[01:13] <rbelem> Riddell, ping
[01:18] <ScottK> yofel and Quintasan: It should be beer laced Unicorn cookies.
[01:18] <yofel> lol
[02:41] <rbelem> Riddell, I just commited the changes to the kdenetwork svn
[04:00] <eMyller> 'lo.
[04:08] <c2tarun> I am grabbing a package by grab.merge.sh script and its automatically applying the patch. I updated the .quiltrc file but still nothing happned. I tried to pop the patch but No patches found. When I am pushing I am getting Hunk** failed. What should I do?
[06:33] <c2tarun> can anyone please help me with this error: dpkg-source: error: File ./freevo_1.9.0.orig.tar.gz has size 34309907 instead of expected 27182867
[08:27] <bambee> morning
[09:32] <test> hey, some guy sent me here
[09:33] <test> He told me that you guys know Qt?
[09:33] <valorie> if anyone is awake.....
[09:34] <valorie> test, what do you want to know?
[09:34] <test> oh im sorry, my time zone is different :p
[09:34]  * valorie isn't a coder, but I can find stuff
[09:34] <valorie> well, the Indians might be around
[09:34] <maco> valorie: or harald
[09:34] <valorie> the Americans will be asleep except me
[09:35] <maco> it's breakfast time in austria
[09:35] <valorie> harald on a Friday night?
[09:35] <valorie> maco......
[09:35] <valorie> lol
[09:35] <maco> you mean *after* a friday night haha....fair point
[09:35] <valorie> plus he's been sick
[09:35] <maco> well then he probably didn't spend the night at the biergarten!
[09:35] <valorie> maybe not!
[09:36] <Tm_T> mooh
[09:36] <valorie> Qmoo
[09:36] <maco> valorie: and yes i know mum, i should get to bed
[09:36] <valorie> lol
[09:36] <valorie> do you have work or school in the morning?
[09:36] <maco> test is looking to get into some Qt stuff and i said mentors and pointers to bugs could be found here
[09:37] <maco> i have "wait for ISP to come install the Intarwebs" around lunchtime
[09:37] <valorie> for me that would be "wake up when installers come at noon"
[09:37] <test> well i made a Qt Creator project
[09:38] <maco> and need some debugging help
[09:38] <maco> which, if none of the europeans give before i wake up, then i will
[09:38] <test> it has 3 QLineEdit widgets in it
[09:38] <test> they have all have an event
[09:39] <test> (when the text is changed)
[09:39] <test> it should convert tempratures
[09:39] <test> if it works
[09:39] <test> It runs fine
[09:40] <test> but when  i change the text it gives me an error
[09:40] <valorie> sounds right up harald's alley from a year or so back
[09:40] <valorie> when he was build a widget man
[09:41] <test> wait ill give u the error message
[09:43] <test> but i gtg
[10:28] <shadeslayer> debfx: i'm a bit busy till 25th ... :)
[10:29] <shadeslayer> and i don't have upload rights as well .... 
[10:57] <shadeslayer> debfx: tazz is taking care of the rebuilds ;)
[10:57]  * tazz will try...
[10:57] <tazz> <--- n00b
[10:57] <tazz> hence looking into the job :p
[10:57] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ping
[10:59] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ok, when you come around just please tell me what else is wrong changelog except urgency. I gotta go. THANKS for looking :)
[12:04] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ping
[12:05] <rbelem> Riddell, ping
[13:24] <apachelogger> meh
[13:24] <apachelogger> building gcc on arm is more of a PITA than Qt
[13:24] <apachelogger> -.-
[13:24] <apachelogger> stupid tests
[13:24] <apachelogger> it would appear that test is gone again and did not leave an error message behind ^^
[13:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.kde.org/stuff/clipart.php
[13:26] <shadeslayer> which one would be best for Neon?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> ( From KDE Software Logo's )
[13:27] <apachelogger> back of my head
[13:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan:  yofel ^^
[13:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not quite compute the question
[13:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i've contacted a friend of mine to do a logo for neon
[13:27] <apachelogger> well
[13:27] <apachelogger> the oxygen one
[13:28] <apachelogger> obviously :P
[13:28] <shadeslayer> so he was asking for artwork neon can relate to, so im sending him the Kubuntu Logo and KDE Logo's
[13:28] <apachelogger> the lineart ones only make sense for low-quality printing and stuff
[13:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the official one?
[13:28] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:28] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:28] <apachelogger> they are all official? :P
[13:29] <shadeslayer> KDE Official Oxygen Logo << I meant that one :)
[13:29] <apachelogger> yes
[13:29] <apachelogger> there only be one oxygen
[13:29] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[13:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: powered by KDE would be my choice
[13:30] <shadeslayer> yeah me too :D
[13:30] <shadeslayer> but i've sent him the whole page
[13:32] <apachelogger> my ear is powerd by meego
[13:32] <yofel> what's the back of your head powered by? ^^
[13:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: maemo
[13:32] <yofel> :D
[13:33] <shadeslayer> he is thus outdated
[13:33] <shadeslayer> time to upgrade apachelogger's head
[13:33]  * shadeslayer get's some screw drivers and pop's open apachelogger's head
[13:33] <apachelogger> sonic I shall hope?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> oh my oh my
[13:34] <shadeslayer> everything is outdated inside apachelogger's head ... we need new parts
[13:35]  * apachelogger enhances apachelogger.h
[13:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yofel Quintasan http://i.imgur.com/stsne.jpg
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your head is full of Java
[13:37] <apachelogger> shhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/569162/
[13:37] <shadeslayer> lulz
[13:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: what do you think of it
[13:40] <yofel> where did you get that from ...
[13:41] <yofel> doesn't exactly look bad though
[13:41] <apachelogger> it looks like pr0n advertisement
[13:41] <yofel> lol
[13:42] <shadeslayer> haha
[13:44] <apachelogger> I believe I can fly
[13:47] <shadeslayer> that's the java talking
[13:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how old are you again? :P
[13:48] <apachelogger> you are jealous of my relationship with java
[13:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 19
[13:48] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: Happy Birthday!!!
[13:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah right .... 
[13:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: so what can be improved to get it in as the official banner
[13:51] <apachelogger> oh, it's ari-tczew's bday?
[13:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did I mention you look like an android?
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Facebook says so
[13:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no...
[13:51] <apachelogger> oh, you must not trust the facebook on such matters
[13:51] <apachelogger> kubotu: order birthday package for ari-tczew
[13:51]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[13:51]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to ari-tczew and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[13:51] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday ari-tczew, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[13:51] <kubotu> Happy Birthday ari-tczew :D
[13:51] <kubotu> To your health!
[13:51] <shadeslayer> androidify does that to you supposedly 
[13:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you looks like an android
[13:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is that a good thing?
[13:52] <apachelogger> no
[13:52] <apachelogger> actually you look like you are about to throw up
[13:52] <apachelogger> all green and stuff
[13:52] <apachelogger> actually
[13:52] <apachelogger> I had an interesting discussion with a lady friend of mine who happens to have some samsung android phone
[13:52] <shadeslayer> hahah 
[13:52] <apachelogger> apparently android is crap
[13:52] <apachelogger> ...
[13:52] <shadeslayer> it is
[13:53] <apachelogger> also the smileys are all shit to regular people
[13:53] <shadeslayer> but it's better than symbian crap
[13:53]  * eMyller also believes he can fly
[13:53] <ari-tczew> who said that I have birthday today?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: facebook
[13:53] <apachelogger> she indeed said they look like they are about to throw up
[13:53] <apachelogger> ...
[13:53] <apachelogger> <3 android
[13:53] <eMyller> actually, /me just woke up, so don't listen to him.
[13:53] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: it's not true
[13:53] <shadeslayer> then fix your fb profile!!!
[13:53] <apachelogger> liar!!!!!!!!
[13:53] <eMyller> 'morning all
[13:54] <shadeslayer> eMyller: it's the java speaking
[13:54] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: I guess I don't have you in friends on FB.
[13:54]  * apachelogger does not listen to eMyller and wonders why he is not greeting us
[13:54] <shadeslayer> oh darn 
[13:54] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: and I don't have set up my birth date.
[13:54] <shadeslayer> Wrong Artur
[13:54] <apachelogger> ah
[13:54] <apachelogger> who has birthday?
[13:54] <apachelogger> do I?
[13:54] <ari-tczew> :-)
[13:54] <shadeslayer> Arthur Schiwon
[13:54] <eMyller> apachelogger: lol
[13:54] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: why are we not befriended on the facebook??!?!?!?!!?!?!?
[13:54] <apachelogger> I demand befriendshipping
[13:54] <shadeslayer> now i can't remember his nick
[13:55] <apachelogger> now
[13:55] <apachelogger> this arthur schiwon looks familiar
[13:55] <apachelogger> I think I met him once
[13:55] <apachelogger> can't remember his nick though
[13:55] <apachelogger> ...
[13:55] <apachelogger> kubotu: order birthday package for Blizzz
[13:55]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[13:55]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to Blizzz and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[13:55] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday Blizzz, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[13:55] <kubotu> Happy Birthday Blizzz :D
[13:55] <kubotu> To your health!
[13:55] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: send me request then ;)
[13:55] <shadeslayer> aha!
[13:56]  * apachelogger dances with Blizzz and touches his naughty bits
[13:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: need to go, I'll think about it till I get back
[13:56] <shadeslayer> sure
[13:56] <shadeslayer> i have to study too
[13:56] <shadeslayer> cya
[13:56] <eMyller> hey; anyone seen ofirk and sheytan these days?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google cricket
[13:56] <kubotu> Results for cricket: 1. Bangladesh vs. India, 1st Match, Group B, 19th Feb '11: http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/433558.html?CMP=OTC-GCN | 2. Willow: http://onebox.willow.tv/EventMgmt/UserMgmt/FixtureArchive.asp?target=concluded | 3. Cell Phone Plans | Cell Phones | Mobile Broadband | Cricket Wireless: http://www.mycricket.com/
[13:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[13:56] <Blizzz> djeezus christ
[13:56] <Blizzz> apachelogger:  ty ;)
[13:56] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: no, that is not how this works... you must befriend me
[13:56] <shadeslayer> Blizzz: happy birthday!!
[13:56] <eMyller> i'm worried about the ku website, no one has never talked about it again
[13:56] <apachelogger> it is not thursday
[13:57] <Blizzz> thanks shadeslayer!
[13:57] <apachelogger> I only do befriendshipping thursdays
[13:57] <apachelogger> eMyller: the ku?
[13:57] <shadeslayer> like su but more KDE like?
[13:57] <apachelogger> oh
[13:57] <apachelogger> ku = kool user?
[13:57] <eMyller> it's an all blue su
[13:58] <eMyller> dang, i'm just used to the !ku thing on identica
[13:58] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: I guess I'm not worthy to get friendship with you on FB
[13:58] <apachelogger> I command you to befriend me!
[13:58]  * apachelogger cannot wait till thursday
[13:58] <eMyller> apachelogger: actually, ku means ass in portuguese. they just use c instead of k.
[13:58] <apachelogger> what if I get git by a bus tomorrow
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sudo makemeafriend
[13:58] <apachelogger> then you shall never become my friend on fb
[13:58] <apachelogger> imagine the loss
[13:58] <apachelogger> you could not take part int he moaning and stuff
[13:58] <apachelogger> ...
[13:59] <apachelogger> .....
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: polkit enablement is needed there
[13:59] <ari-tczew> aha
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ... I get git by a bus ... was that by mistake ? :P
[13:59] <apachelogger> no
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: google git by a bus
[13:59] <kubotu> Results for git by a bus: 1. Git by a Bus: http://dev.hubspot.com/bid/57694/Git-by-a-Bus | 2. Git Bus route: http://www.git.org.in/busroute.htm | 3. Git by a Bus | Daniel Bachhuber's weblog: http://danielbachhuber.com/2011/01/05/git-by-a-bus/
[13:59] <shadeslayer> lul then
[13:59] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: show me this guy who has birthday today
[13:59] <apachelogger> there ye go
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: Blizzz
[13:59] <shadeslayer> Blizzz: ari-tczew
[13:59] <apachelogger> eMyller: the website is being held back by stuff
[14:00] <shadeslayer> aye
[14:00] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: I don't get it
[14:00] <apachelogger> imaginary stuff I might add
[14:00] <bambee> now that language-selector is waiting for review, can I help on another thing ? 
[14:00] <apachelogger> as currently there is nothing to deploy there is nothing to hold back
[14:00] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: pardon?
[14:00] <apachelogger> if it were to be held back one were to do something about it
[14:00] <apachelogger> but since there is nothing...
[14:00] <Blizzz> ah
[14:00] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:00] <apachelogger> bambee: what do you want to do?
[14:00] <apachelogger> you can join me watching gcc compile on arm
[14:00] <eMyller> apachelogger: there is some non imaginary stuff; sheytan have designed lots of pages
[14:00] <apachelogger> that surely will take another 300000 hours
[14:01] <apachelogger> eMyller: yes, but it is not deployment ready I recon
[14:01] <shadeslayer> kbai
[14:01] <eMyller> i was just about to get with him to write markup and stuff
[14:01] <apachelogger> and until there is something to deploy we cannot annoy the canonical sysadmins to execute the review and deployment
[14:01] <apachelogger> thus nothing is being held back right now
[14:01] <eMyller> k
[14:01] <bambee> apachelogger: I prefer programming tasks but I'm open to any suggestions :)
[14:01] <eMyller> not complaining about development
[14:02] <eMyller> just wanted to check if there were news
[14:02] <apachelogger> bambee: we could watch drunken friends try to sing
[14:02] <eMyller> it's quite a longe time i don't see the website guys
[14:02] <apachelogger> eMyller: sheytan will know the status I presume
[14:02] <eMyller> yeah, this is why i asked about him :P
[14:03] <apachelogger> bambee: you could make shadeslayer less useful to me and write a schedule management app for UDS in QML ;)
[14:03] <bambee> however if required I can help for packaging and bugfixes of course
[14:03] <apachelogger> talking about bugfixes
[14:03] <apachelogger> bambee: one thing that always needs doing is bug triage :)
[14:03] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: we are still not friends
[14:04] <apachelogger> ...
[14:04] <apachelogger> bambee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[14:04] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: I'll survive ;-)
[14:04] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: you are very selfish
[14:04] <apachelogger> what about me?
[14:05] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: get a girlfriend :d
[14:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ari-tczew questions our relationship!
[14:05] <apachelogger> bambee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses
[14:05] <Nightrose> oO
[14:06] <apachelogger> bambee: basically everything that is not caused by Kubuntu gets closed as invalid and the report sent to bugs.kde.org to file the bug their
[14:06] <bambee> apachelogger: thanks
[14:06] <apachelogger> of course you may also jump at a high profile bug and fix that ;)
[14:06] <apachelogger> e.g. in the topic there is a list of alpha3 bugs
[14:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: honey, when is deadline for gsoc ideas btw?
[14:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: 28th for kde
[14:07] <apachelogger> ah
[14:07] <apachelogger> plenty of time
[14:07]  * apachelogger could actually being to draft up proposals
[14:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how many proposals can one single person file before it gets weird?
[14:08] <Nightrose> heh
[14:08] <Nightrose> i'd say 4 or 5
[14:08] <apachelogger> splendid, just enough :D
[14:09] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: I might propose something or kwin :P
[14:09]  * apachelogger finds that stuff jolly intersting
[14:10] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: also I am confident that we can land kwin-gles in natty as soon as someone fixed our gcc, which is currently most broken and makes all of KDE segfault on arm \o/
[14:10] <apachelogger> also linaro is poking into gles enablement which means much more gles love alltogehter
[14:10] <apachelogger> love all around
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when you are back, please teach ari-tczew about apachelogger fandom
[14:11] <apachelogger> he does not quite grasp the concept I am afraid
[14:11] <apachelogger> also
[14:11] <apachelogger> I feel I had too much coffee
[14:11] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:12] <ari-tczew> ;O
[14:13] <apachelogger> who has time to review apachelogger.h?
[14:13] <apachelogger> could release it soonish I believe
[14:24] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: haha, you have been broken your rules! :D
[14:24] <ari-tczew> you sent me request :P
[14:24] <bambee> apachelogger: I could also code a plasma-widget-sound-indicator :P
[14:24] <bambee> mouarf :P
[14:24] <apachelogger> what is that?
[14:25] <apachelogger> sound menu made more sense
[14:25] <apachelogger> also upstream agreed it is a generally good idea
[14:25] <apachelogger> also it is pretty easy to do
[14:25] <bambee> I meant sound menu yeah
[14:25] <apachelogger> ok, I am all behind you on that idea
[14:25]  * apachelogger thinks soundmenu makes all sorts of sense, just not the name ;)
[14:26] <bambee> I think... it's a good challenge... I love challenges :)
[14:27] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: I have a song for that somewhere
[14:27] <apachelogger> I believe
[14:27] <apachelogger> can't recall the lyrics really
[14:27] <apachelogger> lemme see
[14:27] <ari-tczew> lol
[14:28] <debfx> bambee: something like this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Veromix+-+A+Pulseaudio+volume+control?content=116676
[14:29] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB0dI0mCzhs&feature=related
[14:30]  * apachelogger needs to dance a bit
[14:30]  * apachelogger grabs Nightrose since she is workign too much anyway
[14:30] <bambee> debfx: something like that yup
[14:31] <apachelogger> debfx, bambee: simpler and more integrated
[14:31] <bambee> with mpris2 spec and all features required by soundmenu 
[14:31]  * apachelogger notes that kmix should by now have a dbus interface,
[14:31] <apachelogger> at least it was concluded to have that last year at the kde mm meeting
[14:31] <apachelogger> no idea if they actually implemented it
[14:32] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: do you like punk music?
[14:32]  * apachelogger likes good music
[14:32] <bambee> apachelogger: ok
[14:33] <bambee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu ;)
[14:34] <apachelogger> hm
[14:34] <apachelogger> oh
[14:34] <apachelogger> uh
[14:34]  * apachelogger just found an interseting bug in amarok 
[15:19] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: what do you want to propose for kwin?
[16:29] <Riddell> ooh, owncloud accepted
[16:31] <ScottK> Congratulations.
[16:31] <ScottK> Riddell: Kernel for n900 is in New, BTW.
[16:45] <Riddell> rbelem: congrats on getting samba support into KDE!
[17:34] <Daskreech> markey: What's with the fork?
[17:35] <markey> Daskreech: just speculation. there has been some talk about KDE having "its own distro"
[17:35] <markey> but of course that is a problem, politically
[17:35] <markey> the SUSE folks would not be happy with us choosing Kubuntu, and vice versa
[17:36] <markey> so I don't think that will ever happen
[17:36] <Daskreech> Is there a need for KDE to have it's own distro?
[17:36] <markey> good question
[17:36] <Daskreech> E has it's own  Distro
[17:36] <markey> currently, Kubuntu is a great distro for me
[17:36] <Daskreech> I can't think of anything else that has one
[17:37] <markey> but if Canonical continues making bullshit decisions, and paying 2 guys for making Kubuntu, I worry about its future
[17:37] <Daskreech> I suppose you could say that Foresight is the GNOME distro but that's made a huge impact and is really a game changer in the larger scheme of things
[17:37] <markey> poor Riddell has to do the work of 10 guys
[17:37] <markey> basically
[17:37] <markey> is that fair?
[17:37] <Daskreech> Depends on whose perspective you look at
[17:38] <markey> I imagine what he does is fairly complicated and demanding
[17:38] <Daskreech> it is Riddell is a super champ
[17:38] <markey> yep
[17:38] <markey> does he get payed really well? I don't know. rumor has it, Canonical pays poorly
[17:39] <markey> is it OK to treat Kubuntu like an evil step-child?
[17:39] <markey> is it not easy to see why that is?
[17:41] <markey> is Mr. S. really the great philanthropist, or really a cunning business man, fooling people into thinking something else?
[17:42] <Daskreech> markey: Well he is paying for something that is outside of what he set out to do and actually dilutes it
[17:43] <markey> ok
[17:43] <markey> so far so good
[17:43] <markey> why is he doing that?
[17:43] <Daskreech> So is it fair to have a unplanned for side project be treated like a side project? I'd say probably
[17:43] <markey> he could simply not do it, right?
[17:43] <Daskreech> Riddell asked him to
[17:43] <markey> do you really believe that?
[17:43] <markey> would you believe anything some CEO told you?
[17:44] <Daskreech> That if Riddell had not offered to build Kubuntu that it wouldn't exist now? Yeah pretty much
[17:44] <markey> maybe
[17:44] <markey> or maybe the real reason is: appeasing the KDE community
[17:45] <markey> while spending the absolute minimum required to do it
[17:45] <markey> like a cunning business man would do
[17:45] <Daskreech> It most likely is. But if Riddell had not said he would shoulder the responsibilty Kubuntu wuld be in the same category as GnuSense
[17:45] <markey> sure, that could very well be true
[17:46] <Daskreech> markey: We are saying the same things but that doesnt' change that Kubuntu is a side project and treated lke one
[17:46] <markey> but what Riddell did back then, well. that's one thing. 
[17:46] <markey> yes
[17:46] <markey> is that OK?
[17:46] <markey> maybe yes, maybe not
[17:46] <markey> IMHO: nope, not OK at all
[17:46] <Daskreech> depends on where you are looking at it from
[17:46] <markey> right
[17:46] <Daskreech> well then fund a KDE distro then
[17:47] <markey> I can't
[17:47] <Daskreech> or offer to pay a second person to 
[17:47] <markey> but KDE could
[17:47] <markey> easily
[17:47] <Daskreech> Or start a foundation for it
[17:47] <Daskreech> Yes but that still a side project for the KDE foundation
[17:47] <markey> so anyway, I guess we both understood each other's positions
[17:47] <ScottK> Personally, I'm glad Kubuntu is a side project.
[17:48] <ScottK> The community gets a huge amount of say in what happens in Kubuntu because we do a large share of the work.
[17:48] <Daskreech> Not nearly in the same way as Canonical but Riddell has put up effort for what he thought was a good idea
[17:48] <markey> personally, I am glad that Kubuntu exists, but I still thing that Canonical is screwing over people
[17:48] <markey> think*
[17:49] <Daskreech> markey: I think a solution for your conflict would be to start something explictly to fund polish in Kubuntu
[17:49] <ScottK> Or just convince people it's a worthwhile use of their time. 
[17:49] <markey> again, I could not do that. KDE could do it, but it would get KDE into a mess of political issues
[17:49] <markey> because there are more distros
[17:49] <Daskreech> markey: Why could you not do it
[17:49] <Daskreech> I'm not asking you to fund it
[17:49] <ScottK> markey: It didn't stop KDE from making an OpenSuse netbook "reference implementation"
[17:49] <Daskreech> just to start a movement
[17:49] <markey> no time, no money
[17:50] <markey> I contribute to Amarok, which contributes to Kubuntu
[17:50] <Daskreech> apachelogger started the Kubuntu Ninjas movement and it's been progressin
[17:50] <markey> that's the most I can do
[17:50] <Daskreech> markey: Just beat a drum when you can :)
[17:50] <markey> :)
[17:50] <Daskreech> Ideas grow when watered
[17:50] <markey> apachelogger has been beating a lot of drums
[17:50] <markey> he's a smart guy
[17:50] <markey> are his ideas heard?
[17:50] <Daskreech> and it's working
[17:51] <Daskreech> Yes
[17:51] <Daskreech> This channel is a lot fuller and more active since he started doing that
[17:51] <markey> yeah, he can do that very well
[17:51] <Daskreech> slow progress is still progress
[17:51] <markey> but he has many ideas, some of which are more radical
[17:51] <Daskreech> ya hurd? :)
[17:51] <markey> hehe
[17:51] <markey> well ask him yourself
[17:53] <Daskreech> markey: Would you like to do an article for amarok for the feature digest
[17:53] <markey> I'm sorry, what is that?
[17:54]  * bambee arrived and tries to understand something
[18:01] <c2tarun> hi
[18:05] <Daskreech> markey: http://commit-digest.org/
[18:09] <markey> Daskreech: ah, sorry, but we Amarok folks started to do our own "Commit Digest" thingie. we call it "Last Week in Amarok", modeled afer what Boud did for Krita
[18:10] <markey> Commit Digest is great for the core of KDE, but I don't think that it could ever be able to cover the whole range of apps
[18:10] <markey> there are just too many of them now
[18:11] <Daskreech> markey: that's why it's a digest :)
[18:13] <markey> :)
[18:14] <Daskreech> That does give me an idea though
[19:10] <bambee> someone know where I could find kmix icon (air theme) ?
[19:11] <bambee> i.e the systray white icon
[19:18] <Riddell> bambee: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/icons/
[19:19] <bambee> Riddell: great! thanks
[19:27] <ScottK> rgreening: Now wouldn't be a bad time to be thinking about https://launchpad.net/clamav-kde again.  Klamav was just removed from Debian due to it's KDE3ness.
[19:27] <Daskreech> ScottK: I'm shocked. Debian is discriminating against oldness? /s
[19:28] <ScottK> Daskreech: Debian qt/kde team wants to release wheezy Qt3/KDE3 free.  They don't want Qt3 to be the next Gtk-1.2.
[19:29] <ScottK> I think it's a reasonable goal.
[19:29] <ScottK> I think we should be Qt3/KDE3 free for the next LTS.
[19:29] <Daskreech> Wasn't Gtk 1 famous cause some apps simply refused to go to Gtk2?
[19:29] <ScottK> Yep.
[19:29] <ScottK> And in the end they were removed, but it took almost a decade.
[19:34] <Riddell> ScottK: being Qt 3 free requires either updating LSB or having ubuntu no longer support LSB
[19:35] <Riddell> which could well be the reasonable thing to do
[19:35] <ScottK> Riddell: We've never claimed to support LSB.
[19:35] <ScottK> There are parts of LSB we support, but not the whole thing.
[19:36] <Daskreech> jtechidna posted a list of KDE3 bound things in Kubuntu
[19:37] <ScottK> Riddell: I think it's be great to keep Qt3 around if someone was going to maintain it.
[19:37] <Daskreech> might be nice to have that as a wiki page if it's a goal for Odoriferous Otter 
[19:37] <Riddell> Qt 3 upstream is dead so I think it's daft to try and maintain it
[19:39] <debfx> Daskreech: I though it's orly owl :(
[19:39] <Daskreech> debfx: Orly? Whooooooo said that?
[19:47] <debfx> Daskreech: I just can't imagine any other codename for the o series
[19:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Agreed.  That's why I think removal for the next LTS is the sane course.
[20:26] <ScottK> Wow.  rekonq in Natty doesn't totally suck.  Who'd have thought ...
[20:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[20:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: also, pinheiro said he really has too much stuff and won
[20:28] <Quintasan> won't be able to make us artwork
[20:28] <Quintasan> We'll use sheytan's work and maybe we'll get something oxygen'ish later
[20:29] <Quintasan> TBH Oxygen'ish artwork for Neon is like, wtf
[20:45] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: wayland foobar or modularization
[20:45] <apachelogger> all to get rid of X :P
[20:46] <apachelogger> markey: did you have a fan club meeting or something? :D
[20:47]  * apachelogger just read that apparently fglrx does opengles
[20:47] <apachelogger> git pull the kwin-gles \o/
[20:51] <markey> apachelogger: yeah I just came back from the weekly apachelogger-fan-club meeting
[20:52] <apachelogger> very nice
[20:52] <markey> we fondled a Harald Action Figure
[20:52] <markey> did you feel the love?
[20:52] <apachelogger> I thought I felt something indeed
[20:52] <markey> dude I should not say this, but we should skype
[20:52] <markey> I'm dying a slow and painful death in this hotel room
[20:53] <markey> not even sure what day of the week it is
[20:53] <markey> it's sat, no?
[20:53] <apachelogger> saturday, hence you did not go to work today :P
[20:53] <markey> aaaah
[20:53] <markey> yes
[20:53] <markey> that explains it
[20:53] <apachelogger> ah, dpkg is having intercourse with me
[20:53] <apachelogger> my oh my
[20:55] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/569328/
[20:55] <apachelogger> that does not compute at all
[21:02] <apachelogger> oh
[21:03] <apachelogger> now I see
[21:03] <apachelogger> version problems
[21:09] <apachelogger> cause I'm TNT
[21:09] <apachelogger> ...
[21:09] <apachelogger> markey: so
[21:09] <apachelogger> skype?
[21:10] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: fglrx does opengles but in an unusable way
[21:10] <apachelogger> groovy
[21:10] <apachelogger> <3 drivers
[21:10] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: and don't pull my scratch repo any more - everything is merged into master and I don't update the scratch repo any more
[21:11] <apachelogger> k
[21:11] <apachelogger> needs more fiddly then
[21:11] <mgraesslin> with fglrx you have to resolve each function pointer and the nice thing about gles is that you would not have to resolve the function pointers
[21:12] <mgraesslin> and knowing from the normal glx driver it would be too slow anyway
[21:12] <apachelogger> hm
[21:12] <apachelogger> well
[21:13] <apachelogger> right now dpkg is not very nice anyway
[21:13] <apachelogger> doesnt let me install the package even though it should be very installable :O
[21:19] <apachelogger> gcc on arm is now building for >24h ...
[21:31] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: how would one switch to gles on master then?
[21:31] <apachelogger> runtime?
[21:31] <mgraesslin> build time
[21:31] <apachelogger> ok
[21:31] <mgraesslin> -DKWIN_BUILD_WITH_OPENGLES=ON
[21:31] <apachelogger> thx
[21:31] <mgraesslin> I hope to find a runtime solution but don't have any idea how, yet
[21:37]  * apachelogger is this ---> <---- close to changing the login sound
[21:41] <apachelogger> maco: let's make a time vortex screensaver
[23:31] <apachelogger> great
[23:31] <apachelogger> ubiquity seems the broken
[23:31] <apachelogger> stuck at 64% of system install -.-