[00:00] <BUGabundo> 194 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[00:00] <BUGabundo> Need to get 163 MB of archives. After unpacking 2,114 kB will be used.
[00:00] <BUGabundo> we are pushing the boundries
[00:02] <penguin42> ?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> boundaries
[00:06] <Ohelig> yo
[00:06] <penguin42> indeed
[00:14] <FloridaGuy> This is probly an unsoprted ? but here it is.....kubuntu 10.10 maverick....kernel 2.6.38-020638rc5-generic....from ubuntu 11.04 ....on boot i get /proc/device-tree..can't find root......but everything is runing smooth and faster then the current 10.10 kernel
[00:16] <penguin42> FloridaGuy: I think there were some natty kernels out there specificalyl for testing on maverick
[00:17] <yofel> really? I only know the mainline kernels (which he seems to be using)
[00:19] <FloridaGuy> penguin42: this is where i got it from....   http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[00:19] <penguin42> yeh
[00:20] <penguin42> yofel: I seem to remember some a while ago
[00:20] <FloridaGuy> it says natty
[00:20] <FloridaGuy> works great
[00:21] <FloridaGuy> the /proc/device-tree...cant find root....isent hurting anything
[00:22] <yofel> FloridaGuy: that's not exacly the natty kernel, but the official linux kernels with the natty configuration and without ubuntu patches. Usually used for bug testing.
[00:22] <yofel> they are the easiest way to get newer kernels on your system though
[00:22] <BUGabundo> humm
[00:23] <BUGabundo> ore xorg updates
[00:23] <yofel> penguin42: there is a backport of the maverick kernels for lucid, but I haven't seen others
[00:23] <BUGabundo> .....should I do those
[00:23] <BUGabundo> .....
[00:23] <FloridaGuy> so the proc thing is a bug
[00:23] <yofel> BUGabundo: todays X updates didn't break natty any more for me at  least (here on intel)
[00:24] <BUGabundo> nvidia with nouveua
[00:24] <BUGabundo> topic needs updating
[00:24] <BUGabundo> ikonia: ^^^
[00:24] <yofel> it does?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> the link to the ML is old
[00:25] <yofel> nouveau sadly isn't usable on my thinkpad, so I'm sticking to old X for now there
[01:27] <BUGabundo> night
[01:27] <penguin42> night BUGs
[03:35] <Yanks> you know ur motherboard has 250$ worth of gold in it?
[03:35] <Yanks> !ops
[03:35] <Yanks> im gangsta
[03:36] <Yanks> im gangsta
[03:40]  * psusi facepalms
[06:37] <xman> hi
[06:37] <xman> in ubuntu 11.04 ''Wayland will replace the X server (and Xorg) - ''
[06:37] <xman> is real?
[06:37] <bazhang> no
[06:38] <xman> so ubuntu11.04 will have gnome ?
[06:38] <bazhang> correct. wayland has nothing to do with gnome
[06:39] <xman> wayland is for unity ?
[06:40] <xman> ?
[07:12] <twager> !gnome
[07:13] <twager> !gnome 3
[07:13] <twager> !gnome3
[13:37] <gnomefreak> how do you remove items from the gnome bar? right clicking isnt working
[13:39] <robin0800> any one got shotwell problems?
[13:56] <penguin42> I think I used it yesterday and it was OK
[13:58] <robin0800> penguin42, thanks will reinstall as it seems to be an svg problem
[13:58] <penguin42> what happens?
[14:01] <robin0800> penguin42, it dosen't start and if run from terminal says svg wrong format and aborts but no crash and no crash report
[14:04] <robin0800> penguin42, tried to open svg with image viewer but that dosen't work either
[14:04] <penguin42> oh, no it's starting up fine and showing me my images
[14:07] <Punkoff> Looks like I've broken my Notify-OSD - I'm getting old 8.04-like popups instead of hover-able ones
[14:07] <robin0800> penguin42, I'll try today’s alternate cd
[14:09] <penguin42> Punkoff: Yeh, I get those on this machine
[14:10] <Punkoff> penguin42, did you solve that?
[14:11] <penguin42> no
[14:12] <Punkoff> sh#t, I have both netbook and desktop on natty, updating daily, and the netbook is just fine
[14:38] <gnomefreak> ok that was odd not to mention annoying as hell :(
[14:38] <gnomefreak> ok so how do i remove an icon from the gnome panel in unity?
[14:40] <gnomefreak> ok updates == bad atm it will remove unity, ubuntu-desktop and all the indicator apps
[14:42] <gnomefreak> python-appindicator is the reason indicator-* will be removed
[14:46] <gnomefreak> ok how do you remove icons from unity app bar?
[14:46] <Punkoff> rightclick -> uncheck the checkbox
[14:46] <Punkoff> "keep in launcher" one
[14:53] <penguin42> it's almost a double negative isn't it
[14:59] <Punkoff> penguin42, uncheck the checked checkbox that you checked before then
[14:59] <penguin42> that's right, unless you ticked the tickbox
[15:00] <ipv5> check please
[15:39] <coz_> anyone else getting duplicat internet connection symbols in indicator applet?
[15:51] <jml> coz_: I have duplicate monitor symbols
[15:51] <coz_> jml,   mm  must be a glitch in the indiactor applet
[16:03] <genii-around> Hm. remove with purge on xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, nouveau-firmware, and libdrm-nouveau1a still leaves it loading at boot somehow
[16:55] <weld> hello, can someone help me to debug my xorg? It seems for some reason the nouveau fails http://paste.ubuntu.com/568813/ unity and kde with desktop effects used to work fine until a week or two ago with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental installed.
[16:59] <weld> what i get from the Xorg log is that the vesa driver gets used because the nouveau driver fails
[17:00] <penguin42> looks to me as if it was trying to look for a kernel drm driver and failed
[17:03] <weld> penguin42: i'm looking for some advice on how to track this problem properly and report a bug
[17:05] <weld> lspci: http://pastebin.com/NYiCs2Vvl
[17:05] <penguin42> weld: If you do a modprobe nouveau what do you get?
[17:06] <weld> penguin42: i can do modprobe and modprobe -r without trouble while on X, so nouveau doesn't seem to be in use
[17:17] <coz_> hey guys.. when creating a new panel ...dual monitors... I cant seem to alt drag it to the secondary monitor... another way ?
[17:25] <Volkodav> anybody has skype crash on start with this error after recent upgrade: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-deps.c: 622: _dl_map_object_deps: Assertion `nlist > 1' failed!
[17:29] <penguin42> Volkodav: It looks like other people are seeing that and it looks like http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=12454  (from a discussion on another channel)
[17:30] <Volkodav> yeah I saw that bug but it does not seem very much relevant
[17:30] <Volkodav> I'll try the patch though
[17:32] <penguin42> Volkodav: The answer seems to be downgrade libc
[17:33] <Volkodav> hmm
[17:34] <blueyed> Does nybody else have sound stuttering with amarok?
[17:35] <penguin42> blueyed: It occasionally stutters for me when other players don't - it's rare for me, but it's a fast box
[17:35] <blueyed> Also, I have a problem with cryptsetup during boot, where it does not find the "foo_unformatted" devide.
[17:35] <blueyed> penguin42: ok, would be the same then probably. It got better today, but has been really worse the last days.
[17:36] <penguin42> last couple of days amarok wouldn't play at all for me
[17:55] <blueyed> What other good audio players are there? Mainly for streaming currently.
[17:56] <coz_> Listen  ?
[17:56] <yofel> blueyed: tried a different phonon backend?
[17:56] <genii-around> VLC is pretty good al-around
[17:56] <blueyed> genii-around: yep, but it does not like this particular .pls file.
[17:56] <yofel> vlc is nice, but not really an amarok replacement
[17:58] <blueyed> yofel: ack. would be enough for streaming currently now. I have switched the backend from xine to vlc now.. ツ
[17:58] <blueyed> coz_: thanks for the tip - I do not have it installed, but will check in case of amarok/phonon keep failing.
[17:59] <blueyed> yofel: vlc backend just "stuttered" horribly, too.
[17:59] <coz_> cool
[17:59] <yofel> ah ^^ - try the gstreamer backend too, that's the new default at least, I use vlc too
[17:59] <yofel> :/
[18:02] <blueyed> at least amarok still crashes when changing backends.. now at GStreamer.
[18:02] <blueyed> still stutters.. now to Listen.
[18:08] <blueyed> lastfm app appears to work good, too.
[18:08] <blueyed> is only amarok and/or phonon affected by this?
[18:08] <blueyed> (listen still installs)
[18:10] <blueyed> Here's my mountall/cryptsetup bug btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/719563
[18:12] <blueyed> coz_: listen crashes on startup: TypeError: could not convert type int to gchararray required for parameter 2
[18:12] <coz_> yikes
[18:12] <blueyed> untu) "mountall: fatal error: cannot open /dev/mapper/crypthome_unformatted" [Undecided,New]
[18:13] <blueyed> sry
[18:13] <coz_> not sure what the issue is then
[18:14] <coz_> I have to break here but will be back a bit later
[18:21] <blueyed> Since I have weechat running on my server I cannot understand why people leave.. ;)
[18:21] <blueyed> bug report is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/listen/+bug/721419
[18:29] <blueyed> so, any other good players besides laggin' amarok and crashin' listen? ツ
[18:30] <IdleOne>  vlc, mplayer, smplayer, gnome-mplayer, amarok, rhythmbox, banshee, kaffeine, xmms, totem, totem-xine
[18:32] <blueyed> IdleOne: you have a nice list of favorites.. ;) vlc does not work(with this pls at least), the same for mplayer and reivates. next one to try would by rhythmbox then..
[18:32] <om26er> how can i check about how old my natty install is?
[18:32] <blueyed> reivates=derivates
[18:33] <blueyed> om26er: what do you mean with how old? uptime?
[18:33] <blueyed> last update?
[18:33] <om26er> blueyed, install date
[18:33] <blueyed> om26er: like you have installed it fresh?
[18:33] <om26er> yes
[18:34] <blueyed> om26er: You might look at the oldest file in /var/log then for example.
[18:34] <IdleOne> uname -a will show you install date of the running kernel
[18:34] <IdleOne> not sure how you would check install date of system
[18:35] <blueyed> om26er: given zsh, which you could install and use, this should work: ls -lU /var/log/**/*(Om)|head
[18:35] <blueyed> (in a shell of course)
[18:35] <Volkodav> blueyed: try qmmp - this puppy can play what all others can't
[18:37] <blueyed> Volkodav: sounds similar to vlc then.. ツ - I have been using it before.. IIRC it is a winamp clone, similar to xmms?! - will try.
[18:37] <Volkodav> not clone but yes looks like it
[18:37] <IdleOne> blueyed: that command gives me: ls: cannot access /var/log/**/*(Om): No such file or directory
[18:37] <blueyed> wow. archive is a fast moving target currently.. or.. my apt-cacher-ng is crashing..
[18:37] <Volkodav> plays wavepacks with tag support
[18:37] <blueyed> ..prolly both.
[18:38] <blueyed> IdleOne: try installing zsh first, and then use it.
[18:38] <blueyed> IdleOne: "sudo apt-get install zsh", "exec zsh" (in a shell)
[18:39] <blueyed> IdleOne: at least "(Om" is specific to zsh to sort my modification date, oldest first.
[18:39] <blueyed> IdleOne: you could do the same with "find", too - but I am too drunken to help you with that.
[18:40] <IdleOne> heh
[18:42] <om26er> bug 721431 ;)
[18:43] <IdleOne> shows me Nov 7, 2010 which sounds about right
[18:45] <om26er> blueyed, worked, thx
[18:45] <om26er> 2010-11-26
[18:46] <blueyed> om26er: great!
[18:48] <blueyed> keep in mind though, this might not fit - it says 2005 for me, but it might be older.. "2005-06-09 23:29 /var/log/installer/partman" ^^
[18:49] <blueyed> yeah. I would be 10 bucks on having hte oldest system here anyway.. ツ
[18:49] <blueyed> s/be/bet/
[18:51] <penguin42> blueyed: Oldest Ubuntu system yeh; this is 2007 - my dads debian box I updated earlier in the week was 2003 I think though
[18:56] <blueyed> penguin42: 2003 is very nice, yes. Oldest Ubuntu might have been from 2004 though. It is just my first install though.
[18:56] <blueyed> I've dived into Linux and Ubuntu with Hoary, and never reinstalled.
[19:02] <danyR> Is anyone else having problems with MSN in Empathy? Gmail works fine, MSN fails with "network error"
[19:30] <gnomefreak> ok no matter what i try i can not remove the "workspace switcher" from the menu bar. same with a few others like "OS" "files and folders"
[19:39] <BUGabundo> I can't believe how bad maverick ATI drivers are :(
[19:40] <BUGabundo> now booting a live image of natty to try to see if I can use my TV via HDMI properly
[19:40] <penguin42> natty are really flaky for me - much worse than maverick
[19:40] <penguin42> what do you see with HDMI? (I'm not using it)
[19:41] <BUGabundo> its all tint green
[19:41] <BUGabundo> the screen size is bigger then the TV
[19:41] <BUGabundo> etc
[19:41] <BUGabundo> but booting live image from internet aint the best of my ideas
[19:41] <BUGabundo> it will eventully get there
[19:41] <BUGabundo> just might take tooo long
[19:43] <penguin42> the green tint is odd; however the bigger than the TV might be the TV; in the manual for a Bravia we've got is a note that says on the HDMI it tries to do scaling, not sure what you have to do to persuade it to be sensible - I've not tried
[19:44] <BUGabundo> yeah
[19:45] <BUGabundo> though about that too
[19:48] <gnomefreak> ati works fine here
[19:48] <BUGabundo> hey gnomefreak
[19:49] <BUGabundo> via HDMI?
[19:49] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo and no
[19:49] <penguin42> gnomefreak: open driver? Which card?
[19:49] <BUGabundo> ah
[19:52] <gnomefreak> penguin42: HD4200 and using the ati drivers. the flrx or whatever the name of them is are not in Natty atm
[19:52] <BUGabundo> RV710730
[19:52] <BUGabundo> sorry
[19:52] <BUGabundo> bad line lol
[19:52] <BUGabundo> HD4500
[19:53] <BUGabundo> a M92
[19:53] <penguin42> Yeh I've got an HD4350 with RV710 here - really unstable
[19:53] <gnomefreak> mine is either 4200 or 4500 give me a min
[19:54] <BUGabundo> I've even build the driver from source , last cycle with the help of sarvart
[19:54]  * BUGabundo hands gnomefreak a lspci
[19:54] <gnomefreak> thanks :)
[19:55] <gnomefreak> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200]
[19:55] <gnomefreak> 4200
[19:56] <BUGabundo> if any of you guys could test HDMI I would appreciate
[19:57] <BUGabundo> now I need to get this work done
[19:57] <BUGabundo> will try again later
[19:58] <penguin42> my HDMI TVs aren't in the same room as the computer unfortunately
[20:18] <gnomefreak> seems cant add to panel either
[20:28] <gnomefreak> brb but there really should be a way to add/remove icons to/from gnome side panel
[20:28] <penguin42> gnomefreak: You mean unity?
[20:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: yes
[20:30] <penguin42> yeh, I can't get the hang of it
[20:30]  * penguin42 is just using classic
[20:34] <gnomefreak> up until a few weeks ago i was unable to run unity. new PC i can run it :)
[20:35] <gnomefreak> there are 4 icons i cant remove and i cant add any
[20:47] <Daekdroom> This is fun. Indicator-applet-complete crashes but if you use indicator-applet and indicator-applet-session nothing will crash.
[21:02] <kklimonda> ah, another great upload on friday :)
[21:02] <kklimonda> good evening
[21:02] <yofel> hey kklimonda
[21:09] <gnomefreak> is the pae kernel related to the 64bit proc or the 3gig memory and up?
[21:10] <penguin42> gnomefreak: pae lets you do more than ~3gb memory on non-64bit
[21:10] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[21:26] <gnomefreak> it seems right clicking on trash and emptying it freezes and the me menu can not be moved no lock/unlock option
[21:27]  * gnomefreak wonders what happened to the gnome applets that are of no use anymore
[21:31] <Daekdroom> WHY? Why are indicator applets crashing? :(
[21:31] <gnomefreak> they arent here. did you update the latest?
[21:32] <gnomefreak> libindicator3 i think is what you should be looking for (to be latest)
[21:32] <Daekdroom> Yeah. I have libindicator3.
[21:32] <Daekdroom> Now I can't use indicator-applet-complete or indicator-applet :(
[21:32] <gnomefreak> in unity?
[21:33] <Daekdroom> Classic GNOME
[21:33] <gnomefreak> ah
[21:33] <Daekdroom> Haven't checked unity, I should do that
[21:34]  * gnomefreak misses all my gnome panel applets
[21:34] <gnomefreak> including weather applet
[21:35] <gnomefreak> you cant do much of anything with gnome panels in unity
[21:36] <Daekdroom> Yep, Unity's indicators are alright.
[21:36] <Daekdroom> I guess that means I'm moving.
[21:38] <gnomefreak> yay i added a menu icon
[21:38] <gnomefreak> that gives me an ised
[21:38] <gnomefreak> idea
[21:41] <BUGabundo> penguin42: http://p.bugabundo.net/working-in-style
[21:43] <Daekdroom> Eww. Unity is so crashy
[21:43] <genii-around> BUGabundo: I thought you had a plate with a cupcake on it there and got hungry until I realized it was a mouse :)
[21:43] <gnomefreak> not here. it had its issues earlier but as long as i dont do more than 2 things it works fine
[21:43] <BUGabundo> genii-around: sure, just use the tag FOOD on my blog
[21:44] <BUGabundo> should be enough to get you fed for a year or so
[21:44] <gnomefreak> mouse+iceing==not too bad
[21:44] <genii-around> Heh
[21:44] <genii-around> BUGabundo: The slideshow thingy doesn't work here :(
[21:45] <BUGabundo> slide show?'
[21:45] <BUGabundo> heck, did those guys enable it ?
[21:45] <BUGabundo> bah
[21:45] <BUGabundo> just go to regular
[21:46]  * genii-around sips his coffee and kicks his computer
[21:46] <h00k> genii-around: percussive maintenance.
[21:46] <genii-around> Yup
[21:49] <gnomefreak> who had the indicators crashing?
[21:49]  * gnomefreak might know the problem :)
[21:50]  * gnomefreak scrolls
[21:50] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom in classic try disabling compiz see if the crashing stops
[21:51]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke
[21:51] <genii-around> Are some changelogs actually binaries? apt-listchanges seems to think so sometimes
[21:53] <gnomefreak> not sure if apt converts the file. changelog files are txt files
[21:53] <gnomefreak> brb sorry i should be smoking
[21:53] <Daekdroom> gnomefreak, I'm using metacity
[21:58] <gnomefreak> genii-around: apt may not be able to read debian/changelog so it may get it from another file
[21:59] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom: ah ok. i hear compiz is crashing
[22:05] <genii-around> Hm
[22:58] <rmcbride> hooray, today's kernel update seems to have fixed the ACPI issues (no brightness control, brightness set to arbitrary, unpleasantly low levels) on intel video
[23:18] <Daekdroom> Odd. indicator-applet starts working all of a sudden