| BUGabundo | 194 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| BUGabundo | Need to get 163 MB of archives. After unpacking 2,114 kB will be used. | 00:00 |
| BUGabundo | we are pushing the boundries | 00:00 |
| penguin42 | ? | 00:02 |
| BUGabundo | boundaries | 00:03 |
| Ohelig | yo | 00:06 |
| penguin42 | indeed | 00:06 |
| FloridaGuy | This is probly an unsoprted ? but here it is.....kubuntu 10.10 maverick....kernel 2.6.38-020638rc5-generic....from ubuntu 11.04 ....on boot i get /proc/device-tree..can't find root......but everything is runing smooth and faster then the current 10.10 kernel | 00:14 |
| penguin42 | FloridaGuy: I think there were some natty kernels out there specificalyl for testing on maverick | 00:16 |
| yofel | really? I only know the mainline kernels (which he seems to be using) | 00:17 |
| FloridaGuy | penguin42: this is where i got it from.... http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ | 00:19 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 00:19 |
| penguin42 | yofel: I seem to remember some a while ago | 00:20 |
| FloridaGuy | it says natty | 00:20 |
| FloridaGuy | works great | 00:20 |
| FloridaGuy | the /proc/device-tree...cant find root....isent hurting anything | 00:21 |
| yofel | FloridaGuy: that's not exacly the natty kernel, but the official linux kernels with the natty configuration and without ubuntu patches. Usually used for bug testing. | 00:22 |
| yofel | they are the easiest way to get newer kernels on your system though | 00:22 |
| BUGabundo | humm | 00:22 |
| BUGabundo | ore xorg updates | 00:23 |
| yofel | penguin42: there is a backport of the maverick kernels for lucid, but I haven't seen others | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | .....should I do those | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | ..... | 00:23 |
| FloridaGuy | so the proc thing is a bug | 00:23 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: todays X updates didn't break natty any more for me at least (here on intel) | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | nvidia with nouveua | 00:24 |
| BUGabundo | topic needs updating | 00:24 |
| BUGabundo | ikonia: ^^^ | 00:24 |
| yofel | it does? | 00:24 |
| BUGabundo | the link to the ML is old | 00:25 |
| yofel | nouveau sadly isn't usable on my thinkpad, so I'm sticking to old X for now there | 00:25 |
| BUGabundo | night | 01:27 |
| penguin42 | night BUGs | 01:27 |
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| Yanks | you know ur motherboard has 250$ worth of gold in it? | 03:35 |
| Yanks | !ops | 03:35 |
| Yanks | im gangsta | 03:35 |
| Yanks | im gangsta | 03:36 |
| * psusi facepalms | 03:40 | |
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| xman | hi | 06:37 |
| xman | in ubuntu 11.04 ''Wayland will replace the X server (and Xorg) - '' | 06:37 |
| xman | is real? | 06:37 |
| bazhang | no | 06:37 |
| xman | so ubuntu11.04 will have gnome ? | 06:38 |
| bazhang | correct. wayland has nothing to do with gnome | 06:38 |
| xman | wayland is for unity ? | 06:39 |
| xman | ? | 06:40 |
| twager | !gnome | 07:12 |
| ubottu | GNOME is the default !desktop environment on Ubuntu. To install it from Kubuntu or Xubuntu, type « sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » in a !terminal. | 07:12 |
| twager | !gnome 3 | 07:13 |
| twager | !gnome3 | 07:13 |
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| gnomefreak | how do you remove items from the gnome bar? right clicking isnt working | 13:37 |
| robin0800 | any one got shotwell problems? | 13:39 |
| penguin42 | I think I used it yesterday and it was OK | 13:56 |
| robin0800 | penguin42, thanks will reinstall as it seems to be an svg problem | 13:58 |
| penguin42 | what happens? | 13:58 |
| robin0800 | penguin42, it dosen't start and if run from terminal says svg wrong format and aborts but no crash and no crash report | 14:01 |
| robin0800 | penguin42, tried to open svg with image viewer but that dosen't work either | 14:04 |
| penguin42 | oh, no it's starting up fine and showing me my images | 14:04 |
| Punkoff | Looks like I've broken my Notify-OSD - I'm getting old 8.04-like popups instead of hover-able ones | 14:07 |
| robin0800 | penguin42, I'll try today’s alternate cd | 14:07 |
| penguin42 | Punkoff: Yeh, I get those on this machine | 14:09 |
| Punkoff | penguin42, did you solve that? | 14:10 |
| penguin42 | no | 14:11 |
| Punkoff | sh#t, I have both netbook and desktop on natty, updating daily, and the netbook is just fine | 14:12 |
| gnomefreak | ok that was odd not to mention annoying as hell :( | 14:38 |
| gnomefreak | ok so how do i remove an icon from the gnome panel in unity? | 14:38 |
| gnomefreak | ok updates == bad atm it will remove unity, ubuntu-desktop and all the indicator apps | 14:40 |
| gnomefreak | python-appindicator is the reason indicator-* will be removed | 14:42 |
| gnomefreak | ok how do you remove icons from unity app bar? | 14:46 |
| Punkoff | rightclick -> uncheck the checkbox | 14:46 |
| Punkoff | "keep in launcher" one | 14:46 |
| penguin42 | it's almost a double negative isn't it | 14:53 |
| Punkoff | penguin42, uncheck the checked checkbox that you checked before then | 14:59 |
| penguin42 | that's right, unless you ticked the tickbox | 14:59 |
| ipv5 | check please | 15:00 |
| coz_ | anyone else getting duplicat internet connection symbols in indicator applet? | 15:39 |
| jml | coz_: I have duplicate monitor symbols | 15:51 |
| coz_ | jml, mm must be a glitch in the indiactor applet | 15:51 |
| genii-around | Hm. remove with purge on xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, nouveau-firmware, and libdrm-nouveau1a still leaves it loading at boot somehow | 16:03 |
| weld | hello, can someone help me to debug my xorg? It seems for some reason the nouveau fails http://paste.ubuntu.com/568813/ unity and kde with desktop effects used to work fine until a week or two ago with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental installed. | 16:55 |
| weld | what i get from the Xorg log is that the vesa driver gets used because the nouveau driver fails | 16:59 |
| penguin42 | looks to me as if it was trying to look for a kernel drm driver and failed | 17:00 |
| weld | penguin42: i'm looking for some advice on how to track this problem properly and report a bug | 17:03 |
| weld | lspci: http://pastebin.com/NYiCs2Vvl | 17:05 |
| penguin42 | weld: If you do a modprobe nouveau what do you get? | 17:05 |
| weld | penguin42: i can do modprobe and modprobe -r without trouble while on X, so nouveau doesn't seem to be in use | 17:06 |
| coz_ | hey guys.. when creating a new panel ...dual monitors... I cant seem to alt drag it to the secondary monitor... another way ? | 17:17 |
| Volkodav | anybody has skype crash on start with this error after recent upgrade: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-deps.c: 622: _dl_map_object_deps: Assertion `nlist > 1' failed! | 17:25 |
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| penguin42 | Volkodav: It looks like other people are seeing that and it looks like http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=12454 (from a discussion on another channel) | 17:29 |
| Volkodav | yeah I saw that bug but it does not seem very much relevant | 17:30 |
| Volkodav | I'll try the patch though | 17:30 |
| penguin42 | Volkodav: The answer seems to be downgrade libc | 17:32 |
| Volkodav | hmm | 17:33 |
| blueyed | Does nybody else have sound stuttering with amarok? | 17:34 |
| penguin42 | blueyed: It occasionally stutters for me when other players don't - it's rare for me, but it's a fast box | 17:35 |
| blueyed | Also, I have a problem with cryptsetup during boot, where it does not find the "foo_unformatted" devide. | 17:35 |
| blueyed | penguin42: ok, would be the same then probably. It got better today, but has been really worse the last days. | 17:35 |
| penguin42 | last couple of days amarok wouldn't play at all for me | 17:36 |
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| blueyed | What other good audio players are there? Mainly for streaming currently. | 17:55 |
| coz_ | Listen ? | 17:56 |
| yofel | blueyed: tried a different phonon backend? | 17:56 |
| genii-around | VLC is pretty good al-around | 17:56 |
| blueyed | genii-around: yep, but it does not like this particular .pls file. | 17:56 |
| yofel | vlc is nice, but not really an amarok replacement | 17:56 |
| blueyed | yofel: ack. would be enough for streaming currently now. I have switched the backend from xine to vlc now.. ツ | 17:58 |
| blueyed | coz_: thanks for the tip - I do not have it installed, but will check in case of amarok/phonon keep failing. | 17:58 |
| blueyed | yofel: vlc backend just "stuttered" horribly, too. | 17:59 |
| coz_ | cool | 17:59 |
| yofel | ah ^^ - try the gstreamer backend too, that's the new default at least, I use vlc too | 17:59 |
| yofel | :/ | 17:59 |
| blueyed | at least amarok still crashes when changing backends.. now at GStreamer. | 18:02 |
| blueyed | still stutters.. now to Listen. | 18:02 |
| blueyed | lastfm app appears to work good, too. | 18:08 |
| blueyed | is only amarok and/or phonon affected by this? | 18:08 |
| blueyed | (listen still installs) | 18:08 |
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| blueyed | Here's my mountall/cryptsetup bug btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/719563 | 18:10 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 719563 in mountall (Ubuntu) "mountall: fatal error: cannot open /dev/mapper/crypthome_unformatted" [Undecided,New] | 18:10 |
| blueyed | coz_: listen crashes on startup: TypeError: could not convert type int to gchararray required for parameter 2 | 18:12 |
| coz_ | yikes | 18:12 |
| blueyed | untu) "mountall: fatal error: cannot open /dev/mapper/crypthome_unformatted" [Undecided,New] | 18:12 |
| blueyed | sry | 18:13 |
| coz_ | not sure what the issue is then | 18:13 |
| coz_ | I have to break here but will be back a bit later | 18:14 |
| blueyed | Since I have weechat running on my server I cannot understand why people leave.. ;) | 18:21 |
| blueyed | bug report is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/listen/+bug/721419 | 18:21 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 721419 in listen (Ubuntu) "listen crashes on startup: TypeError: could not convert type int to gchararray required for parameter 2" [Undecided,New] | 18:21 |
| blueyed | so, any other good players besides laggin' amarok and crashin' listen? ツ | 18:29 |
| IdleOne | vlc, mplayer, smplayer, gnome-mplayer, amarok, rhythmbox, banshee, kaffeine, xmms, totem, totem-xine | 18:30 |
| blueyed | IdleOne: you have a nice list of favorites.. ;) vlc does not work(with this pls at least), the same for mplayer and reivates. next one to try would by rhythmbox then.. | 18:32 |
| om26er | how can i check about how old my natty install is? | 18:32 |
| blueyed | reivates=derivates | 18:32 |
| blueyed | om26er: what do you mean with how old? uptime? | 18:33 |
| blueyed | last update? | 18:33 |
| om26er | blueyed, install date | 18:33 |
| blueyed | om26er: like you have installed it fresh? | 18:33 |
| om26er | yes | 18:33 |
| blueyed | om26er: You might look at the oldest file in /var/log then for example. | 18:34 |
| IdleOne | uname -a will show you install date of the running kernel | 18:34 |
| IdleOne | not sure how you would check install date of system | 18:34 |
| blueyed | om26er: given zsh, which you could install and use, this should work: ls -lU /var/log/**/*(Om)|head | 18:35 |
| blueyed | (in a shell of course) | 18:35 |
| Volkodav | blueyed: try qmmp - this puppy can play what all others can't | 18:35 |
| blueyed | Volkodav: sounds similar to vlc then.. ツ - I have been using it before.. IIRC it is a winamp clone, similar to xmms?! - will try. | 18:37 |
| Volkodav | not clone but yes looks like it | 18:37 |
| IdleOne | blueyed: that command gives me: ls: cannot access /var/log/**/*(Om): No such file or directory | 18:37 |
| blueyed | wow. archive is a fast moving target currently.. or.. my apt-cacher-ng is crashing.. | 18:37 |
| Volkodav | plays wavepacks with tag support | 18:37 |
| blueyed | ..prolly both. | 18:37 |
| blueyed | IdleOne: try installing zsh first, and then use it. | 18:38 |
| blueyed | IdleOne: "sudo apt-get install zsh", "exec zsh" (in a shell) | 18:38 |
| blueyed | IdleOne: at least "(Om" is specific to zsh to sort my modification date, oldest first. | 18:39 |
| blueyed | IdleOne: you could do the same with "find", too - but I am too drunken to help you with that. | 18:39 |
| IdleOne | heh | 18:40 |
| om26er | bug 721431 ;) | 18:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 721431 in unity (Ubuntu) "Skype tray icon appeared. It's against new unity philosophy." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721431 | 18:42 |
| IdleOne | shows me Nov 7, 2010 which sounds about right | 18:43 |
| om26er | blueyed, worked, thx | 18:45 |
| om26er | 2010-11-26 | 18:45 |
| blueyed | om26er: great! | 18:46 |
| blueyed | keep in mind though, this might not fit - it says 2005 for me, but it might be older.. "2005-06-09 23:29 /var/log/installer/partman" ^^ | 18:48 |
| blueyed | yeah. I would be 10 bucks on having hte oldest system here anyway.. ツ | 18:49 |
| blueyed | s/be/bet/ | 18:49 |
| penguin42 | blueyed: Oldest Ubuntu system yeh; this is 2007 - my dads debian box I updated earlier in the week was 2003 I think though | 18:51 |
| blueyed | penguin42: 2003 is very nice, yes. Oldest Ubuntu might have been from 2004 though. It is just my first install though. | 18:56 |
| blueyed | I've dived into Linux and Ubuntu with Hoary, and never reinstalled. | 18:56 |
| danyR | Is anyone else having problems with MSN in Empathy? Gmail works fine, MSN fails with "network error" | 19:02 |
| gnomefreak | ok no matter what i try i can not remove the "workspace switcher" from the menu bar. same with a few others like "OS" "files and folders" | 19:30 |
| BUGabundo | I can't believe how bad maverick ATI drivers are :( | 19:39 |
| BUGabundo | now booting a live image of natty to try to see if I can use my TV via HDMI properly | 19:40 |
| penguin42 | natty are really flaky for me - much worse than maverick | 19:40 |
| penguin42 | what do you see with HDMI? (I'm not using it) | 19:40 |
| BUGabundo | its all tint green | 19:41 |
| BUGabundo | the screen size is bigger then the TV | 19:41 |
| BUGabundo | etc | 19:41 |
| BUGabundo | but booting live image from internet aint the best of my ideas | 19:41 |
| BUGabundo | it will eventully get there | 19:41 |
| BUGabundo | just might take tooo long | 19:41 |
| penguin42 | the green tint is odd; however the bigger than the TV might be the TV; in the manual for a Bravia we've got is a note that says on the HDMI it tries to do scaling, not sure what you have to do to persuade it to be sensible - I've not tried | 19:43 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 19:44 |
| BUGabundo | though about that too | 19:45 |
| gnomefreak | ati works fine here | 19:48 |
| BUGabundo | hey gnomefreak | 19:48 |
| BUGabundo | via HDMI? | 19:49 |
| gnomefreak | hi BUGabundo and no | 19:49 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: open driver? Which card? | 19:49 |
| BUGabundo | ah | 19:49 |
| gnomefreak | penguin42: HD4200 and using the ati drivers. the flrx or whatever the name of them is are not in Natty atm | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | RV710730 | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | sorry | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | bad line lol | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | HD4500 | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | a M92 | 19:53 |
| penguin42 | Yeh I've got an HD4350 with RV710 here - really unstable | 19:53 |
| gnomefreak | mine is either 4200 or 4500 give me a min | 19:53 |
| BUGabundo | I've even build the driver from source , last cycle with the help of sarvart | 19:54 |
| * BUGabundo hands gnomefreak a lspci | 19:54 | |
| gnomefreak | thanks :) | 19:54 |
| gnomefreak | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] | 19:55 |
| gnomefreak | 4200 | 19:55 |
| BUGabundo | if any of you guys could test HDMI I would appreciate | 19:56 |
| BUGabundo | now I need to get this work done | 19:57 |
| BUGabundo | will try again later | 19:57 |
| penguin42 | my HDMI TVs aren't in the same room as the computer unfortunately | 19:58 |
| gnomefreak | seems cant add to panel either | 20:18 |
| gnomefreak | brb but there really should be a way to add/remove icons to/from gnome side panel | 20:28 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: You mean unity? | 20:28 |
| gnomefreak | penguin42: yes | 20:29 |
| penguin42 | yeh, I can't get the hang of it | 20:30 |
| * penguin42 is just using classic | 20:30 | |
| gnomefreak | up until a few weeks ago i was unable to run unity. new PC i can run it :) | 20:34 |
| gnomefreak | there are 4 icons i cant remove and i cant add any | 20:35 |
| Daekdroom | This is fun. Indicator-applet-complete crashes but if you use indicator-applet and indicator-applet-session nothing will crash. | 20:47 |
| kklimonda | ah, another great upload on friday :) | 21:02 |
| kklimonda | good evening | 21:02 |
| yofel | hey kklimonda | 21:02 |
| gnomefreak | is the pae kernel related to the 64bit proc or the 3gig memory and up? | 21:09 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: pae lets you do more than ~3gb memory on non-64bit | 21:10 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok | 21:10 |
| gnomefreak | it seems right clicking on trash and emptying it freezes and the me menu can not be moved no lock/unlock option | 21:26 |
| * gnomefreak wonders what happened to the gnome applets that are of no use anymore | 21:27 | |
| Daekdroom | WHY? Why are indicator applets crashing? :( | 21:31 |
| gnomefreak | they arent here. did you update the latest? | 21:31 |
| gnomefreak | libindicator3 i think is what you should be looking for (to be latest) | 21:32 |
| Daekdroom | Yeah. I have libindicator3. | 21:32 |
| Daekdroom | Now I can't use indicator-applet-complete or indicator-applet :( | 21:32 |
| gnomefreak | in unity? | 21:32 |
| Daekdroom | Classic GNOME | 21:33 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 21:33 |
| Daekdroom | Haven't checked unity, I should do that | 21:33 |
| * gnomefreak misses all my gnome panel applets | 21:34 | |
| gnomefreak | including weather applet | 21:34 |
| gnomefreak | you cant do much of anything with gnome panels in unity | 21:35 |
| Daekdroom | Yep, Unity's indicators are alright. | 21:36 |
| Daekdroom | I guess that means I'm moving. | 21:36 |
| gnomefreak | yay i added a menu icon | 21:38 |
| gnomefreak | that gives me an ised | 21:38 |
| gnomefreak | idea | 21:38 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: http://p.bugabundo.net/working-in-style | 21:41 |
| Daekdroom | Eww. Unity is so crashy | 21:43 |
| genii-around | BUGabundo: I thought you had a plate with a cupcake on it there and got hungry until I realized it was a mouse :) | 21:43 |
| gnomefreak | not here. it had its issues earlier but as long as i dont do more than 2 things it works fine | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | genii-around: sure, just use the tag FOOD on my blog | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | should be enough to get you fed for a year or so | 21:44 |
| gnomefreak | mouse+iceing==not too bad | 21:44 |
| genii-around | Heh | 21:44 |
| genii-around | BUGabundo: The slideshow thingy doesn't work here :( | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | slide show?' | 21:45 |
| BUGabundo | heck, did those guys enable it ? | 21:45 |
| BUGabundo | bah | 21:45 |
| BUGabundo | just go to regular | 21:45 |
| * genii-around sips his coffee and kicks his computer | 21:46 | |
| h00k | genii-around: percussive maintenance. | 21:46 |
| genii-around | Yup | 21:46 |
| gnomefreak | who had the indicators crashing? | 21:49 |
| * gnomefreak might know the problem :) | 21:49 | |
| * gnomefreak scrolls | 21:50 | |
| gnomefreak | Daekdroom in classic try disabling compiz see if the crashing stops | 21:50 |
| * gnomefreak goes for smoke | 21:51 | |
| genii-around | Are some changelogs actually binaries? apt-listchanges seems to think so sometimes | 21:51 |
| gnomefreak | not sure if apt converts the file. changelog files are txt files | 21:53 |
| gnomefreak | brb sorry i should be smoking | 21:53 |
| Daekdroom | gnomefreak, I'm using metacity | 21:53 |
| gnomefreak | genii-around: apt may not be able to read debian/changelog so it may get it from another file | 21:58 |
| gnomefreak | Daekdroom: ah ok. i hear compiz is crashing | 21:59 |
| genii-around | Hm | 22:05 |
| rmcbride | hooray, today's kernel update seems to have fixed the ACPI issues (no brightness control, brightness set to arbitrary, unpleasantly low levels) on intel video | 22:58 |
| Daekdroom | Odd. indicator-applet starts working all of a sudden | 23:18 |
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