[08:55]  * vish facepalms at typo should have been "Misled"
[09:51] <thorwil> vish: having mistyped misled is a meager misstep, nothing that should make you feel miserable
[09:52] <vish>  :)
[09:53] <vish> thorwil: i've also noticed john sends his best regards ;p
[09:54] <thorwil> i still don't know if it's a mental deficiency, or very sophisticated trolling
[09:55] <vish> heh, lets go with "mental" for now ;)
[09:55] <thorwil> but interesting that 2 people know to make use of CC and no one else ...
[09:56] <vish> leogg is a member of the regional board..
[09:56] <vish> i think the americas one
[09:57] <thorwil> CC: carbon copy, not community council
[09:57] <vish> oh! lol
[09:57] <thorwil> hooray for abbrev. overloading. creative commons, too
[15:45] <coz_> well the mailing list "stuff" is distressing
[15:49] <coz_> vish,   I assume the "member" discussed in the mailing list is  jbaer ?
[15:50] <vish> coz_: afaik, that is whom thorwil , doctormo and I are referring to..
[15:51] <vish> heh! the same day, we have two replies, one person saying there is no critique and another saying critique is harsh!
[15:51] <vish> plain madness! :/
[15:51] <coz_> vish,   absolutely
[15:52] <coz_> vish,   harsh critisism I have not witnessed
[15:52] <coz_> except maybe from that  "evilvish" guy  lol
[15:52] <vish> yea.. :)
[15:52] <coz_> :)
[15:53] <vish> i have no more patience for jbaer or his sheer stupidity
[15:54]  * darkmatter waves vigorously in the direction of coz_ and vish
[15:54] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy :)
[15:54] <vish> how very odd that he creates his own teams and expects people to come asking him to stop
[15:54] <vish> as if everyone has nothing else to do..
[15:55] <coz_> vish,  i understand the desire to contribute... I am not quite sure I understand the move to "fork"  the team... seems a bit over the top
[15:55] <vish> yea..
[15:59] <coz_> I have non need for control .. h ere... I have been here for years... I have had my run ins with people from ubuntu-forums over "content"  of graphics,, and certainly wanted change,, this year has brought much of that change ... I really dont want anyone to leave..
[16:00] <coz_> does this jbear even come here?
[16:01] <vish> coz_: he lives in his own universe
[16:02] <coz_> vish,  mm  and yet he has drawn in many people,,, myself included out of ignorance
[16:02] <vish> coz_: he contacts(spams) a lot of people and misleads
[16:02] <coz_> vish,   apparenlty
[16:03] <coz_> vish,  is there no solution?
[16:03] <vish> coz_: solution for? :)
[16:03] <coz_> vish,  well anyone leaving... jbear  stopping or joining in as part of the community?
[16:04] <vish> coz_: i dont know what i can say... someone other than the usual should reply (hint hint) ;)
[16:04] <vish> the usual suspects*
[16:04] <coz_> vish,  ah  I completely understand
[16:05] <coz_> vish,  I assume attempts have been made to discuss things with jbear  as well ...yes?
[16:05] <vish> coz_: yep, doctormo , thorwil and myself have tried talking to him in private emails, but he does not provide answers about his actions
[16:05] <highvoltage> good mornign rays of sunshine
[16:06] <coz_> highvoltage,  hey guy
[16:06] <coz_> I assume "guy"
[16:06] <highvoltage> yep
[16:06] <vish> coz_: i'm completely flabbergasted! i'm like telling people are not submitting at the right place, the place where judges will look  and he ask what is the harm! o.0
[16:07] <vish> asks*
[16:08] <vish> if noone mentioned it even now, there would have been no submissions in the actual pool and we would not have had any illustrations :/
[16:09] <coz_> vish,   understood...  well "if"  his actions were not meant to be " competitive" or done out of malice against this group,,, then at the very least it came at the wrong time...
[16:10] <coz_> and either way... the "lack" of discussion  prevents any other conclusion  than  apathy to how things are organized
[16:10] <vish> coz_: that is a big if ;)
[16:11] <vish> coz_: if he has not understood where the submissions need to go, he should have asked iain
[16:11] <coz_> damn fingers
[16:11] <vish>  why create a new team and ask everyone to submit there..
[16:11] <coz_> vish,  its clear he understands
[16:12] <vish> yea
[16:12] <coz_> well let me put my own comments into the mailing list then
[16:12] <vish> thanks :)
[16:14] <coz_> vish  who here is actually on the "design team" ?
[16:15] <highvoltage> jbear lead us (edubuntu) to believe that his effort for a wallpaper was from the ubuntu-art project as a whole. perhaps at the time it was, I still don't know all the details. but I only recently came to realise (after talking to doctormo and some others) that it's definitely not the case now
[16:15] <vish> highvoltage: thats his MO ;)
[16:15] <vish> coz_: i asked iain on tuesday i think, it is logged here
[16:16] <coz_> ok
[16:17] <vish> coz_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/15/%23ubuntu-artwork.html
[16:17] <vish> coz_: pls dont quote that on the ML :D
[16:17] <coz_> thanks looking
[16:17] <coz_> ok :)
[16:35] <thorwil> B-)
[20:16] <vish> bah.. thats the max i can spend talking about john for the day..
[20:17] <vish> anymore and i'd get insane (even more than now ;))
[20:30] <thorwil> vish: you should drop out, too
[20:31] <vish> thorwil: yea, thinking about it as well.. better we just shut the team down
[21:04] <doctormo> vish: I will go when you go, but you should stay here to talk
[21:05] <vish> doctormo: :)  the only reason i'm staying on(by a thread) right now, is to hope that people do not get misled further
[21:05] <vish> seriously i cannot understand why someone would be so stubborn and not sure what he is trying to achieve..
[21:06] <doctormo> vish: Ah well, I've gone away to do code and I shan't be showing it to anyone or mentioning it until it's basically done.
[21:06] <doctormo> Because I'm sick of trying to get tools off the ground and being shot down.
[21:06] <doctormo> Collaboration just means pain.
[21:06] <vish> hehe!
[21:07] <vish> doctormo: have you noticed the drop in replies from the design team? they are obviously ignoring john too
[21:07] <doctormo> They're also a busy team
[21:07] <vish> yep, that too..
[21:07] <doctormo> I don't think we should give up on the core idea of the art team, because we show such a bad face to open organisation to the design team.
[21:08] <vish> if we continue on this path, pretty soon the artwork team would be shut or merged into ayatana
[21:08] <doctormo> Nah, there is a very different aspect between the two.
[21:08] <vish> we seriously cant have one person continuously misrepresenting and spreading false info, just because he has the time to spend on this
[21:10] <vish> if this goes on, then design blog alone is enough.. design team can announce info
[21:10] <vish> and there need not be any conversations..
[21:10] <vish> and no one would be able to call themselves representatives ;)
[21:11] <doctormo> vish: Who administers the mailing list?
[21:11] <vish> doctormo: kwwii i suppose
[21:12] <doctormo> the only way to clear this is to get john banned from the mailing list and kicked from being an Ubuntu member.
[21:12] <vish> doctormo: more than the mailing list. he privately contacts a lot of people
[21:12] <doctormo> And that would be REALLY hard
[21:13] <vish> doctormo: the contacting privately is the main problem, he has been going around just asking stating that he is the representative for the art team
[21:13] <vish> and announcing that there is this competition
[21:13] <doctormo> Do we have a launchpad team?
[21:13] <vish> doctormo: yup
[21:13] <doctormo> kwwii again?
[21:13] <vish> hmm, i think so
[21:14] <vish> doctormo: the part where he turns crazy is where he misleads people to his teams instead of the artwork team
[21:14] <vish> err, s/teams/groups
[21:15] <doctormo> reptilian civil service empire building. bleh
[21:15] <vish> doctormo: he is like a nigerian spam scammer ;p
[21:16] <doctormo> but worse, fishing attacks ;-)
[21:16] <vish> :D