[00:00] didn't see his name as leaving Haqqkcb> Libux is the kkk [00:00] uRock_: I took care of it [00:00] k [00:02] We're still really high on bans, compared to the purge in early Nov [00:02] 32 more are about to go [00:02] but yes, we are [00:02] I just added one :( [00:03] all done. [00:03] rww: i will be very happy if you are able to hl me before doing bunch of unban/unquiet :) [00:03] niko: I will do in the future. I set off some alarm? [00:04] rww, floodbot bans are entirely the problem, yes. There needs to be something built in to remove floodbot bans older than a certain time period imho. [00:04] rww: only on my client :) [00:04] niko, why on earth do you have a highlight set on unbans/unquiets? [00:05] it's not hl, but more trigger, -mode_channel -command 'hlw [$C] ${mode_type}${mode_char} ${mode_arg} by $N $M' [00:05] hlw send message to my hilightwindows [00:06] so i got in my hl win : [00:06] 2011/02/18 01:03:01 [#ubuntu] -b *!*@76.73.16.122 by rww [00:06] 2011/02/18 01:03:01 [#ubuntu] -b *!*@CPE00222d7dedea-CM00222d7dede6.cpe.net.cable.roger by rww [00:06] etc [00:06] often i got the win num too [00:06] I still don't get why you're highlighting those. [00:07] Likely because its handy to know if someone is being banned/quieted in a bunch of channels. [00:07] When hes wearing his freenode staff hat. [00:07] elky: when someone raise network issue that appears clearly with that [00:07] Pici, and because he's doing that, we have to notify him especially...? [00:08] elky: /me shrugs [00:08] elky: it's just a request, i can live with that :) [00:12] Heh. Assuming our ban rate is constant over time, that cleanout got us a little under a month. [00:14] hm. [00:17] elky: wouldn't be too hard for me to add that to my list of stuff I do every so often. Any thoughts on $time_period? [00:21] rww weekly really. [00:25] works for me [00:26] we used ubotu-fr in #ubuntu-fr which handle ban expiration, like eir could do, and lift them by bunch [00:34] removing all FloodBot bans my client can see that are over a week old gets us back another 27 ban slots, fwiw [00:54] s/fwiw/ftw/ [00:55] niko: is there an ubotu-qc that yells "TABERNAC!" ;) [02:40] Logan_WP called the ops in #ubuntu () [02:42] fixed ^ [02:44] Are there more people ban evading than normal, just a few particular people, or am I just now noticing how common it is? [02:44] It's pretty common. [02:45] You're figuring how common it is. [02:55] SpeedrunnerG55 sounds like sonic again. [02:56] In #ubuntu, KXTwo said: ubottu, that is the smartest thing ive seen you say [02:58] Hostmaks looks different, but "17:36 < SpeedrunnerG55> no one ever goes to #fun". [02:58] yeah, that's the comment that set sonic off. [02:58] pretty sure they're different people [02:59] Ahh. I used /lastlog and so I missed the context. [03:00] People are not liking the "Please don't say "google-it" in #ubuntu, phew [03:25] ihack4fun is very well a potential troll in #ubuntu [03:35] Interesting now Yanks has been removed, and has come back to find he was also quieted :) [03:37] !staff | Yanks (~yellowblu@166.186.168.179) is back [03:37] Yanks (~yellowblu@166.186.168.179) is back: hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :) [03:40] Uhhhhh. [03:40] How the bajeebus did that invert my selection? [03:40] How do I kick someone from a channel again? It's been so long I've forgotten the syntax [03:41] hahaha [03:41] halps putting these back [03:41] woooah, what is going on. [03:41] Also, I can't ever get chanserv to op me in here. [03:41] h00k, xchat inverted my selection. [03:42] that didn't work... [03:43] I'm inclined to leave the rest off unless there's good reason otherwise. They're dynamic. [03:43] ok [03:44] They'll earn it back soon enough. [03:44] Meanwhile, geez xchat, how the hell did you manage that. [03:44] * Jordan_U imagines ubottu spamming PMs like crazy about the bans. [03:44] Jordan_U, I don't think he spams about removes. [03:44] Only niko seems to get annoyed by that. [03:45] elky: Yes, but I would expect ubottu to spam about everything that was just "un"removed :) [03:46] Jordan_U: it does [03:46] Nope. It only pmspams us for comment. [03:46] and I am not commenting them [03:46] That's all I meant. [03:49] I just thankful elky didn't do that in #ubuntu [03:49] I'm* [03:50] Yeah [03:50] Who are the comcast and twcny bans for anyway [03:51] who remembers [03:51] * rww munches [03:51] * rww looks up at scrollback [03:52] elky: switch to a nice non-clicky client! [03:52] h00k: you don't have ops in here [03:52] Ah tcwny was a recent one. [03:52] rww: no, you don't. [03:53] rww: I know I don't :) [03:53] comcast was yankeesfan, is that hoober? [03:53] h00k: y u go 03:41:48 <+h00k> Also, I can't ever get chanserv to op me in here. then [03:53] rww: Well, it's true, I can't! [03:53] elky: is who hoober [03:53] elky: yankeesfan aka Yanks in #freenode asking for a kline [03:53] I thought the 166.186 pair was yankeesfan (matches the host of my recent /remove) [03:54] IdleOne, hah [03:54] rww: I also can't get chanserv to op me in a /query with you to kick you. DOnno why that doesn't work... ;) [03:56] * rww blinks, looks down, goes back to munching [03:56] rww: mission accomplished :) [03:58] IdleOne, just so you know, if it's possible to keep someone out with a descriptive ban, then do so, it makes it easier to understand which bans here should be lifted since only notable exceptions should be permabanned in this channel. [03:59] lol [03:59] And if a descriptive ban can't keep them out, add a second descriptive one so we can tell who has run out of chances [04:00] /msg ubottu comment last_8_bans fixing elky's booboo [04:00] Can anyone do something about Yanks in -devel? I don't have access there. [04:00] IdleOne, i mean a ban with a nick/ident that's obvious about who it is. [04:00] sure thing [04:00] Thanks. [04:00] IdleOne, and I'm referring to the ip.then.isp.domain bans [04:01] but then they change their nick or ident and come back in? [04:01] I got him in -devel [04:02] rww, you've missed some lines. [04:02] rww, And if a descriptive ban can't keep them out, add a second descriptive one so we can tell who has run out of chances [04:03] huh. k. [04:03] when I set a ban in here it is because I have no intentions of removing it. If I do plan on removing it I know when to remove it. [04:04] what is the limit for bans per channel? [04:05] IdleOne, hundreds. But we don't want to obstruct the large majority of people from discussing issues with us. [04:06] /mode #ubuntu-ops +q *!*@* [04:06] /mode #ubuntu-ops +e $a:rww [04:06] perfect! [04:06] does that mean we can all /part now? [04:06] but we all have +v [04:06] /mode #ubuntu-offtopic +q *!*@* [04:06] tsimpson: sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [04:06] elky: I did that once! It was fun! [04:07] isn't it just! [05:23] Hey guys, seems like someone trolled on #ubuntu-motu [05:24] yeah there's been whack-a-mole on that guy for like a week [05:25] maco: and that channel lacks sophisticated monitoring [05:26] yeah there are few ops in the dev channels [05:26] most of the Ubuntu IRC advanced monitoring is carbon-based anyway [05:26] trolls on developer channels are very rare [05:27] but when they do come, its irritiating [05:32] Well, don't forget that the IRCC also has access. And if no Ubuntu OPs or members of the IRCC are around, you can always go to freenode staff for help [05:34] from the access list it seems there's pretty good op coverage for most timezones [06:39] avis, hi [06:40] sorry, out of here [07:43] @btlogin [07:44] hey Hobbsee [07:44] hiya Madpilot :) [07:53] How can I make an ubuntu cluster? [07:56] by a machine. install Ubuntu on it. lather. rinse. repeat. [07:56] *buy [08:37] topyli: tervetuloa [08:37] kippis! [08:53] does anyone know who blackxored is ? [08:54] ikonia: http://twitter.com/blackxored ? [08:55] maybe, I meant actually know him eg: "he's bob, he's on the ubuntu marketing team, he draws the logos" [08:56] Cuban LoCo Team lead IIRC [08:57] ah, thank you [09:56] ikonia, Sorry, i missed your reply yesterday. I don't think i have ops in -server, so couldn't really help anyway. :( [11:33] Daviey: not a problem [15:50] is there a command or what have you for reporting spam with !ops? [15:50] uRock: you missed the | symbol [15:51] k, thanx [16:38] In ubottu, Logan_WP said: !forget ff3rc [16:42] In ubottu, Logan_WP said: !forget king [17:20] In ubottu, novoid said: checked and is OK === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [19:37] just like always i love you [19:37] i will never forget you my memory [19:37] kick reason to the curb and just follow me [19:38] i am always watching you [19:38] up ahead ia a corssroads, melissa [19:38] which way will you go [19:38] are you still here? [19:38] your birthday is soon after all on my calendar [19:38] quit this this nonsense [19:38] we have have haphazard heartbeats :) [19:38] so let's start this off right [19:38] for one day, lets hold hands [19:38] through my dream [19:39] MeeMoAwwi: is there something coherent you'd like us to read? [19:39] ignore those frustrations and make up your mind already. I love u [19:39] topyli: kiitos [19:42] police business methinks, we can't really help [19:42] *nod* [19:46] How does one go from "normal" to "bat shit crazy" [19:46] scuse my language [19:47] mini-flood. grab your chair ... [19:47] 12:44 [Freenode] [MeeMoAwwi(~chatzilla@pool-72-91-149-20.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)] what makes you think your baseline of coherence is made off the backs of others when your idea of coherency is adaptation of what would be redundant stances [19:47] 12:44 [Freenode] [MeeMoAwwi(~chatzilla@pool-72-91-149-20.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)] it isn't my job for you to work your stance to fit every user who strays in [19:47] 12:45 [Freenode] [msg(MeeMoAwwi)] people without college educations should avoid speaking like they have them. [19:47] 12:45 [Freenode] [MeeMoAwwi(~chatzilla@pool-72-91-149-20.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)] strange I get that thrown at me all the time [19:48] 12:45 [Freenode] [msg(MeeMoAwwi)] maybe you should start listening more and talking less [19:48] 12:46 [Freenode] [MeeMoAwwi(~chatzilla@pool-72-91-149-20.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)] makes me wonder if my choices make me seem educated, yet can't be grasped by the ones who claim truly to be educated [19:48] 12:46 [Freenode] [msg(MeeMoAwwi)] or if everyone telling you the same thing may be right, and you're wrong [19:48] IdleOne: so, language or no, i think "bat-scat crazy" is pretty apt. [19:49] mneptok: when I typed it out I did stop for a second to think of a better expression to use but I couldn't think of any [19:50] IdleOne: i have my Expletive Thesaurus on my desk at all times, you superscillious jackanape [19:51] also I thought we had him banned in here [19:52] !staff | 12:51 [Freenode] [MeeMoAwwi(~chatzilla@pool-72-91-149-20.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)] but what I can say is melissa is in for a treat, even if she doesn't return to the USA [19:52] 12:51 [Freenode] [MeeMoAwwi(~chatzilla@pool-72-91-149-20.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)] but what I can say is melissa is in for a treat, even if she doesn't return to the USA: hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :) [19:52] that user is now making overt threats against other network users [19:55] !staff | 12:54 [Freenode] [MeeMoAwwi(~chatzilla@pool-72-91-149-20.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)] Maco isn't worth the time and resources to eradicate. I think she is less of a human being than our 1990s AIs [19:55] 12:54 [Freenode] [MeeMoAwwi(~chatzilla@pool-72-91-149-20.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)] Maco isn't worth the time and resources to eradicate. I think she is less of a human being than our 1990s AIs: hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :) [19:55] i could /ignore, but that solves the problem only for me. [19:55] there is generally little we can usefully do against this kind of nonsense in PM [19:55] marienz: OK, understood. sorry for the multiple calls. [19:56] marienz: seriously? a perm ban from the network would not be possible? [19:56] also, it'd be convenient if people waited until I wasn't having dinner before resorting to this kind of thing [19:56] IdleOne: unsurprisingly we do not log PMs (or channel messages for that matter) [19:57] marienz: I know that but this is not a one time occurence with this person [19:57] ah. [19:57] marienz: sorry to interrupt. it's 1300 here, so "dinner" is not something that entered my mind when calling. [19:57] mneptok: Except for the midwest! [19:58] marienz: go eat, or i'll find one of your o: colleagues to g: line you for 30m so your food does not get cold ;) [19:58] who/what am I grepping for? what happened, other than nonsense in PM to mneptok? [19:58] marienz: i have complete channel logs, and will be at the keyboard for the next 12 at least. go eat. [19:59] 12 hours, not minutes. so chew. :) [20:07] In ubottu, MeeMoAwwi said: if is derp, then derp is hopo [20:12] in ubottu? [20:12] he /msg ubottu [20:13] it tells us where the msg came from #whatever or from /msg [20:14] IdleOne: i think tomaw was more expressing the, "he's now bot-spamming?" sentiment. *shrug* [20:14] oh [20:14] not a first for that either [20:14] bot should be ignoring him now [20:32] so! history? [20:42] mneptok: i'm mobile, could you dig into logs? [20:42] * mneptok detaches and greps [20:42] thanks [20:44] Pff, if you have to detach you're doing it wrong. :-) [20:44] Ctrl-A, 1 drops me into my console screen, ctrl-a, 0 drops me back to irssi. [20:45] marienz: PM? [20:45] sure, why not [20:49] "why not" to a PM with mneptok? Oh, this could be a long list ;) [20:51] hahhah [20:52] maco: if you want to keep smiling, do NOT read the PM i sent a while ago. srsly. [20:52] :( [20:53] * mneptok 's faith in the humanity of humanity is being sorely tested today [20:54] i just assumed itd be nsfw and didnt click [20:54] it's SFW. just incredibly sad. [20:56] * popey cuddles mneptok [20:56] * mneptok purrs contentedly [21:06] LjL: you can voice your concerns for him if you disagree [21:07] nah i can't be bothered really, #ubuntu has become too much shit for me to think about this calmly [21:07] don't use the language [21:07] (please) [21:08] i don't care, it's become ridiculous [21:08] then leave [21:08] no [21:08] not before i've brought what's mine with me [21:08] errr you don't want to comply with the rules, but you don't want to leave the channel ? [21:09] I don't want you to go and I agree that some of the current stuff isn't good [21:10] well i've witnessed YOU specifically not giving good contributions to the channel but rather throwing undeserved factoids or otherwise being gratuitous, i'm sorry to say this. [21:10] give me an example ? [21:10] no-ones perfect [21:10] (I don't mean quote logs I'm not being petter) [21:10] petty [21:10] if I've offered a bad factoid, show me where ? [21:11] happy to take critisism [21:11] well the last one was an example. unfortunately i don't have other examples in mind as, even though i try to keep notes on these things, i end up not doing it. but just feel free to tell me again why asking "what is XYZ? is it a desktop environment, or its own OS? if it's just a desktop environment, then is it one that can be run in Ubuntu like XFCE or others?" is offtopic [21:12] but perhaps you think everyone must ALREADY have perfectly clear the concepts of "OS", "DE", "derivative", "Ubuntu Remix", etc, so that they can be manhandled if they get something slightly wrong. [21:12] not at all [21:12] I kinda agree with LjL, you did kinda pounce on him. [21:12] the guy has persisted before you joined the channel with offtopic support and was rude when asked to stop [21:12] I made it clear the topic, [21:12] am i wrong, or he was persisting *giving help* with "offtopic support"? [21:12] he when started asking about other distros [21:13] yes [21:13] you are correct [21:13] that may or may not be acceptable but it's certainly something quite different from *asking* for offtopic support [21:13] totally [21:14] if you feel asking us to look at moonOS for him and working out if it's a distro or desktop environemnt for him is ubuntus support issue, then I'll not ask that to stop again [21:14] maybe it's something he should have googled [21:14] if you feel you should have told him "please google that", then i guess that's fine with me... oh wait no, it isn't [21:15] based on his earlier comments where he was asking for support/offering support on non-ubuntu issues, I agree, but I take the point on board and will let it ride better in future [21:16] but if you're going to pass out advice like this (which I welcome) I find it a poor double standard when you use the ops channel to swear and then say "no" when asked to stop [21:17] you suggested there was more than once instance (this example) where I was failing, I'm not asking for exact details/quotes, but where else and I'll correct it [21:17] ikonia: this is entirely one man's opinion, and i would ask that you give it the full weight of consideration it deserves (my wife would tell you that's "not much"). but i think taking a deep breath and chanting the "it's just IRC" mantra before getting involved in issues is a good idea. *shrug* [21:17] i'm merely suggesting in general that more time is spent judging things !ot and otherwise telling people what not to do, even in instances when they are merely scartching on the surface of what's "not allowed", than doing actual you know support [21:18] ikonia: and that goes for *everyone*, not just you. [21:18] LjL: I fully agree with that [21:18] mneptok: again, it would be better coming from someone who's not running double standards [21:18] but it's valid [21:18] excuse me? [21:18] sorry, I'll clarify [21:18] as to my swearing, this channel is full of people who are supposed to have a tough enough skin, and i'll use swearing here if i feel like it conveys my feelings, like i've more or less always done [21:18] someone who does say "f'ing yeah" in #ubuntu-offtopic when someone has just been removed for swearing [21:19] LjL: I have no personal issue with the language, but it's the channel rules, [21:19] i also think there's so much looking at form over substance, in #ubuntu-offtopic too, it's FUCKING. sickening. [21:19] I agree but it's hard to discuss it when you're flaunting the ubuntu language issue [21:20] ikonia: OK, "the best defense is a good offense" strategy it is. [21:20] mneptok: not at all, [21:20] mneptok: you've just suggested a deep breath, I'm showing the same, [21:20] mneptok: I agree [21:21] mneptok: you can't say people need to take a deep breath and think when you make comments such as the example I've just given [21:21] ikonia: you complain about my obfuscated swearing. what i'm compalining about is you inserting yourself between me and users i have banned, and telling me when i will and will not remove bans i have placed. now, on the "poor form from ops" scale, which do you think should be remedied first? [21:21] but I agree it's sound advice [21:22] mneptok: you asked me to step back, and I did step back [21:22] mneptok: no problem. [21:22] i shoudln;t have to ask [21:22] mneptok: really ? [21:22] really. [21:22] before you start discussing someone's ban, it's good form to see who placed it, and if that person is already handling the issue. [21:22] mneptok: ok, point taken, but then I don't want to see you chip in when anyone else is dealing with something [21:23] mneptok: I fully accept that and agree with it which is why I stepped back when asked, if you feel you shouldn't have had to ask, then that won't happen again [21:23] chipping in is fine. telling other ops when bans they have placed will and will not be removed is not [21:23] mneptok: ooh....chipping in is fine [21:23] ok [21:24] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [21:24] ikonia: i have a suspiscion that this conversation is degrading quickly, and is probably better shelved for the time being. [21:24] mneptok: not at all, I fully take the points on board and I am genuine in saying it won't happen again [21:25] that's great to hear [21:25] and thank you [21:25] messaged gulfsteam to apologies for removing him by accident [21:25] and that's not a smarmy, requisitie thanks. it's wholly genuine. i really, really appreciate you taking my thoughts to heart [21:26] I'm perfectly open to critisism [21:26] and, to be clear, if i thought you were the type of person incapable of doing such things, i wouldn't waste my time bringing it up. ;) [21:30] uname /win 26 [21:31] uname -a /win3 >> output.txt [21:31] ;) [21:41] I'm not sure if I want to read the backlog or nto [21:41] naah [21:41] not, rather. [21:43] ive been ban [21:44] gohan4748: yes, are you aware of why? [21:44] i was spamming [21:44] Okay. [21:44] but my computer was messing up [21:46] can u guys unbanned my from #ubuntu-offtopic and i ca tell them what happened [21:47] can u guys unbanned my from #ubuntu-offtopic and i ca tell them what happened [21:48] gohan4748: you can ask ikonia or Flannel, who banned you, if they'd unban you, but I'm not comfortable in doing so, in reading the backlog of similar messages being flooded in the channel. [21:48] remove it for me [21:48] (as in I have no issue removing it) [21:48] gohan4748, it's sort of hard to believe your computer was misbehaving by simulating presses of ArrowUp *then* Enter, repeated [21:48] gohan4748: can you explain what was happening exactly? [21:49] the ban has been removed [21:50] i was talkng wih my friends then my keyboard was messing up then they banned me.......................................................................................... [21:50] gohan4748: the ...................................... at the end of that does not inspire confidence [21:51] im sad [21:51] but the ban is removed. if you have no other business with the -ops, we have a no-idle policy on this channel. [21:52] gohan4748: the ban has been removed. If your keyboard is having issues, consider quitting IRC until you can fix them. [21:52] i can join #ubuntu-offtopic agian ? [21:52] that's the idea [21:52] h00k: thank you [21:52] ikonia: no prob [21:53] gohan4748: in being you are no longer banned, yes? [21:53] gohan4748: next time it happens though i'm sure the ban will stay, so make sure it doesn't happen again please [21:53] YEAH THANKS U GUYS ARE THE BEST [21:53] and use lowercase in #ubuntu-offtopic ;) [21:53] TO #ubuntu-offtopic YAY [21:54] thank u [21:55] u guy are cooll [21:55] gohan4748: please /part the channel now :) [21:56] why i might come back and talk with u guys im inaloys of chats now im popular [21:57] why i might come back and talk with u guys im in alots of chats now im popular [21:57] well this channel is for issue resolution only, people are not supposed to be in here unless they have an issue with channel operation [21:57] :( [21:58] for instance, i'm here because i constantly have an issue with channel operation [21:58] And you get a nice + next to your name [21:58] LjL: and i thought it was to bask in my calm and warming glow :( [21:58] oh.. [21:59] h00k: thanks to technicalities ;( [21:59] LjL: s/have/am/ [21:59] :) [21:59] gohan4748: /part please. [21:59] topyli: the two are complementary :P [22:00] @btlogin [22:00] @login [22:00] The operation succeeded. [22:00] @btlogin [22:00] British Telecom, I say. [22:01] later [22:03] ... [22:06] I'd remove if I could [22:06] ah, look. [22:06] heh [22:06] so, who believes it was a mistake in the first place :P [22:06] no-one [22:07] nobody [22:07] not so much here after paying attention [22:07] that's at least reassuring :P [22:11] hey [22:11] gohan4748: what do you need? [22:15] soon he will have an issue [22:18] do u guys give me a passwd to upgrade my laptop ts needs a passwd [22:18] gohan4748: do you actually have some business with the ops here? getting banned from this channel is a very bad plan [22:18] gohan4748: this is not the support channel. nobody else set the password except yourself. [22:18] no, we do not have it. [22:18] ok bye [22:19] how do i leave [22:19] gohan4748: /part [22:19] ok thanks [22:20] gohan4748: please use it. [22:20] idk how to part [22:20] type /part [22:21] part [22:21] #part [22:21] rolleyes [22:21] okay, that's really going to get annoying. [22:22] s/annoying/more annoying/ [22:22] first thing he said was "please unbanned me". ring a bell? [22:22] * h00k begins grepping logs [22:23] can u guys unbanned my from [22:23] (more accurately) [22:24] bacta, yeah [22:24] oh yes. [22:24] 1. /23 [22:24] BAH! [22:24] bacta ? [22:25] dont we have a wiki on how to be an op [22:25] to become an op even [22:25] ikonia: dunno, just the "please unbanned me" thing [22:25] yeah, i'm trying to find the factoid [22:25] !canibeanop [22:25] topyli: I know that's one of his core lines........but please no [22:25] If you are interested in joining the Ops team, take a look at both http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements for info on the process and requirements. You can also learn about what the job entails from people in #ubuntu-irc. [22:26] and my damn shift-key and ctrl-key got commandeered by vmware. [22:29] that "siltala.net" domain makes me nervous. it's probably some Finnish scammer site trying to sell me cloudberries and reindeer meat. [22:30] mneptok: They clean their reindeers before slaughter. [22:31] mneptok: it is. whatever you do, don't browse outside the linked page! [22:32]