[01:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: If I'm doing <double> to <qreal> changes to fix armel FTBFS, basically if it builds, it's fixed, right?
[01:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes
[01:13] <ScottK> OK.
[01:13] <ScottK> Cool.
[03:56] <ecinx> Hello, I need help instaling an application i've  spent over 9 hours tyring to install .
[03:56] <ecinx> http://pastebin.com/1Uz4tQEY
[03:56] <ecinx> altera_installer_gui: cannot connect to X server :0 
[04:07] <tsimpson> ecinx: you don't use sudo with GUI apps, use kdesudo
[04:08] <ecinx> oh
[04:08] <ecinx> let me try that
[04:09] <ecinx> does that look right?
[04:09] <ecinx> kdesudo sh ./10.1sp1_quartus_free_linuxx.sh
[04:10] <tsimpson> yeah
[04:12] <ecinx> it's starting, in a window with an X on the top left, lookes good
[04:15] <ecinx> thanks tsimpson , a screen came up 
[04:16] <ecinx> but the destination directory says '  /root/altera/10.1 is that good?
[04:16] <ecinx> the ' /root/ ' part?
[04:16] <tsimpson> depends what it's doing and what you want it to do
[04:16] <tsimpson> /root is root's home
[04:17] <tsimpson> I'd guess you don't need to be root to launch whatever it is,
[04:17] <ecinx> i don't know if that sounds right though.. I'm new in linux, but I want to be able to work with the program using my username
[04:17] <tsimpson> so just run the script normally
[04:17] <ecinx> okay
[04:18] <ecinx> on secon thought space req is 5.6g space available is 8.3g
[04:19] <ecinx> my home has about 40g+ free i would rather instal it there
[04:29] <ScottK> Riddell, apachelogger: I think I fixed the sip problem in bindings, but then http://paste.ubuntu.com/568591/ happened.
[04:29] <ScottK> I'm pushing to bzr and going to bed, so please have a look.
[04:36] <ecinx> it's installing i  installed it into /home/apps/altera apps being a newly created folder since /home/ has over 50gb free while / has only 8gb free and the install is 6gb
[04:38] <tsimpson> ScottK: line 3886
[04:44] <ScottK> tsimpson: My 3886 says "In file included from /usr/include/python2.7/Python.h:8:0,"
[04:44] <ScottK> ?
[04:44] <tsimpson> yeah, I didn't mean that line, then I lost the line I did mean
[04:45] <tsimpson> lines 5223 & 5224
[04:45] <tsimpson> make[3]: *** [CMakeFiles/python_module_PyKDE4_kdeui.dir/sip/kdeui/sipkdeuipart3.o] Error 1
[04:45] <tsimpson> make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[04:46] <tsimpson> it's much easier to see those when you don't use -j with make
[04:46] <vorian> nixternal ping-a-ling
[04:47] <ScottK> Yesh.
[04:47] <ScottK> tsimpson: Thanks.
[04:47] <tsimpson> no problem :)
[04:47] <ScottK> I guess that didn't work on fixing sip.
[04:47] <ScottK> Hard to believe it went on for another 11,000 lines.
[04:48] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:48] <ScottK> Oh, said that already.
[04:48] <ScottK> Another sign I should be going to sleep.
[04:48] <ScottK> Good night.
[04:52] <ecinx> I've successfuly installed it, It ran after the installation finish but after i closed it i don't know how to open it again. I ran quartus and alt f2 and typed 'quartus' in the terminal and it didn't run
[04:54] <tsimpson> ecinx: the system doesn't know where to find it, you need to give the full path
[04:55] <tsimpson> or edit the applications menu by right-clicking the launcher icon and choosing "Menu Editor", then you can create a link in there
[04:56] <ecinx> hmm nice tip
[04:56] <ecinx> but i dont even know where the app is
[04:57] <ecinx> the directory is full of stuff and folders
[04:58] <ecinx> i think i found it, wiht google
[05:36] <nixternal> vorian: pong
[05:36] <vorian> nixternal: i have ubuntu politics
[05:36] <vorian> hate*
[05:37] <vorian> HATE!
[05:37] <maco> you are who you are because of nobody else? :P
[05:37] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:37] <nixternal> maco: that was a good one
[05:37]  * nixternal jots that one down
[05:37] <vorian> when did we start censoring?
[05:38] <vorian> they pulled my damn feed off the planet
[05:38] <nixternal> vorian: that's why I chilled from the politics side. i am going to do the me side and that's it. i want to start contributing again, but differently than before. i let myself get way to immersed in the political side and it just wore me out
[05:38] <vorian> and the one CC member that is awake will not respond to me
[05:39] <vorian> nixternal: i can understand that
[05:39] <nixternal> i wouldn't expect them to until after all of them have had time to review
[05:39] <vorian> fuck the planet
[05:39] <nixternal> i noticed like 3 changes to your blog in lp:~planet-ubuntu in the past 24 hours
[05:39] <maco> oi oi, language, mate!
[05:40] <vorian> It's mostly wanna be's anymore (on the planet)
[05:40] <vorian> and sorry maco 
[05:40] <nixternal> i have to agree that the latest post doesn't belong on the planet. that's why i split my posts now
[05:40] <nixternal> though i haven't yet for ubuntu, because i don't want to tag everything i think would be good for the planet with ubuntu
[05:41] <maco> vorian: please learn to spell "poseur"
[05:41] <nixternal> kde is different, because i only have my kde tags posted there. they don't want to read about my thunderbird ftw post or ubuntu this or that
[05:41] <nixternal> it pisses the arch linux turds off
[05:41] <vorian> Well, it was aimed at matthew.  he's such a tool
[05:41] <maco> i just looked at your twitter and saw you calling matthew a manequin over and over
[05:41] <vorian> maco: my twitter?
[05:41] <maco> yes where you linked to your blog
[05:41] <nixternal> maco: if you are a skater or have been a skater, it is poser and will always be poser, because they don't believe in adding the 'u' to stuff
[05:42] <maco> nixternal: i just assumed that was punk kids being crappy spellers
[05:42] <vorian> ah
[05:42] <vorian> whoops
[05:42] <maco> (and i don't mean that in the fire-engine-red or electric-blue hair sense :P)
[05:42] <valorie> there is a diff between "posers" and "poseurs"
[05:43] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:43] <vorian> haha
[05:43] <vorian> this is why i <3 kubuntu
[05:43] <nixternal> yeah, posers are people who do 3d rendering
[05:43] <valorie> rofl
[05:43] <nixternal> unless of course you are a sk8r
[05:44] <vorian> geeze, mike is not responding at all to my /queries
[05:45] <maco> nixternal: i used to have fire-engine-red hair
[05:46] <nixternal> i can't picture you with that
[05:46] <nixternal> time to play some golf i think. i have messed with .htaccess until i am blue in the face tonight
[05:47] <vorian> nixternal: aren't you on the CC now?
[05:48] <maco> vorian: he quit
[05:48] <vorian> hrm
[05:48] <maco> i believe persia was his replacement
[05:48] <vorian> maco: just for the fun of it, will you see if mike responds to you?
[05:48] <maco> mike who?
[05:48] <vorian> ah, persia
[05:49] <vorian> mike == technoviking
[05:49] <vorian> i think he's just avoiding answering any questions
[05:49] <maco> oh that mike
[05:50] <maco> no answer
[05:50] <vorian> Riddell: what every happens - please don't kick me out of kubuntu-members
[05:50] <vorian> thanks for trying maco 
[05:57] <ecinx> anyone knows how to fix the way the fonts look on maverick 10.10 
[06:01] <ecinx> i think i fixed it, i hope
[11:17] <apachelogger> hm
[11:18] <apachelogger> ulysses++
[11:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's ulysses done?
[11:21] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I80pc9jZ_t8
[11:35] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: implicit thumb flag in phonon's rules can be dropped I presume?
[11:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[11:36] <Tm_T> ScottK: ppc images in need of testing this weekend?
[11:36] <apachelogger> if only it were in bzr ^^
[11:54]  * apachelogger hugs Tm_T
[12:47] <ScottK> Tm_T: No.  Not yet.
[12:57] <Tm_T> ScottK: ok thanks (:
[13:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will do ... at conf.kde.in along with Riddell and some other minions k?
[13:02] <ScottK> 10.04.2 is done.
[13:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do what?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the app
[13:02] <apachelogger> k
[13:03] <Riddell> ScottK: see #kubuntu for lucid->maverick upgrade problem, we need to get an updated kdepim into maverick
[13:03] <shadeslayer> schedule app
[13:03] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m44PvFs074U
[13:04] <ScottK> Riddell: OK, but I've got some other stuff I need to get done first.
[13:19] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: hey i'll not be able to come to conf.kde.in :( college internals. will there be any video log uploaded on internet?
[13:24] <shadeslayer> idk
[13:24] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: dude, get internals postponed?
[13:31] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: its exams mate. :( if i'll not give that exam i'll loose my credits and hence my agregate will be affected :(
[13:32] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: i'm not saying don't give them, they're internals right? you can request the college to take them seprately for you at a later date :)
[13:32] <shadeslayer> any how, sorry to hear that it's not working out for you :(
[13:32] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: i'll try ;/
[13:32] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:33] <apachelogger> <-- kernel build master
[13:34] <shadeslayer> aaaaannnnddd ... they *finally* released GTK3
[13:34] <apachelogger> like they actually changed anything
[13:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bumped so version and added " Hey we released GTK3 after a bazillion years " to the changelog
[13:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you get whoever it is in #kubuntu to file a bug so we have something to hang the SRU verification on.
[13:37] <Riddell> ScottK: that's not "whoever" that's dfaure, the more elite KDE coder ever!
[13:38] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Whoever files it, we'll need a bug.
[13:38] <Riddell> ScottK: how to file the bug such that it'll be found again?
[13:38] <ScottK> Give me the bug number and I'll remember it.
 ScottK: that's not "whoever" that's dfaure, the more elite KDE coder ever!
[13:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: more like the most elite koder with a 1000 clones of himself
[13:43] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 721269
[13:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:50] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04.2-release
[14:19] <apachelogger> this channel is very boring today :/
[14:19] <apachelogger> kubotu_: order coffee
[14:19]  * kubotu_ slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.
[14:19] <apachelogger> kubotu_: why do you have a suffix?
[14:19] <apachelogger> kubotu_: rename kubotu
[14:19] <apachelogger> kubotu_: what was that command again?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: possibly make it reconnect
[14:22] <apachelogger> well
[14:22] <apachelogger> there was a dedicated cmd for that -.-
[14:22] <apachelogger> kubotu_: save
[14:22] <kubotu_> can do!
[14:22] <apachelogger> kubotu_: restart
[14:23] <shadeslayer> toldya
[14:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: some of us have code to write! :)
[14:25] <shadeslayer> and some of us have exams once again
[14:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what should that scheduling app do btw?
[14:26] <apachelogger> show the schedule
[14:26] <apachelogger> ultimately hooked up with launchpad so that one can list sessions that one is subscribed to
[14:26] <apachelogger> (or subscribe to new ones for that matter)
[14:27] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[14:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so show the sessions on a calendar ( i wonder if kontact has kparts to do this ), API calls to subscribe etc
[14:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I would avoid KDE api to keep it portable for e.g. maemo ;)
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ can we do that during conf.kde.in ?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[14:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also reduces KDE Deps, so can be installed without taking up alot of disk space
[14:30] <apachelogger> http://willthompson.co.uk/sojourner/
[14:30] <apachelogger> something like that
[14:31] <shadeslayer> *click*
[14:31] <apachelogger> just with actual user experience and not done in pyth0rn ;)
[14:31] <apachelogger> calendar view should help with that
[14:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uh .. what's calendar view?
[14:32] <apachelogger> a view of a calendar :P
[14:32] <shadeslayer> i mean ... is it a Qt class?'
[14:33] <apachelogger> unlikely
[14:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should use QML :P
[14:33] <shadeslayer> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/richtext-calendar.html
[14:33] <apachelogger> otherwise you have problems with deployment to android ;)
[14:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, i know, i'm sure we will have a code sprint wrt QML at conf.kde.in
[14:34] <shadeslayer> so i guess we can pitch that idea and come up with something
[14:34] <apachelogger> ewww
[14:34] <apachelogger> that example is 
[14:34] <apachelogger> ...
[14:34] <apachelogger> brrr
[14:34] <apachelogger> in need of grantlee :D
[14:34] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: something is broken with our arm builders
[15:44] <apachelogger> they constantly do ccache stuff...
[15:44] <apachelogger> and with a kernel build that then results in the kernel wanting to build stuff with ccache it would seem
[15:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  Please fix.
[15:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: if only I knew how :S
[15:51] <eMyller> 'lo again people
[15:52] <eMyller> anyone seen sheytan or ofirk these days?
[15:52] <eMyller> those guys are gone
[15:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Does export CCACHE_DISABLE=1 help any?
[15:52] <apachelogger> might
[15:52]  * apachelogger wonders why it defaults to ccache to begin with
[15:53] <apachelogger> oh
[15:53] <apachelogger> hoooray
[15:53] <apachelogger> bufferclass_ti.ko:
[15:53] <apachelogger> Running module version sanity check.
[16:13] <bambee> hi
[17:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think the old pbuilder is just crap
[17:05] <ScottK> Could be.
[17:17] <rbelem> Riddell, ping
[17:26] <Riddell> hi rbelem 
[17:27] <rbelem> Riddell, i updated the patch http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/6308/
[17:28] <rbelem> Riddell, when samba is not installed it shows a message and a buttom in the place of the addshare form
[17:28] <apachelogger_> http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/6308/s/612/  I might note that the dropdown looks funny
[17:29] <rbelem> Riddell, but kpackagekit is not installing the package
[17:29] <rbelem> apachelogger_, :-D
[17:29] <rbelem> Riddell, i call it but it is not working
[17:29] <rbelem> Riddell, do you have a clue?
[17:30] <rbelem> apachelogger_, but is it looking nice?
[17:31] <apachelogger_> no, it looks funny
[17:31] <rbelem> apachelogger_, hum... funny means that i should replace the dropdown?
[17:32] <Riddell> the dropdown looks fine to me
[17:32] <apachelogger_> well
[17:33] <apachelogger_> it is not so much the dropdown as the thing as a whole
[17:33] <Riddell> rbelem: "private Q_SLOTS:"  what's Q_SLOTS?
[17:33] <apachelogger_> rbelem: it should look like the local permissions tab I suppose
[17:34] <apachelogger_> also using same terminology for that matter
[17:34] <rbelem> Riddell, afiestas asked me to do that
[17:34] <apachelogger_> Riddell: the 3rdparty-safe kind of slots
[17:34] <apachelogger_> Q_SLOTS == slots, except that former can be used in a context where another library wants to use the slots keyword
[17:35] <apachelogger_> therefore libraries should always use Q_SLOTS and Q_SIGNALS
[17:35] <Riddell> pesky other libraries stealing Qt keywords
[17:35]  * rbelem checking the permissions tab
[17:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, hum... there is a advance permission dialog
[17:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, that looks nice
[17:36] <apachelogger> oh gawd
[17:36] <apachelogger> no
[17:37] <apachelogger> rbelem: not by default
[17:37] <apachelogger> that makes my head spin and I am not even a regular user :P
[17:37] <rbelem> apachelogger, hahaha
[17:38] <apachelogger> rbelem: I would go for exactly the same as with the access permission default stuff ... i.e. dropdowns with 3 entries
[17:39] <apachelogger> rbelem: possibly even restrict yourself to the standard unix categories owner/group/world
[17:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, so it would be better to replace the words Deny, Full control and Read Only?
[17:39] <apachelogger> then have an advanced button
[17:39] <apachelogger> where you can give permission on user base and whatnot
[17:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, hum...
[17:40] <apachelogger> having by default a per-user setup will give headaches on a shared system with >1k users
[17:40] <apachelogger> loading all those settings and storing them will kill the dialog very much and make it unusable
[17:41]  * apachelogger wonders whatever happened to the ACL permission ui in KDE
[17:42] <apachelogger> or do we not build with ACL support anymore?
[17:42] <apachelogger> ah
[17:42] <apachelogger> nvm
[17:42] <apachelogger> one needs to mount the partitions with ACL enabled
[17:42]  * apachelogger forgot about that detail ^^
[17:43]  * rbelem is thinking how the ui would look
[17:43] <apachelogger> rbelem: if you enable acl for a partiton and remount you should get yet another dialog option for the ACL
[17:43] <apachelogger> that allows per-user permissions IIRC
[17:43] <apachelogger> so you might want to clone that ui for the advanced thingy
[17:44]  * apachelogger thinks that the local file permissions should simply be made more abstract and reused by the share tab ;)
[17:44] <apachelogger> anyhow
[17:44] <apachelogger> need to pack and leave for train
[17:45] <rbelem> thx apachelogger :-)
[17:45] <rbelem> Riddell, can we go for now with the current ui? :-D
[17:46] <Riddell> rbelem: yes I think we should
[17:46] <Riddell> just compiling it now to check the packagekit stuff
[17:46] <rbelem> sweet :-D
[17:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please add a test case to bug 721269
[18:06] <Riddell> pesky other libraries stealing Qt keywordsmethod call sender=:1.2549 -> dest=org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon serial=145 path=/org/freedesktop/PackageKit; interface=org.freedesktop.PackageKit.Modify; member=InstallPackageNames string "No such method 'InstallPackageNames' in interface 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit.Modify' at object path '/org/freedesktop/PackageKit' (signature 'iasas')"
[18:06] <Riddell> hmm
[18:06] <Riddell> rbelem: it's on the sessionBus not the systemBug
[18:06] <Riddell> rbelem: it's on the sessionBus not the systemBus
[18:06] <Riddell> but there's still something wrong with the method arguments
[18:07] <rbelem> Riddell, :-(
[18:07] <rbelem> Riddell, have you seen danti?
[18:09] <Riddell> he's moving country I believe
[18:11] <ximion> Riddell: yes, he is... very sad for Apper, cause the development slowed down ;)
[18:11] <rbelem> Riddell, wow! where is he going?
[18:12] <Riddell> I don't know
[18:13] <ScottK> Odd that both he and JonTheEchnida vanished at the same time.
[18:13] <ScottK> Maybe they met to have a packagement shootout and canceled each other out?
[18:17] <rbelem> brb
[18:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: What is this NODM stuff?
[18:20] <Quintasan> on Todo?
[18:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's a login manager for kubuntu mobile
[18:20] <Quintasan> Oh
[18:20] <Riddell> it logs you in without and dialogue or whatever
[18:21] <Riddell> it should go onto the mobile images once launchpad merge the task change
[18:38] <Riddell> rbelem: meh, i can't work out
[18:39] <Riddell> it's something to do with the qstringlist being right
[18:39] <Riddell> QStringList interaction  that's not right according to
[18:39] <Riddell> qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon /org/freedesktop/PackageKit
[18:39] <Riddell> it should be a list
[18:39] <Riddell> but even then it doesn't work
[18:39] <Riddell> patch is good to ship once that's sorted
[18:39] <Riddell> ask on #kde-devel I guess, they should know
[18:39]  * Riddell out for a bit
[18:41] <debfx> shadeslayer: due to your dcmtk upload some packages are uninstallable: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libdcmtk1
[18:42] <debfx> a rebuild should fix them
[18:52] <ScottK> Ohhhh.  I've seen this exact problem: http://svn.reviewboard.kde.org/r/6513/
[18:53] <bambee> I missed something of "remember authorization" in polkit-kde-agent does not work ?
[18:53] <bambee> s/of/or/
[18:53] <kubotu> bambee meant: "I missed something or "remember authorization" in polkit-kde-agent does not work ?"
[18:53] <bambee> kubotu: you won a cookie 
[18:54] <Quintasan> someone should really turn off this damn feature
[18:54] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for kubotu
[18:54]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to kubotu.
[19:11] <yofel> apachelogger: can you get kubotu back in #project-neon please?
[19:28] <Daskreech> What's the var for ~/.kde ?
[19:32] <yofel> Daskreech: KDEHOME I think, let me check
[19:32] <Daskreech> Thansk
[19:32] <Daskreech> thanks
[19:32] <bambee> Daskreech: KDEHOME
[19:32] <bambee> http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Environment_Variables#KDEHOME
[19:32] <yofel> xep, KDEHOME
[19:33] <Daskreech> Hmm
[19:33] <Daskreech> funky
[19:33] <bambee> in case of doubt techbase is your friend ;)
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> Shytlman started to do something like this at UDS-M in Belgium: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Titlebar+menu?content=138804
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> granted, he was actually trying to put the menu *in* the title bar, and not as a hover thing
[19:35] <ScottK> Heya JontheEchidna.
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> hi
[19:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did I ever discuss the backports-not-automatic spec and it's implications for application install/update managers
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> If you did, I don't recall
[19:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  Short version is that one will no longer automatically upgrade to a backports version.  One will have to ask for it.
[19:39] <ScottK> So there's a need to distinguish backports update candidates from regular updates for the user.
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> is this change being made at the APT level? (Any tech spec sheet?)
[19:39] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:39] <ScottK> It's in Natty now.
[19:40] <ScottK> Let me find the spec.
[19:40] <Daskreech> bambee: good point
[19:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-foundations-n-backports-notautomatic
[19:43] <bambee> Daskreech: techbase and api.kde.org both rock :D
[19:44] <yofel> ScottK: how do you see those from an apt-get point of view now? pinned?
[19:44] <ScottK> Riddell: pim and pim-runtime for Maverick uploaded.
[19:44] <ScottK> yofel: Yes.
[19:44] <yofel> ok
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> QApt/Muon already respect pins
[19:45] <ScottK> The big change is that apt has been fixed to correctly pull needed depdencies from the not automatic repository.
[19:45] <yofel> aaah, that's nice :)
[19:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes.  The real issue I think you might want to address is in Muon showing -updates and -backports differently to the user.
[19:46] <ScottK> It's possible a user could have updates to the same package in both and they should have some idea that -updates is fixes and -backports is new features with some incremental risk of regression.
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> If the package is pinned lower than the candidate version from the main repositories it will not be shown as upgradeable either
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> since in APT
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> 's eyes the pinning makes the NotAutomatic pocket packages not the candidate version
[19:48] <ScottK> This is where I don't really understand that details (you may want to talk to mvo).
[19:49] <ScottK> It's my understanding that both would be 'visible' fsvo visible.
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'll probably do that'
[19:49] <ScottK> He's got ideas on how to support it in Software Center.
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> If I understand the tech spec, the main issue is, as you said, to be able to show more experienced users that -backports updates are available if they want them
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> but currently Muon will respect the pinning and not offer the -backports packages for upgrades
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> so this is probably more of a new feature
[19:51] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:51] <ScottK> It'd be nice for users to be able to see the backports as a GHNS like option.
[19:51] <jjesse> deos
[19:51] <jjesse> doh
[19:52] <ScottK> Riddell: pim and pim-runtime for maverick uploaded.  Waiting for your test case and ubuntu-sru to accept.
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I'll put that on the feature list for Muon 1.2. I plan on redoing the GUI of the updater app entirely, as its currently just a stripped down version of Muon. The GUI could be made much more updater-centric
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> Ihttp://i.imgur.com/HKT2y.png <- a bunch of that stuff would not be useful for the average person updating their system
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/HKT2y.png
[19:54] <yofel> ScottK: who needs to be subscribed to sync requests again?
[19:55] <ScottK> yofel: ubuntu-archvie after they are approved by an ubunth-dev.  ubuntu-sponsors to get them approved.
[19:55] <yofel> thx
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[20:05] <jjesse> ok with today's daily on virtualbox i get pass the keyboard section of the install then the installer disappers
[20:05] <jjesse> also trying to report the bug fails as rekonq still crashes everytime i launch it on the live cd
[20:05] <jjesse> running today's daily amd 64
[20:11] <ScottK> Currently there's an eglibc issue on amd64 that's making all kinds of things crash.
[20:15] <jjesse> ah
[20:15] <jjesse> ok i guess i will wait still
[22:21] <debfx> yay, another armel+sip build failure: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/64675210/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.qgis_1.4.0%2B12730-5ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:23] <Quintasan> debfx: madness
[22:45] <apachelogger> kubotu: help config
[22:45] <kubotu> config module - bot configuration. usage: list, desc, get, set, unset, add, rm
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[22:45] <apachelogger> kubotu: config list irc
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[22:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: config get irc.join_channels
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[22:47] <apachelogger> config add #project-neon to irc.join_channels
[22:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: config add #project-neon to irc.join_channels
[22:47] <kubotu> irc.join_channels: #kubuntu-devel, #kubuntu-bunker, #ubuntustudio-devel, #kubuntu-offtopic, #thecoolkids, #kubuntu-playtime, #project-neon
[22:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: save
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[22:58] <ScottK> kubotu: roulette
[23:18] <yofel> apachelogger: thanks :)
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[23:19] <Quintasan> kubotu: order beer for apachelogger
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[23:21] <yofel> indeed