[19:42] <nmarques> jcastro, ping
[20:05] <nmarques> guys a quick question
[20:06] <nmarques> is the artwork (mainly wallpaper) on Ubuntu contributed by the community or it's something by Canonical?
[20:21] <vish> nmarques: canonical
[20:22] <vish> nmarques: the default one is done by the design team, the extras are from community
[20:23] <nmarques> vish, how would I contact the design team ? :)
[20:24] <vish> nmarques: since i'm not sure what you are looking for, i dont know :)
[20:24] <vish> as in whom to direct you to..
[20:26] <nmarques> vish, I'm implementing some of your software for openSUSE, and I was working on a small package with alternative wallpapers (distro agnostic), I wonder since this to be used with some of your software (namely indicators and at a later stage, Unity), if you guys wouldn't be interested in providing the 'default' wallpaper for this
[20:27]  * vish does not work for Canonical.. but will take that "your" as an Ubuntu member ;)
[20:28] <nmarques> vish, with 'your' I mean mainly the software from the Ayatana Project ;)
[20:28] <nmarques> vish, in the scope of everyone who made it possible, Ubuntu, Community, Canonical, enthusiasts, etc... the life force behind it ;)
[20:29] <vish> yup, i got that part.. :)  but wanted to let you know i'm non-canonical
[20:30] <vish> nmarques: "provide" as in make a separate wallpaper for OpenSUSE?
[20:30] <nmarques> vish, not for openSUSE, I would love it more in a 'distro agnostic' context...
[20:31] <nmarques> vish, though I'm doing this for openSUSE, at any time I can enable cross distro builds for other distro's ;)
[20:31] <vish> nmarques: hmm, are you saying that you wish for the default wallpaper for Ubuntu to be distro-agnostic?
[20:31] <nmarques> vish, nah, let me rephrase ;)
[20:32] <nmarques> vish, I have several pieces of ayatana software, indicators (in the future Unity), and as I understand, this is a Desktop experience
[20:32] <vish> yup..
[20:32] <nmarques> vish, it wouldn't be very ethical to distribute your artwork, specially not a wallpaper which is much like a distro calling card ;)
[20:33] <nmarques> vish, I've asked several people if they wanted to donate a wallpaper (despite of distribution affiliation)
[20:33] <nmarques> vish, I'm going to package 5/7 wallpapers from several sources and distribute them on that repo
[20:34] <nmarques> vish, I haven't asked no one from Ubuntu, and since this is a Ubuntu Desktop Experience project, it would be interesting to have a different wallpaper which translates the essence of the original project to distribute as default
[20:34] <nmarques> vish, if someone wants to donate such a wallpaper, I would love to distribute as default
[20:34] <nmarques> vish, giving the proper credits and honoring the licenses ;)
[20:35] <nmarques> vish, when I say distro agnostic, this means that it shouldn't be branded as Ubuntu or openSUSE or whatever
[20:35] <vish> nmarques: right, so this is for a ppa-kinda thing, but targeted for OpenSUSE to use Unity stuff?
[20:35] <nmarques> vish, yes, that's one way of seeing things ;)
[20:35] <nmarques> vish, except that I can enable build for other distros as well (Fedora, CentOS, RHEL, Mandriva, etc) ;)
[20:36] <vish> ah!
[20:36] <nmarques> vish, and there's a huge possibility that will happen in a medium future ;)
[20:37] <vish> nmarques: well, i *highly* doubt that anyone from Canonical design team would 'work' on that, but you could try requesting someone from Ubuntu artwork team to look into it..
[20:38] <nmarques> vish, that's why I asked it if it was made by the community or canonical ;)
[20:38] <vish> ;)
[20:39] <nmarques> I would like to keep this as much as possible within 'community' boundaries
[20:39] <vish> nmarques: how many people are working on this repo of yours?
[20:39] <nmarques> vish, indirectly, some, namely openSUSE GNOME team
[20:40] <nmarques> vish, directly, package wise, just me ;)
[20:40] <vish> cool..
[20:40] <nmarques> vish, though everything is being reviewed by Vincent Untz from GNOME/openSUSE and the more experient people
[20:40] <vish> nmarques: IMO, you are better off searching for CC artwork you like and contacting the artist and finalizing it
[20:40] <vish> nmarques: ^it will take you much shorter time ;)
[20:42] <nmarques> vish, very few artists so far understand a couple of things I value
[20:43] <nmarques> vish, this can pure coincidence, but one the things I love is present on the default wallpaper of Ubuntu
[20:43] <nmarques> vish, being it: it has no recognized shapes... so our sub-conscient doesn't waste time and resources trying to identify shapes and other tiny things
[20:44] <nmarques> vish, humans have no conscience on this, but it happens, that's one of the reasons why many wallpaper become 'tiring' after some time looking at them ;)
[20:44] <nmarques> vish, I never managed to pass this message to a artists for example...
[20:44] <nmarques> vish, and very few people are aware of things like that ;)
[20:45] <vish> nmarques: right, so you have found a few you like, i would suggest you try to work with them..  if you are requesting for community to do a new wallpaper, then you would have to set a target date, your project must attract the right artist, the artists who's work you value
[20:46] <vish> and there is always the chance the right tone is not delivered in the submissions..
[20:47] <vish> nmarques: that is a big wait.. and not all design contests attract the right artists the concerned folks are looking for
[20:48] <vish> nmarques: if you already like some work, try contacting them, that is a much quicker process.. and more easier to produce a result
[20:49] <nmarques> vish, yeap, I'll see how to handle this... to be honest, design and artwork are fields I don't really understand... I'm just a consumer for most cases ;)
[20:49] <vish> ;)
[21:57] <multiplatinum> fix instant messaging in 11.04 ok, pidgin and empathy are a freaking joke
[22:01] <multiplatinum> hello?
[22:02] <tareth> multiplatinum, what's wrong with them?
[22:02] <multiplatinum> empathy crashes randomly
[22:02] <multiplatinum> and pidgin can't do voice and video for xmpp
[22:04] <kklimonda> well, natty is still alpha, so crashing applications are not really something unheard of.
[22:04] <tareth> multiplatinum, well, the best course of action would be to file bug reports against them on launchpad. you can also join #pidgin on this server for any issues related to pidgin, and #empathy on gimpnet
[22:05] <multiplatinum> im on maverick
[22:05] <multiplatinum> tried that
[22:05] <multiplatinum> they dont listen
[22:05] <kklimonda> if you want to report crashes the only right way to do that is to enable apport, and upload crash report to LP.
[22:59] <MindWarper> i thought this to be a dead channel ....