[00:21] <jack_> ikonia: ping. you about?
[00:22] <jrib> haha, that's pretty good
[00:25] <jack_> i spoke to him a couple of days ago about getting unbanned from #ubuntu yet im still banned. he told me he had removed it.
[00:25] <jack_> :O
[00:26] <jrib> one second jack_
[00:26] <jack_> jrib++
[00:27] <mneptok> I am Jack's unresolved ban.
[00:27] <jack_> ^
[00:27] <jrib> ok then
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[00:28] <jrib> jack_: seems like its tsimpson's ban?
[00:29] <jack_> i believe so
[00:29] <tsimpson> looks like only one of the bans was removed
[00:30] <tsimpson> jack_: attempting to evade ban by connecting from another IP/host/service is against freenode policy btw
[00:30] <jack_> i wasn't. i was logged in from 2 places :O
[00:31] <jack_> *preban* i was logged in from 2 places*
[00:32] <tsimpson> you joined from a @nat/redhat/ host after being banned from your current IP
[00:32] <jack_> I was already in there before the ban occurred.
[00:34] <tsimpson> both of your clients were removed
[00:34] <tsimpson> still, I'll remove the original ban as the 2nd was also removed
[00:35] <tsimpson> but please remember our rules, especially regarding language and content
[00:35] <jack_> indeed.
[00:35] <IdleOne> lying to get the ban removed is also wrong
[00:36] <IdleOne> but I'll let tsimpson decide
[00:36] <jack_> kk well its not a live or die situation. its up to you. i go in there to help other people in my free time. :/
[00:36] <mneptok> jack_: anything that occurs from a client connected from a 'Hat IP address reflects on the company.
[00:37] <tsimpson> jack_: the ban is removed
[00:37] <jack_> Thank you sir.
[00:41] <tsimpson> jack_: if there's nothing else, you can part now
[01:23] <MeeMoAwwi> hey guys
[01:23] <MeeMoAwwi> we should talk
[01:24] <MeeMoAwwi> no one is going to get hurt. you have to understand that on the internet things have a way of being far from the truth, except in mind
[01:24] <MeeMoAwwi> i don't want to hurt anyone
[01:25] <MeeMoAwwi> i was just trying to explain to one of your insensitive OPs how sensitive melissa is, and that as her, i could even feel my presence while being torn apart by no weapon but by temptation
[01:26] <MeeMoAwwi> now i am ready to listen
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> MeeMoAwwi: Do you have a ban or policy to discuss?
[01:26] <MeeMoAwwi> you tell me, i am worried that the entire ubuntu channels don't want me
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[01:27] <MeeMoAwwi> some say things like :you are banned from this channel:
[01:27] <MeeMoAwwi> @btlogin
[01:27] <MeeMoAwwi> hmm, didn't tell me anything
[01:27] <MeeMoAwwi> i suggest you make the reports available to me so i can see just how serious the situation is
[01:28] <MeeMoAwwi> it starts by seeing the official word of your people, and not my own while you are OJT
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> Ah, you're Hoober.  In that case, we have nothing to discuss with you.
[01:28] <MeeMoAwwi> great, so you can let me back into maybe #ubuntu?
[01:29] <bazhang> he knows the appeals link already
[01:29] <MeeMoAwwi> i feel like the irc council should of responded or something to one of my emails.
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> MeeMoAwwi: No.  We're done here.
[01:29] <MeeMoAwwi> i made an appeal i thought
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> Then it will be responded to as appropriate, but not in here.
[01:30] <MeeMoAwwi> or maybe i dreamt it. but if i did, it probably is overdue for response
[01:30] <bazhang> MeeMoAwwi,thats beyond the purview of this channel. nothing more to be done here.
[01:30] <MeeMoAwwi> if here is not approrpriate than drop all charges against me and all conclusions about me that start from here and you think can be brought up via email to your appeals
[01:30] <MeeMoAwwi> you can't have it both ways.
[01:31] <MeeMoAwwi> you could at least let me back in #ubuntu
[01:32]  * tonyyarusso wonders how many of his bantracker-claimed bans actually still exist
[01:43] <IdleOne> they should all still exist
[01:44]  * IdleOne bakes and eats cake 
[04:00] <gpc> !ping
[04:03] <Flannel> Bad floodbot. bad.
[04:03] <IdleOne> So it isn't just me who is having connection issues
[04:06] <Flannel> Anyone know what is up with flowbee and his randomly generated friends?
[04:09] <h00k> IdleOne: apparently I am, too
[04:10] <gpc> h00k: yeah there was a big load of us who got pinged timed out
[04:10] <h00k> yay
[04:10] <IdleOne> oops
[04:11] <IdleOne> Flannel: who what?
[04:11] <Flannel> IdleOne: /lastlog flowbee in #u
[04:12] <gpc> only see flowbee and flowbee__ in lastlog
[04:13] <gpc> but probably having time out issues like the rest of us
[04:13] <Flannel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/569016/
[04:14] <h00k> I don't like the random nicks
[04:15] <Guest54754> me either
[04:15] <Guest54754> hold on a sec :)
[04:16] <IdleOne> errr this sucks
[04:18] <IdleOne> Flannel: the 1AXXXXX nicks are what freenode gives when split servers haven't resynced
[04:19] <IdleOne> as I understand it.
[04:19] <Flannel> IdleOne: Have we really had 4 splits in the past 24 hours?
[04:20] <IdleOne> sounds about right
[04:41] <IdleOne> I feel like I am drunk but not a good drunk where you know what everyone is talking about
[04:48] <h00k> Is this the same DoS that Freenode said it had the other day?
[04:49] <IdleOne> same? as in ongoing ?
[04:49] <h00k> yeah
[04:49] <IdleOne> or just another DoS attack
[04:49] <IdleOne> who knows but it is messing with my logs big time
[05:01] <rww> faenor: Hi. You have a script enabled that automatically responds to uses of the word linux. Talking scripts are against Ubuntu's IRC Guidelines. Please disable it and let me know when you've done so.
[05:01] <faenor> rww: GNU/Linux, not linux
[05:03] <h00k> precicely.
[05:03] <IdleOne> faenor: GNU/Linux
[05:03] <IdleOne> linux
[05:03] <faenor> IdleOne: GNU/Linux, not linux
[05:03] <IdleOne> annoying
[05:03] <IdleOne> turn it off.
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> Yup.  It'd be annoying even if it was manual.  I removed him for the same thing a little while ago.
[05:06] <IdleOne> Do we really need this bot idle in here?
[05:06] <h00k> No.
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> no - I think rww thought there was a human attached
[05:08] <rww> It said "no" about half an hour ago. Figured it was worth a try *shrug*
[05:11] <IdleOne> it was worth a try
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> rww: what just happened in -ot?
[05:14] <rww> tonyyarusso: me and scrollback and Grexo
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> ah
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> wait, why would you just have a banforward on grexo?
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[05:15] <rww> good point
[05:16] <rww> I want to know his new hostnames when he gets them, but don't want him talking in -ot. +q might work better and would involve less prissiness.
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> ah, I see what you mean
[05:18]  * tonyyarusso still has an outstanding ban on him in -ot from 31 Dec 2009, among the various others
[05:19] <rww> the earliest BT entry I know of for him is 13992 from May 2009
[05:19] <rww> Re-reading the log from last times he was in here, I prefer +q.
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> mine was 21132
[05:22] <rww> nethack lies to me. Full moons are not lucky.
[05:42] <IdleOne> ubottu: tell pinnacle about guidelines
[05:45] <IdleOne> pinnacle has agreed to follow guidelines in PM with me.
[05:47] <IdleOne> now he is banned for good
[05:48] <Flannel> IdleOne: be sure to comment in the BT!
[05:48] <IdleOne> just did
[05:49] <IdleOne> first time I need to add a Warning to a comment
[07:49] <rww> !punctuation =~ s/\:  /. /
[07:50] <rww> !punctuation =~ s/  / /
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> BAD RWW
[07:50] <rww> why
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> Two spaces are better :(
[07:50] <rww> no
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> Yes.
[07:51] <rww> no
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> Yes.
[07:51] <rww> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop#Spacing_after_a_full_stop
[07:52] <rww> note that 1) your silly two space convention was caused by typewriters, and everything caused by typewriters is bad. 2) everyone switched to 1 space except silly people :(
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> IRC is monospaced, thus the things relevant for typewriters still apply.
[07:53] <hypatia> i find two spaces aesthetically pleasing
[07:53] <rww> also, 3) the vast majority of factoids use one space, so stop being inconsistent.
[07:53] <hypatia> that's reason enough for me :p
[07:53] <rww> also, 4) I'm just going to sed replace them anyway, so don't bother :(
[07:53] <hypatia> lol
[07:53] <rww> also, 5) hypatia, identify with nickserv
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> The reason you can use a single space normally for digital works is because of the separation of content and presentation - your stylesheet should be defining the width of the space in that contact, rather than the content.  IRC does not have stylesheeets, and thus requires the old content-centric hacks.
[07:54] <rww> cdbs_, gord_, highvolt1ge: y'all need to poke nickserv too. silly netsplits.
[07:55] <maco> rww: she has a point about it still being monospace like typewriter
[07:55] <rww> tonyyarusso is female?
[07:55] <maco> uh. whoops.
[07:55] <maco> s/she/he/
[07:55] <rww> another benefit of gender-neutral pronouns: they hide when you misread lines!
[07:55] <maco> rww: but yeah, didnt you know? she's Tonyya Russo
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> We're just making up for the times maco gets called he.
[07:56] <rww> Antonia Yarusso
[07:56] <bazhang> hah
[07:56] <hypatia> rww: oops
[08:25] <bazhang> apparently ubuntu.com is supplying faulty iso's
[08:27] <Jordan_U> Faulty in what way?
[08:27] <knome> they are red hat iso's ?
[08:27] <bazhang> that is what arney is claiming in #ubuntu
[08:28] <knome> which iso in particular?
[08:28] <bazhang> i386
[08:28] <knome> 10.10 ?
[08:28] <bazhang> yeppers
[08:28] <knome> okay, i'll d/l and check
[08:30] <knome> are they the same iso's which are offered in releases.ubuntu.com ?
[08:31] <Jordan_U> I don't think it's worth entertaining the notion that the isos from Ubuntu.com are faulty.
[08:32] <Jordan_U> bazhang: I think you're giving the comment by Arney more weight than they intended.
[08:33] <bazhang> Jordan_U, indeed it seems like he is badly mistaken, but quite insistent nonetheless
[08:36] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Ok, you were understanding the comment perfectly. I was just running into a common problem I have of assuming too much rationality from people :(
[08:45] <knome> bazhang, sums are kay for me
[08:45] <knome> *okay
[08:45] <bazhang> knome, yep. the user in question is now blaming his uni for the bad md5 hashes
[08:45] <knome> ha
[08:46] <knome> well good luck for him/her.
[08:46] <bazhang> <-----anywhere but here ----->
[08:46] <knome> yep.
[08:48] <knome> that's the common sotry
[08:48] <knome> *story
[08:48] <knome> why can't i type any more...
[08:49] <bazhang> you need a better irc client. get quassel :)
[08:49] <knome> you are saying that fixes typos?
[08:50] <bazhang> it makes you forget you made them :)
[08:50] <knome> awwh
[08:51] <Jordan_U> Does quassel have a good terminal based front end yet?
[08:51] <knome> who needs quassel when you can have irssi ;)
[08:52] <Jordan_U> irssi + screen is surprisingly accessible from public computers. Most campus computers have putty or they're macs.
[08:52] <knome> i've never had a computer from where i couldn't login into irssi+screen
[08:54] <Jordan_U> I had a situation where there were macs that they were trying to lock down so that you could only use the browser. After getting permission (so that I could do homework which required logging into the school's Solaris server) I set Firefox's mailto: handler to Terminal.app :)
[08:55] <knome> haha
[09:11] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I assume you've already notices that the name of Sam_Fisher's "script" is PMS?
[09:11] <ikonia> yes, I'm letting that slide until he explains the problem
[09:22] <kenapa> hi
[09:22] <kenapa> why was i banned in #ubuntu?
[09:23] <ikonia> kenapa: hi, I forwarded you to the channel ##fix_your_connection as it looked like your connection was faulty as you kept joining/leaving the channel
[09:23] <kenapa> really?
[09:23] <ikonia> yes
[09:23] <Jordan_U> O.o
[09:29] <ikonia> insmod's attitude is now starting to offend me, he seems to be purposfully trying to create a conflict
[09:29] <Tm_T> sounds familiar
[09:35] <Flannel> maco: Its not terribly important.  If he wants to type everyone's name, just let him.  At this point, trying to get him to use tab is just creating noise.  Horse and water and such.
[09:35] <maco> hehe ok
[09:35] <ikonia> I suspect he's doing it on purpose
[09:35] <Jordan_U> Yea, especially with the BT history.
[09:36] <ikonia> oh really, I didn't check
[09:36] <bazhang> long time issue
[10:00] <ikonia> silverlightning: hi, what do you need ?
[10:00] <ikonia> satya: can we help ?
[10:00] <satya> ?
[10:00] <silverlightning> how do I login?
[10:00] <cdbs> silverlightning: login to what?
[10:00] <gnomefreak> good morning ikonia
[10:00] <cdbs> silverlightning: ubuntu?
[10:00] <ikonia> satya: you've just this channel, this is for channel/operator issues, do you need something ?
[10:01] <ikonia> gnomefreak: morning
[10:01] <cdbs> satya, silverlightning: read the topic
[10:01] <gnomefreak> ?t
[10:01] <gnomefreak> grrr
[10:10] <ikonia> silverlightning: yes ? can we help ?
[10:14] <ikonia> hello again silverlightning
[10:14] <silverlightning> hi again
[10:15] <silverlightning> :- )
[10:15] <ikonia> can we help you with something
[10:15] <ikonia> you keep joining and leaving
[10:15] <silverlightning> I am rather new to irc
[10:15] <silverlightning> sorry
[10:15] <ikonia> can you please stop doing it as you've been asked ?
[10:16] <silverlightning> earlier this morning I registered and verified an account for ##linux
[10:16] <ikonia> that is nothing we can help with
[10:16] <ikonia> if you have irc help needs, ask in #freenode
[10:17] <silverlightning> I was wondering if there is a list of commands some where, for login and regular functions?
[10:17] <silverlightning> thanks
[10:18] <silverlightning> I shall try freenode
[10:19] <gnomefreak> IIRC there was a few years ago it was limited and basic, but i dont know where to look for them. try the freenode web site maybe its there. you may also want to look at commands regaurding to your client
[10:19] <gnomefreak> ok be back in a few
[14:16] <CrystalLinux> Hi, I can't talk in #ubuntu any help?
[14:38] <elky> Let me look.
[14:40] <elky> You seem perfectly able to talk there.
[14:42] <elky> CrystalLinux, if you have no further enquiries, please part this channel so we know you don't need assistance with issues relating to our channels.
[14:45] <CrystalLinux> OK.
[14:45] <CrystalLinux> Bye.
[16:13] <IdleOne> h00k: did you have any idea what he was trying to do?
[16:13] <h00k> IdleOne: no clue, and I didn't feel like getting into it. I haven't had coffee yet
[16:14] <IdleOne> yeah me either. I sat down and saw him losing his temper so i thought maybe a fresh person might be able to help.
[16:49] <IdleOne> morning Krycek
[16:49] <Krycek> hi
[16:50] <Krycek> IdleOne: i have a ban on #ubuntu and i was told to come back two days, so here i am. :)
[16:51] <IdleOne> Krycek: yes, was just reading up on it to remind myself
[16:51] <IdleOne> So basically here is the thing
[16:52] <IdleOne> I need you to agree not to swear in any Ubuntu channels. acronyms like F this or F**K or wtf are not acceptable.
[16:52] <IdleOne> going to have the bot send you two links
[16:52] <IdleOne> !guidelines > Krycek
[16:52] <IdleOne> !CoC > Krycek
[16:52] <Krycek> sure, even wtf omfg omg wich one ? all of it? :)
[16:53] <IdleOne> if you can agree to follow our guidelines I can remove the ban.
[16:53] <IdleOne> the F word is the big one
[16:53] <Krycek> how can i see pm in irssi ?
[16:53] <Krycek> k
[16:53] <IdleOne> but any and all words that you wouldn't say in church
[16:53] <Krycek> ah..
[16:54] <Krycek> but how too check your pm?
[16:54] <IdleOne> Krycek: /win win_number
[16:54] <IdleOne> usually the highest number is the one where you received the last private msg
[16:54] <Krycek> ? is the command /win too check the pm ??
[16:55] <Krycek> number from ?
[16:55] <IdleOne> Krycek: see #irssi for more help with that
[16:55] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[16:55] <IdleOne> !coc
[16:56] <IdleOne> Krycek: You need to read the links before agreeing ?
[17:00] <Krycek> im sorry eating at the same time working and talking inn here.. what agreement ? ah the guidelines, ok will do. just im sorry to head in the channel and ask with my little time.
[17:00] <Krycek> thanks
[17:01] <IdleOne> Krycek: you are unbanned now. Please keep in mind if we have a similar issue it will be more difficult to get unbanned next time.
[17:01] <IdleOne> Have a good day.
[17:01] <IdleOne> Please /part this channel :)
[18:15] <ikonia> PPA's (in my view) are now growing in problem creation over problem resolution
[18:16] <IdleOne> ikonia: agreed
[18:17] <IdleOne> used to be PPA was unsupported but you knew you could still have some trust in them being safe/stable enough not to break everything
[18:18] <mneptok> significantly lowering the barrier to entry for package creation punches Darwin in the face
[18:20] <ikonia> I think I've hit the point where they now offer no value due to the lack of quality control, validation and the ease of adding them without thought or consideration
[18:22] <gord> thats a little harsh
[18:22] <gord> no value? no, thats just invalid
[18:23] <gord> it comes down to, and has always come down to this no matter your platform, do you trust your sources?
[18:23] <ikonia> sorry, that's just how a I feel
[19:33] <ikonia> hello thethinker
[19:34] <thethinker> hi
[19:35] <ikonia> how can we help you today ?
[19:35] <thethinker> is this where the ops for ubuntu's offical channel "#ubuntu" hang out?
[19:35] <ikonia> thethinker: it sure is
[19:35] <thethinker> well, ive been waiting for more that 20 min to get help
[19:36] <ikonia> get help, in what way where ?
[19:36] <thethinker> im having a sound issue and was wanting advice to remedy it
[19:37] <ikonia> ok, well that's not really something we can help with, people are under no obligation to know the answer, or even help. It's free service made up of people giving their time when and how they want
[19:37] <ikonia> the best advice is to wait in #ubuntu and ask your question every 15 minutes or so (if you are not getting a response)
[19:37] <thethinker> it just is that im not being even being agnoaged
[19:38] <ikonia> again, no-one has to engage you
[19:38] <IdleOne> thethinker: if people don't know the answer they won't respond
[19:38] <ikonia> most of the time though people will help out
[19:38] <thethinker> is there a better way to get support for my issue?
[19:38] <IdleOne> ask every 10-15 minutes, there is a lot of coming and going in the channel, sooner or later someone will help
[19:39] <ikonia> thethinker: if you need a response, there are paid for options, there is also other resources such as the Ubuntu forums, but there is no promise that it will be better
[19:39] <thethinker> are the forums usally helpful?
[19:40] <ikonia> no more/less than IRC
[19:40] <ikonia> there is some great content, and some poor
[19:41] <IdleOne> most often a well formulated question will get the best possible answers
[19:41] <thethinker> i have formatted my question well
[19:41] <IdleOne> I wasn't implying you didn't
[19:41] <IdleOne> just saying
[19:42] <ikonia> I guess not much more you can do, just sit and wait it out,
[19:43] <thethinker> would be interesting to see how many of the 1524 users in #ubuntu are actually there instead of connected
[19:43] <ikonia> most are active at some point during the day
[19:44] <ikonia> people come and go
[19:44] <mneptok> thethinker: once you get your sound issue worked out, start on writing that Linux webcam spy app ;)
[19:44] <thethinker> what?
[19:44] <thethinker> i dont understand
[19:44] <mneptok> come and monitor who is actually at the keyboard :)
[19:44] <thethinker> haha, u made a funny
[19:45] <ikonia> thethinker: anything else we can help you with ?
[19:45] <IdleOne> mneptok: is being silly as he often does.
[19:45] <mneptok> i have my moments. they are few.
[19:45] <thethinker> not really, just fustrated at my sound issue
[19:45] <IdleOne> I honestly don't understand why he is even in here
[19:45] <ikonia> thethinker: well, I guess the best option is to leave this channel, return to #ubuntu and wait it out
[19:45] <thethinker> thanks
[19:46] <mneptok> thethinker: like someone mentioned, there are pay-for support options from Canonical (the distributors of Ubuntu). other than that option, though, there are no guarantees.
[19:46] <IdleOne> very helpful, after they leave :/
[19:47] <mneptok> you also get support if your computer comes with Ubuntu pre-installed on it (from Dell, System76, Zareason etc).
[19:47] <mneptok> had a buffer.
[19:47] <ikonia> me too, lag kicked in bad for some reason then ?
[19:49] <IdleOne> last night was really bad for me lag wise
[19:49] <ikonia> I was fine until about 2 seconds before he left
[19:50] <ikonia> I had a line waiting to print, then he left and I lost connection
[19:50] <ikonia> laters all
[19:51] <IdleOne> later
[19:55] <IdleOne> gokill was told yesterday a few times that we don't support blackbuntu
[20:51]  * marienz pokes idoru
[20:53] <tsimpson> maybe it doesn't catch people flooding with many different nicks?
[20:53] <marienz> it usually does
[20:57] <marienz> I think I taught it to kill these
[20:57] <marienz> (we've also removed the hosts that just spammed for a while)
[21:24] <IdleOne> @mark #ubuntu iJosh (~pentester@cpc10-oxfd18-2-0-cust127.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Rage quit.
[22:32] <nhandler> For anyone interested: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dupa (re: piotrek's last comment in #ubuntu)
[23:56] <IdleOne> I think we need to create a bot that will collect names of users who have root enabled. We can add a !iamroot is <reply> if you really insist on enabling root please /msg RootBot how to root?
[23:57] <IdleOne> then the bot can add a +q for that user in the channel and we can forget about ever having to hear about how Ubuntu sucks and is broken
[23:57] <IdleOne> +1?