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HazRPG\o morning01:51
MartijnVdS\o04:48
* ball thinks aboutpie04:50
ballbrb, installing Ubuntu05:32
HazRPGprobably a weird question... but can you install a version of dropbox onto ubuntu serveR?06:11
MartijnVdSHazRPG: dropbox-client I guess you mean?06:11
HazRPGyeah06:11
MartijnVdSHazRPG: http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall :)06:11
HazRPGbecause I really really want to remove win2003 from my home server06:11
MartijnVdSHazRPG: (google: dropbox client command line)06:11
HazRPGheh thanks06:12
* MartijnVdS is preparing an IKEA shopping list06:12
HazRPGI was trying "dropbox ubuntu server" and was getting nothing06:12
HazRPGMartijnVdS: :( my nearest idea is 2hr drive away :(06:12
HazRPGikea*06:13
HazRPGwhen I was in Saudi, all my stuff pretty much came from ikea06:13
MartijnVdSHazRPG: I live ~30 minutes from 4 ikeas :)06:13
HazRPGwow not fair06:13
HazRPGsee, because I live too far away, they won't deliver to my house :(06:14
MartijnVdSHazRPG: living in the middle of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randstad ++06:14
HazRPGI've been to Utrecht :)06:14
MartijnVdSHazRPG: I live in the middle between Utrecht and Leiden06:15
HazRPGnice06:15
HazRPGis it easy to install via LAN?06:18
HazRPGI know most computers and servers these days have an option at boot that says "click ... to install/boot from LAN"06:18
HazRPGnever tried to do it before, don't even know where to begin06:18
HazRPGother than google lol06:19
MartijnVdSHazRPG: I've done it :)06:19
MartijnVdSyears ago, so it should be easier now :P06:19
MartijnVdSYou need to set up a DHCP + PXE server in your LAN06:19
MartijnVdSthen have the boot-rom of your to-be-installed machine boot from LAN (PXE)06:19
MartijnVdSand that's it really06:19
HazRPGwonder if I can do that via a vm06:21
MartijnVdSif you put all VMs on a vlan, and don't have a dhcp server on that vlan yet, you can do it06:22
MartijnVdS(by making another vm the dhcp/pxe server)06:22
MartijnVdSif there is already a dhcp server, you can have it forward unknown clients to the PXE server06:22
HazRPGI don't have a dhcp server other than my router really06:23
HazRPGnever saw the need to have an acutal dhcp server06:23
MartijnVdSthat might confuse things06:23
MartijnVdSunless you put the VMs on a completely separate vlan06:23
MartijnVdSso you get:06:23
MartijnVdS(router) -- (vmhost (vlan1 vm1 vm2 vm3))06:24
MartijnVdSor even06:24
MartijnVdS(router) -- (vmhost (vlan1 vm1 vm2 vm3) (vlan2 vm3 vm4))06:24
MartijnVdSetc.06:24
MartijnVdSvmhost will have to route its internal (vlan) IPs properly in that case06:25
MartijnVdSit'll teach you a lot about networking (but it's easy to set up)06:25
MartijnVdSAs long as you don't use overlapping network ranges06:25
MartijnVdS(say your home net is 192.168.0.0/24, use 10.0.0.0/24 (or something) for the vm vlan06:26
MartijnVdS</ramble>06:26
HazRPGhehe interesting06:26
* MartijnVdS sucked up all this knowledge once.. but now I just write Perl for a living ;)06:27
MartijnVdSstop making me feel old :P06:27
HazRPGI'm not :P06:27
HazRPGI learned networking years ago too, but well we never used VM's06:27
HazRPGsee I'm probably making more work for myself then needed....06:27
MartijnVdSHazRPG: keep doing that.. it's the basis of knowledge and experience :)06:28
HazRPGI just installed ubuntu server into a vm on my win2003 machine via rdp, and now have ubuntu server setup on it06:28
MartijnVdSit's why people at work tell me "How and WHY do you know all this?"06:28
HazRPGhaha same :P06:28
MartijnVdSHazRPG: I used to be a Debian developer, ~8 years ago :)06:29
HazRPGsee I want to get out of the habit of relying on a mouse and point-click applications for a server06:29
HazRPGI want to get into the habit that not all servers actually have screens or even rdp (or vnc)06:29
HazRPGMartijnVdS: nice06:29
HazRPGusing ssh, tty, etc06:30
MartijnVdSHazRPG: knowing Debian packaging has helped a lot with the upgrade from FleaBSD -> Debian @ work ;)06:30
HazRPGI want to get into the habit of using such tools06:30
HazRPGI can imagine :P06:30
HazRPGI want to feel like I am actually in control of my server, and not my server controlling me06:30
MartijnVdSHazRPG: the only programs I have running on my desktop are a web browser, banshee and 6 terminals :)06:31
HazRPGhaha06:31
HazRPGwhat you got going on in the terminals? I have a feeling iirsi is one of them06:31
MartijnVdSHazRPG: irssi on my vps (ssh)06:31
MartijnVdSI've been moving music around, so directory listings in two of them06:32
MartijnVdSone "idle"06:32
MartijnVdSoh one isn't a terminal, it's gvim (gvim > vim, because it detects "paste" automatically and has more colours/font options :)06:33
HazRPGwow, see this is the feeling I hate right now, looking at the ubuntu server terminal... and I feel like it should be doing stuff, but I haven't got a mouse to control06:33
* HazRPG does a ifconfig since its one of few commands I know06:33
MartijnVdSHazRPG: you don't have to do stuff :)06:33
MartijnVdSThe server does stuff.06:33
HazRPGMartijnVdS: hehe06:34
HazRPGhmm, I know wget06:34
HazRPGand ftp#06:34
MartijnVdSHazRPG: aptitude06:34
MartijnVdSHazRPG: do you know vim?06:34
HazRPGI know nano...06:35
MartijnVdSHazRPG: time to learn vim then :)06:35
MartijnVdSHazRPG: install the "vim" package (the basic/mini vim package in the basic install is poo)06:35
MartijnVdSvimtutor should then give you an overview of the editor :)06:36
HazRPGhmm, apparently it couldn't lock /var/lib/dpkg06:36
MartijnVdS(but ignore the "thou shalt use hjkl")06:36
MartijnVdSHazRPG: are you root?06:36
HazRPGI logged in as my user...06:37
MartijnVdSHazRPG: sudo aptitude install foobarbaz06:37
HazRPGoh, I did sudo apt-get install vim06:37
MartijnVdSapt-get, aptitude.. same thing mostly06:37
HazRPGstill couldn't lock it apparently06:38
HazRPGhold on06:38
MartijnVdSis another apt/dpkg running?06:38
HazRPGit shouldn't be... I only just installed it06:38
HazRPGis there a way to find out?06:39
MartijnVdSps faux | less06:39
MartijnVdS!pipes06:39
HazRPGheh I know pipes :P06:39
HazRPGdoesn't appear to be running...06:41
MartijnVdSHazRPG: pastebin the prompt + command + output (of apt) and I'll have a look06:44
HazRPGI just restarted it06:45
HazRPGctrl+alt+del style06:45
HazRPGwoot, its working now :)06:46
HazRPGokay, so vim is installed now :)06:46
MartijnVdSvimtutor06:46
HazRPGwow, text file teacher ^^06:48
HazRPGMartijnVdS: so is this actually better than nano?06:57
* ball uses joe06:57
shaunonano's nice because it's easy to explain to people who have only ever used notepad.  vim wins in every other respect possible06:58
HazRPGfeels weird using hjkl06:59
HazRPGwasd or arrow keys would have been more natural ^^06:59
MartijnVdSHazRPG: like I said, just use arrows :)07:00
MartijnVdSvim doesn't care07:00
HazRPGholy cow!07:00
HazRPGwoo!07:00
HazRPG:P07:00
MartijnVdSold vims cared07:00
MartijnVdSsometimes if your terminal is set wrong vim cares07:01
MartijnVdSbut that only happens when I ssh to old freebsd boxes (and it might be a misconfigured vim in that case)07:01
HazRPGyeah I figured there would be a reason07:01
shaunohjkl are kinda nice once you get used to them; and start discovering they work in other places :)07:01
HazRPGI should really brush up on my apache too after this...07:02
HazRPGI set the win2003 one up years ago and never touched it since07:02
HazRPGwell I add more domains and subdomains to it every now and then, but that's all07:03
HazRPGMartijnVdS: what shall I do after I've finished this tutorial?07:10
MartijnVdSHazRPG: set it as your default editor, and use it a lot :)07:12
HazRPGhow do I do that?07:13
MartijnVdSupdate-alternatives --config editor07:13
HazRPGvim.tiny or vim.basic?07:14
MartijnVdSbasic07:15
MartijnVdStiny is the mini-vim that's installed in the base system (with most optional features turned off)07:15
HazRPGah07:15
HazRPGI still think nano looks better, but I'm sure I'll begin to love vim more once I go through this tutorial :P07:16
MartijnVdSHazRPG: you can customize vim using ~/.vimrc and the ~/.vim directory07:16
MartijnVdSdon't know if the tutorial covers that07:17
MartijnVdSHazRPG: http://paste.ubuntu.com/569052/07:18
MartijnVdSHazRPG: my .vimrc :)07:18
HazRPGaccording to ls -a07:20
HazRPGI don't have .vimrc or .vim07:21
MartijnVdSyou can create one07:21
HazRPGI have a .viminfo07:21
MartijnVdSthat's the "session" file, where it stores command history etc.07:21
HazRPGah07:21
MartijnVdSHazRPG: check out my vimrc, then inside vim try (for each option):07:22
HazRPGheh, so can I wget that paste you sent ^^07:22
MartijnVdSESC :help optionname07:22
MartijnVdSHazRPG: you could, yes :)07:22
MartijnVdSHazRPG: Also install the vim-addon-manager and vim-scripts packages07:23
MartijnVdSHazRPG: then you can enable some plugins with vim-addons (lists), vim-addons install foo (guess) and vim-addons remove foo (guess again)07:23
MartijnVdS(the plugin info is stored in ~/.vim/ so you can run vim-addons as your-user instead of root07:24
HazRPGcool07:24
MartijnVdSthe gnupg extension is cool, it allows you to edit encrypted files (without the unencrypted version hitting disk)07:25
ballIt's 01:32. I should really go to bed instead of potching with Ubuntu One.07:32
MartijnVdSball: your mind still thinks it's 7:3507:35
MartijnVdSHazRPG: http://imgur.com/TVmDF.png07:36
HazRPGMartijnVdS: thanks07:37
HazRPGbtw, vim now comes with errors >_<07:37
MartijnVdSHazRPG: what does it say?07:38
HazRPGwhat doesn't it say >_<07:38
HazRPGdownloaded the .vimrc file07:38
MartijnVdSHazRPG: pastebin the error output :)07:38
HazRPGall 98 lines of it?07:38
MartijnVdSsure07:38
HazRPG>_<07:38
MartijnVdSHazRPG: the last few lines is ok too07:39
HazRPGhmm, seems you can't type vim > argh.log07:40
HazRPGmust be a way to save the output right?07:40
MartijnVdSHazRPG: you can but it gets messy :)07:40
MartijnVdSHazRPG: copy/paste from the terminal window!07:40
HazRPGbit hard to do when I'm using the actual server07:41
MartijnVdSHazRPG: ok, retype the last line then07:41
MartijnVdSmaybe 207:41
* HazRPG should really remote access this thing...07:41
MartijnVdSinstall sshd, done07:41
ballI'm configuring Ubuntu One for the first time. Should I tick 'Files' in the Services tab of the preferences tool if I want to try sharing a file between two machines?07:42
ball...I thought I might get a magical folder appear on the desktop07:42
MartijnVdSball: you get a magical folder in ~/Ubuntu\ One07:42
MartijnVdSball: as long as "Files" is enabled, I guess07:42
MartijnVdSHazRPG: I'm going afk.. sorry07:43
HazRPGhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/569060/07:43
MartijnVdSHazRPG: try removing the vimrc and then re-adding each line (one at a time) to find the bug07:43
MartijnVdSah07:44
HazRPGalso, sshd not found07:44
MartijnVdS^M -> Windows line-endings :)07:44
ballMartijnVdS: Thanks07:44
MartijnVdSHazRPG: apt-get install ssh07:44
HazRPGMartijnVdS: it pops up with an error for all lines, so I'm guessing wget not possible ^^07:44
ballI'm off to bed for an hour or two07:45
HazRPGoh see I thought it was just ssh - thought sshd was a new one or something xD07:45
ballthanks again07:45
HazRPGball: night dude :)07:45
HazRPGsnap07:45
AlanBellmorning peeps08:16
shaunojust found a post showing how to get ssh/pam to work with google's "2-part auth" tokens.  Can't quite decide whether this is a good thing or not08:23
AlanBellshauno: what does that mean?08:25
AlanBelllog on to ubuntu using your google credentials?08:25
shaunoregular user/pass, but with the pin from their software token also08:26
shauno(specifically adding it to /etc/pam.d/sshd; not suggesting it'd be remotely sensible for local auth)08:27
shaunohttp://www.mnxsolutions.com/security/two-factor-ssh-with-google-authenticator.html08:27
HazRPGAlanBell: morning my good man08:31
HazRPGshauno: top of the morning to ya08:32
HazRPGshauno: hmmm... ssh... pam... *gust of wind rushes over my head*08:32
HazRPGI've currently got a putty window to my vm ubuntu server open... and all I see is "hazrpg@hedgehog:~$" and I'm thinking... "is it doing anything??"08:33
* HazRPG really wishes his knowledge in linux server was much better than knowing nothing08:34
HazRPGI blame microsoft for this and college08:34
HazRPGall the college ever taught us was how to setup and manage a windows server :/08:35
HazRPGironically, in the last year they said "oh... guess what linux server is much better than windows server" and we all went "then why did we bother getting taught windows server!?" ... seems the reason is because most corps/colleges/uni's use windows server more than linux servers08:36
AlanBellHazRPG: top08:36
shaunoat that point it's doing exactly the same thing Terminal does in gnome.  It's waiting for you :)08:36
AlanBellor for more pretties08:36
AlanBellsudo apt-get install htop08:36
AlanBellhtop08:36
AlanBellpress q to get back to the command prompt08:37
* AlanBell waves at czajkowski 08:37
czajkowskiAlanBell: morning08:37
AlanBellmorning08:37
czajkowskiAlanBell: how did you know I was awake08:38
shaunonatty in a vm, I appear to get gnome with a global menubar going.  Is that the fallback if I'm missing accel?08:38
AlanBellit is farnham beerex ticket day tomorrow08:38
AlanBellczajkowski: I felt a disturbance in the force08:38
czajkowskiindeed08:38
HazRPGAlanBell: ooooooo, I really like that!08:40
* HazRPG gives AlanBell >9000 points of awesome08:41
AlanBellnom http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-1250534408:42
HazRPGAlanBell: heh you use the pidgin plugin too?08:43
AlanBellno, I use irssi08:43
HazRPGAlanBell: hmm...08:47
AlanBellwhat pidgin plugin did you mean?08:48
HazRPG"Psychic Mode"08:49
HazRPGC&P from the plugin info: "Causes conversation windows to appear as other users begin to message you."08:49
HazRPGand it always shows something similar to "I fell a disturbance in the force"08:50
HazRPGfeel*08:50
HazRPGAlanBell: htop is sexy :)08:51
HazRPGwow, apparently there's 10 /usr/sbin/mysqld running, is that normal?08:52
AlanBellthreads08:52
HazRPGah, so these aren't individual processes, its just all the threads running08:52
AlanBellno, I just watched star wars the other day08:53
HazRPGwow, 74MB used... I think my win2003 server uses a minimum of 300MB... and that's with most services turned off08:53
HazRPGAlanBell: you know what, I've still not ever watched star wars (yes I know that's bad...)08:54
AlanBellit is!08:54
HazRPGI'll get round to it one day :/08:54
HazRPGit just isn't on the top of my massive to-do list08:55
* HazRPG should really learn where stuff gets stored in linux08:55
AlanBellthere is a factoid for that, which I will now get wrong . . .08:56
AlanBell!fsh08:56
HazRPGor rather debian/ubuntu in this case (because if I recall it uses a few different ones)08:56
AlanBellyup, thought I would get it wrong08:56
HazRPG:P08:56
AlanBell!filesystem08:56
lubotu3An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview  see also: man hier08:56
daubersMorning08:57
HazRPGwow, shocked at how many I actually already knew08:58
AlanBellfhs is the abbreviation I never get right08:58
HazRPGFHile System lol08:58
HazRPGsomeone clearly extended the F sound in fhs08:58
daubersThought it was hfs08:59
HazRPGsee hfs would make more sense08:59
daubershierarchical file system08:59
HazRPGexactly08:59
AlanBellI was going for file system hierachy08:59
HazRPGso is it hfs?09:00
AlanBellfiles, dirs, file, fhs, filesystem are aliases for that factoid09:00
daubersNo, it is FHS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard09:00
HazRPGrandom09:01
AlanBellhttp://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=filesystem09:01
AlanBellthe brain of the bot ^^09:01
* HazRPG is so glad he knows the man command09:01
daubershfs is the osx filesyste09:01
daubersm09:02
* daubers goes to work09:06
czajkowski*yawns*09:06
HazRPGis there a big difference from cron and crond?09:09
shaunothat's an odd one.  sort of, but no. (cron doesn't really exist ;)09:13
HazRPGoh09:13
shaunothink of it as 'cron' is a task; and 'crond' is the actual daemon that sits in the background fulfilling that task09:14
HazRPGah09:14
shaunolike when apache calls itself a httpd.  it's not a http.  apache isn't the protocol.  it's the bit of software responsible for answering that protocol09:15
HazRPGwhich would be why it has a d at the end (maybe? d = daemon?)09:15
shaunobingo09:15
HazRPGsee I remember when apache use to actually be shown as a process in windows as "apache.exe" it really confused me when I saw "httpd" at first09:16
HazRPGsee I've used cronjobs before, but never via from a terminal09:17
HazRPGalways used cpanel or similar09:17
HazRPGI know what sort of things to type into a cronjob, but where would I store it?09:18
HazRPGseems like there's a few places from what I can see09:18
HazRPG/etc/crontab for example09:18
HazRPGalthough that's system-wide and probably wouldn't be the best place unless it was doing backups09:18
HazRPGcd /etc/cron.d09:19
HazRPGoops, wrong window09:19
shaunoif it's a job that's going to belong to 'you', crontab -e09:19
AlanBellI would always do crontab -e09:19
AlanBellor sudo crontab -e if you want root's crontab09:20
shaunoit creates the appropriate file if it doesn't exist, and does some sanity checking09:20
HazRPGdoes that just store it in /home/<user>/09:20
AlanBellin /var/spool/cron/crontabs according to man crontab09:21
HazRPGheh, yeah I was just looking through that after I typed my question09:22
HazRPGokay, so by my estimation... /var/spool/cron/crontabs/hazrpg would be created if I made a cronjob09:23
AlanBellincidentally, if you are looking at man pages, the command line luurve tip on this episode is rather handy :) http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2009/09/17/s02e13-the-tribe-of-gum/09:27
HazRPGAlanBell: noted09:30
* HazRPG clicks play09:30
HazRPGbeen going through the latest season of the podcast recently09:31
HazRPGreally liking it09:31
HazRPGalthough people who come into the room when I have it playing go "what the ..."#09:32
HazRPGman I hope to be as good as you guys one day09:32
HazRPGhmm, this is interesting... just trying out this "fiery cola" from tescos09:35
HazRPG"with a hint of chilli"09:35
HazRPGhow odd09:35
HazRPGAlanBell: ooo apparently there's a bit of PXE in this, interesting was talking MartijnVdS about this earlier :)09:43
HazRPGinteresting; I was*09:44
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HazRPGI need a 3rd monitor for desktop widgets lol10:19
HazRPGthis seems too good to be true: http://webhostingfirm.co.uk/10:24
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DJonesWho is it thats growing chilli's http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-1250534410:54
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HazRPGDJones: secretly its me10:59
HazRPGbuahahaha10:59
HazRPGnah, isn't it Nick Woods?10:59
HazRPGI'm sure it said his name on the site and in the audio interview11:00
DJonesHazRPG: Pretty sure its either AlanBell or theopensourcerer11:00
HazRPGoh...11:01
HazRPGheh I thought you meant the guy that the interview was about11:01
DJonesNo, not this time, someone here likes growing chilli's11:01
HazRPGDJones: could be AlanBell since he linked it11:07
AlanBellTheOpenSourcerer is the chilli fiend, I have grown them a few times but I don't have any on the go at the moment11:52
* daubers needs to set off some chillis soon12:03
ubuntuuk-planet[Phil Bull] Cape Town; Talks - http://philbull.livejournal.com/58159.html12:07
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Neotihi people.... im back on the media center question .... sorry.... i have been using XBMC and love it however would this work with ubuntu 64bit and XBMC IE would it be smooth etc ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkuV6RCPIuM&NR=112:29
gord_Neoti, ion chips work fine with ubuntu and xbmc12:32
gord_i run one myself12:32
gord_... tail? again?!12:32
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Neoticool12:39
Neotiis it smooth on a ion box tho12:39
Neotii dont want video stuttering etc12:39
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AlanBellhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7snWiHvpwc12:53
brobostigonafternoonings everyone,12:56
nucc1does rsync automatically follow symlinks?13:03
Neotiok im going to buy ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray HD-ID34 and have ubuntu 10.10 and xbmc on there, but in the video it shows using cyberlink, will ubuntu handdle the blueray stuff ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24jEyaGYNzw&feature=related13:05
BigRedSnucc1: by default, yeah. There's a few options to control how it handles htem13:06
nucc1cool, thanks, i was just a little confused about what it does with symlinks by default13:06
gordNeoti, no, blu-ray is heavily drm'ed, only official blu-ray players can play back blu-ray's13:10
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brobostigonweird, i just got lagged off.13:16
dutchieso did lots of people13:16
brobostigonah, i see.13:16
brobostigon:(13:16
Neotigord, so ubuntu can not play bluray etc ?13:18
brobostigonthere might be something inside vlc to do it,13:19
gordNeoti, not without an official player, you can decrypt some old blu-ray stuff but i wouldn't recommend it, the same is true of any platform though13:22
gordif you want something to play blu-rays, honestly you need a blu-ray player, a ps3 or something13:22
dennyoog13:40
dennygot a guy in ##linux who has installed activestate perl over his ubuntu perl and made a mess13:41
dennyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/569161/13:41
dennythat's the output from trying to apt-get install perl13:41
dennyany idea how to get him back to ubuntu-packaged perl?13:41
raheelneed help to set max pages per JOB while printing to avoid accidental printing of huge amount of pages is it even possible13:53
raheelhasnt anyone setup a print server before???14:11
ballAlanBell: Fork liked your chicken video.14:18
AlanBell:)14:18
AlanBellI should do more chick flicks I think14:19
popey:D14:20
nigelblol14:20
nigelband AlanBell joins the long list of directors who've done chick flicks :p14:20
AlanBellpopey has held a chicken, I just failed to take a photo at the time14:20
popey:)14:21
popeynext time14:21
popeyI'll bring my HD camcorder :)14:21
AlanBellbeerfest14:21
popeyoooo14:21
* ball <- running Ubuntu 10.10 for a change.14:22
gingwas it a live chickedn or 1 ready to be cooked/eaten?14:22
nigelbit was with 3 live chicken14:22
AlanBellquite lively14:22
nigelbAlanBell: what happened to Hermione?14:22
ballHello other alan_14:22
AlanBellnigelb: a sad ending :(14:23
nigelbAlanBell: :(14:23
nigelboh, Google Doodle for cricket14:23
AlanBellging: http://twitpic.com/1qdq0f14:24
gingAlanBell: basicly you have covered all 3 in that single picture14:24
nigelb3?14:25
gingwell there are lives ones and 1 that looks cooked on 1 side and raw on the other side14:26
AlanBellheh, don't eat that!14:26
AlanBellit is raw, but marinated on one side with a spicy marinade, the other side is for the kids14:26
gingthe kids do not like flavour?14:27
AlanBellnot if it includes nandos hot sauce14:28
nigelbheh14:31
brobostigoni think it might be worth my while to run natty, as debian, does not have an uptodate gnome-shell version, whereas natty has a gnome-shell daily ppa.14:41
brobostigonthat will mean doing the bzr ssh key setup, that i did yesterday, alover again.14:45
domjohnsonWow.15:00
domjohnsonThe new Chrome for Linux ad is really pretty clear15:00
domjohnsonTargets Linux users well15:00
domjohnsonThen again, it probably won't work - it targets the real 'hard core' linux users - developer-ey people, who I would imagine are also the ones more into OSS15:01
domjohnson*FOSS15:01
MartijnVdSFLOSS 8-)15:02
gordi thought chrome was just the google branded version of chromium?15:03
MartijnVdSit is15:03
Azelphurhahaha, got my Desire Z to 1.8ghz15:10
MartijnVdSAzelphur: then it exploded?15:12
AzelphurMartijnVdS: quite possibly, I am noticing that wifi won't work15:12
Azelphurbut I got my 2.7k+ quadrant score :D15:12
gorddoes it have to power down after you get past the boot animation because of low battery now?15:13
Azelphurgord: nope, that's what the 3000mAh extended battery is for15:14
nigelbdomjohnson: linky?15:14
nigelbgord: lol15:14
gordsigh, i wish i could get a bigger battery for my netbook, they only make 3 cell ones :(15:15
Azelphurgord: my phone has a higher clock than my netbook now lol15:15
Azelphurhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/February%202011/screenshot.png15:15
gordmy netbook is honestly, just a phone with a keyboard/big display15:16
Azelphurhehe15:16
gordi think 1.6 ghz? dual core arm15:16
nigelbgord: so your netbook can make cals?15:16
nigelb*calls15:16
gordnigelb, maybe, does have a 3g bit, but the stock android didn't have call support15:17
gordthe insides are honestly just a cellphone and empty space15:17
nigelboh, didn't know that.15:17
gordhttp://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2010/09/inside-ac100-550x412.jpg the insides15:18
gordtis arm, they don't even know how to make things not small ;)15:18
Azelphurhaha15:18
domjohnsonnigelb - I can't find a link to the advert - you'll probably come across it at some time soon, though, if you're ofteno n Google AdSense sites15:18
gordif they were smart they would of just filled all that empty space with battery, shame really15:19
nigelbheh15:19
nigelbgord: I'm guessing most of your work involving ssh-ing to servers, etc?15:19
gordwhen you work on a window manager, yes, ssh'ing in is rather useful as if you try and gdb compiz from inside a compiz controlled display, things get messy ;)15:20
MartijnVdSgord: also, screen :)15:24
nigelbheh15:27
duncan_duncan16:29
duncan_hello all16:29
BigRedShello16:30
duncan_Hi I seem to have stumbled in here   Whilst trying to configure my  Web cam :(16:32
BigRedSduncan_: I might not be much use, but on the offchance I am (or someone else reads this :) ), what're you trying, what happens, and what do you expect to happen?16:32
duncan_Not sure realy   bought the thing to skype with on the windoze  but it seems to have a conflic with the Monitor...  Thought I might try it on the linux but cant seem to find a suitable driver  for it ..16:34
AlanBellwhat model is it?16:35
duncan_SPC230NC  it did work but then the monitor stopped displaying.  The monitor is fine as iḿ using it now16:37
duncan_Sorry thats a Philips16:37
AlanBellduncan_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=100949016:37
* AlanBell pops out to the shops o/16:38
duncan_Thanks Alan16:43
TheOpenSourcererRMS is on tour in the UK in March: http://www.theiet.org/local/emea/europe/richard-stallman.cfm17:03
MartijnVdSClose all doors & windows17:04
MartijnVdSstay inside17:04
MartijnVdSetc.?17:04
gordwhen you say it like that, it just sounds like he is in a band ;)17:08
gordhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJJzqSFfXs this band comes to mind, i would imagine him as grandpa dizzy there17:09
popeywe requested an interview with RMS17:09
MartijnVdSgord: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ17:10
popeyhe said yes under certain conditions17:10
popey1) We refer to GNU/Linux, not Linux.17:10
popey2) We refer to Free Software, not Open Source17:10
popey3) He be allowed to criticise Ubuntu17:10
popey4) We release the show in Ogg format only.17:10
MartijnVdS...17:10
TheOpenSourcererlol - At least he sticks to his principles I guess.17:11
* AlanBell suggested a solution to #417:11
grogoreohi17:11
popey:)17:12
gordAlanBell, out of interest, what was the solution?17:13
=== Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte
AlanBellcome round and pose the same interview questions to my chickens for the MP3 version17:14
grogoreoI'm trying to rip a CD with Sound Juicer/Rhythmbox. MP3 isn't working (the bitrate doesn't keep to what I set) so am using AAC which works fine but is missing tags for the artist and track though they come up in the file and folder names. Any ideas how I can change this?17:14
MartijnVdSgrogoreo: the bitrate is variable, with the set value as an average17:14
MartijnVdSgrogoreo: this means it can take a few more bits for "hard" parts, and can skip a few on "easy" parts17:15
MartijnVdSgiving better quality for the same file size17:15
Myrttifortunately I have a brilliant excuse not to go listen RMS in Cambridge17:17
MyrttiI was getting worried I'd be forced to go17:17
grogoreoMartijnVdS, but I've set the quality to a high number and even on a long song much alot going on the file size seems low. Also here said there is a problem with gstreamer and lame https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping17:20
MartijnVdSgrogoreo: rip to flac, rhythmbox understands it, and will auto-convert to a format your mp3 player understands :)17:21
MartijnVdSalso, it's lossless17:21
NafalloMartijnVdS: I thought we were moving away from Rhythmbox as the default? :-)17:22
MartijnVdSNafallo: banshee does the same thing17:22
grogoreohmm, that's going to take awhile. I've got a lot of CDs to rip.17:22
MartijnVdSalso banshee is buggy17:22
MartijnVdSgrogoreo: I have 400, did it in a weekend :)17:22
grogoreoyou're just showing off!17:22
MartijnVdSno really17:22
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NafalloMartijnVdS: is it? I've been using it for quite some months with less issues than with rhythmbox now :-)17:23
MartijnVdSNafallo: it doesn't stop at the end of an album for me17:23
MartijnVdSNafallo: it keeps looping17:23
NafalloMartijnVdS: hmm. I don't use it that way, but have you tried turning off repeat? :-)17:24
MartijnVdSNafallo: repeat is off :)17:24
NafalloMartijnVdS: how sure are you about that? ;-)17:24
MartijnVdSvery17:25
Nafallochecked the source code and verified the button is actually supposed to do something? ;-)17:25
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* brobostigon returns17:41
* BigRedS linefeeds17:42
=== ikonia_ is now known as ikonia
* brobostigon struggles with natty.17:42
BigRedSI gave up on natty a couple of weeks a go. I just can't get used to unity17:43
MartijnVdSBigRedS: you can get the old desktop by choosing it from the login screen17:44
BigRedSMartijnVdS: ah, the whole point of trying natty was to see if I liked unity :) It's only a VM17:45
brobostigonBigRedS: the whole ofgnome, including unity, seems to be taking every opportunity to freeze, die and or more, atevery evailable opportunity.17:45
BigRedSbrobostigon: yeah, it's stories like that which are putting me off sticking it on real hardware17:46
brobostigonBigRedS: so i am on unity-free, and most of the indicators and that stuff wont even loads and or crashes.17:47
AlanBellhttp://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/17:59
popeyblimey, you're quick!17:59
Nafallohmmm. where did the rest of the site go? :-)18:04
popeyinto git :)18:05
liminalhi18:05
liminalI need to view a website as if it was rendered in IE but from within ubuntu18:05
liminalI dont want to use WINE18:05
liminalare there any other options?18:05
BigRedSThere's that site that shows screengrabs of what it'd look like in other browsers18:06
BigRedSbut I can't remember what it's called. Or a virtual machine, but that requires a Windows license18:06
popeybrowsershots.org18:07
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liminalgreat perfect18:11
liminalthanks guys18:11
* jacobw bookmarks browsershots.org18:14
popeyi used to run a server for browsershots18:15
popeybefore it got sold18:15
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=== nik0 is now known as niko
lunchietheres also a plufin for firefox called ie tab18:34
lunchieplugin even oops spelling18:34
penguin42hmm browsershots is having problems resolving the IP of my webserver18:36
BigRedSlunchie: that does require an IE install, though, doesnt it?18:39
jacobwdoes changing your hostname break ubuntu one sync'ing?18:40
lunchienot entirely sure havnt used it in a while, just remebered it when i saw what people were talking about18:40
jacobwit does require an ie installation18:41
gordBigRedS, yeah18:45
gordi never saw the point in it, why not just load up ie18:45
Azelphurali1234: if you play emulators or games on your N900, have you seen this? http://www.game-gripper.com/product_p/401.htm18:46
AzelphurI just bought one for my DZ :D18:46
ali1234nice, but the N900 isn't really any good for emulators18:53
ali1234the combination of X11 and pulseaudio makes it significantly slower than the pandora which uses the same CPU18:53
Azelphurhehe18:54
ali1234even the snes emulator does not run at full speed18:54
Azelphurouch, I could run SNES on my G1 easy18:55
AzelphurMy G2 can do PSX18:55
gorddoesn't the n900 have acceleration drivers for X11?18:55
ali1234yes, it does18:55
ali1234graphics acceleration does not help emulators very much18:55
gordit does when it comes to scaling, which i'm assuming is what your saying is making it slow18:55
ali1234nope18:55
ali1234what is making it slow is no direct pixel access, and no direct sound access18:56
gordyeah, no, X11 isn't that slow, for real18:57
ali1234it is on the N90018:57
gordi can see pulse slowing it down though18:57
gorddoes the N900 have more than a 200mhz cpu?18:57
ali1234because the N900 uses compositing18:57
ali1234so if you emulate a framebuffer, like any emulator does, you have to write pixels into sys memory, then copy that to graphics memory, which renders it, then copy it back into system memory so it goes out the video controller18:58
ali1234the result is that any application that needs pixel access can never get more than about 20-25 FPS18:59
gordyeah i work on a window manager, i know how they work, it still shouldn't be that slow18:59
ali1234maybe you could fix maemo. oh wait, it's all closed source. never mind then19:00
Azelphurali1234: btw, I've got my G2 running at 1.8ghz now :D19:07
DJonesEvening all19:08
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=== SimonMX_ is now known as SimonMX
tatiegot a small porblme here. my digital camera. it used to automount ok but now it doesn't recognise it and it doesn't mount.19:33
tatiehello. anyone knows the solution?19:36
tatienevermind...19:36
Azelphurtatie: could try running tail -f /var/log/messages19:36
Azelphuror just leaving while waiting a total of 2 minutes19:36
Azelphur:P19:36
raluxgazaHey guys what's your favourite music player, I am looking for something like winamp on windws with excellent sound quality19:53
directhexmost players use the same underlying playback libraries19:57
Azelphurraluxgaza: if you like winamp, check out audacious20:01
Azelphurit's very winamp like20:01
raluxgazaAzelphur, thanks just installed it thanks to other recommendations elsewhere and it's sweet20:02
Azelphur:)20:02
nucc1is there a handy way to remove old, no longer needed kernels?20:51
nucc1i seem to have amassed quite a number of them over the years :p20:51
AzelphurIs there anything I can use to capture mic in and speaker out for call recording?20:58
Azelphuranyone? where are all the pulseaudio fanatics :p21:20
Azelphuras to why it needs to be so difficult to record speaker output I have no idea, tried various screencasting tools that are supposed to do it to no avail21:20
popeyAzelphur: "call recording"?21:25
Azelphurpopey: yea, I want to make a call with google voice and record it :P21:25
AzelphurI want to play "Phone the DoS kiddies parents"21:26
popeynever done that21:27
Azelphurcould be hilarious, if not no harm no foul :p21:27
popeyI believe jack is good at routing speaker output to be recorded21:27
Azelphursounds like a nightmare :(21:27
Azelphurmight start up a windows VM to do it21:27
popeyI'd do it in hardware21:29
Azelphurpopey: how so?21:29
popeyi.e. use a real phone and speaker phone21:29
Azelphurcalling USA on a landline >:(21:29
AlanBellis cheaper than you think21:30
AzelphurAlanBell: not when you consider that my parents are bad about calling local mobiles let alone USA :P21:30
AzelphurI could do it from my mobile21:30
Azelphurbut I have a feeling mobile to usa landline would be very expensive21:30
popey\o/ speculation21:31
Azelphurindeed21:31
popeyyou could y'know, look this stuff up21:31
* AlanBell speculates usa rates are lower than landline -> mobile rates21:31
popey+121:31
popeyits cheaper to phone the USA from my mobile than it is from my home phone21:31
Azelphurweird :p21:32
popeyI also wouldn't advocate phoning people who you believe may be DDoSing you21:35
popeydodgy ground legally21:35
Azelphurjust a DoS kiddie I iptabled it in seconds21:35
Azelphurit'll be some kid with a generic server downing tool21:36
Azelphurnot distributed, all from one host21:36
ubuntuuk-planet[admin] Ubuntu UK Podcast Series 4 Episode 1 - http://ubuntu-uk.org/2011/02/19/ubuntu-uk-podcast-series-4-episode-1/21:37
ali1234calling USA costs 70p per minute on t-mobile21:39
ali1234on payg it's 90p per minute21:39
Azelphurouch :P21:41
Azelphur£10+ for a phone call doesn't seem like my cup of tea21:41
Nafallohmm. so when is that podcast hitting the mirrors? ;-)21:41
Azelphurtime to break out the 7 vm I guess21:41
popeyyou're breaking out a windows 7 VM to make a phone call?21:42
popey*boggle*21:42
Azelphurpopey: no other way to record it :/21:42
ali1234you could always just read the pulseaudio docs21:42
popeyno other way _you know of_ to record it21:42
Azelphurali1234: I'd like to get this done today as opposed to tomorrow :P21:42
Azelphurpopey: or anyone else apparently :D21:42
ali1234for maximum amusement call them at like midday here when it is 5am there21:43
Azelphurhaha21:43
ali1234i know for a fact it is possible21:43
Azelphurali1234: first I just want to have a sensible conversation with $parent to see if I can't get $child repremanded21:43
Azelphurif it turns out that $child is actually $adult I'll just give all the information to the /b/ wolves they can have fun with it21:44
ali1234how did you get the number anyway? it could be fake or any number of things21:44
ali1234inb4 not your personal army21:44
Azelphurali1234: DoS attack came from one IP which is a comcast address hosting a small business website21:44
Azelphurali1234: and the same IP was the one playing on the game server giving the threats21:45
Azelphurso it's probably not a proxy (playing FPS games through a proxy would suck), but it may well be21:45
Azelphursmall business website has contact info on it.21:45
ali1234what type of business is it? web design?21:45
Azelphurhttp://RTR-Online.Com21:46
ali1234hmm21:47
Azelphurso I figure give it a call ask a few questions it's either an innocent business that's got a security vuln to be aware of, or it's daddies business, or it's the attackers business21:47
Azelphurwhich ever one it is it should end up bad for the attacker so *shrug*21:47
ali1234seems more like it could be an employee of that business21:50
Azelphurmaybe21:51
ali1234if you get them fired you'll be making a proper enemy21:52
AzelphurI like proper enemies they are fun21:53
=== Revelation is now known as Revalation
* popey cuddles marxjohnson 23:06
marxjohnsonThe page is alright, then? ;)23:07
popeyit's great!23:07
marxjohnsonwhat's the :)23:08
marxjohnsondamn23:08
marxjohnsonswitching channels while typing23:08
marxjohnsonWho's the person who sent us the new design?23:08
popeyI should dig that name out!23:09
popeyits the guy behind kazam23:09
marxjohnsonpopey?23:09
popeyhttps://launchpad.net/~and47123:10
popeyhim23:10
marxjohnsoncool cheers23:10
popeyfeel free to mail him flowers or something :D23:11
marxjohnsonJust want to make sure we give him lots of credit :-)23:11
popeyyes, completely!23:11
popeyglad you mentioned it23:11
popeygonna drop him a quick mail to say we're using bits of it23:11
marxjohnsoncool, can you ask him what name/URL he wants us to put? I'll stick it in the footer and the theme's metadata23:12
popeywilco23:12
n1md4evening.  has anyone here used gfs2 with pacemaker?  (yes, I know I've posted in the 'wrong' channel, but the guys over 'there' aren't as chatty)23:18
=== Azelphur is now known as zz_Azelphur
popeyn1md4: never heard of either, sorry23:35
n1md4popey: thanks anyway :)  Turns out kicking with a quick reboot was enough23:36
n1md4It's to do with cluster failover stuffs23:36
popeysounds fun :D23:36
* popey goes to bed23:36
popey;)23:36
=== zz_Azelphur is now known as Azelphur
dogmatic69lol, installing xp on virtualbox, 'time remaining 25min' but going down 1min ever 10ish seconds :D23:49
n1md4night23:58
HazRPGn1md4: night dude23:58
n1md4heh!  was saying night to popey, but thanks :)23:58
n1md4How you doing?23:58

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