoffice extension build mechanism was quite a nightmare to decipher, having to cope with autofoo while trying to understand what's going on with that spagetthi Makefile purgatory wasn't really the best use of my time
[15:06] <kenvandine> and back when i hacked on packagekit we made an attempt to switch to waf
[15:06] <kenvandine> which didn't go so well
[15:06] <aruiz> well
[15:06] <aruiz> back then waf was quite unstable
[15:06] <aruiz> I actually convinced the maintainer to have a decent set of unit test and stop breaking trunk
[15:06] <aruiz> (yeah, trunk, they still use svn)
[15:07] <aruiz> (and yeah, he used to brake it several times a day)
[15:08] <kenvandine> nice
[15:08] <aruiz> kenvandine, if my stuff gives you any trouble let me know and I'll figure out how to make it easy for you
[15:08] <kenvandine> :)
[15:08] <kenvandine> awesome
[15:08] <jcastro> kamstrup: hate to sound whiny .... but any word on GI for libunity?
[15:08] <kenvandine> tedg, ^^ example of how to deal with desktop guys :)
[15:08] <jcastro> hi aruiz!
[15:08] <aruiz> hey jcastro
[15:08] <aruiz> how's it going?
[15:08] <jcastro> good good, glad to see you around
[15:08] <kenvandine> tedg, aruiz is scoring good points here... hint hint :)
[15:09] <tedg> kenvandine, aruiz will learn that if you give those desktop people an inch, they'll ask for a mile.  He's just a n00b.
[15:09] <kenvandine> jcastro, he got LO menus working...
[15:09] <aruiz> kenvandine, give him a break X-)
[15:09] <kenvandine> ;-D
[15:09] <jcastro> wait what?
[15:09] <jcastro> screenshot
[15:09] <aruiz> jcastro, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4524326/foo.gif
[15:09] <aruiz> screencast
[15:09] <aruiz> :P
[15:09] <jcastro> nice
[15:09] <jcastro> nice nice nice
[15:09] <kenvandine> aruiz, when you get a release, ping me and i'll start packaging
[15:09] <aruiz> kenvandine, will do
[15:09] <kenvandine> no hurry, i have a far bit to do today
[15:10]  * aruiz goes to fill those headers
[15:10] <jcastro> aruiz: where's the code at?
[15:10] <kenvandine> but i would love to get that uploaded soon... :)
[15:10] <aruiz> jcastro, launchpad.net/lo-menubar
[15:10] <jcastro> ok thanks
[15:10] <jcastro> blogging this bad boy. :)
[15:10] <aruiz> jcastro, I was going to blog this!
[15:10] <aruiz> :P
[15:11] <jcastro> oh, well if you got it then rock and roll with it!
[15:11] <aruiz> well
[15:11] <jcastro> but hurry, this is great friday-candy
[15:11] <aruiz> I'm not in p.u.o
[15:11] <jcastro> I'll handle that
[15:11] <aruiz> so feel free to refer to it once I blog
[15:11] <jcastro> or I can just show the  OMG guys this too
[15:11] <aruiz> well, it's not finished, loads of stuff to do
[15:12] <aruiz> but if that's fine, then sure
[15:12] <jcastro> right
[15:12]  * tedg thinks our new strategy for U1 will just to be to show dropbox links to OMG and make them go under from bandwidth charges
[15:13] <aruiz> haha
[15:13] <aruiz> tedg, I recently created a U1 account
[15:13] <jcastro> aruiz: I think most people will just be happy that someone is working on it
[15:13] <aruiz> jcastro, :-)
[15:14] <tedg> kenvandine, Does Gwibber use SSL for Facebook?  I knew you were working on it at some point, but I forgot the end of the story.
[15:14] <kenvandine> yes
[15:14] <tedg> Cool
[15:15] <kenvandine> but there is problems with ssl in pywebkitgtk
[15:15] <kenvandine> so in gwibber-accounts it uses ssl, but it doesn't actually validate the cert
[15:15] <kenvandine> however, all api calls do
[15:16] <tedg> Ah, okay.  I'm guessing the GTK version of Gwibber is going to be N+1?
[15:16] <aruiz> tedg, btw, should I follow LGPLv3/MPL to comply with LO licensing?
[15:17] <tedg> aruiz, When I talked to dbarth about this we talked about LGPLv3, but not dual.  So let's leave it there for now and talk to him when he gets back next week.  I don't see any issue, but we should check that.
[15:17]  * tedg didn't think about dual at the time.
[15:17] <aruiz> tedg, I'll go for LGPLv3 then
[15:18] <aruiz> this is an extension, so it should be fine
[15:19] <rodrigo_> njpatel, ping
[15:19] <njpatel> rodrigo_, pong
[15:19] <rodrigo_> njpatel, iirc, you told me once that the panel service would get coordinates info for the indicators from unity, right?
[15:21] <kamstrup> jcastro: hi - good news! I have it working on my own system. Lots of duct tape and spaghetti-wiring, but working :-)
[15:21] <njpatel> rodrigo_, yeah, just haven't had a chance to do that yet
[15:21] <njpatel> rodrigo_, you need it for a11y, right?
[15:21] <jcastro> kamstrup: woo!
[15:21] <kamstrup> jcastro: I'll be working with didrocks, next week I guess?, to land it
[15:21] <rodrigo_> njpatel, yes, I do, so how were you planning to do it? I can do it as part of the branch I'm working on
[15:21] <njpatel> kamstrup, it's all duct-tape
[15:21] <njpatel> :)
[15:21] <rodrigo_> since I really need it, to implement AtkComponent interface
[15:21] <kamstrup> jcastro: there's already a python sample in libunity trunk if I remembered to push it
[15:22] <rodrigo_> njpatel, send the coordinates in the sync call?
[15:22] <kamstrup> njpatel: nice code name for the next libunity release :-)
[15:22] <didrocks> jcastro: kamstrup: yeah, next week  :)
[15:22] <jcastro> woo!
[15:23] <jcastro> didrocks: how "extras.ubuntu.com"'-able do you think we can do places?
[15:23] <kamstrup> jcastro: i'm working a bit on cross lang docs as well and there is some progress - i'll have something to show next week prolly, but it wont be pretty... :-)
[15:23] <jcastro> didrocks: I'd like to try having people making tons of them but not worry about distro freezes, etc.
[15:23] <njpatel> rodrigo_, feel free to do it, it would just be sent after we deal with the Sync signal, basically a method on the service like "SyncGeometries", which, in the same order and using the same ids, sends back a struct like { char *entry_id, int x ,int y, int width, int height)
[15:23] <jcastro> kamstrup: maybe I can get you some help there
[15:24] <didrocks> jcastro: I think places can totallly be an extras.ubuntu.com entry
[15:24] <njpatel> rodrigo_, and we can send it when we have multi-monitor support, but for now just sending it after we refresh all the entries would work perfectly
[15:24] <jcastro> didrocks: woo!
[15:24] <didrocks> jcastro: but with the /opt policy… we need to work out something
[15:24] <didrocks> to detect places there
[15:24] <didrocks> not to hard, just we have to think about it
[15:24] <rodrigo_> njpatel, ok, so assing that to me, if there's a bug
[15:24] <didrocks> (it's the same issue that I'm discussing for month on .desktop file, dbus service and such…)
[15:24] <njpatel> there isn't a bug, feel free to create one
[15:24] <kamstrup> didrocks, jcastro: yeah, with everything under /opt we need some magic for dbus activation to work no?
[15:25] <tedg> didrocks, Just distro patch it ;)
[15:25] <didrocks> kamstrup: dbus and places ;)
[15:25] <kamstrup> didrocks: from my pov places~=dbus
[15:25] <kamstrup> :-)
[15:25] <didrocks> tedg: ahah! I'll distro-patch my Quickly work and python-* perl foo that I made 3 months ago :)
[15:25] <didrocks> kamstrup: heh, that's true :=
[15:26] <didrocks> jcastro: so in a nutshell, not a biggie, just have to discuss it, can be a post feature freeze discussion though
[15:26] <jcastro> well, if we want people making places we need someplace to put them, and I'd prefer pointing people towards extras than having every Place scattered in different PPAs, etc.
[15:26] <jcastro> didrocks: sounds good to me!
[15:26] <didrocks> jcastro: totally agree on the plan :)
[15:27] <jcastro> ok so post FF we talk "deploying places".
[15:27] <jcastro> high five team, woo
[15:27] <rodrigo_> njpatel, what other stuff do you need the coordinates for?
[15:27] <didrocks> kamstrup: the thing is that it's not just "/opt", it's "/opt/extras.ubuntu.com/<app-name>-<version>/<here, standard Unix FHS>
[15:27]  * didrocks hugs jcastro, thanks for tracking this!
[15:27] <kamstrup> didrocks: oh...
[15:28] <didrocks> kamstrup: hence the "not easy" :-)
[15:28] <kamstrup> didrocks: so they are confined to that dir, and that dir only?
[15:28] <njpatel> rodrigo_, to get rid of the code that sends back the pointer co-ords when a menu is open (for scrubbing, don't ask), so please cache the co-ords when you get them
[15:28] <didrocks> kamstrup: theorically yeah
[15:28] <rodrigo_> njpatel, ok
[15:28] <didrocks> kamstrup: so we get the issue with all "well-known directories" like desktop file, dbus, mimetypes…
[15:29] <kamstrup> didrocks: eeeek! that's going to be "funny" for a certain definition of "funny"
[15:29] <didrocks> kamstrup: I'm waving this issue for some weeks already :-)
[15:29] <kamstrup> didrocks: understandably
[15:29] <didrocks> the idea is great, but we need to patch the apps before
[15:29] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, ping
[15:29] <didrocks> and the different caches generated and such
[15:30] <rodrigo_> njpatel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/721322
[15:30] <njpatel> thanks
[15:31] <rodrigo_> njpatel, what milestone should I set it to?
[15:31] <njpatel> rodrigo_, will you be doing it for next week?
[15:31] <njpatel> rodrigo_, 3.4.6 if you are
[15:31] <rodrigo_> njpatel, yes, next week
[15:32] <rodrigo_> although can't seem to be able to set the milestone
[15:32] <njpatel> i'll do it in a bit
[15:34] <didrocks> jcastro: easy bitesize than need advertisement btw: bug #721121
[15:35] <jcastro> oh god yes, finally, ok on it
[15:35] <jcastro> cando_: easy karma ^
[15:37] <cando_> jcastro, uh cool! btw actually i can't hack unity...my compiz crashes...:(
[15:38] <jcastro> smspillaz: nice work.
[15:39] <jcastro> can you get a trace or anything?
[15:39] <jcastro> or is it just doomed for you?
[15:41] <cando_> yeah, i could try!maybe i'm wrong but it's a common problem...i've read in this channel that somebody else has my same problem..
[15:53] <bregma> njpatel, have you started using GEIS v1 for unity yet?
[16:05] <smspillaz> jcastro: nice work on what ?
[16:05] <jcastro> I was just blaming cando_'s compiz problems on you, no worries
[16:05] <smspillaz> oh ok
[16:06] <smspillaz> cando_: what's the problem, you're speaking to the compiz maintainer
[16:07] <cando_> smspillaz, compiz crashes... :)...i can pastebin my /var/crash/<compiz> if you want..
[16:07] <smspillaz> cando_: that would be lovely
[16:08] <aruiz> jcastro, tedg, kenvandine Tarball rolled https://launchpad.net/lo-menubar
[16:08] <kenvandine> aruiz, thx
[16:09] <jcastro> woo
[16:10] <aruiz> note that this is bleeding edge, expect zombie unicorns puking greyscaled rainbows
[16:10]  * aruiz goes to blogpost
[16:10] <cando_> smspillaz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/568788/
[16:11] <kenvandine> aruiz, what provides uno_sal
[16:11] <aruiz> kenvandine, oh, yeah, the build deps
[16:11] <aruiz> kenvandine, gimme a sec
[16:12] <kenvandine> thx
[16:14] <aruiz> kenvandine, you need gio-dev, libdbusmenu-dev,  libstlport4.6-dev and libreoffice-dev
[16:14] <kenvandine> thx
[16:14] <aruiz> libglib*-dev that is
[16:15] <aruiz> kenvandine, you know what I mean :-)
[16:15] <kenvandine> yup
[16:15] <jcastro> DBO: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/718880
[16:15] <jcastro> was there a merge request for this or ... ?
[16:16] <DBO> i didn't see one
[16:17] <jcastro> ok I just asked the guy
[16:17] <didrocks> jcastro: DBO: no, he did a brach
[16:18] <didrocks> I'll link to the merge request
[16:18] <didrocks> I approved it, waiting on some paperwork
[16:18] <jcastro> ta
[16:18] <cando_> smspillaz, btw seems that last nux and last unity fail to build: http://paste.ubuntu.com/568792/
[16:18] <jcastro> oh ok, did he do it under ubuntu/ or something?
[16:18] <didrocks> jcastro: no no, he just didn't link the branch, one sec
[16:19] <smspillaz> cando_: erm, right, it is late at night here, should have remembered that /var/crash is essentially just a core dump. Are you able to get a backtrace ?
[16:20] <cando_> with gdb?
[16:20] <cando_> ok
[16:20] <smspillaz> cheers
[16:20] <cando_> trying
[16:23] <jcastro> didrocks: I tried to link it and I get some broken search box in launchpad that doesn't find his branch
[16:23] <didrocks> jcastro: I've done it, maybe a race?
[16:23] <jcastro> that's probably why he didn't link it
[16:24] <didrocks> jcastro: I guested
[16:24] <jcastro> ah, cheers
[16:24] <didrocks> I guess* and commented
[16:24] <didrocks> weird, when I type to quick and compiz is hanging the display, it looses keypress events (like my last sentence)
[16:25] <jcastro> nice, so there's a new contributor, now oliver needs to fix his up and that'll be 2.
[16:25] <jcastro> woo
[16:28] <didrocks> :)
[16:29] <aruiz> tedg, btw, I don't know if you've noticed that gvim doesn't export the menu data (though it hides its main menu)
[16:34] <cando_> smspillaz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/568804/
[16:35] <smspillaz> thx
[16:37] <smspillaz> cando_: seems to be a crash in the launcher
[16:37] <smspillaz> that's probably something for DBO to handle ... although he just left ..
[16:37] <cando_> smspillaz, yeah sorry..i've just seen it too..
[16:37] <cando_> i thought it was compiz...
[16:37] <smspillaz> cando_: yeah, the process that crashes is compiz since that hosts the launcher
[16:38] <tedg> aruiz, Hmm, it does for me...
[16:38] <smspillaz> cando_: you said you were compiling unity right? and it crashes ?
[16:38] <tedg> Though, I get no shortcuts... which in a way makes sense.
[16:38] <aruiz> tedg, hmmm
[16:39] <cando_> smspillaz, i can't build it....http://pastebin.com/NDNdaum0
[16:39] <smspillaz> MacSlow: ^
[16:39] <smspillaz> MacSlow: did something not get pushed ?
[16:39] <cando_> smspillaz, anyway, thanks:)
[16:40] <smspillaz> cando_: try updating nux and unity
[16:40] <cando_> nux it's updated and builds....unity it's updated and failed to build....
[16:40] <smspillaz> try doing a make clean
[16:40] <cando_> yeah
[16:41] <kenvandine> aruiz, ok, i got the lo-menubar installed
[16:41] <kenvandine> and i see it listed in the extension manager
[16:41] <kenvandine> oh... LO is blacklisted in appmenu isn't it?
[16:42] <cando_> smspillaz, nope..same error...maybe i'm doing wrong with same env variables and unity doens't find last nux...
[16:43] <aruiz> kenvandine, uh? not that I'm aware of
[16:43] <kenvandine> oh, openoffice was black listed in indicator-appmenu
[16:43] <kenvandine> humm
[16:43] <kenvandine> not getting the appmenu menus
[16:44] <aruiz> eeks
[16:44] <smspillaz> DBO: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/568804/ look familiar to you?
[16:44] <aruiz> kenvandine, are you on that main application with no documents at all?
[16:44] <kenvandine> yes
[16:44] <aruiz> kenvandine, the one after the splash?
[16:44] <aruiz> hah
[16:44] <aruiz> it doesn't work for that window
[16:44] <kenvandine> :)
[16:44] <kenvandine> ok
[16:44] <aruiz> open a document
[16:45] <cando_> smspillaz, i think i got it...my bad...
[16:45] <aruiz> kenvandine, for some reason that window doesn't fire the event I'm subscribed to
[16:45] <aruiz> kenvandine, if you open a document from the file browser or create a new one it should work fine
[16:46] <MacSlow> smspillaz, cando_: looking...
[16:46] <kenvandine> aruiz, no... crashing
[16:46] <MacSlow> smspillaz, cando_: that's not looking right...
[16:46] <kenvandine> creating a new document or opening an existing one crashes libreoffice
[16:46] <kenvandine> ** (soffice:10196): DEBUG: not present
[16:46] <kenvandine> ** (soffice:10196): DEBUG: /com/canonical/menu/94371910
[16:47] <kenvandine> is all the output i get
[16:47] <cando_> MacSlow, maybe i'm doing something wrong..
[16:47] <kenvandine> aruiz, ^^
[16:47] <aruiz> kenvandine, and it crashes?
[16:47] <kenvandine> yup
[16:47] <kenvandine> well, the window flickers for a second and goes away
[16:47] <aruiz> ooookay...
[16:47]  * aruiz has a look
[16:47] <MacSlow> cando_, you're nux looks to be out of date
[16:47] <kenvandine> note this is running from the installed package
[16:47] <MacSlow> cando_, did you pull today?
[16:47] <kenvandine> aruiz, is there a way to get more debugging info?
[16:48]  * kenvandine knows nothing about libreoffice
[16:48] <aruiz> kenvandine, are you in a 64bit machine by any chance?
[16:48] <kenvandine> yes
[16:48] <aruiz> mmm
[16:48] <aruiz> never actually tested it there
[16:48] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:48] <aruiz> okay
[16:48] <MacSlow> cando_, your nux should be at rev 222 or so
[16:48] <kenvandine> well i have a basic package created
[16:48] <kenvandine> need to clean it up a bit before uploading it anywhere
[16:48] <cando_> MacSlow, yep....btw i'm trying again...just a moment...
[16:49] <aruiz> kenvandine, to debug, do gdb /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin
[16:49] <kenvandine> ok
[16:49] <MacSlow> cando_, rev 228 is current
[16:49] <aruiz> kenvandine, installing libreoffice-gdb might help
[16:50] <kenvandine> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[16:50] <kenvandine> 0x00007fffecd85072 in g_atomic_int_exchange_and_add ()
[16:50] <kenvandine>    from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[16:51] <aruiz> backtrace?
[16:51] <kenvandine> i can try to get more info later, better bt with debug packages after lunch
[16:51] <kenvandine> aruiz, want the backtrace i have now without the debug packages?
[16:51] <aruiz> kenvandine, my stuff has the debug information
[16:52] <kenvandine> aruiz, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/568815/
[16:52] <kenvandine> it should be stripped in the package
[16:52] <kenvandine> so probably not :)
[16:52] <kenvandine> i gotta run to lunch though, bbiab
[16:52] <aruiz> uh wow
[16:52] <aruiz> it happens on dbusmenu_server_set_root
[16:53] <kenvandine> tedg's fault
[16:53] <kenvandine> :-D
[16:53]  * kenvandine hides
[16:53] <kenvandine> ok, i am really outta here now
[16:53] <kenvandine> bbiab
[16:53] <aruiz> bye
[16:53] <aruiz> I guess I'll need to setup a 64 bit host
[16:53] <aruiz> damn :)
[16:54] <cando_> MacSlow, yes i've 228...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallationGuideFromSource but i install unity in /usr/local not /opt/unity...maybe this is the problem?
[16:58] <MacSlow> cando_, hm... where does your $PKG_CONFIG_PATH point to?
[16:58] <MacSlow> cando_, if not set it'll try to grab from /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[17:01] <MacSlow> cando_, if you install it "locally" you can use http://paste.ubuntu.com/568818 to temporarily set your env-vars accordingly
[17:01] <MacSlow> cando_, I use that all the time because during development I don't want to do any "sudo make install"s
[17:02] <MacSlow> cando_, if I mess up I can easily clean up with out blowing up system-wide installed stuff
[17:17] <aruiz> czajkowski, that was fast
[17:17] <aruiz> :-)
[17:17] <czajkowski> aruiz: I do read your blog
[17:17] <aruiz> heh
[17:18] <czajkowski> aruiz: and for the most part you do make sense
[17:18] <aruiz> czajkowski, :-)
[17:18] <jcastro> heh
[17:18] <jcastro> aruiz: are you on 2d or 10.10 in that screenshot?
[17:19] <aruiz> no, 2D on 11.04
[17:19] <aruiz> jcastro, blame nvidia
[17:19] <jcastro> heh
[17:19] <czajkowski> nvidia has a lot to answer for !
[17:19] <aruiz> :-)
[17:19] <aruiz> and AMD too
[17:24] <and471> ronoc, hey, don't know if you remember me but I got libindicate working with vala now
[17:24] <and471> ronoc, (I was having trouble with the vapi files)
[17:24] <and471> ronoc, anyway I can now get soundmenu support
[17:25] <ronoc> and471, ah very good
[17:25] <ronoc> and471, working okay ?
[17:25] <and471> ronoc, nearly
[17:25] <and471> one issue so far
[17:25] <and471> ronoc, the soundmenu play/pause button doesn't change to the pause icon, when a track is playing
[17:26] <and471> ronoc, can you remember which property this is?
[17:26] <cando_> MacSlow, smspillaz , ok fixed...i made some mistakes with local/package install
[17:26] <cando_> thanks for your help
[17:26] <ronoc> and471, the playbackstatus in the metadata hash property on the player interface
[17:28] <and471> ronoc, so http://www.mpris.org/2.1/spec/Player_Node.html#Enum:Playback_Status ?
[17:30] <and471> ronoc, hmm, that is strange, mine seems to be working (it has the same as banshee)
[17:30] <and471> ronoc, maybe it is the dbus propertieschanged signal?
[17:30] <and471> I may need to emit that manually..
[17:30] <and471> I will look at xnoise to see if they do anything special
[17:30] <and471> bbiab
[17:32] <nmarques> kenvandine, ping... E: xchat-indicator 64bit-portability-issue indicator.c:173 - is it worth to submit a patch to fix it ?
[17:33] <ronoc> and471, is the property-changed signal being sent ?
[17:37] <ronoc> Everybody don't do a Natty upgrade at the mo, there is a pending libc issue ...
[17:37] <ronoc> and471, watch for the signal with dbus-monitor
[17:37] <ronoc> quick way of knowing if its going out of not
[17:38] <ronoc> or not even
[17:45] <and471> ronoc, thanks for that, I can now see it isn't being sent out
[17:48] <ronoc> kenvandine, is it okay to leave out the a11y stuff until I get to talk to Luke on Monday morning
[17:48] <ronoc> kenvandine, I have a question or two about the merge
[17:50] <and471> ronoc, ah it seems I have to do a connection.emit_signal(...
[17:50] <ronoc> and471, aha haven't wrote a server in vala yet ...
[18:01] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, is gwibber supposed to allow right click on links in feeds?
[18:04] <lamlex> are we still waiting on nvidia drivers?
[18:10] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, no
[18:10] <kenvandine> ronoc, sure
[18:10] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, k thx
[18:11] <ronoc> kenvandine, will release again early week if needed
[18:11] <kenvandine> sure
[18:12] <bcurtiswx> whats the point of the unity fade-in ? it's kind of annoying
[18:15] <ronoc> kenvandine, -> https://launchpad.net/indicator-sound/third/0.6.0
[18:15] <danyR> bcurtiswx: I've the same question. I can't really understand what's the interaction here, or what's it should be doing. either way, it isn't consistent. sometime works, other times just locks my launcher (it doesn't autohide) _S
[18:15] <kenvandine> thx
[18:15] <danyR> confused.
[18:15] <ronoc> np's
[18:16] <ronoc> kenvandine, let me know how it goes, will stay logged in
[18:16] <kenvandine> ok
[18:16] <lamlex> DBO: talk about the launcher fade in :P
[18:16] <ronoc> kenvandine, you will need to test with skype
[18:16] <ronoc> kenvandine, i need to patch mumble next week
[18:16] <DBO> lamlex, what about it?
[18:17] <lamlex> bcurtiswx: whats the point of the unity fade-in ? it's kind of annoying
[18:17] <DBO> lamlex, I agree
[18:17] <DBO> dont ask me
[18:17] <DBO> he needs to poke John Lea
[18:17] <lamlex> that was why I said :P
[18:17] <lamlex> not my clever use of emoticons
[18:17] <lamlex> note
[18:18]  * bcurtiswx wonders who John Lea is
[18:18] <DBO> bcurtiswx, the designer responsible for this abomination of an autohide behavior
[18:18]  * bcurtiswx will hold you to your word "abomination" :P
[18:19] <vish> hmm i wonder why lamalex  lost an "a" ;p
[18:19] <bcurtiswx> whats his nick?
[18:20] <danyR> is there already any app supporting emblems, progress trough icon in the archive? would like to try it out :)
[18:20] <bcurtiswx> progress through icon in a launcher?
[18:21] <om26er> danyR, kenvandine worked for xchat/-gnome support to show pending messages count
[18:21] <bcurtiswx> danyR, he also added the progress bar to the empathy launcher on file transfers
[18:21] <kenvandine> yup
[18:22] <danyR> kenvandine: already released?
[18:22] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine is a programming machINE
[18:22] <kenvandine> danyR, yeah, in natty already
[18:22]  * danyR goes and installs xchat-gnome, auto sends file to itself
[18:22] <kenvandine> and i've done evolution as well
[18:22] <kenvandine> but it isn't working for some reason
[18:23] <danyR> *himself
[18:23] <kenvandine> danyR,you need xchat-gnome-indicator as well
[18:23] <kenvandine> ronoc, are the 3 bugs listed on the 0.6.0 release page fixed in this release?
[18:23] <kenvandine> 2 of them are still marked as in progress
[18:25] <kenvandine> nmarques, patches welcome :)
[18:30] <danyR> sending a file to myself is too fast for me to be able to see the progress. dig the new notifications, though
[18:33] <kenvandine> :)
[18:33] <kenvandine> danyR, use a bigger file :)
[18:33] <kenvandine> i used isos for testing
[18:35] <kenvandine> ronoc, that voip stuff in the sound menu is sweet!
[18:37] <danyR_> ups, compiz crashed. any idea on how to get my display number from a VT (for compiz --replace)
[18:37] <kenvandine> DISPLAY=:0.0 compiz --replace
[18:38] <om26er> i read in a bug report 'super' key will open dash, but atm it shows the launcher is that suppose to change?
[18:38] <danyR_> kenvandine: I tried something similar, but it isnt working. my X is running on VT 8
[18:46] <ubuntu__> so, could I get a ping?
[18:56] <ronoc> kenvandine, first question yup,
[19:01] <bcurtiswx> voip in sound menu?
[19:02] <bcurtiswx> sound preferences doesn't work for me
[19:03] <ronoc> kenvandine, oh
[19:03] <ronoc> kenvandine, sorry bcurtiswx really ?
[19:04] <ronoc> bcurtiswx, which the menu item doesn't bring up the g-v-c
[19:05] <bcurtiswx> yeah the sound icon, going to sound preferences does nothing, whats the terminal command to bring that window up.. could be an issue i can fix
[19:05] <bcurtiswx> ronoc, ^^
[19:05] <ronoc> bcurtiswx, gnome-volume-control
[19:05] <ronoc> weird
[19:08] <bcurtiswx> found the problem
[19:08] <bcurtiswx> had a gnome3 package still installed
[19:08] <bcurtiswx> gnome-media
[19:08] <bcurtiswx> got that fixed
[20:21] <nmarques> tedg, LP#721491
[20:29] <jcastro> If you're on natty right now please don't upgrade
[20:29] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/721469
[20:29] <jcastro> FYI
[20:29] <spikeb> thanks for the info
[20:54] <rr0hit> Is it OK if I mark bug 721447 as bitesize bug ?
[21:36] <tareth> DBO, I have something for you!
[21:39] <tareth> DBO, https://code.launchpad.net/~mrasmus/unity/launcher-action-state-work/+merge/50398
[21:40] <DBO> ooooooooooo
[21:40] <DBO> tareth, you got me a pony!
[21:40] <DBO> just what I always wanted
[21:41] <tareth> It's a pretty unusual pony though
[21:41] <DBO> does it do one trick?
[21:42] <tareth> Yes. But I'll let that be a surprise... :)
[21:43] <DBO> will review shortly
[21:43] <tareth> Okay!