[04:46] <nlsthzn> Morning all :)
[04:46] <bmg505> good morning
[04:46] <bmg505> back from midweek break
[04:47] <nlsthzn> cool :)
[06:05] <Symmetria> *sigh*
[06:05] <Symmetria> I so dont wanna fly this afternoon
[06:05] <nlsthzn> Symmetria: where too?
[06:05] <Symmetria> hong kong
[06:06] <Symmetria> flying to hong kong this afternoon, spend a week there, get back on sunday, then 2 weeks later back to europe 
[06:07] <Symmetria> then shortly after that gotta be in tanzania for 3 days and then a few after that back to europe and then to mexico, this year is gonna be harsh
[06:07] <nlsthzn> world travler :)
[06:07] <Symmetria> heh been travelling like this for the last 6 years, but this year is gonna be particularly busy
[06:08] <Symmetria> travelling used to be fun :P now its just a ballache
[06:09] <nlsthzn> can't say I care much for airports :/ worst part of flying
[06:09] <Symmetria> heh airports arent bad providing you have the lounge access 
[06:10] <Symmetria> airports without the lounge access make me wanna shoot myself in the head
[06:11] <bmg505> I'd rather take a 4pound hammer to my own tools than fly
[06:11] <Symmetria> lol, never work for tenet then
[06:12] <bmg505> I used to fly like hell in the 90's that cured me for life from flying
[06:12]  * nlsthzn likes flying, then again I don't get the oppertunity that often :)
[06:12] <Symmetria> all of us fly a fair bit, not nearly as much as the ceo and I in most cases, but there is a fair amount of it 
[06:12] <Symmetria> heh nlsthzn like I said, flying is... glamarous at first, but when you're spending a few hundred hours a year in planes, they become like, long, boring, uncomfortable buses
[06:13] <bmg505> OR tambo ground staff greeted me by name, and the question after good morning was, were to this morning?
[06:13] <nlsthzn> I can believe you... like the difference beween a hobby and a job :)
[06:14] <bmg505> uncomfortable buses is a very very accurate description
[06:14] <Symmetria> lol bmg, I've gotten to know most of the crews on the jhb -> cpt legs 
[06:14] <bmg505> a friend of mine called it a cattle truck
[06:15] <Symmetria> LOL the 6am flight to joburg is the true cattle run
[06:15] <bmg505> inm the 90's there was basically 2 crews that worked that route, flew it at least once a week
[06:16] <bmg505> or the late night limited services flights
[06:16] <bmg505> strongest you can get is double disprin and water
[06:16] <Symmetria> heh, the flight to hong kong is one of my least favorite flights 
[06:16] <Symmetria> the only flight really worse than it is a flight to the US
[06:17] <Symmetria> because both are insanely long flights
[06:17] <Symmetria> tonights flight = 14 hours + 2 hours to get to joburg 
[06:17] <bmg505> yea bad, I used to enjoy flying forward, but losing time always killed my bio-clock
[06:18] <bmg505> so flying east was ok, but going west is a killer for me
[06:18] <nlsthzn> my only fligth currently is UAE to SA and back... only two hours difference and only 8 hours flight so not to bad:)
[06:18] <bmg505> and flying north with layovers in brussels or dubai
[06:19] <bmg505> that flight is 9 hours too long :)
[06:19] <Symmetria> heh the flight through to washington is a killer
[06:23] <Symmetria> fuck I almost forgot to clear my credit cards for this trip, stupid banks will lock em if I dont
[06:33] <Symmetria> heh
[06:34] <Symmetria> <3 nedbank private bank
[06:34] <Symmetria> heh, private banker always answers her phone, always does what I need instantly, and never gives me any shit, and I never have to go near a branch
[07:37] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:37]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:37] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos
[07:37] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[07:37] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[07:37] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[07:37] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[07:38] <Kilos> Maaz, and sugar
[07:38] <Maaz> Do something yourself Kilos
[07:38] <Kilos> howdy every one awake
[07:39] <nlsthzn> brb, gotto relocate the PC...
[07:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:43] <Kilos> Maaz,  ty
[07:43] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[08:10] <Symmetria> HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Man.... the department of homeland security in the US
[08:10] <Symmetria> "accidently" siezed 84 THOUSAND domains 
[08:10] <Symmetria> and redirected them to a page that said the domains were taken down pending investigations for child porn
[08:10] <Symmetria> they sites had nothing child pornish about them, most of them were small businessses and personal websites
[10:05] <Cantide> 안녕~
[10:06] <nlsthzn> Hi Cantide
[10:06] <Cantide> hi
[10:07] <nlsthzn> whats up with the korean?
[10:07] <Cantide> sorry¸trying to get this input method working
[10:07] <nlsthzn> :)
[10:07] <Cantide> just installed 10·10
[10:09] <Cantide> heh, it's tricky... SCIM was better... easier :|
[10:11] <Cantide> aha, making progress
[10:11] <Cantide> does anyone know how i can import my old Thunderbird emails successfully?
[10:11] <Cantide> I tried to copy the files, but it failed :|
[10:23] <nlsthzn> Cantide: don't know Thunderbird but I suspect you should have exported it first so you can now import them :/
[10:24] <Cantide> :<
[10:24] <superfly> Cantide: just copy the whole .mozilla or .thunderbird directory
[10:24] <Cantide> i don't think there was an export option
[10:24] <Cantide> superfly, i tried that, it didn't work
[10:24] <superfly> I did it the other day, worked perfectly
[10:24] <superfly> so yeah, if that doesn't work, I'm afraid I don't know
[10:24] <Cantide> i read a few 'tutorials' online before i installed the new Ubuntu, they all said to just copy the files :|
[10:24] <superfly> ask Google
[10:25] <Cantide> i asked, it tells me the same thing lol
[10:25] <superfly> heh
[10:25] <Cantide> i think it might be because the version i had before was 2.x and the one i have now is 3.x
[10:25] <Cantide> so there must be some difference regarding the storage of the files :|
[10:26] <Cantide> anyway, gotta go shopping :| thanks for the help though
[10:26] <Cantide> i'll just idle here until i get back
[10:26] <Cantide> *AFK*
[11:33] <Cantide> wb nlsthzn
[11:33] <Cantide> :p
[11:36] <nlsthzn> Cantide: thanks... just upgraded my lappies ram to 2gb and installled a new keyboard :) nice to have it running at full power now :)
[11:37] <Cantide> cool :D
[11:37] <Cantide> new keyboard? as in USB keyboard, or the laptop's built in keyboard?
[11:37] <Cantide> built-in *
[11:38] <kbmonkey> 'day all
[11:39] <Cantide> hey kbmonkey
[11:40] <nlsthzn> Cantide: built in keyboard...
[11:40] <Cantide> was it difficult?
[11:40] <Cantide> seems like a mission to me... but i guess i've never done it
[11:41] <nlsthzn> got a manual from the net and once I figured out the bloody zif xocket it was a breeze :)
[11:42] <kbmonkey> more ram is always good :)
[11:43] <nlsthzn> Thing is, I never used the 1GB that was installed fully to be honest... so I don't know if I will really see such a big improvement
[11:43] <Cantide> :P
[11:43] <Cantide> still, rather too much than too little
[11:43] <nlsthzn> overkill is underrated
[11:44] <Cantide> i'm almost ready to give up on my mail and cut it as a loss lol
[11:44] <Cantide> which hex editors are good for Ubuntu ?
[11:44]  * nlsthzn has no knowledge of the arcane arts
[11:44] <kbmonkey> ram is good for when you run many VM's and such :)
[11:45] <kbmonkey> I like octeta hex editor
[11:45] <kbmonkey> *okteta
[11:45] <kbmonkey> its kde based though
[11:45] <nlsthzn> true... I refrained from virtualbox due to the one gig problem... now I can mini distro hop :D
[11:46] <Cantide> hmm
[11:46] <Cantide> maybe i'll settle for gHex then :|
[11:53] <Cantide> i might just try to rip the headers from a Thunderbird 3.x mail file and superimpose it on my 2.x mail files
[11:55] <kbmonkey> or try hexer, its a vi-like hex editor :)
[11:58] <drubin> nlsthzn: where is your irc bouncer located? never seen an ip starting with a single digit :)
[11:58] <nlsthzn> drubin: english please :p
[11:59] <drubin> nlsthzn: what country is your quassel hosted in
[12:00] <nlsthzn> drubin: I have no idea... afaik I am just connecting to irc.freenode.com... I am in the UAE... is there a command or something I can use to give you more info?
[12:00] <nlsthzn> freenode.net
[12:00] <drubin> nlsthzn: Nah don't worry :) 
[12:01] <Cantide> TOR works pretty well as a proxy .-.
[12:01] <Cantide> but sloooow for anything that's bandwidth intensive :|
[12:01] <nlsthzn> I am not running any proxies currently...
[12:08] <kbmonkey> my IP was banned from freenode last week, policy against running tor relays :p
[12:11] <Cantide> hehe
[18:01] <Kilos> evening all
[18:01] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:01]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[18:02] <nlsthzn> Go BULLE!
[18:02] <nlsthzn> erm... hi all :p
[18:02] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[18:02] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[18:02] <Maaz> Sure thing Kilos... Hey guy's!!  Bring your mugs. I am tired of doing all the dishes on my own.
[18:02] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> well ty you and you
[18:05] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[18:05] <Maaz> There is a packet of Ouma's  on the top shelf
[18:05] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:05] <confluency> "guy's"?!
[18:06] <confluency> Guy's what?
[18:06] <Kilos> hehe hiya confluency 
[18:06] <Kilos> guys is all peeps in the area
[18:07] <nlsthzn> me ok... listening to the rugby.. video streaming over net sucks :(
[18:07] <confluency> I was making fun of the spelling. :P
[18:07]  * nlsthzn spies grammar nazi :p
[18:09] <Cantide> live score over supersport.co.za sucks :(
[18:09] <nlsthzn> stream radio...
[18:11] <Kilos> aw is guys spelt wrong
[18:12] <Kilos> nlsthzn, did you watch the sharks and cheetahs
[18:12] <nlsthzn> well... listened to the radio and watched a slide show :p
[18:13] <Kilos> ah
[18:13] <nlsthzn> most of it anycase
[18:14] <Cantide> Can Jantjies kick?
[18:14] <Kilos> ?
[18:14] <Cantide> he seems to have missed his kicks in this game...
[18:15] <Kilos> can anyone tell me why sudo apt-get update and then upgrade doesnt upgrade everything
[18:15] <Kilos> if you go to synaptic afterwards there is lots that still needs updating
[18:16] <nlsthzn> it should update all... 
[18:17] <nlsthzn> I sometimes do aptitude after apt-get to make sure :D
[18:17] <linuxboy> Kilos: upgrade will upgrade packages that don't pull in new packages
[18:18] <Kilos> i had windows closing on their own yesterday and spent the day in synaptic reinstalling all gnome and audacious and some more and now all is good here
[18:18] <linuxboy> Kilos: ie, linux-kernel may depend on 'linux-kernel-2.6.24', after an upgrade it needs 'linux-kernel-2.6.25'. An 'apt-get upgrade' won't pull that new package in, and won't upgrade teh first package because of that
[18:18] <linuxboy> Kilos: apt-get dist-upgrade will however pull that new package in for you
[18:19] <Kilos> ah ty very much
[18:22] <Kilos> there are also lots of lib files that arent complete
[18:24] <Kilos> is there perhaps a command that will update everything?
[18:24] <linuxboy> apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:25] <Kilos> i mean even of the apps installed as well
[18:26] <Kilos> i copied /var/cache/apt/archives then did the update upgrade
[18:26] <linuxboy> it will upgrade any package that you have where there is a newer version, including teh packages that depends on a new package that isn't installed
[18:26] <Kilos> thanks linuxboy that will save me hours next time
[18:26] <linuxboy> also, why are you copying /var/cache/apt/archives?
[18:27] <Kilos> i saved it on an external  and then did a clean install
[18:27] <linuxboy> oh
[18:27] <Kilos> all about saving data
[18:27] <linuxboy> you shouldn't do that
[18:27] <Kilos> oh
[18:27] <linuxboy> you should backup /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:28] <linuxboy> oh wait
[18:28] <linuxboy> sorry
[18:28] <linuxboy> thats fine
[18:28] <Kilos> hehe whats fine?
[18:28] <linuxboy> backing up /var/cache/apt/archives if you want to save bandwidth
[18:30] <Kilos> so its sudo backup /var/cache/apt/archives /media/backup
[18:30] <linuxboy> there is no command called backup
[18:30] <linuxboy> also, why are you bothering? to save bandwidth?
[18:30] <Kilos> i have the external split in backup and storage
[18:30] <Kilos> yip bandwidth kills me
[18:30] <linuxboy> get uncapped
[18:31] <Kilos> cant
[18:31] <linuxboy> why?
[18:31] <Kilos> i live by sister
[18:31] <Kilos> and they dont wanna pay a big fone bill
[18:31] <linuxboy> oh, you're on 3G?
[18:31] <Kilos> they have a kinda pay as you go account
[18:31] <Kilos> yip
[18:32] <linuxboy> spend that money on an adsl line :P
[18:33] <Kilos> just the fone account is a few hundred a month
[18:33] <Kilos> then still adsl
[18:33] <linuxboy> how much do you pay on 3G/
[18:33] <Kilos> at times i use less than 500m data a month
[18:34] <linuxboy> for about R600 I'm sure you can get uncapped
[18:34] <Kilos> i rely on family to give what and when they can
[18:34] <Cantide> i'm using the Cell C data sim
[18:34] <linuxboy> ah
[18:35] <Kilos> 600m airtime is R189
[18:35] <Cantide> works out cheap per gb ( not cheaper than ADSL, but I don't have a land line )
[18:35] <Kilos> hehe at times i only have pidgin open
[18:36] <Kilos> and better times pidgin and xchat
[18:36] <Cantide> i'm the same, but i'm using more this month -.-v
[18:36] <Kilos> anyway we do what we can
[18:37] <Cantide> yeah
[18:37] <Kilos> i just use lots when i gotta do a clean install
[18:37] <Cantide> same, i did a clean install on Friday
[18:37] <Kilos> hehe
[18:37] <Kilos> i had no choice
[18:37] <Cantide> and i decided not to try and install my old debs, because there's no point in installing a new OS, but using old apps :|
[18:38] <Kilos> got a bug that killed mbr on 2 drives
[18:38] <Cantide> :o
[18:38] <Cantide> that's nasty
[18:38] <Kilos> took weeks to fix it
[18:38] <Kilos> 80g drive would only take xp at times
[18:39] <Kilos> refused all ubuntu releases
[18:39] <Kilos> but now i got ubuntu only from a zeroed drive
[18:39] <Kilos> so no winsucks anywhere
[18:40] <Cantide> nice... i was too chicken to take the plunge
[18:40] <Kilos> hehe
[18:40] <Cantide> so i'm dual booting again, but win 7 and 10.10 this time
[18:40] <Cantide> as opposed to XP and 9.10 that i had before :p
[18:40] <Kilos> i havent use ms for a year but tried everything to fix the mbr
[18:40] <Cantide> which version of Ubuntu do you have?
[18:41] <Kilos> i am using karmic now . i had 10.10 but thats when i crashed and was scared to try it again  as the drive only took 9.10
[18:42] <Cantide> :o
[18:42] <Cantide> don't say things like that :D
[18:42] <Kilos> maybe there a prob with my 10.10 cd
[18:42] <Cantide> i've only been using 10.10 for a day lol
[18:42] <Kilos> have ordered another
[18:42] <Kilos> maverick is great
[18:42] <Kilos> i loved it
[18:42] <Cantide> how long did you use it before it crashed?
[18:43] <Kilos> until 2 weeks ago
[18:43] <Cantide> Lions have almost caught up to the bulls :o
[18:43] <Kilos> from 2 weeks after it was released i think
[18:43] <Kilos> or 3
[18:43] <Cantide> oh, quite long '<
[18:43] <Kilos> yeah its great
[18:44] <Kilos> i like everything on the left
[18:44] <Kilos> took some getting used to
[18:44] <Kilos> then had to learn again after going back to karmic
[18:44] <Cantide> everything on the left?
[18:44] <Kilos> the close down x
[18:45] <Kilos> etc
[18:45] <Cantide> aha
[18:45] <Kilos> hehe
[18:45] <Cantide> that was only in one theme, i've already changed it :p
[18:45] <Kilos> i got used to it like that and enjoyed it
[18:47] <Cantide> :)
[18:47] <Cantide> i guess i never gave it a chance
[18:48] <Kilos> yeah it takes a while but if you dual booting windows it will mess with your head
[18:50] <Cantide> i barely ever use Windows...
[18:51] <Cantide> maybe once a week to play a game or something
[18:51] <Kilos> you will find you need to install aptitude and gdebi and gedit separately i think
[18:51] <Kilos> they arent part of the install as they were before
[18:52] <Cantide> gedit is here
[18:52] <Cantide> i use it a lot for php, so i made sure of that :D
[18:53] <Kilos> lol
[18:53] <Kilos> also it wants to install everything from software centre
[18:54] <Cantide> I want the Lions to win for a change, but it'll mess with my superbru predictions :-S
[18:54] <Kilos> hehe
[18:54] <Cantide> yeah, i used to software center a lot today and it worked well for me
[18:54] <Kilos> time is gone
[18:54] <Cantide> oh
[18:54] <Kilos> 15 secs
[18:54] <Cantide> the 'live' score is clearly not live
[18:54] <Cantide> what's the score?
[18:54] <Kilos> they lost
[18:54] <Cantide> 20 - 24 ?
[18:55] <Kilos> 20/24
[18:55] <Cantide> ah well, decent prediction then :D
[18:55] <Kilos> game over
[18:55] <Cantide> but that's impressive for the Lions
[18:55] <Cantide> especially the 2nd half
[18:55] <Kilos> yes they tried hard second half
[18:55] <Cantide> there is hope for them yet :)
[18:57] <Kilos> i prefer gdebi to software centre
[18:58] <Kilos> but thats me
[18:58] <Kilos> and synaptic of course
[18:58] <Cantide> i usually use the terminal to install stuff... not sure wht
[18:58] <Cantide> why *
[18:58] <Kilos> ah
[18:58] <Cantide> but lately i've been using software centre
[18:59] <Kilos> i been doing that lots lately too
[18:59] <Cantide> grr, software center * :@
[18:59] <Kilos> n9o its too slow and you dont see whats happening
[19:00] <Cantide> what, software center?
[19:00] <Kilos> yeah
[19:00] <Cantide> true, but it is simplier
[19:00] <Kilos> hehe
[19:00] <Cantide> sometimes the terminal drives me crazy - if i'm lacking dependencies
[19:00] <Cantide> and then i don't know the package names etc.
[19:01] <Kilos> thats why i like synaptic and gdebi
[19:01] <Cantide> i'd still prefer to download a deb of each application, and store it somewhere, but they're always being updated :|
[19:01] <Kilos> in synaptic it sorts all dependancies for you
[19:02] <Kilos> they are all in /var/cache/apt/archives
[19:03] <Cantide> aha
[19:03] <Cantide> hence your backing up of that folder
[19:03] <Kilos> yip
[19:03] <Kilos> inetpro taught me that
[19:03] <Kilos> save like 300m data on a clean install  of an old release
[19:06] <Cantide> '<
[19:06] <Cantide> sleep time :|
[19:06] <Cantide> good night -.-
[19:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:29] <Kilos> see ya morrow time