[08:55] * vish facepalms at typo should have been "Misled" [09:51] vish: having mistyped misled is a meager misstep, nothing that should make you feel miserable [09:52] :) [09:53] thorwil: i've also noticed john sends his best regards ;p [09:54] i still don't know if it's a mental deficiency, or very sophisticated trolling [09:55] heh, lets go with "mental" for now ;) [09:55] but interesting that 2 people know to make use of CC and no one else ... [09:56] leogg is a member of the regional board.. [09:56] i think the americas one [09:57] CC: carbon copy, not community council [09:57] oh! lol [09:57] hooray for abbrev. overloading. creative commons, too [15:45] well the mailing list "stuff" is distressing [15:49] vish, I assume the "member" discussed in the mailing list is jbaer ? [15:50] coz_: afaik, that is whom thorwil , doctormo and I are referring to.. [15:51] heh! the same day, we have two replies, one person saying there is no critique and another saying critique is harsh! [15:51] plain madness! :/ [15:51] vish, absolutely [15:52] vish, harsh critisism I have not witnessed [15:52] except maybe from that "evilvish" guy lol [15:52] yea.. :) [15:52] :) [15:53] i have no more patience for jbaer or his sheer stupidity [15:54] * darkmatter waves vigorously in the direction of coz_ and vish [15:54] darkmatter, hey guy :) [15:54] how very odd that he creates his own teams and expects people to come asking him to stop [15:54] as if everyone has nothing else to do.. [15:55] vish, i understand the desire to contribute... I am not quite sure I understand the move to "fork" the team... seems a bit over the top [15:55] yea.. [15:59] I have non need for control .. h ere... I have been here for years... I have had my run ins with people from ubuntu-forums over "content" of graphics,, and certainly wanted change,, this year has brought much of that change ... I really dont want anyone to leave.. [16:00] does this jbear even come here? [16:01] coz_: he lives in his own universe [16:02] vish, mm and yet he has drawn in many people,,, myself included out of ignorance [16:02] coz_: he contacts(spams) a lot of people and misleads [16:02] vish, apparenlty [16:03] vish, is there no solution? [16:03] coz_: solution for? :) [16:03] vish, well anyone leaving... jbear stopping or joining in as part of the community? [16:04] coz_: i dont know what i can say... someone other than the usual should reply (hint hint) ;) [16:04] the usual suspects* [16:04] vish, ah I completely understand [16:05] vish, I assume attempts have been made to discuss things with jbear as well ...yes? [16:05] coz_: yep, doctormo , thorwil and myself have tried talking to him in private emails, but he does not provide answers about his actions [16:05] good mornign rays of sunshine [16:06] highvoltage, hey guy [16:06] I assume "guy" [16:06] yep [16:06] coz_: i'm completely flabbergasted! i'm like telling people are not submitting at the right place, the place where judges will look and he ask what is the harm! o.0 [16:07] asks* [16:08] if noone mentioned it even now, there would have been no submissions in the actual pool and we would not have had any illustrations :/ [16:09] vish, understood... well "if" his actions were not meant to be " competitive" or done out of malice against this group,,, then at the very least it came at the wrong time... [16:10] and either way... the "lack" of discussion prevents any other conclusion than apathy to how things are organized [16:10] coz_: that is a big if ;) [16:11] coz_: if he has not understood where the submissions need to go, he should have asked iain [16:11] damn fingers [16:11] why create a new team and ask everyone to submit there.. [16:11] vish, its clear he understands [16:12] yea [16:12] well let me put my own comments into the mailing list then [16:12] thanks :) [16:14] vish who here is actually on the "design team" ? [16:15] jbear lead us (edubuntu) to believe that his effort for a wallpaper was from the ubuntu-art project as a whole. perhaps at the time it was, I still don't know all the details. but I only recently came to realise (after talking to doctormo and some others) that it's definitely not the case now [16:15] highvoltage: thats his MO ;) [16:15] coz_: i asked iain on tuesday i think, it is logged here [16:16] ok [16:17] coz_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/15/%23ubuntu-artwork.html [16:17] coz_: pls dont quote that on the ML :D [16:17] thanks looking [16:17] ok :) [16:35] B-) === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [20:16] bah.. thats the max i can spend talking about john for the day.. [20:17] anymore and i'd get insane (even more than now ;)) [20:30] vish: you should drop out, too [20:31] thorwil: yea, thinking about it as well.. better we just shut the team down [21:04] vish: I will go when you go, but you should stay here to talk [21:05] doctormo: :) the only reason i'm staying on(by a thread) right now, is to hope that people do not get misled further [21:05] seriously i cannot understand why someone would be so stubborn and not sure what he is trying to achieve.. [21:06] vish: Ah well, I've gone away to do code and I shan't be showing it to anyone or mentioning it until it's basically done. [21:06] Because I'm sick of trying to get tools off the ground and being shot down. [21:06] Collaboration just means pain. [21:06] hehe! [21:07] doctormo: have you noticed the drop in replies from the design team? they are obviously ignoring john too [21:07] They're also a busy team [21:07] yep, that too.. [21:07] I don't think we should give up on the core idea of the art team, because we show such a bad face to open organisation to the design team. [21:08] if we continue on this path, pretty soon the artwork team would be shut or merged into ayatana [21:08] Nah, there is a very different aspect between the two. [21:08] we seriously cant have one person continuously misrepresenting and spreading false info, just because he has the time to spend on this [21:10] if this goes on, then design blog alone is enough.. design team can announce info [21:10] and there need not be any conversations.. [21:10] and no one would be able to call themselves representatives ;) [21:11] vish: Who administers the mailing list? [21:11] doctormo: kwwii i suppose [21:12] the only way to clear this is to get john banned from the mailing list and kicked from being an Ubuntu member. [21:12] doctormo: more than the mailing list. he privately contacts a lot of people [21:12] And that would be REALLY hard [21:13] doctormo: the contacting privately is the main problem, he has been going around just asking stating that he is the representative for the art team [21:13] and announcing that there is this competition [21:13] Do we have a launchpad team? [21:13] doctormo: yup [21:13] kwwii again? [21:13] hmm, i think so [21:14] doctormo: the part where he turns crazy is where he misleads people to his teams instead of the artwork team [21:14] err, s/teams/groups [21:15] reptilian civil service empire building. bleh [21:15] doctormo: he is like a nigerian spam scammer ;p [21:16] but worse, fishing attacks ;-) [21:16] :D