[01:51] <HazRPG> \o morning
[04:48] <MartijnVdS> \o
[04:50]  * ball thinks aboutpie
[05:32] <ball> brb, installing Ubuntu
[06:11] <HazRPG> probably a weird question... but can you install a version of dropbox onto ubuntu serveR?
[06:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: dropbox-client I guess you mean?
[06:11] <HazRPG> yeah
[06:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall :)
[06:11] <HazRPG> because I really really want to remove win2003 from my home server
[06:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: (google: dropbox client command line)
[06:12] <HazRPG> heh thanks
[06:12]  * MartijnVdS is preparing an IKEA shopping list
[06:12] <HazRPG> I was trying "dropbox ubuntu server" and was getting nothing
[06:12] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: :( my nearest idea is 2hr drive away :(
[06:13] <HazRPG> ikea*
[06:13] <HazRPG> when I was in Saudi, all my stuff pretty much came from ikea
[06:13] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I live ~30 minutes from 4 ikeas :)
[06:13] <HazRPG> wow not fair
[06:14] <HazRPG> see, because I live too far away, they won't deliver to my house :(
[06:14] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: living in the middle of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randstad ++
[06:14] <HazRPG> I've been to Utrecht :)
[06:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I live in the middle between Utrecht and Leiden
[06:15] <HazRPG> nice
[06:18] <HazRPG> is it easy to install via LAN?
[06:18] <HazRPG> I know most computers and servers these days have an option at boot that says "click ... to install/boot from LAN"
[06:18] <HazRPG> never tried to do it before, don't even know where to begin
[06:19] <HazRPG> other than google lol
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I've done it :)
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> years ago, so it should be easier now :P
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> You need to set up a DHCP + PXE server in your LAN
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> then have the boot-rom of your to-be-installed machine boot from LAN (PXE)
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> and that's it really
[06:21] <HazRPG> wonder if I can do that via a vm
[06:22] <MartijnVdS> if you put all VMs on a vlan, and don't have a dhcp server on that vlan yet, you can do it
[06:22] <MartijnVdS> (by making another vm the dhcp/pxe server)
[06:22] <MartijnVdS> if there is already a dhcp server, you can have it forward unknown clients to the PXE server
[06:23] <HazRPG> I don't have a dhcp server other than my router really
[06:23] <HazRPG> never saw the need to have an acutal dhcp server
[06:23] <MartijnVdS> that might confuse things
[06:23] <MartijnVdS> unless you put the VMs on a completely separate vlan
[06:23] <MartijnVdS> so you get:
[06:24] <MartijnVdS> (router) -- (vmhost (vlan1 vm1 vm2 vm3))
[06:24] <MartijnVdS> or even
[06:24] <MartijnVdS> (router) -- (vmhost (vlan1 vm1 vm2 vm3) (vlan2 vm3 vm4))
[06:24] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[06:25] <MartijnVdS> vmhost will have to route its internal (vlan) IPs properly in that case
[06:25] <MartijnVdS> it'll teach you a lot about networking (but it's easy to set up)
[06:25] <MartijnVdS> As long as you don't use overlapping network ranges
[06:26] <MartijnVdS> (say your home net is 192.168.0.0/24, use 10.0.0.0/24 (or something) for the vm vlan
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[06:26] <HazRPG> hehe interesting
[06:27]  * MartijnVdS sucked up all this knowledge once.. but now I just write Perl for a living ;)
[06:27] <MartijnVdS> stop making me feel old :P
[06:27] <HazRPG> I'm not :P
[06:27] <HazRPG> I learned networking years ago too, but well we never used VM's
[06:27] <HazRPG> see I'm probably making more work for myself then needed....
[06:28] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: keep doing that.. it's the basis of knowledge and experience :)
[06:28] <HazRPG> I just installed ubuntu server into a vm on my win2003 machine via rdp, and now have ubuntu server setup on it
[06:28] <MartijnVdS> it's why people at work tell me "How and WHY do you know all this?"
[06:28] <HazRPG> haha same :P
[06:29] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I used to be a Debian developer, ~8 years ago :)
[06:29] <HazRPG> see I want to get out of the habit of relying on a mouse and point-click applications for a server
[06:29] <HazRPG> I want to get into the habit that not all servers actually have screens or even rdp (or vnc)
[06:29] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: nice
[06:30] <HazRPG> using ssh, tty, etc
[06:30] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: knowing Debian packaging has helped a lot with the upgrade from FleaBSD -> Debian @ work ;)
[06:30] <HazRPG> I want to get into the habit of using such tools
[06:30] <HazRPG> I can imagine :P
[06:30] <HazRPG> I want to feel like I am actually in control of my server, and not my server controlling me
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the only programs I have running on my desktop are a web browser, banshee and 6 terminals :)
[06:31] <HazRPG> haha
[06:31] <HazRPG> what you got going on in the terminals? I have a feeling iirsi is one of them
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: irssi on my vps (ssh)
[06:32] <MartijnVdS> I've been moving music around, so directory listings in two of them
[06:32] <MartijnVdS> one "idle"
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> oh one isn't a terminal, it's gvim (gvim > vim, because it detects "paste" automatically and has more colours/font options :)
[06:33] <HazRPG> wow, see this is the feeling I hate right now, looking at the ubuntu server terminal... and I feel like it should be doing stuff, but I haven't got a mouse to control
[06:33]  * HazRPG does a ifconfig since its one of few commands I know
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you don't have to do stuff :)
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> The server does stuff.
[06:34] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hehe
[06:34] <HazRPG> hmm, I know wget
[06:34] <HazRPG> and ftp#
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: aptitude
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: do you know vim?
[06:35] <HazRPG> I know nano...
[06:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: time to learn vim then :)
[06:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: install the "vim" package (the basic/mini vim package in the basic install is poo)
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> vimtutor should then give you an overview of the editor :)
[06:36] <HazRPG> hmm, apparently it couldn't lock /var/lib/dpkg
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> (but ignore the "thou shalt use hjkl")
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: are you root?
[06:37] <HazRPG> I logged in as my user...
[06:37] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: sudo aptitude install foobarbaz
[06:37] <HazRPG> oh, I did sudo apt-get install vim
[06:37] <MartijnVdS> apt-get, aptitude.. same thing mostly
[06:38] <HazRPG> still couldn't lock it apparently
[06:38] <HazRPG> hold on
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> is another apt/dpkg running?
[06:38] <HazRPG> it shouldn't be... I only just installed it
[06:39] <HazRPG> is there a way to find out?
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> ps faux | less
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> !pipes
[06:39] <HazRPG> heh I know pipes :P
[06:41] <HazRPG> doesn't appear to be running...
[06:44] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: pastebin the prompt + command + output (of apt) and I'll have a look
[06:45] <HazRPG> I just restarted it
[06:45] <HazRPG> ctrl+alt+del style
[06:46] <HazRPG> woot, its working now :)
[06:46] <HazRPG> okay, so vim is installed now :)
[06:46] <MartijnVdS> vimtutor
[06:48] <HazRPG> wow, text file teacher ^^
[06:57] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: so is this actually better than nano?
[06:57]  * ball uses joe
[06:58] <shauno> nano's nice because it's easy to explain to people who have only ever used notepad.  vim wins in every other respect possible
[06:59] <HazRPG> feels weird using hjkl
[06:59] <HazRPG> wasd or arrow keys would have been more natural ^^
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: like I said, just use arrows :)
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> vim doesn't care
[07:00] <HazRPG> holy cow!
[07:00] <HazRPG> woo!
[07:00] <HazRPG> :P
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> old vims cared
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> sometimes if your terminal is set wrong vim cares
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> but that only happens when I ssh to old freebsd boxes (and it might be a misconfigured vim in that case)
[07:01] <HazRPG> yeah I figured there would be a reason
[07:01] <shauno> hjkl are kinda nice once you get used to them; and start discovering they work in other places :)
[07:02] <HazRPG> I should really brush up on my apache too after this...
[07:02] <HazRPG> I set the win2003 one up years ago and never touched it since
[07:03] <HazRPG> well I add more domains and subdomains to it every now and then, but that's all
[07:10] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: what shall I do after I've finished this tutorial?
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: set it as your default editor, and use it a lot :)
[07:13] <HazRPG> how do I do that?
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> update-alternatives --config editor
[07:14] <HazRPG> vim.tiny or vim.basic?
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> basic
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> tiny is the mini-vim that's installed in the base system (with most optional features turned off)
[07:15] <HazRPG> ah
[07:16] <HazRPG> I still think nano looks better, but I'm sure I'll begin to love vim more once I go through this tutorial :P
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you can customize vim using ~/.vimrc and the ~/.vim directory
[07:17] <MartijnVdS> don't know if the tutorial covers that
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://paste.ubuntu.com/569052/
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: my .vimrc :)
[07:20] <HazRPG> according to ls -a
[07:21] <HazRPG> I don't have .vimrc or .vim
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> you can create one
[07:21] <HazRPG> I have a .viminfo
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> that's the "session" file, where it stores command history etc.
[07:21] <HazRPG> ah
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: check out my vimrc, then inside vim try (for each option):
[07:22] <HazRPG> heh, so can I wget that paste you sent ^^
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> ESC :help optionname
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you could, yes :)
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Also install the vim-addon-manager and vim-scripts packages
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: then you can enable some plugins with vim-addons (lists), vim-addons install foo (guess) and vim-addons remove foo (guess again)
[07:24] <MartijnVdS> (the plugin info is stored in ~/.vim/ so you can run vim-addons as your-user instead of root
[07:24] <HazRPG> cool
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> the gnupg extension is cool, it allows you to edit encrypted files (without the unencrypted version hitting disk)
[07:32] <ball> It's 01:32. I should really go to bed instead of potching with Ubuntu One.
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> ball: your mind still thinks it's 7:35
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://imgur.com/TVmDF.png
[07:37] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: thanks
[07:37] <HazRPG> btw, vim now comes with errors >_<
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: what does it say?
[07:38] <HazRPG> what doesn't it say >_<
[07:38] <HazRPG> downloaded the .vimrc file
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: pastebin the error output :)
[07:38] <HazRPG> all 98 lines of it?
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> sure
[07:38] <HazRPG> >_<
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the last few lines is ok too
[07:40] <HazRPG> hmm, seems you can't type vim > argh.log
[07:40] <HazRPG> must be a way to save the output right?
[07:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you can but it gets messy :)
[07:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: copy/paste from the terminal window!
[07:41] <HazRPG> bit hard to do when I'm using the actual server
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ok, retype the last line then
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> maybe 2
[07:41]  * HazRPG should really remote access this thing...
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> install sshd, done
[07:42] <ball> I'm configuring Ubuntu One for the first time. Should I tick 'Files' in the Services tab of the preferences tool if I want to try sharing a file between two machines?
[07:42] <ball> ...I thought I might get a magical folder appear on the desktop
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> ball: you get a magical folder in ~/Ubuntu\ One
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> ball: as long as "Files" is enabled, I guess
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I'm going afk.. sorry
[07:43] <HazRPG> http://paste.ubuntu.com/569060/
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: try removing the vimrc and then re-adding each line (one at a time) to find the bug
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> ah
[07:44] <HazRPG> also, sshd not found
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> ^M -> Windows line-endings :)
[07:44] <ball> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: apt-get install ssh
[07:44] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: it pops up with an error for all lines, so I'm guessing wget not possible ^^
[07:45] <ball> I'm off to bed for an hour or two
[07:45] <HazRPG> oh see I thought it was just ssh - thought sshd was a new one or something xD
[07:45] <ball> thanks again
[07:45] <HazRPG> ball: night dude :)
[07:45] <HazRPG> snap
[08:16] <AlanBell> morning peeps
[08:23] <shauno> just found a post showing how to get ssh/pam to work with google's "2-part auth" tokens.  Can't quite decide whether this is a good thing or not
[08:25] <AlanBell> shauno: what does that mean?
[08:25] <AlanBell> log on to ubuntu using your google credentials?
[08:26] <shauno> regular user/pass, but with the pin from their software token also
[08:27] <shauno> (specifically adding it to /etc/pam.d/sshd; not suggesting it'd be remotely sensible for local auth)
[08:27] <shauno> http://www.mnxsolutions.com/security/two-factor-ssh-with-google-authenticator.html
[08:31] <HazRPG> AlanBell: morning my good man
[08:32] <HazRPG> shauno: top of the morning to ya
[08:32] <HazRPG> shauno: hmmm... ssh... pam... *gust of wind rushes over my head*
[08:33] <HazRPG> I've currently got a putty window to my vm ubuntu server open... and all I see is "hazrpg@hedgehog:~$" and I'm thinking... "is it doing anything??"
[08:34]  * HazRPG really wishes his knowledge in linux server was much better than knowing nothing
[08:34] <HazRPG> I blame microsoft for this and college
[08:35] <HazRPG> all the college ever taught us was how to setup and manage a windows server :/
[08:36] <HazRPG> ironically, in the last year they said "oh... guess what linux server is much better than windows server" and we all went "then why did we bother getting taught windows server!?" ... seems the reason is because most corps/colleges/uni's use windows server more than linux servers
[08:36] <AlanBell> HazRPG: top
[08:36] <shauno> at that point it's doing exactly the same thing Terminal does in gnome.  It's waiting for you :)
[08:36] <AlanBell> or for more pretties
[08:36] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install htop
[08:36] <AlanBell> htop
[08:37] <AlanBell> press q to get back to the command prompt
[08:37]  * AlanBell waves at czajkowski 
[08:37] <czajkowski> AlanBell: morning
[08:37] <AlanBell> morning
[08:38] <czajkowski> AlanBell: how did you know I was awake
[08:38] <shauno> natty in a vm, I appear to get gnome with a global menubar going.  Is that the fallback if I'm missing accel?
[08:38] <AlanBell> it is farnham beerex ticket day tomorrow
[08:38] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I felt a disturbance in the force
[08:38] <czajkowski> indeed
[08:40] <HazRPG> AlanBell: ooooooo, I really like that!
[08:41]  * HazRPG gives AlanBell >9000 points of awesome
[08:42] <AlanBell> nom http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12505344
[08:43] <HazRPG> AlanBell: heh you use the pidgin plugin too?
[08:43] <AlanBell> no, I use irssi
[08:47] <HazRPG> AlanBell: hmm...
[08:48] <AlanBell> what pidgin plugin did you mean?
[08:49] <HazRPG> "Psychic Mode"
[08:49] <HazRPG> C&P from the plugin info: "Causes conversation windows to appear as other users begin to message you."
[08:50] <HazRPG> and it always shows something similar to "I fell a disturbance in the force"
[08:50] <HazRPG> feel*
[08:51] <HazRPG> AlanBell: htop is sexy :)
[08:52] <HazRPG> wow, apparently there's 10 /usr/sbin/mysqld running, is that normal?
[08:52] <AlanBell> threads
[08:52] <HazRPG> ah, so these aren't individual processes, its just all the threads running
[08:53] <AlanBell> no, I just watched star wars the other day
[08:53] <HazRPG> wow, 74MB used... I think my win2003 server uses a minimum of 300MB... and that's with most services turned off
[08:54] <HazRPG> AlanBell: you know what, I've still not ever watched star wars (yes I know that's bad...)
[08:54] <AlanBell> it is!
[08:54] <HazRPG> I'll get round to it one day :/
[08:55] <HazRPG> it just isn't on the top of my massive to-do list
[08:55]  * HazRPG should really learn where stuff gets stored in linux
[08:56] <AlanBell> there is a factoid for that, which I will now get wrong . . .
[08:56] <AlanBell> !fsh
[08:56] <HazRPG> or rather debian/ubuntu in this case (because if I recall it uses a few different ones)
[08:56] <AlanBell> yup, thought I would get it wrong
[08:56] <HazRPG> :P
[08:56] <AlanBell> !filesystem
[08:57] <daubers> Morning
[08:58] <HazRPG> wow, shocked at how many I actually already knew
[08:58] <AlanBell> fhs is the abbreviation I never get right
[08:58] <HazRPG> FHile System lol
[08:58] <HazRPG> someone clearly extended the F sound in fhs
[08:59] <daubers> Thought it was hfs
[08:59] <HazRPG> see hfs would make more sense
[08:59] <daubers> hierarchical file system
[08:59] <HazRPG> exactly
[08:59] <AlanBell> I was going for file system hierachy
[09:00] <HazRPG> so is it hfs?
[09:00] <AlanBell> files, dirs, file, fhs, filesystem are aliases for that factoid
[09:00] <daubers> No, it is FHS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[09:01] <HazRPG> random
[09:01] <AlanBell> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=filesystem
[09:01] <AlanBell> the brain of the bot ^^
[09:01]  * HazRPG is so glad he knows the man command
[09:01] <daubers> hfs is the osx filesyste
[09:02] <daubers> m
[09:06]  * daubers goes to work
[09:06] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[09:09] <HazRPG> is there a big difference from cron and crond?
[09:13] <shauno> that's an odd one.  sort of, but no. (cron doesn't really exist ;)
[09:13] <HazRPG> oh
[09:14] <shauno> think of it as 'cron' is a task; and 'crond' is the actual daemon that sits in the background fulfilling that task
[09:14] <HazRPG> ah
[09:15] <shauno> like when apache calls itself a httpd.  it's not a http.  apache isn't the protocol.  it's the bit of software responsible for answering that protocol
[09:15] <HazRPG> which would be why it has a d at the end (maybe? d = daemon?)
[09:15] <shauno> bingo
[09:16] <HazRPG> see I remember when apache use to actually be shown as a process in windows as "apache.exe" it really confused me when I saw "httpd" at first
[09:17] <HazRPG> see I've used cronjobs before, but never via from a terminal
[09:17] <HazRPG> always used cpanel or similar
[09:18] <HazRPG> I know what sort of things to type into a cronjob, but where would I store it?
[09:18] <HazRPG> seems like there's a few places from what I can see
[09:18] <HazRPG> /etc/crontab for example
[09:18] <HazRPG> although that's system-wide and probably wouldn't be the best place unless it was doing backups
[09:19] <HazRPG> cd /etc/cron.d
[09:19] <HazRPG> oops, wrong window
[09:19] <shauno> if it's a job that's going to belong to 'you', crontab -e
[09:19] <AlanBell> I would always do crontab -e
[09:20] <AlanBell> or sudo crontab -e if you want root's crontab
[09:20] <shauno> it creates the appropriate file if it doesn't exist, and does some sanity checking
[09:20] <HazRPG> does that just store it in /home/<user>/
[09:21] <AlanBell> in /var/spool/cron/crontabs according to man crontab
[09:22] <HazRPG> heh, yeah I was just looking through that after I typed my question
[09:23] <HazRPG> okay, so by my estimation... /var/spool/cron/crontabs/hazrpg would be created if I made a cronjob
[09:27] <AlanBell> incidentally, if you are looking at man pages, the command line luurve tip on this episode is rather handy :) http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2009/09/17/s02e13-the-tribe-of-gum/
[09:30] <HazRPG> AlanBell: noted
[09:30]  * HazRPG clicks play
[09:31] <HazRPG> been going through the latest season of the podcast recently
[09:31] <HazRPG> really liking it
[09:32] <HazRPG> although people who come into the room when I have it playing go "what the ..."#
[09:32] <HazRPG> man I hope to be as good as you guys one day
[09:35] <HazRPG> hmm, this is interesting... just trying out this "fiery cola" from tescos
[09:35] <HazRPG> "with a hint of chilli"
[09:35] <HazRPG> how odd
[09:43] <HazRPG> AlanBell: ooo apparently there's a bit of PXE in this, interesting was talking MartijnVdS about this earlier :)
[09:44] <HazRPG> interesting; I was*
[10:19] <HazRPG> I need a 3rd monitor for desktop widgets lol
[10:24] <HazRPG> this seems too good to be true: http://webhostingfirm.co.uk/
[10:54] <DJones> Who is it thats growing chilli's http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12505344
[10:59] <HazRPG> DJones: secretly its me
[10:59] <HazRPG> buahahaha
[10:59] <HazRPG> nah, isn't it Nick Woods?
[11:00] <HazRPG> I'm sure it said his name on the site and in the audio interview
[11:00] <DJones> HazRPG: Pretty sure its either AlanBell or theopensourcerer
[11:01] <HazRPG> oh...
[11:01] <HazRPG> heh I thought you meant the guy that the interview was about
[11:01] <DJones> No, not this time, someone here likes growing chilli's
[11:07] <HazRPG> DJones: could be AlanBell since he linked it
[11:52] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer is the chilli fiend, I have grown them a few times but I don't have any on the go at the moment
[12:03]  * daubers needs to set off some chillis soon
[12:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] Cape Town; Talks - http://philbull.livejournal.com/58159.html
[12:29] <Neoti> hi people.... im back on the media center question .... sorry.... i have been using XBMC and love it however would this work with ubuntu 64bit and XBMC IE would it be smooth etc ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkuV6RCPIuM&NR=1
[12:32] <gord_> Neoti, ion chips work fine with ubuntu and xbmc
[12:32] <gord_> i run one myself
[12:32] <gord_> ... tail? again?!
[12:39] <Neoti> cool
[12:39] <Neoti> is it smooth on a ion box tho
[12:39] <Neoti> i dont want video stuttering etc
[12:53] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7snWiHvpwc
[12:56] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone,
[13:03] <nucc1> does rsync automatically follow symlinks?
[13:05] <Neoti> ok im going to buy ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray HD-ID34 and have ubuntu 10.10 and xbmc on there, but in the video it shows using cyberlink, will ubuntu handdle the blueray stuff ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24jEyaGYNzw&feature=related
[13:06] <BigRedS> nucc1: by default, yeah. There's a few options to control how it handles htem
[13:06] <nucc1> cool, thanks, i was just a little confused about what it does with symlinks by default
[13:10] <gord> Neoti, no, blu-ray is heavily drm'ed, only official blu-ray players can play back blu-ray's
[13:16] <brobostigon> weird, i just got lagged off.
[13:16] <dutchie> so did lots of people
[13:16] <brobostigon> ah, i see.
[13:16] <brobostigon> :(
[13:18] <Neoti> gord, so ubuntu can not play bluray etc ?
[13:19] <brobostigon> there might be something inside vlc to do it,
[13:22] <gord> Neoti, not without an official player, you can decrypt some old blu-ray stuff but i wouldn't recommend it, the same is true of any platform though
[13:22] <gord> if you want something to play blu-rays, honestly you need a blu-ray player, a ps3 or something
[13:40] <denny> oog
[13:41] <denny> got a guy in ##linux who has installed activestate perl over his ubuntu perl and made a mess
[13:41] <denny> http://paste.ubuntu.com/569161/
[13:41] <denny> that's the output from trying to apt-get install perl
[13:41] <denny> any idea how to get him back to ubuntu-packaged perl?
[13:53] <raheel> need help to set max pages per JOB while printing to avoid accidental printing of huge amount of pages is it even possible
[14:11] <raheel> hasnt anyone setup a print server before???
[14:18] <ball> AlanBell: Fork liked your chicken video.
[14:18] <AlanBell> :)
[14:19] <AlanBell> I should do more chick flicks I think
[14:20] <popey> :D
[14:20] <nigelb> lol
[14:20] <nigelb> and AlanBell joins the long list of directors who've done chick flicks :p
[14:20] <AlanBell> popey has held a chicken, I just failed to take a photo at the time
[14:21] <popey> :)
[14:21] <popey> next time
[14:21] <popey> I'll bring my HD camcorder :)
[14:21] <AlanBell> beerfest
[14:21] <popey> oooo
[14:22]  * ball <- running Ubuntu 10.10 for a change.
[14:22] <ging> was it a live chickedn or 1 ready to be cooked/eaten?
[14:22] <nigelb> it was with 3 live chicken
[14:22] <AlanBell> quite lively
[14:22] <nigelb> AlanBell: what happened to Hermione?
[14:22] <ball> Hello other alan_
[14:23] <AlanBell> nigelb: a sad ending :(
[14:23] <nigelb> AlanBell: :(
[14:23] <nigelb> oh, Google Doodle for cricket
[14:24] <AlanBell> ging: http://twitpic.com/1qdq0f
[14:24] <ging> AlanBell: basicly you have covered all 3 in that single picture
[14:25] <nigelb> 3?
[14:26] <ging> well there are lives ones and 1 that looks cooked on 1 side and raw on the other side
[14:26] <AlanBell> heh, don't eat that!
[14:26] <AlanBell> it is raw, but marinated on one side with a spicy marinade, the other side is for the kids
[14:27] <ging> the kids do not like flavour?
[14:28] <AlanBell> not if it includes nandos hot sauce
[14:31] <nigelb> heh
[14:41] <brobostigon> i think it might be worth my while to run natty, as debian, does not have an uptodate gnome-shell version, whereas natty has a gnome-shell daily ppa.
[14:45] <brobostigon> that will mean doing the bzr ssh key setup, that i did yesterday, alover again.
[15:00] <domjohnson> Wow.
[15:00] <domjohnson> The new Chrome for Linux ad is really pretty clear
[15:00] <domjohnson> Targets Linux users well
[15:01] <domjohnson> Then again, it probably won't work - it targets the real 'hard core' linux users - developer-ey people, who I would imagine are also the ones more into OSS
[15:01] <domjohnson> *FOSS
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> FLOSS 8-)
[15:03] <gord> i thought chrome was just the google branded version of chromium?
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> it is
[15:10] <Azelphur> hahaha, got my Desire Z to 1.8ghz
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: then it exploded?
[15:12] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: quite possibly, I am noticing that wifi won't work
[15:12] <Azelphur> but I got my 2.7k+ quadrant score :D
[15:13] <gord> does it have to power down after you get past the boot animation because of low battery now?
[15:14] <Azelphur> gord: nope, that's what the 3000mAh extended battery is for
[15:14] <nigelb> domjohnson: linky?
[15:14] <nigelb> gord: lol
[15:15] <gord> sigh, i wish i could get a bigger battery for my netbook, they only make 3 cell ones :(
[15:15] <Azelphur> gord: my phone has a higher clock than my netbook now lol
[15:15] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/February%202011/screenshot.png
[15:16] <gord> my netbook is honestly, just a phone with a keyboard/big display
[15:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:16] <gord> i think 1.6 ghz? dual core arm
[15:16] <nigelb> gord: so your netbook can make cals?
[15:16] <nigelb> *calls
[15:17] <gord> nigelb, maybe, does have a 3g bit, but the stock android didn't have call support
[15:17] <gord> the insides are honestly just a cellphone and empty space
[15:17] <nigelb> oh, didn't know that.
[15:18] <gord> http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2010/09/inside-ac100-550x412.jpg the insides
[15:18] <gord> tis arm, they don't even know how to make things not small ;)
[15:18] <Azelphur> haha
[15:18] <domjohnson> nigelb - I can't find a link to the advert - you'll probably come across it at some time soon, though, if you're ofteno n Google AdSense sites
[15:19] <gord> if they were smart they would of just filled all that empty space with battery, shame really
[15:19] <nigelb> heh
[15:19] <nigelb> gord: I'm guessing most of your work involving ssh-ing to servers, etc?
[15:20] <gord> when you work on a window manager, yes, ssh'ing in is rather useful as if you try and gdb compiz from inside a compiz controlled display, things get messy ;)
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> gord: also, screen :)
[15:27] <nigelb> heh
[16:29] <duncan_> duncan
[16:29] <duncan_> hello all
[16:30] <BigRedS> hello
[16:32] <duncan_> Hi I seem to have stumbled in here   Whilst trying to configure my  Web cam :(
[16:32] <BigRedS> duncan_: I might not be much use, but on the offchance I am (or someone else reads this :) ), what're you trying, what happens, and what do you expect to happen?
[16:34] <duncan_> Not sure realy   bought the thing to skype with on the windoze  but it seems to have a conflic with the Monitor...  Thought I might try it on the linux but cant seem to find a suitable driver  for it ..
[16:35] <AlanBell> what model is it?
[16:37] <duncan_> SPC230NC  it did work but then the monitor stopped displaying.  The monitor is fine as iḿ using it now
[16:37] <duncan_> Sorry thats a Philips
[16:37] <AlanBell> duncan_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1009490
[16:38]  * AlanBell pops out to the shops o/
[16:43] <duncan_> Thanks Alan
[17:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> RMS is on tour in the UK in March: http://www.theiet.org/local/emea/europe/richard-stallman.cfm
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> Close all doors & windows
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> stay inside
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> etc.?
[17:08] <gord> when you say it like that, it just sounds like he is in a band ;)
[17:09] <gord> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJJzqSFfXs this band comes to mind, i would imagine him as grandpa dizzy there
[17:09] <popey> we requested an interview with RMS
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> gord: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
[17:10] <popey> he said yes under certain conditions
[17:10] <popey> 1) We refer to GNU/Linux, not Linux.
[17:10] <popey> 2) We refer to Free Software, not Open Source
[17:10] <popey> 3) He be allowed to criticise Ubuntu
[17:10] <popey> 4) We release the show in Ogg format only.
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> ...
[17:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - At least he sticks to his principles I guess.
[17:11]  * AlanBell suggested a solution to #4
[17:11] <grogoreo> hi
[17:12] <popey> :)
[17:13] <gord> AlanBell, out of interest, what was the solution?
[17:14] <AlanBell> come round and pose the same interview questions to my chickens for the MP3 version
[17:14] <grogoreo> I'm trying to rip a CD with Sound Juicer/Rhythmbox. MP3 isn't working (the bitrate doesn't keep to what I set) so am using AAC which works fine but is missing tags for the artist and track though they come up in the file and folder names. Any ideas how I can change this?
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> grogoreo: the bitrate is variable, with the set value as an average
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> grogoreo: this means it can take a few more bits for "hard" parts, and can skip a few on "easy" parts
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> giving better quality for the same file size
[17:17] <Myrtti> fortunately I have a brilliant excuse not to go listen RMS in Cambridge
[17:17] <Myrtti> I was getting worried I'd be forced to go
[17:20] <grogoreo> MartijnVdS, but I've set the quality to a high number and even on a long song much alot going on the file size seems low. Also here said there is a problem with gstreamer and lame https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> grogoreo: rip to flac, rhythmbox understands it, and will auto-convert to a format your mp3 player understands :)
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> also, it's lossless
[17:22] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: I thought we were moving away from Rhythmbox as the default? :-)
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: banshee does the same thing
[17:22] <grogoreo> hmm, that's going to take awhile. I've got a lot of CDs to rip.
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> also banshee is buggy
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> grogoreo: I have 400, did it in a weekend :)
[17:22] <grogoreo> you're just showing off!
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> no really
[17:23] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: is it? I've been using it for quite some months with less issues than with rhythmbox now :-)
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: it doesn't stop at the end of an album for me
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: it keeps looping
[17:24] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: hmm. I don't use it that way, but have you tried turning off repeat? :-)
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: repeat is off :)
[17:24] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: how sure are you about that? ;-)
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> very
[17:25] <Nafallo> checked the source code and verified the button is actually supposed to do something? ;-)
[17:41]  * brobostigon returns
[17:42]  * BigRedS linefeeds
[17:42]  * brobostigon struggles with natty.
[17:43] <BigRedS> I gave up on natty a couple of weeks a go. I just can't get used to unity
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: you can get the old desktop by choosing it from the login screen
[17:45] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ah, the whole point of trying natty was to see if I liked unity :) It's only a VM
[17:45] <brobostigon> BigRedS: the whole ofgnome, including unity, seems to be taking every opportunity to freeze, die and or more, atevery evailable opportunity.
[17:46] <BigRedS> brobostigon: yeah, it's stories like that which are putting me off sticking it on real hardware
[17:47] <brobostigon> BigRedS: so i am on unity-free, and most of the indicators and that stuff wont even loads and or crashes.
[17:59] <AlanBell> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
[17:59] <popey> blimey, you're quick!
[18:04] <Nafallo> hmmm. where did the rest of the site go? :-)
[18:05] <popey> into git :)
[18:05] <liminal> hi
[18:05] <liminal> I need to view a website as if it was rendered in IE but from within ubuntu
[18:05] <liminal> I dont want to use WINE
[18:05] <liminal> are there any other options?
[18:06] <BigRedS> There's that site that shows screengrabs of what it'd look like in other browsers
[18:06] <BigRedS> but I can't remember what it's called. Or a virtual machine, but that requires a Windows license
[18:07] <popey> browsershots.org
[18:11] <liminal> great perfect
[18:11] <liminal> thanks guys
[18:14]  * jacobw bookmarks browsershots.org
[18:15] <popey> i used to run a server for browsershots
[18:15] <popey> before it got sold
[18:34] <lunchie> theres also a plufin for firefox called ie tab
[18:34] <lunchie> plugin even oops spelling
[18:36] <penguin42> hmm browsershots is having problems resolving the IP of my webserver
[18:39] <BigRedS> lunchie: that does require an IE install, though, doesnt it?
[18:40] <jacobw> does changing your hostname break ubuntu one sync'ing?
[18:40] <lunchie> not entirely sure havnt used it in a while, just remebered it when i saw what people were talking about
[18:41] <jacobw> it does require an ie installation
[18:45] <gord> BigRedS, yeah
[18:45] <gord> i never saw the point in it, why not just load up ie
[18:46] <Azelphur> ali1234: if you play emulators or games on your N900, have you seen this? http://www.game-gripper.com/product_p/401.htm
[18:46] <Azelphur> I just bought one for my DZ :D
[18:53] <ali1234> nice, but the N900 isn't really any good for emulators
[18:53] <ali1234> the combination of X11 and pulseaudio makes it significantly slower than the pandora which uses the same CPU
[18:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:54] <ali1234> even the snes emulator does not run at full speed
[18:55] <Azelphur> ouch, I could run SNES on my G1 easy
[18:55] <Azelphur> My G2 can do PSX
[18:55] <gord> doesn't the n900 have acceleration drivers for X11?
[18:55] <ali1234> yes, it does
[18:55] <ali1234> graphics acceleration does not help emulators very much
[18:55] <gord> it does when it comes to scaling, which i'm assuming is what your saying is making it slow
[18:55] <ali1234> nope
[18:56] <ali1234> what is making it slow is no direct pixel access, and no direct sound access
[18:57] <gord> yeah, no, X11 isn't that slow, for real
[18:57] <ali1234> it is on the N900
[18:57] <gord> i can see pulse slowing it down though
[18:57] <gord> does the N900 have more than a 200mhz cpu?
[18:57] <ali1234> because the N900 uses compositing
[18:58] <ali1234> so if you emulate a framebuffer, like any emulator does, you have to write pixels into sys memory, then copy that to graphics memory, which renders it, then copy it back into system memory so it goes out the video controller
[18:59] <ali1234> the result is that any application that needs pixel access can never get more than about 20-25 FPS
[18:59] <gord> yeah i work on a window manager, i know how they work, it still shouldn't be that slow
[19:00] <ali1234> maybe you could fix maemo. oh wait, it's all closed source. never mind then
[19:07] <Azelphur> ali1234: btw, I've got my G2 running at 1.8ghz now :D
[19:08] <DJones> Evening all
[19:33] <tatie> got a small porblme here. my digital camera. it used to automount ok but now it doesn't recognise it and it doesn't mount.
[19:36] <tatie> hello. anyone knows the solution?
[19:36] <tatie> nevermind...
[19:36] <Azelphur> tatie: could try running tail -f /var/log/messages
[19:36] <Azelphur> or just leaving while waiting a total of 2 minutes
[19:36] <Azelphur> :P
[19:53] <raluxgaza> Hey guys what's your favourite music player, I am looking for something like winamp on windws with excellent sound quality
[19:57] <directhex> most players use the same underlying playback libraries
[20:01] <Azelphur> raluxgaza: if you like winamp, check out audacious
[20:01] <Azelphur> it's very winamp like
[20:02] <raluxgaza> Azelphur, thanks just installed it thanks to other recommendations elsewhere and it's sweet
[20:02] <Azelphur> :)
[20:51] <nucc1> is there a handy way to remove old, no longer needed kernels?
[20:51] <nucc1> i seem to have amassed quite a number of them over the years :p
[20:58] <Azelphur> Is there anything I can use to capture mic in and speaker out for call recording?
[21:20] <Azelphur> anyone? where are all the pulseaudio fanatics :p
[21:20] <Azelphur> as to why it needs to be so difficult to record speaker output I have no idea, tried various screencasting tools that are supposed to do it to no avail
[21:25] <popey> Azelphur: "call recording"?
[21:25] <Azelphur> popey: yea, I want to make a call with google voice and record it :P
[21:26] <Azelphur> I want to play "Phone the DoS kiddies parents"
[21:27] <popey> never done that
[21:27] <Azelphur> could be hilarious, if not no harm no foul :p
[21:27] <popey> I believe jack is good at routing speaker output to be recorded
[21:27] <Azelphur> sounds like a nightmare :(
[21:27] <Azelphur> might start up a windows VM to do it
[21:29] <popey> I'd do it in hardware
[21:29] <Azelphur> popey: how so?
[21:29] <popey> i.e. use a real phone and speaker phone
[21:29] <Azelphur> calling USA on a landline >:(
[21:30] <AlanBell> is cheaper than you think
[21:30] <Azelphur> AlanBell: not when you consider that my parents are bad about calling local mobiles let alone USA :P
[21:30] <Azelphur> I could do it from my mobile
[21:30] <Azelphur> but I have a feeling mobile to usa landline would be very expensive
[21:31] <popey> \o/ speculation
[21:31] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:31] <popey> you could y'know, look this stuff up
[21:31]  * AlanBell speculates usa rates are lower than landline -> mobile rates
[21:31] <popey> +1
[21:31] <popey> its cheaper to phone the USA from my mobile than it is from my home phone
[21:32] <Azelphur> weird :p
[21:35] <popey> I also wouldn't advocate phoning people who you believe may be DDoSing you
[21:35] <popey> dodgy ground legally
[21:35] <Azelphur> just a DoS kiddie I iptabled it in seconds
[21:36] <Azelphur> it'll be some kid with a generic server downing tool
[21:36] <Azelphur> not distributed, all from one host
[21:37] <ubuntuuk-planet> [admin] Ubuntu UK Podcast Series 4 Episode 1 - http://ubuntu-uk.org/2011/02/19/ubuntu-uk-podcast-series-4-episode-1/
[21:39] <ali1234> calling USA costs 70p per minute on t-mobile
[21:39] <ali1234> on payg it's 90p per minute
[21:41] <Azelphur> ouch :P
[21:41] <Azelphur> £10+ for a phone call doesn't seem like my cup of tea
[21:41] <Nafallo> hmm. so when is that podcast hitting the mirrors? ;-)
[21:41] <Azelphur> time to break out the 7 vm I guess
[21:42] <popey> you're breaking out a windows 7 VM to make a phone call?
[21:42] <popey> *boggle*
[21:42] <Azelphur> popey: no other way to record it :/
[21:42] <ali1234> you could always just read the pulseaudio docs
[21:42] <popey> no other way _you know of_ to record it
[21:42] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'd like to get this done today as opposed to tomorrow :P
[21:42] <Azelphur> popey: or anyone else apparently :D
[21:43] <ali1234> for maximum amusement call them at like midday here when it is 5am there
[21:43] <Azelphur> haha
[21:43] <ali1234> i know for a fact it is possible
[21:43] <Azelphur> ali1234: first I just want to have a sensible conversation with $parent to see if I can't get $child repremanded
[21:44] <Azelphur> if it turns out that $child is actually $adult I'll just give all the information to the /b/ wolves they can have fun with it
[21:44] <ali1234> how did you get the number anyway? it could be fake or any number of things
[21:44] <ali1234> inb4 not your personal army
[21:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: DoS attack came from one IP which is a comcast address hosting a small business website
[21:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: and the same IP was the one playing on the game server giving the threats
[21:45] <Azelphur> so it's probably not a proxy (playing FPS games through a proxy would suck), but it may well be
[21:45] <Azelphur> small business website has contact info on it.
[21:45] <ali1234> what type of business is it? web design?
[21:46] <Azelphur> http://RTR-Online.Com
[21:47] <ali1234> hmm
[21:47] <Azelphur> so I figure give it a call ask a few questions it's either an innocent business that's got a security vuln to be aware of, or it's daddies business, or it's the attackers business
[21:47] <Azelphur> which ever one it is it should end up bad for the attacker so *shrug*
[21:50] <ali1234> seems more like it could be an employee of that business
[21:51] <Azelphur> maybe
[21:52] <ali1234> if you get them fired you'll be making a proper enemy
[21:53] <Azelphur> I like proper enemies they are fun
[23:06]  * popey cuddles marxjohnson 
[23:07] <marxjohnson> The page is alright, then? ;)
[23:07] <popey> it's great!
[23:08] <marxjohnson> what's the :)
[23:08] <marxjohnson> damn
[23:08] <marxjohnson> switching channels while typing
[23:08] <marxjohnson> Who's the person who sent us the new design?
[23:09] <popey> I should dig that name out!
[23:09] <popey> its the guy behind kazam
[23:09] <marxjohnson> popey?
[23:10] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~and471
[23:10] <popey> him
[23:10] <marxjohnson> cool cheers
[23:11] <popey> feel free to mail him flowers or something :D
[23:11] <marxjohnson> Just want to make sure we give him lots of credit :-)
[23:11] <popey> yes, completely!
[23:11] <popey> glad you mentioned it
[23:11] <popey> gonna drop him a quick mail to say we're using bits of it
[23:12] <marxjohnson> cool, can you ask him what name/URL he wants us to put? I'll stick it in the footer and the theme's metadata
[23:12] <popey> wilco
[23:18] <n1md4> evening.  has anyone here used gfs2 with pacemaker?  (yes, I know I've posted in the 'wrong' channel, but the guys over 'there' aren't as chatty)
[23:35] <popey> n1md4: never heard of either, sorry
[23:36] <n1md4> popey: thanks anyway :)  Turns out kicking with a quick reboot was enough
[23:36] <n1md4> It's to do with cluster failover stuffs
[23:36] <popey> sounds fun :D
[23:36]  * popey goes to bed
[23:36] <popey> ;)
[23:49] <dogmatic69> lol, installing xp on virtualbox, 'time remaining 25min' but going down 1min ever 10ish seconds :D
[23:58] <n1md4> night
[23:58] <HazRPG> n1md4: night dude
[23:58] <n1md4> heh!  was saying night to popey, but thanks :)
[23:58] <n1md4> How you doing?