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duanedesignnUboon2Age: hello02:35
nUboon2Agehowdy duanedesign!02:35
duanedesignnUboon2Age: how have you been?02:36
seidoscause and effect02:36
nUboon2Agelifes been kinda rough frankly duanedesign.  broke my arm, my gf broke up with me and continues to give me grief.  My birthday is on Sunday.02:37
seidosdang, how'd you break your arm?02:38
nUboon2Agei fell off my electricycle.  i'm much better now.  that was more than a month ago.02:39
duanedesignnUboon2Age: sorry to hear. Had not seen you around as much lately and was thinking about you.02:39
nUboon2Agethank you duanedesign.  i think you are awesome!!!02:41
nUboon2Ageit was a hairline fracture and is healing up now.02:41
seidoswow, you must've been going fast02:44
nUboon2Agenot really that fast, but it was rainy and slick and i made a stupid newbie mistake of turning too quickly and i slipped on a pile of wet leaves. seidos, duanedesign02:49
nUboon2Ageit was probably 15 mi/hour or so02:49
duanedesignugh02:49
duanedesignI have somehow managed to never break a bone02:49
duanedesignnUboon2Age: I notice you are using google wifi?02:50
seidosnUboon2Age: i crashed on my motorcyle once.  took a turn wrong, almost ran into a divider, broke to not crash into the divider, still move, fell off.02:50
seidosdidn't break anything though, just tore my pants, and my knee02:51
duanedesignnUboon2Age: you are in Mountain View?02:55
nUboon2Ageyes sir duanedesign right at the moment.  someday i'll get streaming going so that we can include you in Ubuntu Hour wherever you are. :-) sardonyx02:58
nUboon2Ageseidos: ^02:58
duanedesignaha03:00
duanedesignwell that is coo, I did not know that03:01
duanedesigncool*03:01
duanedesignnUboon2Age: have you been able to make it to any Ubuntu events in the area? I know pleia and jono are in that area03:02
pleia2nUboon2Age: *runs* lots of events!03:03
duanedesign:)03:03
seidoswhat we need are ubuntu parties.  not enough ubuntu partying going on if you ask me03:04
* pleia2 is not at his ubuntu hour tonight, for shame03:04
seidosactually, i should've went to that party in hollywood.  not going was a fail on my part, but i'm trying to be "sustainable"03:04
nUboon2Ageyes i create 4 Ubuntu Hours per month in Silicon Valley and i've been up to Berkeley to a Jono jam event and something that jdeslip/grantbow did and come to pleia2's Ubuntu Hour in SF.03:06
duanedesignwow, that is too awesome!03:06
seidosnUboon2Age: i missed you at pleia2's event.03:07
seidosthe one that went to while i was up there03:07
nUboon2Agei didn't make it that mo. unfortunately seidos03:07
nUboon2Agei've made most of them since i started coming seidos, but missed a couple03:08
seidosdrat.  well, i will probably drive back up in May.  i want to stay at abhayagiri monastery at least once03:08
nUboon2Agelooking forward to it seidos03:13
duanedesignseidos: that sounds nice03:16
* Geocosm strangles Virtualbox.04:48
* JackyAlcine helps Geocosm by tying it down to a table.04:48
GeocosmI'm trying to add a "hard disc drive" for windows xp. I added it, and booted up, and windows said yey new hardwarez installz0ring. Except there's no new HDD in My Computer.04:51
GeocosmThe OS "HDD" is WinXP.vdi, 10 gigs, IDE Primary Master. The drive I'm trying to add is NewHardDisk1.vdi, 20GB, IDE Primary Slave.04:52
GeocosmI originally made the drive dynamically expanding, but I'm trying to install a game and it's telling me I don't have enough space on the drive. grrr04:56
JackyAlcinetry changing it from dynamically allocating to a fixed size drive.05:01
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GeocosmI tried that, but it crashes. It just sits there at 0% and then it turns black and white.05:08
GeocosmI still haven't figured out why things turn black and white before they crash.05:08
GeocosmCrash imminent! Must remove all colors!05:09
JackyAlcine=/05:19
trinikronoCant you tell it to custom install to the new drive assuming that it shows up in the my computer?05:19
trinikronohello JackyAlcine05:20
JackyAlcineo/05:20
GeocosmThat's what I'm trying to do, Trinikrono.05:22
GeocosmUnfortunately the new drive is not showing up when I boot the virtual machine.05:23
trinikronowhich game05:23
trinikronooho05:23
GeocosmI'm trying to install Starcraft II so I can rip the files off windows and play it on Linux.05:23
trinikronoO.o05:23
GeocosmIt won't install on Linux it tells me I have bad hardware.05:23
GeocosmIt says it needs amd or something. Which is dumb. Because it worked just fine when I had Windows XP installed on this machine.05:24
GeocosmI found a guide on how to add a new hdd to virtualbox but it's incredibly outdated and nothing looks the same. It seems like this has been set up to be simple, but windows is being a pain about it.05:25
trinikronoGeocosm: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20882 <------you run using wine ?05:25
GeocosmThe first time I booted into xp it said it found the hard drive.05:25
GeocosmAnd it claimed to be installing it. Then it minimized to the tray and disappeared.05:25
trinikronoGeocosm: is it under comuter management05:26
trinikrono*computer05:26
GeocosmYou mean add hardware?05:26
GeocosmAdd Hardware lists two separate discs, and claims both are in perfect working order.05:26
GeocosmOpen up My Computer -- just a C:/ drive05:26
trinikronono05:27
trinikronoi mean right click on my computer then manage05:27
trinikronothen disk management and see what it says about partitions and stuff05:27
trinikronoyou might need to intialise and format that new drive05:27
Geocosmaha!05:29
GeocosmYou're a genius.05:31
GeocosmI'm a bit ashamed, I didn't even know about this.05:31
GeocosmMaybe I should join #windows-beginners lol05:32
trinikronoGeocosm: i am not sure if starcraft2 will work in a virtual box though05:33
trinikronohow do other games work for you05:33
GeocosmNo I'm not running it in the VM.05:33
GeocosmI'm installing it in Windows so I can cut/paste the files into Linux and run the installer with wine.05:34
GeocosmI mean the launcher.05:34
trinikronoGeocosm: okie05:34
GeocosmI don't quite have enough ram to run games in a virtual machine. 4GB DDR3.05:35
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GeocosmThere's a way to make wine run a program without sound, right? I tried unchecking all the drivers and I still have sound.07:58
GeocosmAlso the Test Sound button says "Audio test failed!"08:00
bioterrorwine uses your sounds, I think08:00
bioterrormute your linux sounds :D08:01
GeocosmWell I don't just want it muted.08:01
GeocosmI think the sound is what is crashing my game.08:01
Geocosm"err:mmdevapi:ACR_ReleaseBuffer Starting from 1014"08:01
GeocosmI want to disable the sound completely to see if I still crash.08:01
bioterrorhttp://forum.winehq.org/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=03f4021ec0dd2a5ac0719347376f82c008:02
Guest36096Hey Guys and Girls, I'm having some problems installing alien arena from  source code. Can anyone help me? I've tried following instructions online but didn't get anywhere :(10:13
s-foxHello.14:10
seidosHello.14:11
s-foxHello seidos :)14:12
s-foxHow are you  ?14:12
seidosHello s-fox , what's going on?14:12
seidoscause and effect14:12
seidosi am presently trying to solve euler914:13
s-foxI'm alright thank you14:13
seidosgood to hear :D14:13
s-fox:)14:14
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mutsahi! my networkmanager applet trys to find/connect to some network, but it ends saying "The network connection was terminated". When clicked, the applet shows the networks available, but i'm not able select any. I reinstall the networkmanager and the networkmanager applet, I searched the web, but i couldn't find a solution. Anyone can help?14:35
holsteinmutsa: questions14:38
holsteinhas it ever worked?14:38
holsteinit = that particular wifi device14:38
holsteinand you say 'some network'14:38
holsteindoes that mean you have tried multiple access points?14:38
holsteinif so, eleborate...14:39
mutsayes at beginning, but the applet use to disappear when the connection was lost, so i try to reinstall it14:39
holsteini dont think the applet is the issue14:39
holsteinif memory serves14:39
holsteinthe icon changes into something else14:40
holsteinwhen the wifi network disconnects14:40
holsteina different little picture14:40
holsteinmutsa: IF the device used to work14:40
holsteinand you did a system update14:40
holsteinthen, it didnt14:40
mutsawhen the network disconnects it don't change, just "close"14:40
holsteintry rebooting14:41
holsteinhit the shift key14:41
holsteinand select an older kernel14:41
holsteinsee if the wifi device acts as expected14:41
holsteinthen, you'll know where to begin14:41
mutsahum, ok, i'll try it now, tks14:41
seidosmutsa: when you searched the internet did you include your wifi device's make/model?14:42
seidosthat may prove useful in your search14:43
mutsa@seidos   no i didn't, i assumed the problem is not with the device cause in previous versions of ubuntu never had a problem14:44
mutsai'll try the hokstein sugestion first14:44
mutsatks all14:44
seidostoo bad.  there may be others with his hardware and using his version of ubuntu having the same problem14:46
* seidos shrugs14:46
RicazHow come #ubuntu-beginners-help is invite only?14:50
MrChrisDruif-help??????14:50
holsteina better question, why is there an #ubuntu-beginngers-help14:50
holsteinis there one?14:50
JackyAlcineo.O14:51
Ricazwell, the website told me to go there14:51
MrChrisDruifWhich website?14:51
seidosRicaz: because this is the channel you should come to for help14:51
javatexanI have a printing question14:51
JackyAlcinethere is, and it's invite-only.14:51
Ricazaha, I just didn't see the need for both of them14:51
seidosjavatexan: feel free to ask.  if someone can answer, they will.  if not, ask again later :)14:51
Ricazanyway, I need help - I have no audio, and I've been looking for linux drivers all over, but couldn't find any14:52
javatexanI have the network printer setup in cups and it shows up in the printer admin app.  My problem is that each time I print it asks for a network user and password, is there a way to set that forever?14:52
javatexanI have done some google searches, but no luck14:52
seidosRicaz: drivers typically are built into the kernel.  what sound chip?14:53
javatexanI think I had this setup before, could an update have killed it>14:53
seidosjavatexan: i'm not sure how much help i can be.  i've used tcp/ip printers in the past, and they worked fine, without a username and password14:53
RicazI'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure of my motherboard model: Gigabyte GA-879A-UD314:53
holsteinRicaz: open a terminal and run 'aplay -l' and 'arecord -l'14:53
Ricazalright14:54
holsteinyou can put that info at http://paste.ubuntu.com/14:54
javatexanits the printserver here, it requires user and pass14:54
holsteinjavatexan: what is running the printserver?14:54
holsteina windows machine?14:54
holsteinor is it standalone?14:55
javatexanits a windows server14:55
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holsteini think you're going to want to read up on samba14:55
seidosRicaz: welcome back14:55
Ricaz:D14:55
javatexank thanks14:55
holsteinOR configure the server for more open-ness14:55
Ricazforgot that my irc client was running in terminal14:55
holsteinIF thats ok in your environment javatexan14:55
javatexanholstein: wish I could, I really do14:56
seidosirssi \o/14:56
Ricazwhat were the commands again?14:56
javatexanLOL14:56
seidosRicaz: aplay -l and arecord -l14:56
Ricazthx14:56
Ricazaplay -l returns "no soundcards found"14:56
Ricazsame with arecord14:56
holsteinRicaz: pastebin lspci14:56
holsteinor http://paste.ubuntu.com/14:57
Ricazhowever, in my audio settings, I can see the little slider from my microphone move when I make noise, so it must work14:57
seidosgreetings mr-tux14:57
Ricazwill do14:57
holsteinRicaz: interesting14:57
mr-tuxHello seidos :)14:58
seidosRicaz: did you try to actually record something and play it back?14:58
Ricazhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/568766/14:58
Ricaznope14:58
Ricazwell, i just noticed, the microphone doesn't trigger anymore14:58
holsteinRicaz: there is a different mixer14:59
holsteinfor pulse14:59
mutsa@holstein  i try your sugestion, it didn't work. the problem stills the same, since i've install ubuntu 10.04 i'm getting this problem. the networkmanager applet keeps with a exclamation mark on it14:59
holsteinif you want to intstall it14:59
Ricazbut I tried following some guides and installing the drivers on my own, obviously not very successfully though14:59
holsteinsudo apt-get install pavucontrol14:59
holsteinmutsa: but it used to work fine?14:59
holsteinmutsa: can you wire up to internet and make sure you have all available system updates?15:00
Ricazi'm very new, i just had ubuntu installed when my win7 installation started hating me15:00
holsteinRicaz: what guides?15:00
holsteindo you have links?15:00
mutsait used to work fine with wired network, because the connection didn't lost15:00
holsteinRicaz: 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Cypress HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5800 Series]15:00
holsteinthat could be an issue somehow15:01
Ricaznot really, I downloaded one from Realtek's website, and just follwed a guide on how to install stuff from .bz2 since i was clueless15:01
holsteincan you disable that HDMI out in the bios?15:01
holsteinfor troubleshooting purposes?15:01
RicazI can try, never knew what it was for15:01
seidosmutsa: what wifi device is it?15:01
mutsaholstein: yes, the system is update.15:01
Ricazwhen i did that aplay -l ealier, it returned something15:02
seidosRicaz: when earlier?  different version of ubuntu?  what version are you using now?15:02
Ricazno, like 15m ago, and no, I've never been using anything but this, which I suppose is the latest15:02
Ricazafter i tried manually installing drivers, the aplay listed nothing15:03
holsteinthis = ?15:03
holstein10.10 32bit?15:03
holstein64bit?15:03
Ricaz32bit15:03
mutsaseidos: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)15:03
mutsa03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)15:03
Ricazwhy is my ethernet controller from realtek? o.o15:03
seidosmutsa: let me search the web to see if anyone else is having a similar problem with your hardware on 10.0415:04
holsteinRicaz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1593095&page=415:04
holstein^^ relavant thread it seems15:04
* holstein bbl...15:05
mutsaseidos: tks a lot15:05
seidosmutsa: i found this link, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1488997 reading it now15:05
Ricazi tried installing alsa15:05
holsteinRicaz: you mean updating asla?15:06
RicazI .. guess15:06
holsteinlink what all you have done15:06
seidosholstein: are the sound modules/drivers included with alsa, or with the kernel?15:06
holsteinif you can15:06
holsteinin the kernel AFAIK15:06
holsteinbut, there is an update script for alsa15:07
holsteinand backports15:07
holsteinboth of which are plausible fixes15:07
Ricazfirst, I downloaded drivers from the realtek website, which contained "alsa-driver-1.0.24"15:07
holsteinyou dont want to beat your head against the wall though15:07
RicazI tried installing that, but it gave me some errors15:07
holsteinRicaz: i think it would be helpful to have those errors15:07
Ricazi can try installing it again, then15:08
holsteinand the page where the drivers came from15:08
mutsaseidos: tks15:08
holsteinbut, i gotta run for a bit 4 realz...15:08
seidosmutsa: it might help to *paste* the output of sudo lshw to see what module the 3945ABG is using and then search for that15:09
Ricazhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149309315:09
Ricazthis was the thread i looked at15:09
Ricazhttp://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&G15:09
Ricazthis was the driver i downloaded15:09
seidosRicaz: if you do sudo lshw it should show what module/driver is being loaded for your sound chip15:10
seidosif any...15:10
seidosRicaz: you could try doing something like sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel and see what happens15:10
Ricazill start scrolling through that, then15:10
seidosRicaz: just skim for "multimedia" or "audio"15:11
seidosor search for those keywords15:11
Ricazyeah, i can only find two15:12
Ricazand both are from ATI15:13
mutsaseidos: should i paste it here?15:13
seidos!paste | mutsa15:13
ubot2mutsa: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.15:13
Ricaz sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel does nothing15:14
RicazI will do a quick restart, brb15:14
seidosRicaz: try lsmod | grep snd15:14
* seidos is thinking15:14
mutsaseidos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/568770/15:15
seidosRicaz: there is a way to restart alsa...i think sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart15:15
seidosit's a longshot, but it may do something15:15
Ricazhow do you make the vertical line in there? lol15:15
seidosmutsa: have you tried disabling wireless and reenabling from the network applet?15:16
seidosRicaz: shift \15:16
Ricazcommand not found for the restart15:16
seidosRicaz: mea culpa, it's sudo /sbin/alsa-utils restart15:17
Ricazwhat should that do?15:18
seidosRicaz: you can also try sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload15:18
Ricazit restarted it, though15:18
mutsaseidos: i can't the applet is like "locked". The option to disable or enable the network is "lock"/disable. not even wireless or wire connection15:18
seidosRicaz: well, it should reload the alsa stack i believe15:18
seidosmutsa: you could try killing the applet, and restarting it.  pkill nm-applet  then alt-f2 nm-applet15:19
Ricazokay, so i ran the lsmod | grep snd and it returned a bunch of stuff15:19
Ricazwhat am I looking for?15:20
mutsaseidos: doesn't fix, still with the exclamation mark15:20
seidosRicaz: well, some driver is getting loaded.  oh, did you scroll through sudo lshw?  it should show what device driver is being used for your multimedia device15:20
seidosmutsa: you could try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart , but that doesn't really affect wireless.15:21
seidoshmmm, i'm out of ideas right now mutsa.15:22
* seidos thinks15:22
Ricazhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/568779/ this is my lshw15:22
mutsaseidos: already tried it :S15:22
seidosmutsa: you could do sudo rmmod iwl3945 then sudo modprobe iwl394515:23
mutsaseidos: that's ok, tks for the patience15:23
seidosthat's more an act of desperation than a thought out solution though15:23
Ricazthis is what I get when i do the lsmod snd thing http://paste.ubuntu.com/568780/15:23
seidosRicaz: i'll take a look15:23
seidosif you have any ideas for mutsa's issue i'm all ears15:24
mutsaseidos: still the same :S15:24
mutsaseidos: a printscreen of the applet should help?15:26
seidosmutsa: i'm checking launchpad to see if anyone has created a bug already15:26
Ricaz"Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website." - This is what Gigabyte has to say about linux drivers -.-15:26
RicazI will do a quick restart to see if it fixes things, brb15:27
Ricazi'm back15:30
seidosRicaz: i saw, was trying to search launchpad15:31
seidosfor mutsa's problem ( i search for yours, but only found hits with driver=HDA)15:31
seidos*searched15:31
RicazI have no idea what to do15:35
RicazI wish I could just start over15:35
seidosRicaz: i know what you mean.  has it ever worked in any ver. of ubuntu?15:36
Ricazno, this is the first time I'm ever using ubuntu15:36
Ricazthe only reason i booted it was to get windows working again, but now i kinda like it here15:36
seidosRicaz: i know what you mean.  it isn't always easy getting a system working.  i'm glad i'm using ubuntu now15:37
seidosi've been relatively lucky with hardware support, though.  especially since Toshiba doesn't officially support linux15:38
seidosi need to try killing nm-applet to help with mutsa's problem.  brb15:39
Ricazalright15:39
seidosmutsa: it is strange that you can't pkill nm-applet and restart it15:40
seidosback15:40
seidoswell, there's a driver loaded, i'm not sure why alsa isn't playing nice with it.15:41
mutsaseidos: i can kill it, but after restart it stills not working15:41
seidosmutsa: ah15:41
Ricazis there a list of hardware that works properly with ubuntu?15:41
seidosmutsa: what if you sudo rmmod iwl3945 then restart nm-applet?  does it still not work?15:42
mutsaseidos: when running sudo service network-manager stop && sudo service network-manager start    the applet is refreshed but ends up the same15:42
seidosRicaz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecommendedHardware15:43
mutsaseidos: still not working15:44
seidosmutsa: what about pkill nm-applet and then nm-applet again after sudo rmmod iwl394515:44
mutsaseidos: i did: sudo rmmod iwl3945, then sudo pkill nm-applet, then nm-applet, then sudo modprobe iwl3945,  and didn't worked15:46
AceRimmerneed a how-to for compiling for a different kernel version  then what i'm currently booted on15:46
mutsaseidos: that way didn't worked either15:46
mutsaseidos: i reinstall the networkmanager and the applet, and didn't work for me. it is strange, cause it worked just fine in previous ubuntu versions15:47
seidosmutsa: it worked in previous version of ubuntu though?  you should create a bug in launchpad.15:47
mutsaseidos: yes, it worked.  hum, ok15:48
mutsaseidos: is there anyway i could connect to wireless networks? i doing it to the wire networks.15:49
seidosmutsa: i'm sure there is a way.  it used to work.  i just don't know what the problem is.15:50
seidoswork=function15:52
mutsaseidos: but is there another way i could connect to wireless networks as i do to wire? to wire networks i use "dhclient eth0"15:52
Ricazseidos > sudo alsa force-reload    returned this    http://paste.ubuntu.com/568784/15:52
Ricazany clue?15:52
seidosmutsa: ohhhh.  maybe.  do a search for "connect to wireless command line ubuntu"15:53
mutsaseidos: ok ok, tks a lot ;)15:53
seidosRicaz: it looks like alsa isn't recognizing the HDA driver that is loaded.15:54
seidosRicaz: you're using 10.04?  you might try upgrading alsa to the newest version, let me find the link for how to do that15:55
seidos!alsa15:55
Ricazi'm using 10.1015:55
ubot2If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.15:55
seidosRicaz: you should consider trying 10.04, if you have a usb stick or a spare cd.15:56
Ricazhow do i downgrade, then?15:57
JackyAlcineo/ ddecator15:57
seidosRicaz: you could try with a live usb to see if sound works, if it does, then you would have to reinstall.  is your /home directory on a separate partition?15:59
Ricazi don't know much about linux directories, but they should all be on the same partition16:00
mutsaseidos: i think i cannot create a bug in launchpad. I already logged in, and the option to report is disable, my problem?16:00
seidosRicaz: i think / and /home *should* be separate by default.  it makes it easier when reinstalling a different version16:01
seidosmutsa: try "ubuntu-bug nm-applet" from alt-f216:01
Ricazim pretty clueless on the linux directories part, really16:01
Ricazi suppose "/" is root16:01
Ricazbut I have no idea of how it structures anything, as I've been a windows user all my life16:02
seidosRicaz: no worries.  i'm clueless about tons of stuff.16:02
seidosRicaz: there's an option during install to mount directories to a specific partition.  i'm pretty sure windows doesn't have this capability.16:03
Ricazexactly, which is why i wouldnt know much about it16:03
Ricazalso, ubuntu has tons of filesystems it supports, and i'm only familiar with FAT32 and NTFS16:04
seidosRicaz: i didn't know much about it until i heard about it from the peeps here, then tried installing that way16:04
Ricazi have a usb stick that might contain a windows trojan, would it be safe to plug it in here?16:04
seidosRicaz: i'm not that familiar with the different filesystems.  i tend to use the newest ext filesystem though16:04
Ricazyeah, that should be what I'm using :)16:05
seidosRicaz: i couldn't think why it wouldn't be.16:05
Ricazokay, thanks16:05
Ricazi'm just really uncomfortable when I try browsing around here16:06
RicazI go to the file explorer, and I just get confused16:06
seidosRicaz: what do you mean "here"?16:06
Ricazin ubuntu16:06
Ricazi mean, where am I when i'm in home? can't i see filepaths in the explorer?16:06
seidosah, yeah, i'm still learning about that.  it makes some sense16:07
seidosat least more than before16:07
seidoshome is /home/$USERNAME16:07
Ricazwhich would be what translated to a  windows filepath?16:07
seidosi see directories in nautilus (the explorer)16:08
Ricazor do they not relate at all?16:08
seidoswell, i'm not sure if translation is such a good idea16:08
seidosif you are trying to learn a new language, you're supposed to do the translating later i believe16:08
pedro3005no u16:09
seidosi think because it doesn't exactly translate perfectly16:09
Ricazbut are these not similar to the ones in windows?16:09
seidospedro3005: no u...buntu16:09
johnny77Ricaz: I don't mean to interrupt but here is a link about some differences between Windows and the Ubuntu equivalents. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows16:09
seidosRicaz: similar, yeah, i guess.  /home/$USERNAME has your Music, Documents, folders like this16:09
Ricazhey, cool johnny77, i've been looking for something like that16:10
seidosjohnny77: ^ 516:10
Ricazso there are no real drive letters and stuff like that here? I can see that my other partitions/hard drives are located in /media/Games for example16:12
seidosRicaz: yeah16:12
Ricazokay, that clarified alot for me16:13
Ricazim almost finished downloading 10.4 now, what do you recommend i do when I boot? do i need to overwrite this installation?16:14
seidosRicaz: just boot from installation media, and see if sound functions16:15
seidosRicaz: if it does, install over existing install.  i have heard you shouldn't have any problems installing over an existing install of ubuntu.16:16
Ricazso audio should just work right away?16:17
seidosand it should leave /home intact16:17
seidosRicaz: yes16:18
Ricazi doubt it will ever do that16:18
Ricazright now it can't even detect any audio hardware16:18
Ricazbut if it does that next time, i will return :)16:18
seidosRicaz: well, there is always creating a bug, then going from there16:19
holsteinRicaz: i think you should try a few things16:21
holsteinwith the audio issue16:21
holsteinfirst thing16:21
holsteinupdate the system after install16:21
holsteinmaybe the kernel will have an update that will help16:22
holsteinthen, you can go forward or back with alsa16:22
holsteineither backports16:22
holsteinor, upgrade alsa16:22
Ricazhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10054115&postcount=4316:23
holsteinim going to say the backport would be most likely on that hardware16:23
holsteinRicaz: OH16:23
holsteinis that you :)16:23
RicazWho? On the forum? no16:23
RicazI was just wondering what he meant16:23
holsteinit seems that mainline kernel has support for his device16:24
holsteinRicaz: thats your device as well right?16:24
seidosthat was in 10/31/201016:24
Ricazwhats a mainline kernel?16:24
holsteinRicaz: i would try that16:24
holsteinbefore you wipe16:24
holsteinand/or reinstall or anything16:25
Ricazeasy now16:25
holsteinmainline is pretty much the upcoming kernel16:25
holsteini think its the proposed upcoming kernel to be released16:25
seidosi haven't figured out how to install different kernels from the kernel ppa yet16:25
seidosi have been distracted by other things16:26
holsteinapt-get them :)16:26
holsteini usually just try and get the .debs though16:26
RicazI was just looking at that thread for solutions16:26
holsteinbecause for me, its usually a temporary thing16:26
RicazAnd he said something worked, but I had no clue what anything he said meant16:26
holsteinRicaz: open a terminal16:26
holsteinrun16:26
holsteinuname -a16:26
holsteinand paste that...16:27
RicazLinux ubunTOSS 2.6.35-25-generic-pae #44-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 21 19:01:46 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux16:27
holsteinSO16:27
holsteinwe are looking at a fix16:28
holsteinfrom an older kernel16:28
Ricaz.. to this one?16:28
holsteinwhich supports the backport idea i proposed16:28
holsteinyou have a 2.6.3516:28
holsteinand that mainline kernel from that older post16:28
holsteinis a 2.6.3216:28
holsteincould be that during the move forward16:29
holsteinsupport for your device has been taken out16:29
seidosholstein: sadly, that isn't helpful.  i would need an entire example for what to put on the $ line16:29
holsteinseidos: wget the .deb16:29
holsteinand use dpkg :)16:29
holsteinin theory*16:29
seidosholstein: that isn't apt-get16:30
holsteinright16:30
seidosi'll read the email i got from the kernel ppa team16:30
holsteinif you want to add the PPA16:30
holsteinyou would need to run sudo apt-add-repository whatever...16:30
Ricazokay, I think I'm going to try and follow seidos' advice and reroll to 10.416:31
holsteinbut, i usually dont for temporary packages like that16:31
holsteinRicaz: try a live CD16:31
holsteinthose are such a handy tool16:31
Ricazwhat IS a live CD?16:31
holsteincoming from windows, this was quite progression for me16:31
holsteinmost of the linux installer discs are live CD's as well16:32
holsteinwhich means16:32
holsteinyou can run the OS from CD or DVD or USB16:32
holsteinor whatever16:32
holsteinlive16:32
MrChrisDruifYou can boot up and try the system before installing16:32
Ricazi come from windows, i've been "using" linux for a couple of hours16:32
holsteinwithout effecting your current machine setup16:32
Ricazokay, i'll try that16:32
holsteinthe hard drive will not be changed16:32
Ricazi just made a USB drive16:32
seidosRicaz: cool!  \o/16:33
Ricazthanks for your help then, i'll probably return soon o/16:33
holsteinRicaz: come ask it that gets fiddly16:33
holsteinusually easy though :)16:33
holsteingood luck16:33
seidoslive usbs are nifty16:33
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Ricazhey again16:42
Ricazso my live USB disk didn't work. "Unknown keyword in configuration file: gfxboot"16:44
Ricaz"vesamenu.c32 not a COM32R image"16:44
Ricazbut! now my sound hardware is back, without sound16:45
holsteini usually format those USB sticks each time16:47
javatexanfixed it, had to delete the printer and remake it... :(  almost reminded me about my time in captivity while using windows17:03
RicazHello, I need some help. I recently had to format my other PC to re-install Windows 7, but everything really screwed up and the USB drive I had the win7 installer on has been corrupted. I need to know if there are apps to create bootable USB drives for win7 on Ubuntu?20:06
RicazAnother thing is, I need to get the .iso from my PC, so I put in an Ubuntu USB installer and tried to boot directly from it, but after the initial loading screen, the screen just failed to find any input (screen went blank).20:07
bioterroruse windows cd to repair windows partitions20:09
bioterroror dvd20:09
RicazI did try that at first, but my whole installation had been corrupted, so I wanted to re-install Windows.20:10
seidosRicaz: couldn't get ubuntu functioning on your hardware?20:16
Ricazwell, as i wrote, when i launched it from the usb, the screen just went blank20:19
Ricazthen i tried it on my laptop, and it loaded it 10x as fast and had no problems at all20:19
Ricazeverything works perfectly on this20:20
Ricazbut i need to get windows back on my other PC, so i want to get the win7 iso from that PC, then make a bootable USB stick from ubuntu to install win7 from20:20
bioterrorI would use gentoo or arch livecd which comes without X20:21
Ricazwithout X?20:24
Ricazim a complete noob when it comes to linux20:24
Ricazwhat i need is something I can put on a CD or USB drive, that will let me boot my PC and take a file from the hard drive and put that on a media.20:28
holsteinRicaz: you can do that with any live CD20:29
holsteinany of the normal buntu live install meida20:29
holsteinmedia20:29
Ricazthe problem is, i put in my ubuntu live USB, and when i tried booting ubuntu, screen went blank after loading20:30
holsteinRicaz: have you ever seen the desktop?20:30
holsteinfrom the live media?20:30
Ricazyes, on my laptop I have, but not on the PC20:30
RicazI get to the menu where i can choose whether I want to start ubuntu, install it, run a memtest etc20:31
holsteinwell, the machine in question20:31
holsteinOK20:31
holsteinRicaz: at that menu20:31
seidosRicaz: did you type help at the prompt when you booted from live usb?20:31
holsteinthere are options at the bottom20:31
holsteinF6 is one20:31
seidossometimes you can just type "live" to start up the live usb20:31
holsteinwhen you hit F620:31
Ricazi didnt see anything20:31
holsteinyou'll see options in there20:31
Ricazbefore that menu comes up?20:31
holsteinRicaz: which disc is this?20:32
Ricazill start it up again, one second20:32
holstein10.10?20:32
Ricazit is 10.4 on a USB drive20:32
holsteinthat should be right20:32
Ricazit is, i just installed ubuntu on this machine from it20:32
holsteinwhat you're interested in (i think)20:33
holsteinis nomodeset20:33
Ricazyes, i saw that20:33
holsteinunder that f6 menu20:33
Ricazi dont know what you mean about the f6 menu, i wasn't prompted20:33
holsteinwhen you see20:33
Ricazokay, im starting it up now, with the usb20:33
holsteininstall ubuntu20:33
holsteintry ubuntu live20:33
Ricazgoing to the boot menu20:33
holsteinmemory test20:33
holsteinwhatever else20:33
holsteinafter selecting language20:34
holsteindown at the bottom there20:34
Ricazim there. a big white ubuntu logo and those options20:34
holsteinshould be several options20:34
holsteinF6 is one20:34
Ricazthere are no options20:34
Ricazit says "press enter to boot or tab to edit a menu entry"20:34
Ricazi can take a picture for you, if you'd like20:34
holsteinnah20:34
holsteinits because of the USB20:34
holsteinhmmm20:34
holsteinmight be worth burning a disc over20:35
holsteinthats a good test20:35
holsteingood thing to know20:35
bioterrorwhy not just edit the bootline and add into the end nodemoset20:35
bioterrornomodeset20:36
bioterroreven20:36
Ricazi should burn a dvd now?20:36
bioterrorit doesnt matter20:36
Ricazwhats this suggestion, bioterror?20:36
bioterrorusb or dvd20:36
Ricazexcuse my cluelessness20:36
holsteinbioterror: of cours20:36
holsteinmy brain is made of mush now20:36
bioterrorbut I think Kernel Mode Settings is not the issue20:36
Ricazyou want me to edit a meny entry?20:36
bioterrorricaz, is your desktop pc built from the scratch or is it by some manufacturer20:37
Ricazmenu even20:37
holsteinbioterror: what is the equivalent to force-vesa20:37
holstein?20:37
Ricazbuilt from scratch20:37
bioterrorRicaz, which gfx card you ahve?20:37
bioterrorhace20:37
bioterrorhave20:37
RicazATI Radeon HD587020:37
Ricazi saw people having issues with this on nvidia cards though20:38
Ricazthey fixed it with the nomodeset thing20:38
bioterroryeah20:38
bioterrorwhen you boot20:38
bioterroryou get that grub20:38
bioterrorLinux 2.6.35 or something20:38
bioterrorand if you press E as edit20:38
seidosso the problem isn't with wanting to create a windows 7 live usb, that's a +20:38
bioterroryou can add "nomodeset" without "" into the end of the boot line20:39
bioterrorwhere's vmlinuz-asdasdasd ro splash quiet20:39
bioterrorseidos, problem is to get stuff out from that computer which cant get desktop working20:39
holsteinO I C20:40
holsteinyeah, if you're not planning on installing ubuntu on that machine Ricaz20:40
holsteinyou can find friendlier fail-safe live media20:41
Ricazi dont get that grub20:41
bioterrorwith Trinity Rescue Kit you can mount all media and samba share them ;920:41
bioterrornot a bad idea20:42
holstein^^20:42
holsteinthats a great idea20:42
bioterrorit's in the boot options20:42
holsteinif you want to install ubuntu on there20:42
holsteinthen, you'll have to tackle this grahics issue at some point20:42
holsteinassuming its a graphics issue*20:42
Ricazwell20:43
Ricazwhat i really need right now20:44
Ricazis to grab that file from the hard drive20:44
Ricazand i only have a laptop with buntu and a USB drive at my service20:44
holsteintrinity rescue kit is handy to have around20:44
holsteinthat or http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/20:44
holsteinor something like puppy20:44
Ricazwhatever is easiest20:45
holsteinwell, it depends20:45
holsteinmostly on what you are used to20:45
Ricazim not used to any of this20:46
Ricazim used to windows20:46
holsteinyeah, so you gotta learn about something anyways20:48
Ricazso which would i choose20:48
Ricazsomething i can put on a USB20:48
holsteinhttp://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ is my go-to20:48
holsteinfor the hard drive tools20:49
holsteinvendor hard drive tools20:49
holsteinbut, trinity has some more advanced resuce tools20:49
seidosRicaz: did you try typing *help* when you boot the ubuntu live usb?20:52
seidosRicaz: or "live"?20:53
Ricazwhere can i type?20:54
Ricazholstein, so with UBCD, how do I make that bootable from USB?20:55
holsteinRicaz: i use unetbootin20:57
holsteinhttp://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/20:57
holsteinits in the repos20:57
Ricazwill it let me do what i need?21:00
Ricazhow do i list all my drives and what they're called?21:11
holsteinRicaz: you got options21:11
holsteinthats for sure21:11
holsteinRicaz: in the terminal21:12
holsteinsudo fdisk -l21:12
Ricaz/dev/sdb1 could be my usb drive?21:12
holsteincould be21:12
Ricazso, now i just use unetbootin to make whatever live media i want, and that will let me extract the iso i need from my other pc?21:13
holsteini use unet to make bootable USB sticks21:14
holsteinnot everything works21:14
holsteinbuntu's work well21:14
Ricazill try ubuntu first, then we'll see if it works better than the one i have now21:14
seidosRicaz: i thought there might be a prompt when you attempt to boot21:16
Ricazwell, i don't see any21:16
seidosRicaz: it's happened where a live usb won't boot off the bat, but typing live, or live install will get it to work21:17
seidosRicaz: 121:17
Ricazi dont see where you would type that, though21:17
Ricazi just start my pc, go to the boot manager and pick the live usb, then it takes me to the screen where i can choose between installing or running, and memtest etc21:17
seidosRicaz: so you're able to boot the live usb?21:21
Ricazif by boot you mean reach the menu, then yes21:23
Ricazseidos, but i cant start nor install ubuntu from it21:23
seidosRicaz: i meant completely boot it.21:24
Ricazi can't enter ubuntu from it, no21:24
seidosRicaz: so when it errors, there isn't a prompt that you can type in?21:24
Ricazit doesn't error, my screen just goes blank after the loading if i try to install or start ubuntu21:25
Ricazthe only place i can type is when i hit TAB to edit the menu entries, then i can edit the commands for each button21:25
seidosRicaz: ah, it goes blank.  i didn't take what you said literally enough earlier.21:26
seidosand it's a 10.04 live usb?  never seen that before.21:26
Ricazyep21:27
Ricazdownloaded from www.ubuntu.com21:27
Ricazi'm downloading a 10.10 right now, to see if that works21:27
Ricazbut earlier you suggested some stuff about using a command; can't i just edit one of the buttons in that menu to execute those?21:28
krogithhi everyone, not sure if I am in the right room or not but I am pretty much brand new to the whole linux and ubuntu thing and I am trying to get my printer (epson stylus NX215) working but have had no luck, I was wondering if anyone was available to help21:28
holsteinhey krogith :)21:29
holsteinwelcome21:29
holsteinis the printer plugged into the computer via USB ?21:30
seidosRicaz: can you do an md5sum check on the 10.04 iso?  that might have something to do with the error.  weird.  never seen that before21:30
seidosi have gotten HP printers to work, there was a printer that i used...it might have been an epson.  i finally got it working.  i had to press the "page feed" button to get it to print21:31
seidosbut it finally did21:31
Ricazseidos, i'm currently putting 10.10 on the USB, so if this one doesn't work, i'll do that21:32
seidosRicaz: did you make the usb stick from a 10.10 install?21:33
seidosthat reminds me, i need to make a 10.04 live usb for my mom's notebook21:33
seidosi think she may want to dual boot21:34
Ricazthis install is 10.4, i'm using UNetbootin to make a 10.10 usb stick21:34
seidos10.0421:36
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TonyStarkI am IronMan.22:00
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lvnvgcinstalled 10.10 dell laptop xps hdmi dont work. terminal typed xrandr. said hdmi is disconected how to connect . thinkyou22:08
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FanshaweHello. I can't get Empathy to connect to an MSN chat account. I'm sure I have the right password and settings, because those settings work on Pidgin from another computer.22:20
MrChrisDruifFanshawe: Empathy from default repos?22:22
FanshaweYes. Maybe I've missed an update?22:23
MrChrisDruifI don't know if they put that update through...22:23
MrChrisDruifMSN protocol got some updates or something since 10-10-1022:24
FanshaweI'm updating my empathy packages and retrying...22:24
FanshaweStill no dice.22:26
RicazAnyone know how to install nvidia display drivers? on the website it gave me a .run file and told me to use "sh <filename>" to install, but my terminal just returns "couldn't open file"22:26
Ricaznevermind, didn't know file was case sensitive22:28
MrChrisDruifRicaz: .run? Anyways, I think you should right click > properties > Permissions > Allow executing as program22:28
FanshaweStill nothing over here. Are there any other updates I should perform?22:28
MrChrisDruifRicaz: In Linux EVERYTHING is case sensitive :)22:28
MrChrisDruifFanshawe: Did you add the empathy ppa?22:28
RicazMrChrisDruif, that should be the same, I can only open it in terminal, though. Now it complains about me running an X server, which I also don't know what is.22:29
MrChrisDruifRicaz: X server is used for you graphical environment22:32
MrChrisDruifRicaz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_server22:32
FanshaweMr.ChrisDruif: empathy ppa?22:33
RicazSo, to fix it I need to ctrl+alt+f2 and disable that, then run that file again, and enable X once more?22:33
MrChrisDruifRicaz: Did nvidia provide an readme file?22:33
Ricaznot really, but other people seems to have the same problem22:33
Ricazcan i still paste from clipboard if I go to ctrl+alt+f2?22:34
MrChrisDruifRicaz: It should....otherwise you can reboot, it should restore to gnome :)22:34
MrChrisDruif!ppa22:35
ubot2A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk.22:35
MrChrisDruifFanshawe: ^22:35
FanshaweThank you. Are you talking about a particular PPA?22:38
MrChrisDruifYeah, the one of empathy :)22:38
GSTgot a quick question if anyone's up for it?22:39
RicazWhy is it so damn hard to install drivers?22:39
MrChrisDruifFanshawe: https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa and this ppa from it: ppa:telepathy/ppa22:40
MrChrisDruifRicaz: Didn't Ubuntu invite you to install proprietary drivers in the beginning?22:40
MrChrisDruifGST: Sure, shoot22:40
Ricazbut I have no idea if they're the newest22:41
GSTLooking for an app (may not have been official) that enabled Admin/Sudo for 15 minutes at a time, thought it would come in useful as I re-install programs over the next few days. I found something when I was using Wubi, but today I went ahead and shrank my partition to give 100GB for a "real" ubuntu partition.22:41
MrChrisDruifRicaz: Probably not the bleeding edge, but still good enough right?22:41
MrChrisDruifGST: Why do you need it? :)22:42
MrChrisDruifDefault is 5 mins...22:42
GSTThat works, so long as I can avoid typing in the password22:42
GSTI have nothing against it as I'm a fairly fast typer, it's just a transitional thing22:43
MrChrisDruifGST: If your "really" want to prolong it, why not do sudo su? You go into super user mode22:43
lvnvgcinstalled ubuntu 10.10 dell laptop xps hdmi port dont work. at the terminal i typed xrandr. said hdmi is disconnected how do i connect hdmi port. thankyou22:44
GSTThanks, I'll look into it, I'm not all that well-versed in terminals/command prompt logic yet, but I'm working on it ; )22:44
aveilleuxGST: You can also use sudo -i instead of sudo su22:45
MrChrisDruifaveilleux: sudo -i?22:45
MrChrisDruifInteractive?22:45
aveilleuxMrChrisDruif: Exactly22:45
MrChrisDruifAnd that prolongs it as well?22:45
aveilleuxMrChrisDruif: Yes, it's essentially sudo su except you're running as yourself with elevated privileges rather than root22:46
MrChrisDruifAlright...22:46
GSTI'll give that a shot.22:46
MrChrisDruifGST: As you see I'm no terminal wizard yet :P22:47
FanshaweI updated the MSN connection manager package. Hanging on 'Connecting...' but I think I'm getting there.22:48
GSTYeah, I've done a little navigating, not much else though.22:48
GST@ lvnvgc - did you install the proprietary laptop / video-card drivers (if your XPS has a dedicated card) I'd think that that may be necessary22:49
MrChrisDruifFanshawe: Great to hear :)22:49
MrChrisDruifXPS is eXtreme Performance System if I'm not mistaken...so your probably right GST22:50
FanshaweStill hanging. I'm a bit stumped.22:50
lvnvgcI Installed them22:50
GSTWell, it depends Chris.  I used to have an XPS, I just hope the quality's gone up since 2009.22:51
MrChrisDruifFanshawe: I prefer Pidgin above Empathy anyway O:-)22:51
aveilleuxEmpathy is not very good :/22:51
GSTI like it so far, but I'm not a very social person, so I wouldn't know.  Simple, easy to use, good basic package =O22:53
MrChrisDruifaveilleux: +122:53
MrChrisDruifGST: So is Pidgin ;)22:53
FanshaweTrue, but I like all the integration in Ubuntu.22:53
GSTSame22:54
MrChrisDruifWhat does Empathy that Pidgin doesn't? :)22:56
MrChrisDruif(It's going a bit offtopic thou)22:56
GSTI think that the main thing is that it's just bundled w/ Ubuntu for inital-use integration that makes it attractive, besides being a cross-IM client.22:58
MrChrisDruifGST: Pidgin "used" to be the default :) And not only is it cross-IM, it's also cross-platform :)22:59
GSTWell no one was arguing about the capabilities, lol.  I think my best friend uses Pidgin anyhow.23:00
GSTIs it possible to manually install video drivers? Mainly configuring Lutris (for emulation) & POL at the moment23:00
lvnvgci will try im a beginer thankyou23:03
JackyAlcineaveilleux: +123:03
GSTlvnvgc > Administration > Additional Drivers23:04
lvnvgclspci -nn | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:29c2] (rev 10)23:05
MrChrisDruifI hope I helped everyone ( GST, Fanshawe, Ricaz ) ok tonight, otherwise I hope that others can help you :)23:05
GSTG'nite Mr. Chris23:05
Ricazyou sure did, thanks for your patience :) gnite23:05
MrChrisDruifAlways a pleasure Ricaz :)23:06
MrChrisDruifBye :D23:06
FanshaweWhoops, missed my chance to say thanks.23:08
FanshaweThanks anyway, MrChrisDruif, where ever you may be.23:09
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