| * vish facepalms at typo should have been "Misled" | 08:55 | |
| thorwil | vish: having mistyped misled is a meager misstep, nothing that should make you feel miserable | 09:51 |
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| vish | :) | 09:52 |
| vish | thorwil: i've also noticed john sends his best regards ;p | 09:53 |
| thorwil | i still don't know if it's a mental deficiency, or very sophisticated trolling | 09:54 |
| vish | heh, lets go with "mental" for now ;) | 09:55 |
| thorwil | but interesting that 2 people know to make use of CC and no one else ... | 09:55 |
| vish | leogg is a member of the regional board.. | 09:56 |
| vish | i think the americas one | 09:56 |
| thorwil | CC: carbon copy, not community council | 09:57 |
| vish | oh! lol | 09:57 |
| thorwil | hooray for abbrev. overloading. creative commons, too | 09:57 |
| coz_ | well the mailing list "stuff" is distressing | 15:45 |
| coz_ | vish, I assume the "member" discussed in the mailing list is jbaer ? | 15:49 |
| vish | coz_: afaik, that is whom thorwil , doctormo and I are referring to.. | 15:50 |
| vish | heh! the same day, we have two replies, one person saying there is no critique and another saying critique is harsh! | 15:51 |
| vish | plain madness! :/ | 15:51 |
| coz_ | vish, absolutely | 15:51 |
| coz_ | vish, harsh critisism I have not witnessed | 15:52 |
| coz_ | except maybe from that "evilvish" guy lol | 15:52 |
| vish | yea.. :) | 15:52 |
| coz_ | :) | 15:52 |
| vish | i have no more patience for jbaer or his sheer stupidity | 15:53 |
| * darkmatter waves vigorously in the direction of coz_ and vish | 15:54 | |
| coz_ | darkmatter, hey guy :) | 15:54 |
| vish | how very odd that he creates his own teams and expects people to come asking him to stop | 15:54 |
| vish | as if everyone has nothing else to do.. | 15:54 |
| coz_ | vish, i understand the desire to contribute... I am not quite sure I understand the move to "fork" the team... seems a bit over the top | 15:55 |
| vish | yea.. | 15:55 |
| coz_ | I have non need for control .. h ere... I have been here for years... I have had my run ins with people from ubuntu-forums over "content" of graphics,, and certainly wanted change,, this year has brought much of that change ... I really dont want anyone to leave.. | 15:59 |
| coz_ | does this jbear even come here? | 16:00 |
| vish | coz_: he lives in his own universe | 16:01 |
| coz_ | vish, mm and yet he has drawn in many people,,, myself included out of ignorance | 16:02 |
| vish | coz_: he contacts(spams) a lot of people and misleads | 16:02 |
| coz_ | vish, apparenlty | 16:02 |
| coz_ | vish, is there no solution? | 16:03 |
| vish | coz_: solution for? :) | 16:03 |
| coz_ | vish, well anyone leaving... jbear stopping or joining in as part of the community? | 16:03 |
| vish | coz_: i dont know what i can say... someone other than the usual should reply (hint hint) ;) | 16:04 |
| vish | the usual suspects* | 16:04 |
| coz_ | vish, ah I completely understand | 16:04 |
| coz_ | vish, I assume attempts have been made to discuss things with jbear as well ...yes? | 16:05 |
| vish | coz_: yep, doctormo , thorwil and myself have tried talking to him in private emails, but he does not provide answers about his actions | 16:05 |
| highvoltage | good mornign rays of sunshine | 16:05 |
| coz_ | highvoltage, hey guy | 16:06 |
| coz_ | I assume "guy" | 16:06 |
| highvoltage | yep | 16:06 |
| vish | coz_: i'm completely flabbergasted! i'm like telling people are not submitting at the right place, the place where judges will look and he ask what is the harm! o.0 | 16:06 |
| vish | asks* | 16:07 |
| vish | if noone mentioned it even now, there would have been no submissions in the actual pool and we would not have had any illustrations :/ | 16:08 |
| coz_ | vish, understood... well "if" his actions were not meant to be " competitive" or done out of malice against this group,,, then at the very least it came at the wrong time... | 16:09 |
| coz_ | and either way... the "lack" of discussion prevents any other conclusion than apathy to how things are organized | 16:10 |
| vish | coz_: that is a big if ;) | 16:10 |
| vish | coz_: if he has not understood where the submissions need to go, he should have asked iain | 16:11 |
| coz_ | damn fingers | 16:11 |
| vish | why create a new team and ask everyone to submit there.. | 16:11 |
| coz_ | vish, its clear he understands | 16:11 |
| vish | yea | 16:12 |
| coz_ | well let me put my own comments into the mailing list then | 16:12 |
| vish | thanks :) | 16:12 |
| coz_ | vish who here is actually on the "design team" ? | 16:14 |
| highvoltage | jbear lead us (edubuntu) to believe that his effort for a wallpaper was from the ubuntu-art project as a whole. perhaps at the time it was, I still don't know all the details. but I only recently came to realise (after talking to doctormo and some others) that it's definitely not the case now | 16:15 |
| vish | highvoltage: thats his MO ;) | 16:15 |
| vish | coz_: i asked iain on tuesday i think, it is logged here | 16:15 |
| coz_ | ok | 16:16 |
| vish | coz_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/15/%23ubuntu-artwork.html | 16:17 |
| vish | coz_: pls dont quote that on the ML :D | 16:17 |
| coz_ | thanks looking | 16:17 |
| coz_ | ok :) | 16:17 |
| thorwil | B-) | 16:35 |
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| vish | bah.. thats the max i can spend talking about john for the day.. | 20:16 |
| vish | anymore and i'd get insane (even more than now ;)) | 20:17 |
| thorwil | vish: you should drop out, too | 20:30 |
| vish | thorwil: yea, thinking about it as well.. better we just shut the team down | 20:31 |
| doctormo | vish: I will go when you go, but you should stay here to talk | 21:04 |
| vish | doctormo: :) the only reason i'm staying on(by a thread) right now, is to hope that people do not get misled further | 21:05 |
| vish | seriously i cannot understand why someone would be so stubborn and not sure what he is trying to achieve.. | 21:05 |
| doctormo | vish: Ah well, I've gone away to do code and I shan't be showing it to anyone or mentioning it until it's basically done. | 21:06 |
| doctormo | Because I'm sick of trying to get tools off the ground and being shot down. | 21:06 |
| doctormo | Collaboration just means pain. | 21:06 |
| vish | hehe! | 21:06 |
| vish | doctormo: have you noticed the drop in replies from the design team? they are obviously ignoring john too | 21:07 |
| doctormo | They're also a busy team | 21:07 |
| vish | yep, that too.. | 21:07 |
| doctormo | I don't think we should give up on the core idea of the art team, because we show such a bad face to open organisation to the design team. | 21:07 |
| vish | if we continue on this path, pretty soon the artwork team would be shut or merged into ayatana | 21:08 |
| doctormo | Nah, there is a very different aspect between the two. | 21:08 |
| vish | we seriously cant have one person continuously misrepresenting and spreading false info, just because he has the time to spend on this | 21:08 |
| vish | if this goes on, then design blog alone is enough.. design team can announce info | 21:10 |
| vish | and there need not be any conversations.. | 21:10 |
| vish | and no one would be able to call themselves representatives ;) | 21:10 |
| doctormo | vish: Who administers the mailing list? | 21:11 |
| vish | doctormo: kwwii i suppose | 21:11 |
| doctormo | the only way to clear this is to get john banned from the mailing list and kicked from being an Ubuntu member. | 21:12 |
| vish | doctormo: more than the mailing list. he privately contacts a lot of people | 21:12 |
| doctormo | And that would be REALLY hard | 21:12 |
| vish | doctormo: the contacting privately is the main problem, he has been going around just asking stating that he is the representative for the art team | 21:13 |
| vish | and announcing that there is this competition | 21:13 |
| doctormo | Do we have a launchpad team? | 21:13 |
| vish | doctormo: yup | 21:13 |
| doctormo | kwwii again? | 21:13 |
| vish | hmm, i think so | 21:13 |
| vish | doctormo: the part where he turns crazy is where he misleads people to his teams instead of the artwork team | 21:14 |
| vish | err, s/teams/groups | 21:14 |
| doctormo | reptilian civil service empire building. bleh | 21:15 |
| vish | doctormo: he is like a nigerian spam scammer ;p | 21:15 |
| doctormo | but worse, fishing attacks ;-) | 21:16 |
| vish | :D | 21:16 |
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