[00:04] is launchpad only for ubuntu code? [00:04] no [00:04] there are lots of upstream projects on there too === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:06] cool [01:22] ali1234 / exobuzz you guys seem knowledgable on microSD, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patriot-Signature-microSDHC-memory-adapter/dp/B004H8FTCU/ref=sr_1_55?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297986211&sr=1-55 [01:22] any opinions on that? it seems to be a class 10 32GB, but no reviews I can see to judge it by [01:24] all i know about microsd is that the speed is usually limited by the controller not the card, and in linux they often use PIO due to crap drivers, and you shouldn't use it unless there is absolutely no other alternative [01:24] I see [01:24] USB will beat it in almost every situation [01:25] ali1234: yea, this is for my phone though [01:25] well what are you going to use it for? [01:26] Ubuntu on the phone [01:27] don't waste £75 to find out it's crap [01:27] hmm, why isn't my picture showing up on launchpad? [01:27] get a 8GB class 4 and try it [01:27] i have a class 10 8gb [01:27] so i should try with that [01:30] there's not much point using a 32gb for a ubuntu install on some android phone, because you'll install it and find out it's half finished and nothing works, and then give up on it :) [01:30] and it really is half finished - htc are releasing phones faster than the htc-linux can keep up [01:30] ali1234: apparently it runs the stock Ubuntu ARM now [01:31] in a chroot [01:31] on a custom kernel, yes [01:31] and there are only about 4 people working on that kernel [01:31] haha [01:31] I'm interested in running mythtv on it [01:31] and there's about 20 different htc phones, and they just released 5 more last week [01:31] although I doubt I'll get far :P [01:32] mythtv won't work, there is no video acceleration under X11 [01:32] haha [01:32] and no hardware decoding support [01:33] you won't be able to run the new unity either [01:33] maybe if it has a software mode, but then it will be super slow [01:33] meego has the same problem - it requires accelerated graphics too [01:33] :p [01:45] some stuff is so clever [01:54] o/ Lunchie [01:54] he'll be back though ^^ [01:54] restarting into ubuntu if I recall [01:56] btw, Lunchie is a good friend of mine from college days... managed to get him to hit up irc :) [01:57] you should all say hi when he comes back :) [02:04] Azelphur: the chroot that runs along side android requires you to run everything in vnc too [02:04] you can imagine how much stuff that breaks [02:06] really? [02:06] ali1234: why would that break things? [02:06] well VNC doesn't support 3d acceleration either [02:07] *shrug* [02:07] so even if there was a driver, you wouldn't be able to use it [02:07] plus lots of apps don't redraw the scree properly in vnc [02:07] I'm trying it for shits n giggles on my 8GB card now anyway [02:07] so I'll know how well it runs soon enough :) [02:22] ali1234: feel like helping me mess about with this? :D http://pastebin.com/cNe3ZZ2H [02:22] I get problems on line 10, I've remarked the error in [02:22] it's weird because /sdcard/ubuntu/ubuntu.img exists, and /data/local/mnt exists [02:22] brb, time to stick the kettle on. [02:24] Azelphur: modprobe loop [02:25] ali1234: modprobe: chdir(2.6.32.28-cyanogenmod-g58d929e): No such file or directory [02:25] I'm curious why you're only mknod loop2? does loop0 & 1 already exist? [02:25] I didn't write the script [02:26] I'm just trying to make it work :D [02:26] be worth checking they're there then, because I don't see anything in the mount line that'd force it to use /dev/loop2 [02:27] i suggest you write your own script :) [02:27] * Azelphur cries [02:27] btw, where you get this script? [02:27] http://androidclone.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=23&page=1 [02:27] hm, infact, loop2 *is* loop0. that's fun [02:28] (loop0 is blockspecial 7,0) [02:28] anybody else had trouble syncing tomboy notes recently? not used it in a while but both my machines not refuse to sync? [02:29] ali1234: what good is writing my own script if I can't get loopback mounting to work :P [02:30] androidclone.com? [02:30] never heard of it [02:31] ali1234: hehe, so any ideas on how I'd get loop working? [02:32] well modprobe failed because you don't have the modules directory for thekernel you are running [02:32] so you have to get them and install them [02:34] I see [02:34] you're pretty much going to have to learn about how modprobe works, how the kernel works, how chroot works, and how to bootstrap ubuntu. at this point you'll be capable of doing this without someone else's script [02:35] possibly dumb question here :p is it possible for me to swap out the core 2 duo in my laptop for a core i5? [02:35] no, they use different slots [02:35] :( [02:36] wonder if its possible to get a newer board. lemme check manufacturer [02:36] ali1234: I see :P [02:36] maybe you don't need to modprobe loop [02:37] maybe $kit/ubuntu.img doesn't exist? [02:37] script uses variables like $kit and $mnt but does not define them [02:39] ali1234: it does define them? [02:39] what you pastebinned doesn't [02:39] export kit=/sdcard/ubuntu [02:39] line 3 [02:39] oh yeah [02:39] so does it exist? [02:39] yup [02:39] and /data/local/mnt exists too [02:40] hense my confusion at the no such file or directory error [02:40] but I suppose that's from it trying to modprobe loop but I don't have it [02:40] you commented modprobe ext2? [02:40] so modprobe is throwing no such directory [02:40] ali1234: nope, it came like that [02:40] it is probably failing because it can't modprobe it [02:40] yea, [02:53] well that's curious. real curious. wordpress just sent me a "someone requested a password reset" for localhost [02:55] uh oh [02:55] time to check all the logs very carefully [02:58] probably easier just to nuke it. forgot that was still installed there for something [02:59] a bit of a slap on the wrist that I forgot to firewall ipv6 tho; that's not reachable otherwise [03:11] hah, no, nm. apparently that was me, back in december. messing with postfix on my laptop has just emptied out a queue of mail that it's been waiting to send since the beginning of time [03:11] /facepalm [03:16] i've got a Natty [03:16] sorry [03:16] i've got a Natty VM that says '/' is not ready yet or not present, but i can drop to a recovery console and ls fine in '/' [03:16] what could be the problem? [03:46] hi [03:58] hey [04:03] \o [04:03] | [04:03] /\ [04:03] almost :~ [04:17] morning [04:22] evening for some :) [04:44] :P [04:44] shauno: morning dude [04:45] hmm, seem to be having trouble changing any settings on wiki.ubuntu.com (my account settings) [04:45] keeps saying that the email already belongs to somebody else [05:05] ooh, 10.04.2 is out. doesn't look like my mirror's noticed yet tho [05:07] nice timing tho, I have a reboot scheduled later this month :) [07:09] *sighÄ [07:39] Myrtti: sup? [07:39] shauno: how often do you schedule reboots? [07:41] Azelphur, you got a reply regarding the microsd right ? i dont actually know much about them anyway, so can't advise. :) [07:42] HazRPG: my life just sucks the normal amount for the situation [07:43] Myrtti: Hmm, I can relate... [07:43] Myrtti: anything I can do to make you feel better/help/advise/etc? [07:44] HazRPG: I doubt it really [07:46] wanna talk about it? [08:04] hello all [08:05] \o [08:14] MooDoo, MartijnVdS: \o [08:15] * HazRPG hugs Myrtti [08:15] :) === dipl0 is now known as diplo- [08:29] Morning all [08:29] morning DJones [08:30] \o [08:30] you meant to be online twice Lunchie, Lunchie1? [08:31] also, hey dude :) [08:32] heh, just thought he might have left it running last night [08:32] Hi HazRPG [08:46] hiya [08:48] * DJones debates buying a new laptop, 1600x900 resolution, 4gb ram, ubuntu compatible (preferably OTB) [08:48] Any suggestions [08:49] one touch backup? [08:49] Grr, to quick on the enter key, any suggestions on make & model [08:49] With a reasonable price [08:49] I like the ASUS Eee series, but they're mainly very small. [08:52] I'm looking for something as a main pc, so the eee series would be too small (assuming you mean the Eeepc's) [08:54] ThinkPad or MacBook Pro. [08:54] End of story :D [08:54] popey: Just looking at Thinkpads [08:54] DJones: budgie? [08:54] sorry, budget [08:54] Tweet! [08:54] Looking at about £500 ish, but could change [08:54] <-- twit ;) [08:56] Thinkpads seem to be limited to 1366x768 looking at the lenovo website [08:56] is 1600x900 a real resolution? [08:57] AlanBell: Widescreen 16:9 [08:57] sure, I just never saw one with that before [08:57] AlanBell: This sort of thing http://www.acerdirect.co.uk/Aspire_7551_Windows_7_laptop__LX.PXE02.055/version.asp [08:57] 1920x1080 is quite common as it is HD [08:57] DJones: correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it almost impossible to find any any true 16:9 devices? [08:58] I used to have a laptop with 1600x1200 which was awesome [08:58] AlanBell: yeah, I'd like 1920x1080 but prices seem to be out the budget [08:58] before they all started coming out with Shortscreen aspect ratio [08:58] Widescreen is a misnomer [08:58] AlanBell: I'm still using a 1600x900 laptop dell inspiron 8100 [08:59] hmm, see there's widescreen and then there's widerscreen... its very confusing at times [08:59] yeah, i loved my dell 1600x1200 [08:59] half the movies I own still have a strip at the top and bottom because they use a different widescreen to the widescreen I have on my tv :/ [09:00] shame it died :( [09:00] I had to give mine back when I was made redundant :( [09:01] * HazRPG doesn't see the point in widescreen [09:01] I can get an idea looking at pricerunner to filter based on various criteria [09:01] the eye can only focus on a certain amount in front of it, the rest is a blur... regular screen was so much better imho [09:01] (currently using 2 full-screen's right now :D) [09:02] and before you say that's technically wide-screen - it is and isn't, because I can only see one screen properly at a time, the other just gets used for entertainment or dragging stuff out of the way [09:02] * popey spies MooDoo resubscribing to the list [09:03] MooDoo: you mean he actually unsubbed!? [09:03] popey* even [09:03] BLUSH [09:04] Good morning kiddies :) [09:04] popey: how many subscribers are there? [09:05] 695 [09:05] * HazRPG runs up and hugs bigcalm [09:05] popey: :o [09:05] Heh [09:07] five more for the big 700 [09:07] uupc subs? [09:07] no, mailing list [09:08] Ah [09:08] it should go up to 696 soon, I think another one of my friends is thinking about it :P [09:09] Listening to Swede Mason isn't doing my hangover any good :) [09:09] brb, going to the corner shop for some goodies ^^ [09:11] Is it possible to have css only for webkit browsers without agent sniffing? [09:12] why would you want to do that? :) [09:12] graceful degradation etc [09:12] Because I can't get rid of some space in chrome & safari without messing up all other browsers [09:13] you can do stuff like -webkit-foo i think [09:14] * bigcalm digs [09:14] Anybody know if there's a PPA for the beta nvidia drivers? Like a beta version of the X-Swat PPA [09:15] Oli``: there's xorg-edgers [09:15] Does Opera use webkit? [09:15] no [09:15] it uses its own renderer [09:15] It's rendering correctly, so I think not [09:15] MartijnVdS: ta :) [09:17] popey, who was that mobile company you we're on about the other week [09:17] just sim cards and no support [09:17] please [09:18] diplo-: http://popey.me/g4cv64 [09:18] giffgaff :) [09:18] That's it! Been trying to remember it [09:18] thanks! [09:18] np [09:21] There you go, you have a referral :) [09:21] :D [09:21] ta [09:22] hmm, i wonder if giffgaff would be worth it for me [09:25] hm, it looks nice.. we need something like this in the Netherlands :) [09:28] back [09:30] I has duff beer :P [09:30] postman has just been :) [09:46] http://i51.tinypic.com/16gbadw.jpg [09:49] Joyeux Vendredi, mes amis! [09:50] Morning [09:51] JamesTait: Bonne Vendredi, à vous aussi! [09:52] HazRPG: Merci. :) [09:53] I really should learn French again. And Spanish and German. And finally learn Afrikaans. Most of what I used to know of any of those languages has leaked out of my head over the years. [09:54] JamesTait: why would you want to learn Afrikaans? [09:54] JamesTait: Votre bienvenue. [09:55] took me a while to remember that O.o [09:55] dogmatic69: My wife is South African and we still have family over there. It comes in handy when we visit. [09:55] JamesTait: Afrikaans is cool :) [09:55] JamesTait: Especially if you're Dutch :) [09:56] JamesTait: I know english and arabic, and only reason I know some french words is because they use it in arabic too for some things ^^ [09:56] JamesTait: tell them to learn a bit of english [09:56] * dogmatic69 is from sa [09:56] MartijnVdS: I'm not surprised to hear you say that. ;) [09:59] dogmatic69: Well, Afrikaans is one of SA's 12 officially recognised languages, right? Then again, I don't think I'll be learning Zulu, Sotho, Xhosa.... [10:00] dogmatic69: I'm guessing you mean South Africa and not Saudi Arabia :P [10:00] JamesTait: 11 last time i checked [10:00] Oh well, close. :) [10:00] HazRPG: something like that ;) [10:01] * HazRPG use to live in saudi arabia [10:01] most of them type it as SA even though technically speaking it should be KSA [10:02] JamesTait: just learn some Funigalore, not sure on the spelling [10:02] that will get you around the whole of southern africa [10:03] Languages interest me. I like to compare and contrast them. [10:04] Funigalore is a merge of all the languages from sa, zimbabwe, mozambique etc [10:04] The 2-letter designation for South Africa is ZA [10:04] was due to the mining back in the day [10:04] yes [10:04] I'm guessing that's because of the Afrikaans word for South [10:04] ZuidAfrika, IIRC? [10:04] zuit afrika [10:05] soemthing like that [10:05] its the dutch work for south [10:05] Afrikaans would be Suid-Afrika [10:06] http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuid-Afrika [10:07] Afrikaans rappers have been becoming more popular in the Netherlands since the world championship [10:15] mornin all [10:15] morning [10:30] wow, this amp drink really has a nice kick to it! [10:32] HazRPG: if you want an amp, put your finger in a wall socket ;) [10:32] MartijnVdS: now that's cruel :P [10:33] HazRPG: it'll have a nice kick to it [10:33] hehe, wouldn't say nice :P [10:33] HazRPG: ok, but a kick anyway [10:35] morning :) [10:35] \o screen-x [10:35] morning screen-x [10:36] hello MartijnVdS and HazRPG, whats happening this morning? [10:36] (human) language discussion [10:36] currently watching a video about the history of dreamcast xD [10:37] and drinking amp, duff will be my next drink after that - so not a lot here :P [10:37] http://i51.tinypic.com/16gbadw.jpg [10:37] HazRPG: low sugar diet ;-) [10:37] ;p [10:38] imagine a gallstone patient on low carb diet [10:38] MartijnVdS: my language question: why isn't postjudice a valid word, as the opposite of prejudice? [10:38] I can, and it's funny [10:40] screen-x: Surely thats just judging? [10:41] daubers: yeah, but with emphasis on having sufficient information to make a good judgement [10:51] wow, I can't believe that was the main reason the dreamcast flopped [10:51] apparently it was because it didn't have a dvd drive [10:53] hazrpg i thought the reason was the PS1 was great [10:53] mungojerry: nope, you've gotta remember the japanese are the biggest drive for gaming - they're obsessed with it [10:54] mungojerry: the dreamcast did well in the first 2 years, more so then the PSX [10:54] i still want to play shenmue [10:54] i remember my friend telling me about it and it sounded cool [10:55] its the best fork lift truck driving simulator i ever played [10:55] the dreamcast sold 300 thousand units in the 2 years, and psx had only sold 100 thousand [10:56] gord: xD [10:56] gord: come on, it had an amazing story [10:56] mungojerry: the ps2 was apparently the cheapest (and one of few) dvd players in japan [10:56] so the majority of people bought it in japan for the fact that they could watch dvd's with it [10:56] no, it doesn't have an amazing story, i actually really like the game but i can't say it has an amazing story ;) [10:57] where can i find some sailors? [10:57] directhex: harbour ;) [10:57] gord: I was disappointed that shenmue 3 wasn't going to be made :( [10:58] the thing about shenmue is it's a 2-hour scrolling beat 'em up about revenge, fleshed out with 14 hours of wandering around buying virtual capsule toys [10:58] ending very excitingly in getting on a boat [10:58] directhex: heh, and getting lost and not actually knowing where to go! [10:58] i liked wandering around talking to people :) thats what makes it fun [10:58] which leads to a 2-hour scrolling beat 'em up about revenge, fleshed out with 14 hours of playing Lucky Hit [10:58] the fighting sure was not fun [10:59] or the quick time events [10:59] shenmue *invented* the QTE! [10:59] gord: really? I loved it [10:59] shenmue did invent it yes, those fools, they did not know what they would bring upon us [10:59] remember, shenmue came from a beat 'em up developer. [11:00] no longer can i take a sip of a drink when a video game enters a cutscene, because it'll throw some qte event at me that ends up with orange juice everywhere [11:00] I could have sworn qte was used in other things before shenmue :/ [11:00] it had, but it wasn't called qte and wasn't used in the way that shenmue did it [11:00] HazRPG, the *name* comes from shenmue's manual. they were pioneering! [11:00] gord: I can visualise that xD [11:00] * HazRPG burst out into laughter [11:01] directhex: this is true... [11:01] gord: agreed [11:01] ultimately, shenmue was *very* slow, and most punters don't want something like that [11:01] beautiful game too [11:01] directhex: was still a great hit though shockingly [11:02] HazRPG, not really, it cost way more to make than they recouped [11:02] HazRPG, one of the most expensive games in history [11:02] gord: heh yeah, first thing my best friend told me when it released... and I quote, "Woah!!! The jeans look so realistic! I can't believe it!!!" [11:02] shenmue would only have broken even if every dreamcast owner in the world bought 2 copies [11:02] who has time to play slow games nowadays? after 10 hours of ff X (i think) i got bored cos nothing had happened yet, and i certainly hadn't eachieved much [11:03] HazRPG, lol, i remember walking past GAME once. there was a crowd drooling at the big screen tv there, talking about the amazing new PS2 they were watching... then the sega logo appeared next to the title "shenmue" [11:03] mungojerry: I love my RPG's so I have to disagree with that one [11:03] mungojerry, FF13 is worse. people say it gets much better after 25 hours [11:04] * mungojerry ponders what his favourite games ever are [11:04] directhex, it doesn't [11:04] HazRPG, an rpg doesn't need to be slow to be compelling. baldur's gate 2 had *perfect* timing. [11:04] yes, i played it for 25 hours and i hated every moment, got to the point where people said it gets better, it got worse, quit forever [11:04] absolutely unsurpassed to this day [11:04] directhex: I liked FF13 - minus the linear first 10 chapters [11:04] gord, square made one good rpg in the 90's. the rest is varying grades of "meh" [11:04] probably elite , exile, sensible soccer, SSX3, gta3 [11:05] directhex, .. what? no. go away. [11:05] they made about 10 awesome rpgs [11:05] directhex: heh, yeah I remember something similar to that too :P [11:05] really? really really? take ff6(3) as an example - the mechanics are *completely* broken [11:06] * mungojerry wonders what he has started...runs away to hide [11:06] chrono trigger, final fantasy 4, final fantasy 6, final fantasy 7 i guess, suikoden, suikoden II, entire secret of mana series super mario rpg [11:06] your party splits into three sub-parties, but one character's special attack is to throw inventory items at enemies - and he can throw the other sub-team's weapons away, when they're on another continent? no. [11:06] directhex: guessing your not including parasite eve in that then? That was an awesome shooter/rpg! [11:06] HazRPG, parasite eve was capcom wasn't it? [11:06] gord, okay, i'll give you mario rpg, had forgotten that one. [11:07] * screen-x runs fingers over an old heat sink and is ammused by the notes it produces [11:07] directhex: nope! Defo a square game! [11:07] <== use to be a mega fan of square + sega [11:07] hm, what am i confusing it with then? [11:07] anyway, square's best games never even released in yurp. [11:08] directhex: sadly :( [11:08] parasite eve 1 was way better than 2 and we never got that (we had 2 though!?) [11:08] chrono trigger debuted in europe in 2008. 2008! [11:08] two thousand and bloody 8! [11:09] and chrono cross was an amazing game following on with the trend of chrono trigger, another game that never hit our shores (japs and US did though :/) [11:09] chrono cross didn't need 30 unlikeable characters [11:10] morning all [11:10] morning davmor2 :) [11:11] * davmor2 hugs czajkowski before the violence erupts [11:11] davmor2: morning [11:11] directhex, i have figured it out, you are unbelievably picky is all ;) [11:11] directhex: heh, was more than that surely? [11:11] ultimately i just don't think i like jrpgs unless they're *incredible* [11:11] gord, hah, jinx! [11:11] directhex: I really liked the elements system they had going on [11:12] one advantage of living in saudi back then, was that I could buy games for any region [11:12] weirdly, even though my standards are ridiculous, i spent money on all four .hack games [11:12] hard playing japanese games when you can't read/write it, but still fun though [11:12] and the box set of the .hack series [11:12] directhex: heh same :P [11:13] some people seem to forget the origins of where WoW came from [11:13] i liked the premise of a game about playing a phantasy star online rip-off [11:13] WoW is pretty much just .hack and phantasy star online - but on a larger scale [11:13] although it's frustrating in game 3 when your main healing character leaves the server in order to give birth [11:14] HazRPG, i'm not sure i'd credit WoW with having much in common with PSO, as an industry observer [11:14] HazRPG, guild wars is closer [11:14] directhex: oh, I forgot about that - but remember aeris died in Final Fantasy 7 [11:14] SPOILERS [11:15] aerith. [11:15] Laney, KING KONG DIES [11:15] /part [11:15] Laney: yeah but a game that old, if you haven't played it by now - then they aren't /going/ to play it unless someone forces them to [11:16] bleh, software centre is currently recommending to me "emacs, qt creator, bluefish editor, stani's python editor and scribes text editor", i'm such a nerd [11:16] gord: xD [11:16] although honestly, those recommendations suck [11:16] I need to get me some wood cutting tools and wood, so that I can finally make my console centre [11:17] HazRPG, EXPEDIT. [11:17] http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/70103090# [11:18] see I just have an urge to put minecraft blocks in that xD [11:19] directhex: that would be cool n all - but it really annoys my sister that I always "steal" the tv every so often :/ [11:19] despite her hogging it all the time :/ [11:19] "More TV solutions for flatscreen TVs up to 37" - lies, i have a 40" in there :p [11:19] with rather little clearance [11:20] (1 inch gap at the top, and on both sides) [11:20] directhex: its probably just a recommendation so that its easy to get in and out and reach plugs, etc [11:20] 40"? tiny tiny TV :) [11:20] also depends on the stand it comes with, etc [11:20] 40" Tv, is that a portable :) [11:20] :( [11:21] * MartijnVdS has a 42", but I want a 58" with sat tuner [11:21] MartijnVdS, biggest that'll fit my unit though, and as you can see, my unit is awesome for gaming [11:21] mines only 30" [11:21] directhex: I have a modular system.. I can move shelves around to fit the 58" :) [11:21] I've got a 42" in the living room and thats plenty big enough, I woudln't think there was much difference between a 40" & 42" [11:22] DJones, indeed. but i couldn't fit 42" here [11:22] directhex: Expedit is for storing (vinyl) records ;) [11:22]