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nmarquesjcastro, ping19:42
nmarquesguys a quick question20:05
nmarquesis the artwork (mainly wallpaper) on Ubuntu contributed by the community or it's something by Canonical?20:06
vishnmarques: canonical20:21
vishnmarques: the default one is done by the design team, the extras are from community20:22
nmarquesvish, how would I contact the design team ? :)20:23
vishnmarques: since i'm not sure what you are looking for, i dont know :)20:24
vishas in whom to direct you to..20:24
nmarquesvish, I'm implementing some of your software for openSUSE, and I was working on a small package with alternative wallpapers (distro agnostic), I wonder since this to be used with some of your software (namely indicators and at a later stage, Unity), if you guys wouldn't be interested in providing the 'default' wallpaper for this20:26
* vish does not work for Canonical.. but will take that "your" as an Ubuntu member ;)20:27
nmarquesvish, with 'your' I mean mainly the software from the Ayatana Project ;)20:28
nmarquesvish, in the scope of everyone who made it possible, Ubuntu, Community, Canonical, enthusiasts, etc... the life force behind it ;)20:28
vishyup, i got that part.. :)  but wanted to let you know i'm non-canonical20:29
vishnmarques: "provide" as in make a separate wallpaper for OpenSUSE?20:30
nmarquesvish, not for openSUSE, I would love it more in a 'distro agnostic' context...20:30
nmarquesvish, though I'm doing this for openSUSE, at any time I can enable cross distro builds for other distro's ;)20:31
vishnmarques: hmm, are you saying that you wish for the default wallpaper for Ubuntu to be distro-agnostic?20:31
nmarquesvish, nah, let me rephrase ;)20:31
nmarquesvish, I have several pieces of ayatana software, indicators (in the future Unity), and as I understand, this is a Desktop experience20:32
vishyup..20:32
nmarquesvish, it wouldn't be very ethical to distribute your artwork, specially not a wallpaper which is much like a distro calling card ;)20:32
nmarquesvish, I've asked several people if they wanted to donate a wallpaper (despite of distribution affiliation)20:33
nmarquesvish, I'm going to package 5/7 wallpapers from several sources and distribute them on that repo20:33
nmarquesvish, I haven't asked no one from Ubuntu, and since this is a Ubuntu Desktop Experience project, it would be interesting to have a different wallpaper which translates the essence of the original project to distribute as default20:34
nmarquesvish, if someone wants to donate such a wallpaper, I would love to distribute as default20:34
nmarquesvish, giving the proper credits and honoring the licenses ;)20:34
nmarquesvish, when I say distro agnostic, this means that it shouldn't be branded as Ubuntu or openSUSE or whatever20:35
vishnmarques: right, so this is for a ppa-kinda thing, but targeted for OpenSUSE to use Unity stuff?20:35
nmarquesvish, yes, that's one way of seeing things ;)20:35
nmarquesvish, except that I can enable build for other distros as well (Fedora, CentOS, RHEL, Mandriva, etc) ;)20:35
vishah!20:36
nmarquesvish, and there's a huge possibility that will happen in a medium future ;)20:36
vishnmarques: well, i *highly* doubt that anyone from Canonical design team would 'work' on that, but you could try requesting someone from Ubuntu artwork team to look into it..20:37
nmarquesvish, that's why I asked it if it was made by the community or canonical ;)20:38
vish;)20:38
nmarquesI would like to keep this as much as possible within 'community' boundaries20:39
vishnmarques: how many people are working on this repo of yours?20:39
nmarquesvish, indirectly, some, namely openSUSE GNOME team20:39
nmarquesvish, directly, package wise, just me ;)20:40
vishcool..20:40
nmarquesvish, though everything is being reviewed by Vincent Untz from GNOME/openSUSE and the more experient people20:40
vishnmarques: IMO, you are better off searching for CC artwork you like and contacting the artist and finalizing it20:40
vishnmarques: ^it will take you much shorter time ;)20:40
nmarquesvish, very few artists so far understand a couple of things I value20:42
nmarquesvish, this can pure coincidence, but one the things I love is present on the default wallpaper of Ubuntu20:43
nmarquesvish, being it: it has no recognized shapes... so our sub-conscient doesn't waste time and resources trying to identify shapes and other tiny things20:43
nmarquesvish, humans have no conscience on this, but it happens, that's one of the reasons why many wallpaper become 'tiring' after some time looking at them ;)20:44
nmarquesvish, I never managed to pass this message to a artists for example...20:44
nmarquesvish, and very few people are aware of things like that ;)20:44
vishnmarques: right, so you have found a few you like, i would suggest you try to work with them..  if you are requesting for community to do a new wallpaper, then you would have to set a target date, your project must attract the right artist, the artists who's work you value20:45
vishand there is always the chance the right tone is not delivered in the submissions..20:46
vishnmarques: that is a big wait.. and not all design contests attract the right artists the concerned folks are looking for20:47
vishnmarques: if you already like some work, try contacting them, that is a much quicker process.. and more easier to produce a result20:48
nmarquesvish, yeap, I'll see how to handle this... to be honest, design and artwork are fields I don't really understand... I'm just a consumer for most cases ;)20:49
vish;)20:49
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multiplatinumfix instant messaging in 11.04 ok, pidgin and empathy are a freaking joke21:57
multiplatinumhello?22:01
tarethmultiplatinum, what's wrong with them?22:02
multiplatinumempathy crashes randomly22:02
multiplatinumand pidgin can't do voice and video for xmpp22:02
kklimondawell, natty is still alpha, so crashing applications are not really something unheard of.22:04
tarethmultiplatinum, well, the best course of action would be to file bug reports against them on launchpad. you can also join #pidgin on this server for any issues related to pidgin, and #empathy on gimpnet22:04
multiplatinumim on maverick22:05
multiplatinumtried that22:05
multiplatinumthey dont listen22:05
kklimondaif you want to report crashes the only right way to do that is to enable apport, and upload crash report to LP.22:05
MindWarperi thought this to be a dead channel ....22:59
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