[00:02] <TheMuso> Yay, new laptop doesn't even want to suspend using the NVIDIA gpu with nouveau, and suspends, but doesn't resume with the Intel gpu.
[00:04] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ok, thanks
[00:06] <RAOF> TheMuso: :(
[00:06] <TheMuso> RAOF: Yeah, I expected as much with nouveau, but didn't with intel. Time to find out what I need to give the kernel guys to get things fixed.
[00:10] <TheMuso> Actually, I'll wait to try out the new kernel first, once it filters down to the mirror I'm using, (working away from home today.)
[02:37] <TheMuso> RAOF: Yay, I await that mesa upload with anticipation. :) Want to try unity on nouveau+experimental dri.
[07:16] <didrocks> good morning
[08:08] <Sweetshark> Good morning!
[08:14] <sabdfl> morning all
[08:15] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark, morning sabdfl
[08:15] <sabdfl> didrocks! thanks for diving deep into unity :-)
[08:15] <sabdfl> i filed a quickie today, would you mark it bitesize and see if someone is interested to take it on?
[08:15] <sabdfl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/721121
[08:15] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 721121 in nautilus "Icon in Launcher should be home folder icon" [Undecided,New]
[08:16] <didrocks> sabdfl: you're welcome :-)
[08:16] <didrocks> sabdfl: sure, looking
[08:16] <didrocks> oh right, that can be an easy bitesize one, adding to the list :)
[08:36] <didrocks> Sweetshark: not sure if you noticed, I've opened bug #720716
[08:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 720716 in libreoffice "Please add unity Quicklist support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720716
[08:42] <Sweetshark> didrocks: taken
[08:42] <didrocks> Sweetshark: I tried to be explicit on the wiki page, do not hesitate if you need any help :)
[08:43] <didrocks> Sweetshark: you can look at gnome-utils (gnome-screenhost) as an example
[08:49] <Sweetshark> didrocks: Im currently still on bug #696527, bug #712725, bug #696524 and a few minor ones, but I will have a look
[08:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 696527 in libreoffice "LibreOffice - Human icons theme disabled, patch needs an update" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696527
[08:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712725 in libreoffice "NLPSolver extension not available" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712725
[08:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 696524 in libreoffice "LibreOffice - launchpad-integration disabled, patch needs update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696524
[08:51] <didrocks> Sweetshark: sure, no hurry :)
[09:08] <huats> morning
[09:12] <didrocks> salut huats
[09:16] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:16] <didrocks> good morning rodrigo_
[09:28] <slomo> seb128: hi, is anybody working on getting gst-plugins-bad and gst-plugins-ugly updated in natty? people are complaining already ;)
[09:29] <seb128> slomo, hey, dunno
[09:29] <didrocks> good morning seb128
[09:29] <seb128> you can try asking #ubuntu-motu
[09:30] <slomo> seb128: will do... and otherwise i'll update them myself
[09:30] <seb128> slomo, thanks
[09:54] <Sweetshark> sooo ... if i want an unmodified debian package in a ppa, cant i just dput it there?
[09:56] <bryceh> Sweetshark, pretty much
[09:56] <Sweetshark> k
[09:56] <bryceh> Sweetshark, I think it may need to be targeted to e.g. 'natty' rather than 'experimental' or 'unstable' or whatever
[09:58] <Sweetshark> bryceh: ah, true.
[09:58] <bryceh> Sweetshark, so do a 'dch -rebuild "Rebuild for PPA" --distribution natty'
[09:58] <bryceh> I think that'd do it
[09:59] <bryceh> or just 'dch -i' and fix up a rebuild by hand
[10:01]  * Sweetshark wonders why he cant find the package on packages.debian.org. http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/nlpsolver_0.9~beta1-4.html says it is uploaded for unstable.
[10:18] <seb128> Sweetshark, because the NEW queue is not public
[10:19] <seb128> Sweetshark, things in there have not been reviewed and couldn't respect some licenses or not be distributable
[10:19] <seb128> so they are not available to download to the public, only the people reviewing NEW have access to it
[10:22] <Sweetshark> seb128: yep, i walked right into the dragons dungeon (#debian) to find out. I was not even flamed and received a friendly answer.
[10:22]  * Sweetshark has to update his stereotypes.
[10:22] <seb128> ;-)
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128!
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[10:26] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks
[10:26] <seb128> how are you?
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i'm good thanks
[10:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - bug 721113 btw - we get quite a lot of these types of reports against firefox. they always turn out to be that the user installed some proprietary application that comes with a bundled version of nspr that ends up in the ld search path
[10:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 721113 in nss "evolution: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libnssutil3.so: undefined symbol: PL_ClearArenaPool" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721113
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> i just close them now ;)
[10:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, I was not sure, usually I suspect local installations but the library path was the standard one and I'm not sure what library provides the undefined symbol
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, the symbol is actually provided by nspr rather than nss
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> it's in libplds4.so
[10:31] <seb128> ok, if I'm not lazy I usually ask for a ldd log ;-)
[10:31] <chrisccoulson> heh
[10:31] <chrisccoulson> i could do, but i know what it will look like already ;
[10:31] <seb128> I've been lazy there and just bounced to the next component ;-)
[10:31] <seb128> hehe
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> i think some users installing adobe air end up with this problem
[10:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, we need a way to auto detect those ;-)
[10:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, that would be good
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> perhaps apport can catch these ;)
[10:35] <rodrigo_> hey seb128 :)
[10:36] <seb128> rodrigo_, how are you?
[10:37] <rodrigo_> seb128, fine thanks, and you?
[10:37] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[10:37] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you have any clue what could cause bug #719739?
[10:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 719739 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719739
[10:38] <seb128> rodrigo_, the user says he's not using the ppa but natty...
[10:38] <seb128> not sure what could try to bring gtk3 in
[10:38] <rodrigo_> hmm, seems that's the one from the ppa, which indeed seems to need a rebuild
[10:38] <seb128> rodrigo_, well he's convinced he's not using the ppa though
[10:39] <rodrigo_> hmm, maybe a gsd plugin that links to gtk3?
[10:39] <rodrigo_> although that doesn't make sense, we don't have any, right?
[10:39] <seb128> do you know of any?
[10:39] <rodrigo_> no
[10:40] <seb128> ok, I just wanted to check in case
[10:40] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[10:40] <rodrigo_> he swears he's not using the ppa, but it looks to me that he is
[10:40] <seb128> would be nice if g-s-d would go down as soon as one of the .so it loads crashes
[10:40] <seb128> wouldn't
[10:40] <seb128> rodrigo_, yeah, I will ask for some details
[10:40] <rodrigo_> seb128, just asked him to run apt-cache policy g-s-d
[10:41] <seb128> great, thanks
[10:41] <rodrigo_> is there any way to ask for a rebuild for all packages in the ppa?
[10:41] <seb128> no, you need new uploads
[10:42] <rodrigo_> ok
[10:42] <seb128> soyuz doesn't handle binary rebuilds
[10:42] <seb128> that sucks a bit for transitions
[10:42] <rodrigo_> yes
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> nice, firefox has a new theme for beta 12, to fit better with our dark theme: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/theme.png
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> not so sure about the dark tabs though
[11:11] <Laney> you could vote for 245594 if you want launchpad to support binary rebuilds :-)
[11:19] <RAOF> I'm surprised that bug has such a high number!
[11:49] <njpatel> RAOF, Ping, had a few questions re: natty + Ati
[11:49] <njpatel> RAOF, in natty, are there both free and non-free Ati drivers available, or just free?
[11:49] <RAOF> In natty, as of now, just free.
[11:49] <njpatel> is the ETA for non-free the same as nvidia? i.e. a few weeks away?
[11:50] <RAOF> Pretty much.  The dates are NDA'd, of course.
[11:50] <njpatel> well, weeks/months whatever
[11:50] <njpatel> "who know's" I guess
[11:50] <njpatel> okay, so we just need to wait
[11:51] <njpatel> RAOF, so for A3, the only thing we can really do is make fixes for intel and radeon I guess (unity)
[11:51] <RAOF> Yeah.
[11:52]  * njpatel re-milestones bugs to reflect that
[11:52] <njpatel> RAOF, thanks dude
[11:52] <RAOF> And nouveau if you feel particularly frisky, but we're not officially supporting that.
[13:01] <Sweetshark> anyone interested in a reliable way to crash banfdaemon?
[13:05] <didrocks> Sweetshark: can you send if via apport?
[13:07] <mterry> seb128, the other day, you were talking about liboobs being deprecated and that I should use the new method that GNOME 3.0 uses?  But it appears that such support is provided by gnome-settings-daemon 3.0, which we don't have
[13:07] <seb128> mterry, ?
[13:08] <mterry> seb128, I thought.  I looked briefly at the new 3.0 panel code, and it appeared they were using dbus calls to settings-daemon
[13:08] <seb128> mterry, right, the polkit interface is there in 2.32
[13:08] <seb128> mterry, that's what gnome-panel clock applet is using
[13:08] <mterry> seb128, really?  oh, I missed that...  will look again.
[13:09] <seb128> mterry, dpkg -L gnome-settings-daemon | grep date
[13:09] <mterry> seb128, oh right, we went over this.  :)
[13:10] <seb128> mterry, ;-)
[13:10] <mterry> seb128, do you know of a good replacement to liboobs for configuring ntp?  seems like that service doesn't provide that functionality
[13:11] <seb128> no
[13:11] <seb128> but seems like something we should add to this service if it's needed
[13:11] <rodrigo_> the one in g-s-d 3.0
[13:11] <seb128> or talk to upstream about adding
[13:11] <seb128> rodrigo_, oh, they did in the new gsd?
[13:11] <Sweetshark> didrocks: no -- "an error during error reporting"
[13:11] <mterry> rodrigo_, you're saying the 3.0 version does ntp?
[13:11] <rodrigo_> seb128, afair yes, it has the ntp bits
[13:11] <seb128> let's do some backporting then ;-)
[13:11] <rodrigo_> let me re-check
[13:12] <Sweetshark> didrocks: It happens when I smoketest LO :(
[13:12] <didrocks> seb128: what's the error apport is giving to you?
[13:12] <seb128> didrocks, ?
[13:13] <rodrigo_> mterry, seb128: yes, it does ntp
[13:13] <didrocks> grrr, autocompletionfail
[13:13] <didrocks> Sweetshark: ^^
[13:13] <seb128> mterry, rodrigo_: org.gnome.settingsdaemon.datetimemechanism.policy.in:  <action id="org.gnome.settingsdaemon.datetimemechanism.configurentp">
[13:15] <seb128>                 if (!g_spawn_command_line_sync ("/sbin/service ntpd status",
[13:15] <mterry> seb128, delightful, will backport
[13:15] <seb128> seems they hardcoded the rh path though
[13:15] <seb128> but should be easy to backport and get working
[13:15] <seb128> mterry, thanks!
[13:18] <Sweetshark> didrocks: hang, Im just doing a fresh build ...
[13:18] <Sweetshark> didrocks: ("just" measured in terms of Libreoffice builds)
[13:18] <didrocks> heh
[13:20] <Sweetshark> didrocks: is there anything in bamf related to java? Because I also get a JVM crash at the same time.
[13:20] <didrocks> Sweetshark: nothing javaish, no
[13:21] <Sweetshark> Evil LO lets everyone else crash but happily churns on itself ...
[14:53] <seb128_> mvo, do you have any opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/language-selector/lp-533159/+merge/50265 ?
[14:54] <rodrigo_> hmm, getting again a failure when configuring python2.7-minimal, I recall having fixed that, but don't remember how I did, any idea?
[14:57] <rodrigo_> E: pycompile:240: Requested versions are not installed
[15:01] <rodrigo_> hmm, found this -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=600536
[15:01] <ubot2> Debian bug 600536 in python-minimal "python2.7-minimal: fails to configure: E: pycompile:240: Requested versions are not installed" [Normal,Fixed]
[15:01] <rodrigo_> so, how can I manually add 2.7 to the list of installed python versions?
[15:02] <rodrigo_> right, that's the problem indeed, pycompile -V 2.7 complains with the same error
[15:04] <rodrigo_> ok, found it -> /usr/share/python/debpython/version.py
[15:05] <cyphermox> bbl, going to the office...
[15:25] <czajkowski> folks may be interested http://j.mp/eOHQhR
[15:46] <boulabiar> hi !
[16:02] <seb128> ok
[16:03] <seb128> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/689034 has a trivial merge request for you
[16:03] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 689034 in update-manager "Missing space in line 40 & 70" [Undecided,In progress]
[16:03] <seb128> mvo, it's just 2 typo fixes in strings
[16:03] <seb128> would be one less item on the sponsoring queue ;-)
[16:08] <mvo> will do
[16:09] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[16:10] <mvo> done
[16:11]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[16:11]  * mvo hugs seb128
[16:15] <seb128> mvo, do you have any clue about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/711896
[16:15] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 711896 in update-manager "Upgrade to Natty fails to install xserver-xorg-core" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:20] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[16:20] <seb128> Sweetshark, bug #696527, do you have any idea when that will land in natty?
[16:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 696527 in libreoffice "LibreOffice - Human icons theme disabled, patch needs an update" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696527
[16:22] <mvo> seb128: on a bug rampage, eh?
[16:23] <seb128> mvo, weekly release team meeting, I'm covering for pitti and patch piloting as well
[16:23] <mvo> seb128: that bug (the xorg one) is a bit of a puzzle as apt runs dpkg with the option to automatically deconfigure on break
[16:25] <seb128> mvo, it has no duplicate as well, I'm wondering if that's really worth tracking as a natty issue
[16:26] <mvo> is it possible to see who nomiated it ?
[16:26]  * mvo hopes its not him
[16:26] <seb128> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/711896/+activity
[16:26] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 711896 in update-manager "Upgrade to Natty fails to install xserver-xorg-core" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:26] <seb128> mvo, skaet
[16:28] <mvo> hmmmm
[16:28] <mvo> ok
[16:33] <Sarvatt> mvo: possibly because x-x-v-v4l wasn't rebuilt against the new abi at the point of time he tried to update
[16:34] <Sarvatt> keeping the old xserver around because upgrading it would break the new one since abi 8 was still around
[16:34] <mvo> Sarvatt: that sounds plausible
[16:38] <seb128> vish, there?
[16:51] <Sweetshark> seb128: Im on it. Unfortunatly the current human icons are a mess (~7000 icons, and no difference between modified and "original" items). So "different" icons could be an upstream update or a real costumization. And we really do not want to add a theme, which reintroduced OpenOffice.org branding to Libreoffice. That would embarass us, Libreoffice and Oracle all in one turn ....
[16:51] <vish> seb128: hey..
[16:52] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok
[16:53] <seb128> vish, hey, are you arguing on this bug that the nautilus desktop icon should be user directory one?
[16:53] <Sweetshark> seb128: but I am currently working exactly on that.
[16:53] <seb128> Sweetshark, great, no hurry I was just doing a status update for the weekly release team meeting (covering for pitti since he's not there)
[16:53] <vish> seb128: the home icon that mark wants already exists,
[16:54] <vish> seb128: if we change the system-file-manager icon to a home icon it would be shown wrong elsewhere too
[16:54] <seb128> vish, should the other be a symlink to it then?
[16:54] <seb128> vish, where is elsewhere?
[16:54] <Sweetshark> (source code modification is done and works -- see the ppa version -- all you have to do is drop a images_human.zip at the right location). Its the content of that zip, that is problematic ...
[16:55] <vish> seb128: off the top of my head, on the panel > the fileprogress icon and in the dialogue window which shows the file progress.. not sure where else it gets displayed, i'd have to think :)
[16:57] <seb128> vish, well I'm trying to figure if he wants the icon to be changed only the in the launcher, or in any nautilus launcher including the classic GNOME menus or if that includes the nautilus icon in switcher as well
[16:57] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok, gotcha, thanks for the update!
[16:58] <vish> seb128: he mentions only the launcher icon, and that the icon needs to open home directory.. so its just similar to the user home icon in the panel's places menu
[16:58] <seb128> ok, not sure how to do that
[16:59] <seb128> the launcher matches to a .desktop, we can't modify it only for the launcher
[16:59] <vish>  didrocks mentions that it could be changed there..
[16:59] <seb128> guess we could add another nautilus-unity.desktop for it
[17:00] <vish> yea, probably
[17:00] <seb128> vish, well, we could update the .desktop yet, but the .desktop is used in the standard GNOME menus, in the places list, etc
[17:00] <seb128> "yes" not "yet"
[17:00] <didrocks> clicking on nautilus.desktop will open the home folder
[17:00] <vish> right, so best would the nautilus-unity.desktop
[17:02] <vish> s/the/be
[17:24] <vish> seb128: so what do we do for that bug? switch to unity (again)? :)
[17:25] <vish> didrocks: ^
[17:25] <didrocks> vish: no, the theme sounds the right one to me
[17:25] <vish> didrocks: that would change the icon in the file progress window. :s
[17:26] <didrocks> vish: the file progress window have an arrow on it?
[17:26] <vish> yup..
[17:26] <vish> it been that way since a long time :)
[17:27] <didrocks> hum…
[17:27] <didrocks> I'm puzzled
[17:27] <didrocks> vish: can we discuss that on Monday? I need to discuss a regression for on #ubuntu-devel :p
[17:27] <vish> ok,sure.. :)
[18:11] <bcurtiswx> i have chrome set as my default browser, but links i click in empathy/gwibber etc.. all keep bringing up firefox
[18:12] <seb128> speaking of which
[18:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, on first start firefox complains it's not the default browser on natty, known issue?
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i need to apply my gnome 3.0 patches
[18:13]  * micahg thought that was part of how the new gnome-c-c handles defaults
[18:13] <seb128> well, firefox is the default in the defaults.list
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> micahg - firefox is still using the old gconf settings for the default browser check
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> ^^seb128 too :)
[18:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, ok
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - mozilla bug 611953
[18:14] <bcurtiswx> well Chromium as my default browser
[18:14] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 611953 in Shell Integration "GNOME 3.0 readiness" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611953
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> basically, that's not going to make it for firefox 4, but we will backport those patches
[18:14] <vish> bcurtiswx: there is a bug in LP about the chrome not opening links
[18:15] <vish> bcurtiswx: iirc, the xdg browser (or something) needs to be updated
[18:15] <bcurtiswx> vish, OK, great.
[18:59] <maxb> (maverick) palimpsest and nautilus seem to be hallucinating a 4.1GB ext4 filesystem on /dev/loop1 that doesn't exist as far as mount and losetup are concerned, and I have no idea what it could be. Any suggestions for discovering where this phantom volume came from?
[19:41] <lamalex> Hey, I see that libgl1-mesa-dri-expermental was updated recently. Any way to tell if it will still segfault on a nvidia 320m?
[20:44] <seb128> don't upgrade natty on amd64 today
[20:44] <seb128> eglibc seems to have an issue
[21:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - thanks, i was just about to upgrade ;)
[21:25] <seb128> heh
[21:25] <seb128> you probably can't, the binaries got blocked on the server
[21:32] <Amaranth> Yeah, I was just upgrading and saw the 404
[21:32] <Amaranth> phew
[22:14] <fta> "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in IconTexture::~IconTexture()".. reporting