[00:00] 194 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. [00:00] Need to get 163 MB of archives. After unpacking 2,114 kB will be used. [00:00] we are pushing the boundries [00:02] ? [00:03] boundaries [00:06] yo [00:06] indeed [00:14] This is probly an unsoprted ? but here it is.....kubuntu 10.10 maverick....kernel 2.6.38-020638rc5-generic....from ubuntu 11.04 ....on boot i get /proc/device-tree..can't find root......but everything is runing smooth and faster then the current 10.10 kernel [00:16] FloridaGuy: I think there were some natty kernels out there specificalyl for testing on maverick [00:17] really? I only know the mainline kernels (which he seems to be using) [00:19] penguin42: this is where i got it from.... http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [00:19] yeh [00:20] yofel: I seem to remember some a while ago [00:20] it says natty [00:20] works great [00:21] the /proc/device-tree...cant find root....isent hurting anything [00:22] FloridaGuy: that's not exacly the natty kernel, but the official linux kernels with the natty configuration and without ubuntu patches. Usually used for bug testing. [00:22] they are the easiest way to get newer kernels on your system though [00:22] humm [00:23] ore xorg updates [00:23] penguin42: there is a backport of the maverick kernels for lucid, but I haven't seen others [00:23] .....should I do those [00:23] ..... [00:23] so the proc thing is a bug [00:23] BUGabundo: todays X updates didn't break natty any more for me at least (here on intel) [00:24] nvidia with nouveua [00:24] topic needs updating [00:24] ikonia: ^^^ [00:24] it does? [00:25] the link to the ML is old [00:25] nouveau sadly isn't usable on my thinkpad, so I'm sticking to old X for now there [01:27] night [01:27] night BUGs === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu [03:35] you know ur motherboard has 250$ worth of gold in it? [03:35] !ops [03:35] im gangsta [03:36] im gangsta [03:40] * psusi facepalms === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [06:37] hi [06:37] in ubuntu 11.04 ''Wayland will replace the X server (and Xorg) - '' [06:37] is real? [06:37] no [06:38] so ubuntu11.04 will have gnome ? [06:38] correct. wayland has nothing to do with gnome [06:39] wayland is for unity ? [06:40] ? [07:12] !gnome [07:12] GNOME is the default !desktop environment on Ubuntu. To install it from Kubuntu or Xubuntu, type « sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » in a !terminal. [07:13] !gnome 3 [07:13] !gnome3 === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:37] how do you remove items from the gnome bar? right clicking isnt working [13:39] any one got shotwell problems? [13:56] I think I used it yesterday and it was OK [13:58] penguin42, thanks will reinstall as it seems to be an svg problem [13:58] what happens? [14:01] penguin42, it dosen't start and if run from terminal says svg wrong format and aborts but no crash and no crash report [14:04] penguin42, tried to open svg with image viewer but that dosen't work either [14:04] oh, no it's starting up fine and showing me my images [14:07] Looks like I've broken my Notify-OSD - I'm getting old 8.04-like popups instead of hover-able ones [14:07] penguin42, I'll try today’s alternate cd [14:09] Punkoff: Yeh, I get those on this machine [14:10] penguin42, did you solve that? [14:11] no [14:12] sh#t, I have both netbook and desktop on natty, updating daily, and the netbook is just fine [14:38] ok that was odd not to mention annoying as hell :( [14:38] ok so how do i remove an icon from the gnome panel in unity? [14:40] ok updates == bad atm it will remove unity, ubuntu-desktop and all the indicator apps [14:42] python-appindicator is the reason indicator-* will be removed [14:46] ok how do you remove icons from unity app bar? [14:46] rightclick -> uncheck the checkbox [14:46] "keep in launcher" one [14:53] it's almost a double negative isn't it [14:59] penguin42, uncheck the checked checkbox that you checked before then [14:59] that's right, unless you ticked the tickbox [15:00] check please [15:39] anyone else getting duplicat internet connection symbols in indicator applet? [15:51] coz_: I have duplicate monitor symbols [15:51] jml, mm must be a glitch in the indiactor applet [16:03] Hm. remove with purge on xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, nouveau-firmware, and libdrm-nouveau1a still leaves it loading at boot somehow [16:55] hello, can someone help me to debug my xorg? It seems for some reason the nouveau fails http://paste.ubuntu.com/568813/ unity and kde with desktop effects used to work fine until a week or two ago with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental installed. [16:59] what i get from the Xorg log is that the vesa driver gets used because the nouveau driver fails [17:00] looks to me as if it was trying to look for a kernel drm driver and failed [17:03] penguin42: i'm looking for some advice on how to track this problem properly and report a bug [17:05] lspci: http://pastebin.com/NYiCs2Vvl [17:05] weld: If you do a modprobe nouveau what do you get? [17:06] penguin42: i can do modprobe and modprobe -r without trouble while on X, so nouveau doesn't seem to be in use [17:17] hey guys.. when creating a new panel ...dual monitors... I cant seem to alt drag it to the secondary monitor... another way ? [17:25] anybody has skype crash on start with this error after recent upgrade: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-deps.c: 622: _dl_map_object_deps: Assertion `nlist > 1' failed! === weld3 is now known as weld === weld is now known as weld_ [17:29] Volkodav: It looks like other people are seeing that and it looks like http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=12454 (from a discussion on another channel) [17:30] yeah I saw that bug but it does not seem very much relevant [17:30] I'll try the patch though [17:32] Volkodav: The answer seems to be downgrade libc [17:33] hmm [17:34] Does nybody else have sound stuttering with amarok? [17:35] blueyed: It occasionally stutters for me when other players don't - it's rare for me, but it's a fast box [17:35] Also, I have a problem with cryptsetup during boot, where it does not find the "foo_unformatted" devide. [17:35] penguin42: ok, would be the same then probably. It got better today, but has been really worse the last days. [17:36] last couple of days amarok wouldn't play at all for me === weld is now known as weld_ [17:55] What other good audio players are there? Mainly for streaming currently. [17:56] Listen ? [17:56] blueyed: tried a different phonon backend? [17:56] VLC is pretty good al-around [17:56] genii-around: yep, but it does not like this particular .pls file. [17:56] vlc is nice, but not really an amarok replacement [17:58] yofel: ack. would be enough for streaming currently now. I have switched the backend from xine to vlc now.. ツ [17:58] coz_: thanks for the tip - I do not have it installed, but will check in case of amarok/phonon keep failing. [17:59] yofel: vlc backend just "stuttered" horribly, too. [17:59] cool [17:59] ah ^^ - try the gstreamer backend too, that's the new default at least, I use vlc too [17:59] :/ [18:02] at least amarok still crashes when changing backends.. now at GStreamer. [18:02] still stutters.. now to Listen. [18:08] lastfm app appears to work good, too. [18:08] is only amarok and/or phonon affected by this? [18:08] (listen still installs) === weld is now known as weld_ [18:10] Here's my mountall/cryptsetup bug btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/719563 [18:10] Ubuntu bug 719563 in mountall (Ubuntu) "mountall: fatal error: cannot open /dev/mapper/crypthome_unformatted" [Undecided,New] [18:12] coz_: listen crashes on startup: TypeError: could not convert type int to gchararray required for parameter 2 [18:12] yikes [18:12] untu) "mountall: fatal error: cannot open /dev/mapper/crypthome_unformatted" [Undecided,New] [18:13] sry [18:13] not sure what the issue is then [18:14] I have to break here but will be back a bit later [18:21] Since I have weechat running on my server I cannot understand why people leave.. ;) [18:21] bug report is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/listen/+bug/721419 [18:21] Ubuntu bug 721419 in listen (Ubuntu) "listen crashes on startup: TypeError: could not convert type int to gchararray required for parameter 2" [Undecided,New] [18:29] so, any other good players besides laggin' amarok and crashin' listen? ツ [18:30] vlc, mplayer, smplayer, gnome-mplayer, amarok, rhythmbox, banshee, kaffeine, xmms, totem, totem-xine [18:32] IdleOne: you have a nice list of favorites.. ;) vlc does not work(with this pls at least), the same for mplayer and reivates. next one to try would by rhythmbox then.. [18:32] how can i check about how old my natty install is? [18:32] reivates=derivates [18:33] om26er: what do you mean with how old? uptime? [18:33] last update? [18:33] blueyed, install date [18:33] om26er: like you have installed it fresh? [18:33] yes [18:34] om26er: You might look at the oldest file in /var/log then for example. [18:34] uname -a will show you install date of the running kernel [18:34] not sure how you would check install date of system [18:35] om26er: given zsh, which you could install and use, this should work: ls -lU /var/log/**/*(Om)|head [18:35] (in a shell of course) [18:35] blueyed: try qmmp - this puppy can play what all others can't [18:37] Volkodav: sounds similar to vlc then.. ツ - I have been using it before.. IIRC it is a winamp clone, similar to xmms?! - will try. [18:37] not clone but yes looks like it [18:37] blueyed: that command gives me: ls: cannot access /var/log/**/*(Om): No such file or directory [18:37] wow. archive is a fast moving target currently.. or.. my apt-cacher-ng is crashing.. [18:37] plays wavepacks with tag support [18:37] ..prolly both. [18:38] IdleOne: try installing zsh first, and then use it. [18:38] IdleOne: "sudo apt-get install zsh", "exec zsh" (in a shell) [18:39] IdleOne: at least "(Om" is specific to zsh to sort my modification date, oldest first. [18:39] IdleOne: you could do the same with "find", too - but I am too drunken to help you with that. [18:40] heh [18:42] bug 721431 ;) [18:42] Launchpad bug 721431 in unity (Ubuntu) "Skype tray icon appeared. It's against new unity philosophy." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721431 [18:43] shows me Nov 7, 2010 which sounds about right [18:45] blueyed, worked, thx [18:45] 2010-11-26 [18:46] om26er: great! [18:48] keep in mind though, this might not fit - it says 2005 for me, but it might be older.. "2005-06-09 23:29 /var/log/installer/partman" ^^ [18:49] yeah. I would be 10 bucks on having hte oldest system here anyway.. ツ [18:49] s/be/bet/ [18:51] blueyed: Oldest Ubuntu system yeh; this is 2007 - my dads debian box I updated earlier in the week was 2003 I think though [18:56] penguin42: 2003 is very nice, yes. Oldest Ubuntu might have been from 2004 though. It is just my first install though. [18:56] I've dived into Linux and Ubuntu with Hoary, and never reinstalled. [19:02] Is anyone else having problems with MSN in Empathy? Gmail works fine, MSN fails with "network error" [19:30] ok no matter what i try i can not remove the "workspace switcher" from the menu bar. same with a few others like "OS" "files and folders" [19:39] I can't believe how bad maverick ATI drivers are :( [19:40] now booting a live image of natty to try to see if I can use my TV via HDMI properly [19:40] natty are really flaky for me - much worse than maverick [19:40] what do you see with HDMI? (I'm not using it) [19:41] its all tint green [19:41] the screen size is bigger then the TV [19:41] etc [19:41] but booting live image from internet aint the best of my ideas [19:41] it will eventully get there [19:41] just might take tooo long [19:43] the green tint is odd; however the bigger than the TV might be the TV; in the manual for a Bravia we've got is a note that says on the HDMI it tries to do scaling, not sure what you have to do to persuade it to be sensible - I've not tried [19:44] yeah [19:45] though about that too [19:48] ati works fine here [19:48] hey gnomefreak [19:49] via HDMI? [19:49] hi BUGabundo and no [19:49] gnomefreak: open driver? Which card? [19:49] ah [19:52] penguin42: HD4200 and using the ati drivers. the flrx or whatever the name of them is are not in Natty atm [19:52] RV710730 [19:52] sorry [19:52] bad line lol [19:52] HD4500 [19:53] a M92 [19:53] Yeh I've got an HD4350 with RV710 here - really unstable [19:53] mine is either 4200 or 4500 give me a min [19:54] I've even build the driver from source , last cycle with the help of sarvart [19:54] * BUGabundo hands gnomefreak a lspci [19:54] thanks :) [19:55] 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] [19:55] 4200 [19:56] if any of you guys could test HDMI I would appreciate [19:57] now I need to get this work done [19:57] will try again later [19:58] my HDMI TVs aren't in the same room as the computer unfortunately [20:18] seems cant add to panel either [20:28] brb but there really should be a way to add/remove icons to/from gnome side panel [20:28] gnomefreak: You mean unity? [20:29] penguin42: yes [20:30] yeh, I can't get the hang of it [20:30] * penguin42 is just using classic [20:34] up until a few weeks ago i was unable to run unity. new PC i can run it :) [20:35] there are 4 icons i cant remove and i cant add any [20:47] This is fun. Indicator-applet-complete crashes but if you use indicator-applet and indicator-applet-session nothing will crash. [21:02] ah, another great upload on friday :) [21:02] good evening [21:02] hey kklimonda [21:09] is the pae kernel related to the 64bit proc or the 3gig memory and up? [21:10] gnomefreak: pae lets you do more than ~3gb memory on non-64bit [21:10] ah ok [21:26] it seems right clicking on trash and emptying it freezes and the me menu can not be moved no lock/unlock option [21:27] * gnomefreak wonders what happened to the gnome applets that are of no use anymore [21:31] WHY? Why are indicator applets crashing? :( [21:31] they arent here. did you update the latest? [21:32] libindicator3 i think is what you should be looking for (to be latest) [21:32] Yeah. I have libindicator3. [21:32] Now I can't use indicator-applet-complete or indicator-applet :( [21:32] in unity? [21:33] Classic GNOME [21:33] ah [21:33] Haven't checked unity, I should do that [21:34] * gnomefreak misses all my gnome panel applets [21:34] including weather applet [21:35] you cant do much of anything with gnome panels in unity [21:36] Yep, Unity's indicators are alright. [21:36] I guess that means I'm moving. [21:38] yay i added a menu icon [21:38] that gives me an ised [21:38] idea [21:41] penguin42: http://p.bugabundo.net/working-in-style [21:43] Eww. Unity is so crashy [21:43] BUGabundo: I thought you had a plate with a cupcake on it there and got hungry until I realized it was a mouse :) [21:43] not here. it had its issues earlier but as long as i dont do more than 2 things it works fine [21:43] genii-around: sure, just use the tag FOOD on my blog [21:44] should be enough to get you fed for a year or so [21:44] mouse+iceing==not too bad [21:44] Heh [21:44] BUGabundo: The slideshow thingy doesn't work here :( [21:45] slide show?' [21:45] heck, did those guys enable it ? [21:45] bah [21:45] just go to regular [21:46] * genii-around sips his coffee and kicks his computer [21:46] genii-around: percussive maintenance. [21:46] Yup [21:49] who had the indicators crashing? [21:49] * gnomefreak might know the problem :) [21:50] * gnomefreak scrolls [21:50] Daekdroom in classic try disabling compiz see if the crashing stops [21:51] * gnomefreak goes for smoke [21:51] Are some changelogs actually binaries? apt-listchanges seems to think so sometimes [21:53] not sure if apt converts the file. changelog files are txt files [21:53] brb sorry i should be smoking [21:53] gnomefreak, I'm using metacity [21:58] genii-around: apt may not be able to read debian/changelog so it may get it from another file [21:59] Daekdroom: ah ok. i hear compiz is crashing [22:05] Hm [22:58] hooray, today's kernel update seems to have fixed the ACPI issues (no brightness control, brightness set to arbitrary, unpleasantly low levels) on intel video [23:18] Odd. indicator-applet starts working all of a sudden