=== _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === nijabo is now known as Hible === Hible is now known as nijabo [19:42] jcastro, ping [20:05] guys a quick question [20:06] is the artwork (mainly wallpaper) on Ubuntu contributed by the community or it's something by Canonical? [20:21] nmarques: canonical [20:22] nmarques: the default one is done by the design team, the extras are from community [20:23] vish, how would I contact the design team ? :) [20:24] nmarques: since i'm not sure what you are looking for, i dont know :) [20:24] as in whom to direct you to.. [20:26] vish, I'm implementing some of your software for openSUSE, and I was working on a small package with alternative wallpapers (distro agnostic), I wonder since this to be used with some of your software (namely indicators and at a later stage, Unity), if you guys wouldn't be interested in providing the 'default' wallpaper for this [20:27] * vish does not work for Canonical.. but will take that "your" as an Ubuntu member ;) [20:28] vish, with 'your' I mean mainly the software from the Ayatana Project ;) [20:28] vish, in the scope of everyone who made it possible, Ubuntu, Community, Canonical, enthusiasts, etc... the life force behind it ;) [20:29] yup, i got that part.. :) but wanted to let you know i'm non-canonical [20:30] nmarques: "provide" as in make a separate wallpaper for OpenSUSE? [20:30] vish, not for openSUSE, I would love it more in a 'distro agnostic' context... [20:31] vish, though I'm doing this for openSUSE, at any time I can enable cross distro builds for other distro's ;) [20:31] nmarques: hmm, are you saying that you wish for the default wallpaper for Ubuntu to be distro-agnostic? [20:31] vish, nah, let me rephrase ;) [20:32] vish, I have several pieces of ayatana software, indicators (in the future Unity), and as I understand, this is a Desktop experience [20:32] yup.. [20:32] vish, it wouldn't be very ethical to distribute your artwork, specially not a wallpaper which is much like a distro calling card ;) [20:33] vish, I've asked several people if they wanted to donate a wallpaper (despite of distribution affiliation) [20:33] vish, I'm going to package 5/7 wallpapers from several sources and distribute them on that repo [20:34] vish, I haven't asked no one from Ubuntu, and since this is a Ubuntu Desktop Experience project, it would be interesting to have a different wallpaper which translates the essence of the original project to distribute as default [20:34] vish, if someone wants to donate such a wallpaper, I would love to distribute as default [20:34] vish, giving the proper credits and honoring the licenses ;) [20:35] vish, when I say distro agnostic, this means that it shouldn't be branded as Ubuntu or openSUSE or whatever [20:35] nmarques: right, so this is for a ppa-kinda thing, but targeted for OpenSUSE to use Unity stuff? [20:35] vish, yes, that's one way of seeing things ;) [20:35] vish, except that I can enable build for other distros as well (Fedora, CentOS, RHEL, Mandriva, etc) ;) [20:36] ah! [20:36] vish, and there's a huge possibility that will happen in a medium future ;) [20:37] nmarques: well, i *highly* doubt that anyone from Canonical design team would 'work' on that, but you could try requesting someone from Ubuntu artwork team to look into it.. [20:38] vish, that's why I asked it if it was made by the community or canonical ;) [20:38] ;) [20:39] I would like to keep this as much as possible within 'community' boundaries [20:39] nmarques: how many people are working on this repo of yours? [20:39] vish, indirectly, some, namely openSUSE GNOME team [20:40] vish, directly, package wise, just me ;) [20:40] cool.. [20:40] vish, though everything is being reviewed by Vincent Untz from GNOME/openSUSE and the more experient people [20:40] nmarques: IMO, you are better off searching for CC artwork you like and contacting the artist and finalizing it [20:40] nmarques: ^it will take you much shorter time ;) [20:42] vish, very few artists so far understand a couple of things I value [20:43] vish, this can pure coincidence, but one the things I love is present on the default wallpaper of Ubuntu [20:43] vish, being it: it has no recognized shapes... so our sub-conscient doesn't waste time and resources trying to identify shapes and other tiny things [20:44] vish, humans have no conscience on this, but it happens, that's one of the reasons why many wallpaper become 'tiring' after some time looking at them ;) [20:44] vish, I never managed to pass this message to a artists for example... [20:44] vish, and very few people are aware of things like that ;) [20:45] nmarques: right, so you have found a few you like, i would suggest you try to work with them.. if you are requesting for community to do a new wallpaper, then you would have to set a target date, your project must attract the right artist, the artists who's work you value [20:46] and there is always the chance the right tone is not delivered in the submissions.. [20:47] nmarques: that is a big wait.. and not all design contests attract the right artists the concerned folks are looking for [20:48] nmarques: if you already like some work, try contacting them, that is a much quicker process.. and more easier to produce a result [20:49] vish, yeap, I'll see how to handle this... to be honest, design and artwork are fields I don't really understand... I'm just a consumer for most cases ;) [20:49] ;) === ogra is now known as Guest96219 === Guest96219 is now known as ogra_ [21:57] fix instant messaging in 11.04 ok, pidgin and empathy are a freaking joke [22:01] hello? [22:02] multiplatinum, what's wrong with them? [22:02] empathy crashes randomly [22:02] and pidgin can't do voice and video for xmpp [22:04] well, natty is still alpha, so crashing applications are not really something unheard of. [22:04] multiplatinum, well, the best course of action would be to file bug reports against them on launchpad. you can also join #pidgin on this server for any issues related to pidgin, and #empathy on gimpnet [22:05] im on maverick [22:05] tried that [22:05] they dont listen [22:05] if you want to report crashes the only right way to do that is to enable apport, and upload crash report to LP. [22:59] i thought this to be a dead channel .... === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley